View Full Version : bridgestone re001 vs toyo t1r
hooyn
22-10-2008, 05:37 PM
im looking to get some new tyres asap. i currently got toyo transpath ones and i must say they are quite bad in wet conditions.
looking for an upgrade to something good and heard good reviews about the potenza adrenaline and t1r. this is mainly for daily driving with a track day or two thrown in there.
so.. my question is what are your opinions on the two tyres if or if not you have had experience with both of them.
the lowest quote i got from brisbane so far after calling around 10 different places was 367 for the potenza's and 240 for t1r's. are the re001's really worth that much over the t1r's ?
thanks in advance
rk 86 wa
22-10-2008, 06:09 PM
i use re001 on my fd and ive taken it to tracks/skid pan events and they work ver well. what size are you going for? just for a comparison if you are looking at similar tire sizes i paid 265 per corner fit/bal for 225 45 r17.
in terms of grip, (i had the toyo transpaths as previous tires aswell funnily enough) there is a huge difference. re001 is quite good in the wet aswell,
having said that i read a few t1r vs re001 arguments on google and they seem to be pretty similar and just down to personal preference.
anyways you wont go wrong with either
good luck with your choice :)
I would go for the Toyo T1R because of the price difference.
henrygiang
22-10-2008, 06:22 PM
I would go for the Toyo T1R because of the price difference.
+1
i have t1r atm and they are great....both in the wet and dry.....dont think the difference in price is worth it.....i got my t1r (215/40/16) from a trader here for 150 per corner :D including delivery.
rk 86 wa
22-10-2008, 06:32 PM
damn you guys with 15/16inch rims :P i cant believe re001 was so cheap for 195 55 r15 or what ever it was
lols
SHW.70Y
22-10-2008, 06:47 PM
damn you guys with 15/16inch rims :P i cant believe re001 was so cheap for 195 55 r15 or what ever it was
lols
got my re001s for 130 fitted .
size 195/50/r15
my opinion- love em to death , grip above average in the dry feel similar to my mickey thompson drag radials, yet to test in the wet.
dsp26
22-10-2008, 06:48 PM
um.. after driving on Proxes4/T1r/RE001 my vote goes to RE001 for wet... i can't really tell much difference in dry conditions but cornering in the wet re001 wins for me.
"price difference" is a gay excuse... i still don't understand why car 'enthusiasts' skimp out on quality tyres...
andiiso
22-10-2008, 07:00 PM
i dun like re001 lol, just personal preference i rather T1R (driven on friends car) re001 doesnt give me a responsive steering and seems like i roll more .. im on stock suspension stuff so yer
way i compared them was just takin the same corner (that i noe well) as fast as i can without it starting to slide or me lose confidence and i cant take those corners nearly as fast as i used to with old PP2's and then i tried on the lil islands not speeding just takin the corner same way as i used to and re001 doesnt have the instant response and i roll more when i turn left then suddenly right (thru those lil islands) .. last test was on straight road in damp wet conditions just accel off line normally and then hit vtec : with PP2's just grips n keeps goin like normal, re001 wheelspin as soon as i hit vtec .. T1R feel awesome in my friends car feels same as my old pp2's
um.. after driving on Proxes4/T1r/RE001 my vote goes to RE001 for wet... i can't really tell much difference in dry conditions but cornering in the wet re001 wins for me.
"price difference" is a gay excuse... i still don't understand why car 'enthusiasts' skimp out on quality tyres...
I totally agree, I dont know why 'car enthusiasts' get upgraded brakes, light weight wheels etc and then skimp out on tyres when its pretty much in contact with the road most of the time.
I personally would go get the RE001, over the T1R as I've tested both in various sizes and find the RE001 more grippier.
d15z1SUX
22-10-2008, 07:04 PM
i have t1r. they grip really well in wet and dry compared to my previous tyres which were regal rd3100. but thats not really a good comparison. tried a friends car with re001, actually its rk 86 wa's car. grip levels seem similar. hard to tell apart because different civic chasis and suspension mods.
hooyn
22-10-2008, 07:21 PM
hmm.. thanks well from the feedback i got here and reading up on other forums the two seem to be pretty on par with eachother. ill give the t1r's a go first and then the re001s next time.
thanks for the prompt feedback everyone.
aaronng
22-10-2008, 07:43 PM
hmm.. thanks well from the feedback i got here and reading up on other forums the two seem to be pretty on par with eachother. ill give the t1r's a go first and then the re001s next time.
thanks for the prompt feedback everyone.
:thumbsup: That was what I would have done too.
andiiso
22-10-2008, 07:47 PM
my next set will be T1Rs let me noe wat u think of them .. =]
Lukey
22-10-2008, 10:34 PM
havent been on re001s but t1rs are nice and quiet.
d15z1SUX
22-10-2008, 10:35 PM
i wanna get toyo r1r's next lol...
bennjamin
22-10-2008, 10:36 PM
RE001 wins hands down.
henrygiang
22-10-2008, 10:55 PM
um.. after driving on Proxes4/T1r/RE001 my vote goes to RE001 for wet... i can't really tell much difference in dry conditions but cornering in the wet re001 wins for me.
"price difference" is a gay excuse... i still don't understand why car 'enthusiasts' skimp out on quality tyres...
but they are both quality tyres so either way, its a win win.......fair enough if it was say nankang but these are both on par with each other....but thats just my opinion
Sp00ny
23-10-2008, 12:58 AM
RE001 wins hands down.
Based on which tests or opinions?
Just asking as I would like to know about to purchase a set of 205/45/16 RE001's soon. I rank steering response and road feel/feedback high ;).
ONE GREAT FEATURE of the RE001's is their shoulder pattern/angle and design...it compensates for negative camber and reduces wear ;)
If you can afford it drop the RE001's/T1R's and go with the Yoko S-Drives... ;) Stiff Sidewall, very responsive and good grip expessially when you consider their excellent wear rating.
EGJOE
23-10-2008, 05:19 AM
ado7 vs reoo1 ?
Limbo
23-10-2008, 10:00 AM
i was of the opinion the T1rs were better from what i have seen from a mate's car.
I have the RE001, but that was only cos i was able to get them cheaper.
Don't get me wrong its still a great tyre. I'd like to try the same profile with the T1rs to compare also.
From what alot of feedback from people i know the T1rs is only just ahead, but not as good in wet. Again the margins are so slight.
If you can get the T1rs that cheap i'd go for them
> ado7 vs reoo1
AD-07 are comparable to Bridgestone RE-01R which is one step higher on the BS range. That and almost a $100-200 more, per tyre.
UTQG (very rough tyre wear guide): T1-R 280, RE001 200, RE-01R 140.
nick.
vteccoupe
23-10-2008, 12:01 PM
ado7 vs reoo1 ?
having used both before, i wld recommend re001 to daily drive and ad07 for track day without going to semis.
re001-good on dry, awesome in wet
ad07 - grips like mad in dry, hard to make it lose grip / wet - dnt even try if u wanna die early
string
23-10-2008, 01:39 PM
> ado7 vs reoo1
AD-07 are comparable to Bridgestone RE-01R which is one step higher on the BS range. That and almost a $100-200 more, per tyre.
UTQG (very rough tyre wear guide): T1-R 280, RE001 200, RE-01R 140.
nick.
The 15" RE-01R has a treadwear of 180.
Limbo
23-10-2008, 02:09 PM
hmm my re001 are only ok in wet. Maybe i shouldn't push it too hard?
In dry i only get wheel spin in 1st & 2nd but only little bits in the vtec area.
In wet is seems to loose it if i put my foot over 1/2 throttle
Sp00ny
23-10-2008, 02:56 PM
> ado7 vs reoo1
AD-07 are comparable to Bridgestone RE-01R which is one step higher on the BS range. That and almost a $100-200 more, per tyre.
UTQG (very rough tyre wear guide): T1-R 280, RE001 200, RE-01R 140.
nick.
Treadwear for the RE001's is 220. Well in my old mans 215/40/17 profile they are...
I still dont understand how the T1R's could be better in the dry just based on the treadwear alone...much softer compound....
EGJOE
23-10-2008, 07:58 PM
cheers guys
Mr_will
23-10-2008, 08:07 PM
i have had both t1r's and re001s. i prefer the re001's.
bennjamin
23-10-2008, 08:10 PM
Based on which tests or opinions?
sorry , i forgot to say IMO.
Had both and driven hard n soft on both and RE001 is better in every way IMO
rk 86 wa
23-10-2008, 09:30 PM
^ also with the adrenaline series you can pretend to be seriously awesome and get some white out and colour in "bridgestone/potenza/adrenaline/re001" white. im tempted to do it in pink on my tires for a laugh
Limbo
23-10-2008, 09:53 PM
ahh well i might go get some more ;)
d15z1SUX
23-10-2008, 10:00 PM
people paint it themselves? lol
AE092
23-10-2008, 10:07 PM
RE001's at the moment (2nd set)
Very good tyre for the price they are going for and it's good in the wet. Can't say about T1Rs but would like to try
Sp00ny
23-10-2008, 10:38 PM
sorry , i forgot to say IMO.
Had both and driven hard n soft on both and RE001 is better in every way IMO
Wasn't having a go at you... I'm actually interested in your opinion and which aspects you believe they outperform... when purchasing tyres worth near or over $800 Just want to make sure im getting the best possible tyre ;).
I rate Sidewall Stiffness/Steering Response and dry grip highly.
Wet grip doesn't worry me...Just go slower...I'm used to driving on silverstones which probebly have a real tread wear rating of 800...lol very hard compound; completely and utterly useless in the wet.
"UTQG (very rough tyre wear guide)"
'rough' being the key word.
> I still dont understand how the T1R's could be better in the dry just based on the treadwear alone...much softer compound
err, I didn't say they were better.
UTQG = 100 is the standard.
UTQG = 300 means the tyre will last three times longer on a standard test run in the US.
UTQG = 200 means the tyre will last two times longer on a standard test run in the US.
UTQG = 140 means the tyre will last 40% longer ......
UTQG = 50 means the tyre will only last half the distance of the standard tyre.
Assuming there's a reasonable inverse correlation between tyre wear and grip, we can use the UTQG number as a guide to grip/wear.
Higher being longer lasting.
Lower being sportier tyres.
I'm not going to propose this is the be all of tyre ratings, however, I've yet to see anything better.
Nick.
Limbo
24-10-2008, 09:41 AM
good info there + rep
"UTQG (very rough tyre wear guide)"
'rough' being the key word.
> I still dont understand how the T1R's could be better in the dry just based on the treadwear alone...much softer compound
err, I didn't say they were better.
UTQG = 100 is the standard.
UTQG = 300 means the tyre will last three times longer on a standard test run in the US.
UTQG = 200 means the tyre will last two times longer on a standard test run in the US.
UTQG = 140 means the tyre will last 40% longer ......
UTQG = 50 means the tyre will only last half the distance of the standard tyre.
Assuming there's a reasonable inverse correlation between tyre wear and grip, we can use the UTQG number as a guide to grip/wear.
Higher being longer lasting.
Lower being sportier tyres.
I'm not going to propose this is the be all of tyre ratings, however, I've yet to see anything better.
Nick.
well the tread wear rating on the RE01R and AD07 have same specs, but the RE01R shits all over the AD07 LOL
as for the RE001. its got very low tread wear rating. taken from tirerack.com, it something along hte lines of 340AA
anyone know what the tread rating is for a T1R tyre ?
i'd prefer the re001, over the t1r.. less road noise would be the 2nd noticeable difference over the obvious traction point.
Limbo
24-10-2008, 10:25 AM
zco is there really that much?
When i drove my friend's car (he did have 16s vs my 15s) i thought the t1r was better.
I've got the re001 currently and they are quite good.
maybe cos the car is setup differently and there is now more power i don't notice the difference
> [RE-001] it something along the lines of 340AA
my bad. I thought RE-001's where lower than that.
Nick.
rk 86 wa
24-10-2008, 03:38 PM
re001 has a tread wear rating of 220 as stated on my tires lol
unless this is a diff tyre ? LOL
same pattern ? its labelled as a diff model, but i just figured it was overseas model LOL
http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires/bridgestone/bs_potenza_re760_spt_ci2_l.jpg
3rd last tyre on this page, listed as the RE760
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Compare1.jsp?width=205%2F&ratio=45&diameter=16&startIndex=0&search=true&pagelen=20&pagenum=1&pagemark=1&x=72&y=12&RunFlat=All (http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Compare1.jsp?width=205%2F&ratio=45&diameter=16&startIndex=0&search=true&pagelen=20&pagenum=1&pagemark=1&x=72&y=12&RunFlat=All)
my apologies if its incorrect.
limbo: yepp.. the turn in is better and i find that it feels more stable turning at higher speeds. but this is all MY opinion lol not facts !
d15z1SUX
24-10-2008, 07:54 PM
t1r is 280 treadwear and AA traction.
hooyn
24-10-2008, 09:48 PM
lol well i didnt end up getting either. my front tyres still had reasonable tread on them so i just swapped them to the back and got 2 new ones for the front. still the toyo transpath ones -_-
> AA traction.
the traction figure is a wet road traction rating.
Nick.
d15z1SUX
24-10-2008, 11:47 PM
yeh i think the rating is quite vague too... i have these bct tyres on my work car and they are rated A. they dont grip in the wet lol... its just massive wheelspin and understeer if you try to accelerate a bit.
SXC-84K
25-10-2008, 12:10 PM
ive got re001s on my lude, at 1st i found them great compared to my old budget tyres. however after driving around with them for the past 4-5 months, i find that they aint really as great as every1 say they are. in the dry i still understeer when i push it a bit, i also wheelspin a bit in 2nd gear and in the wet their great until u take a corner with medium throttle.
however they are great for the price. i paid $119 each for 15s
Sp00ny
25-10-2008, 09:01 PM
ive got re001s on my lude, at 1st i found them great compared to my old budget tyres. however after driving around with them for the past 4-5 months, i find that they aint really as great as every1 say they are. in the dry i still understeer when i push it a bit, i also wheelspin a bit in 2nd gear and in the wet their great until u take a corner with medium throttle.
however they are great for the price. i paid $119 each for 15s
Is your car's suspension stock? As tyres won't change body roll/cornering balance (noticably). Steering response a little bit...but alot of the handling is also reliant on your suspension/chassis.
Don't forget after tyres wear in (as you noticed), the grip levels change...when they're new they are usually very soft (provided they're within legal selling age).
I do think I can understand people's point of view though whenever they criticize a tyre that everyone speaks so highly off...alot of tyres are put on a pedastal to the point where people get the impression that its going to be the differance between 1:40 lap times and 1:20.
Not going to happen when they are both street tyres that have to have a legal degree of safety in the wet and reasonable wear levels.
You should give Yokohama S-Drives a try next time ;)
Wayne
31-10-2008, 12:16 AM
never use RE001 before.. but i have used T1-R on 205/35/R18 on my little compact car.. very good in dry condition.. but in wet.. still good.. but if really compare to my previous Falken FK452 in 215/35/R18.. FK452 really good in wet.. i think i should save some bucks to try on the RE001.. =)
Sp00ny
31-10-2008, 12:26 AM
never use RE001 before.. but i have used T1-R on 205/35/R18 on my little compact car.. very good in dry condition.. but in wet.. still good.. but if really compare to my previous Falken FK452 in 215/35/R18.. FK452 really good in wet.. i think i should save some bucks to try on the RE001.. =)
I've got a feeling you wouldn't regret it ;).
A main reason I am not partial to the T1R's is their "V" tread design. Every tyre I have driven with this or similar pattern seem to let me down when it comes to Dry Weather traction.
Wayne
31-10-2008, 02:49 AM
whats the market price now for the RE001 on 215/45/R17 and 215/35/R18? hehe.. yeah.. V thread design not really that good compare to other DRY condition tyres.. but for me.. i like to drive on rainy day.. so i always finding a set of good wet condition tyres.. =)
Limbo
31-10-2008, 08:43 AM
get wet weather tryes then
Sp00ny
31-10-2008, 10:37 AM
whats the market price now for the RE001 on 215/45/R17 and 215/35/R18? hehe.. yeah.. V thread design not really that good compare to other DRY condition tyres.. but for me.. i like to drive on rainy day.. so i always finding a set of good wet condition tyres.. =)
Well I know that the 215/45/R17 size are worth around $240ea from a local stockist but I would say they would be around $20 a tyre cheaper if you got them directly from a bridgetone tyre centre.
Wayne
01-11-2008, 09:59 PM
cool.. i will try ask the shop outside my house.. Donnellans.. hope the price wont scared me away.. =)
SXC-84K
02-11-2008, 12:16 AM
Is your car's suspension stock? As tyres won't change body roll/cornering balance (noticably). Steering response a little bit...but alot of the handling is also reliant on your suspension/chassis.
Don't forget after tyres wear in (as you noticed), the grip levels change...when they're new they are usually very soft (provided they're within legal selling age).
I do think I can understand people's point of view though whenever they criticize a tyre that everyone speaks so highly off...alot of tyres are put on a pedastal to the point where people get the impression that its going to be the differance between 1:40 lap times and 1:20.
Not going to happen when they are both street tyres that have to have a legal degree of safety in the wet and reasonable wear levels.
You should give Yokohama S-Drives a try next time ;)
yeh i had tein SS coilovers, front and rear struts and a 24mm solid 3 way adjustable rear sway bar
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