Yet another P Plate question.

[BOO IT]

Hey Guys, :wave:

Just Blown my head gasket in my 1993 eg4 civic and was wondering its going to exxy to get it fixed so was thinking maybe why not go v-tec?

But heres my Issue.

Im on P plate laws and have been told 4 million different things about the v-tec engines.

I love everything about the v-tec and cant wait to get one its now down to the fact am I allowed it?

please no stupid comments as I need to work out my answer ASAP! :(

[PHM91]

hey mate ive got the same issue and no you can;t because youd be modifying your car/engine and that you cant do when your on your p plates in brisbane now, there might have been people saying if you modify your car and keep it under 200kw or buy it off someone its fine, but there wrong. i even askd a officer about it...and they confirmed it.

im sure this will help your decision

pham.

[Moey.C]

what state are you from ?

[MZ3]

i guess if you replace the engine with the same displacement, who's gonna know?

Im sure the average dumbass copper wont know the difference.

[BURST]

Your average cop probably wont know the difference. But I think the issue is insurance. If you crash and they figure out the car you are driving has been modified and isn't legal for a P-plater then they will not cover you and you may have a huge debt to repay.

[EG52NV]

in Sydney NSW the law clearly stats a p later cannot drive a turbo charged, supercharged and certain other high powered 6 cylinder vehicles There is a list on the NSW RTA website. There is no law to say you cannot drive a car with v-tec or even a car that has been engineered for a non-vtec to vtec engine swap. So if you are in Sydney yes you can. I'm not particularly sure about other states tho..

[BOO IT]

hey mate ive got the same issue and no you can;t because youd be modifying your car/engine and that you cant do when your on your p plates in brisbane now, there might have been people saying if you modify your car and keep it under 200kw or buy it off someone its fine, but there wrong. i even askd a officer about it...and they confirmed it.

im sure this will help your decision

pham.

Hey Thanks. just sucks. so if i was to by it v-tec i could drive it?


what state are you from ?

QLD FTW!!!


i guess if you replace the engine with the same displacement, who's gonna know?

Im sure the average dumbass copper wont know the difference.

Yeah but I still dont wanna be caught out with it knowing i could get caught at any min

[beeza]

QLD FTW!!!

Damn Straight! :thumbsup:

[PHM91]

well you could do a vtec transplant but if you crash then youve got a big debt as BURST said above, but if you get a pulled over by a cop that knows how to do his job then you'll get screwed over..

[BOO IT]

well you could do a vtec transplant but if you crash then youve got a big debt as BURST said above, but if you get a pulled over by a cop that knows how to do his job then you'll get screwed over..

yeah pretty much. how much is it for the head gasket to be replaced?

[PHM91]

yeah pretty much. how much is it for the head gasket to be replaced?

should be 200 and under :thumbsup:

[eg5civic]

Read the rules carefully and exercise them to your full adantage

It says no vehicle modifications which require a engineers certificate
Ie if you had a 92 eg si for example with a d16a8 DOHC non vtec, swapping to a b16a should not need a engineers cert as you have not increased the displacement but 10% and you ahvent gone from single to twin cam, or carby to efi

[Chriskoss]

Looks really like QLD for the bloody LOSS.. if p plates cant even drive NA 4 cyl cars with valve technology lol. WTF is that?

[eeKayFouR]

Read the rules carefully and exercise them to your full adantage

It says no vehicle modifications which require a engineers certificate
Ie if you had a 92 eg si for example with a d16a8 DOHC non vtec, swapping to a b16a should not need a engineers cert as you have not increased the displacement but 10% and you ahvent gone from single to twin cam, or carby to efi

This man is correct! :thumbsup: Any modification that requires an engineer's certificate is illegal for P-platers, regardless of whether you put it in before you got your P's or even if you bought the car like that. Don't know if swapping from d16a8 to a b16a requires an engineer's certificate or not, haven't looked that far into it :)


Looks really like QLD for the bloody LOSS.. if p plates cant even drive NA 4 cyl cars with valve technology lol. WTF is that?

Wrongdizzle! ;) I'm a brissy P-plater driving an ek4, vtec equipped :cool: Although there's rumors that this law could come into force :eek:

[INVSBL]

haha, laws to make it illagel to drive cars which arnt powered by push rods....
if u swap ur motor from a d series to a b series, as long as that motor came out with that car orignally its fine.

and if u leave everything OEM, even the most experienced cops wont know wat it is if u remove the GLI badges.

[4age8u]

should be 200 and under :thumbsup:

i got quoted 1500 for d15b4 :(

[VTECMACHINE]

Read the rules carefully and exercise them to your full adantage

It says no vehicle modifications which require a engineers certificate
Ie if you had a 92 eg si for example with a d16a8 DOHC non vtec, swapping to a b16a should not need a engineers cert as you have not increased the displacement but 10% and you ahvent gone from single to twin cam, or carby to efi

The guy that engineered my car told me that if you swap an Engine, it had to be engineered. Even if it's the same type of engine, cos the engine numbers change.

But if this rule is in place, then you can put NSX brakes on a EK, and it would be fine.

[Moey.C]

Read the rules carefully and exercise them to your full adantage

It says no vehicle modifications which require a engineers certificate
Ie if you had a 92 eg si for example with a d16a8 DOHC non vtec, swapping to a b16a should not need a engineers cert as you have not increased the displacement but 10% and you ahvent gone from single to twin cam, or carby to efi

:thumbsup:


read the laws specifically and make sure u understand it.. coz lots of ppl just read it n think they get the jist n then complain how shit it is

[02gzm]

National Code of Practice for Light Vehicle Construction & Modification. (http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/vehicle_regulation/bulletin/vsb_ncop.aspx)

Bookmark it. Read it.

Just to clear up a few things for people.

Engine Replacement
You can replace your engine with a replacement new, used or reconditioned engine of the same type. Also an equivalent factory optioned engine for that model, with out the need for certification.

Performance Engines
Fitting of a replacement engine with more than 20% greater weight and/or power output than the engine offered by the manufacturer as a standard or optional engine requires certification.



As EG Civic's weren't constructed in Aus with a B-series engine, legally you need a mod plate to put one in. Therefore legally no, P-platers aren't allowed to have one.

Yes you may get away with it for a while, but there is a very good chance that a cop will take 1 look at it and tell you to start making calls for someone to come pick you up. With the introduction of the new P-plate vehicle power restrictions a lot more cops are being taught what cars/engines you are and aren't allowed to drive. So having a big "DOHC VTEC" embossed on a rocker cover kinda gives it away...


should be 200 and under :thumbsup:
$200 for the VRS kit if you're lucky. All up it will cost over $1000 for a head gasket replacement. Expect more if you've warped your head and need it machined.


Oh and to the OP, vtec isn't a form of forced induction, it's just honda's form of variable valve timing (and lift control). Most modern cars have VVT. Honda's is just more advanced than most. So it's not illegal for you to drive a vtec honda. It's just illegal for you to dive an engine swapped one if it didn't come factory with one.

[jks24]

with regards to no more than 20% greater weight. I have a d16y4 in my ek atm, would i legally be able to run a b18c in it??

[eeKayFouR]

Engine Replacement
You can replace your engine with a replacement new, used or reconditioned engine of the same type. Also an equivalent factory optioned engine for that model, with out the need for certification.

Performance Engines
Fitting of a replacement engine with more than 20% greater weight and/or power output than the engine offered by the manufacturer as a standard or optional engine requires certification.


with regards to no more than 20% greater weight. I have a d16y4 in my ek atm, would i legally be able to run a b18c in it??

I'm sorry but EK's were not offered B18C's as an equivalent factory optioned engine. I'd think that if you wanted a B18C in your EK1, you'd require an engineer's certificate. This is based on my reading as all :)

[jks24]

I'm sorry but EK's were not offered B18C's as standard or optional motors. :(

yeh didnt think i could do a conversion, ahhh p plate laws. Oh well it means i have to get a dc2r then, actually not a bad thing :D

[eeKayFouR]

with regards to no more than 20% greater weight. I have a d16y4 in my ek atm, would i legally be able to run a b18c in it??

Hahaha I didn't read your post properly first time round. Disregard what I said even though it's true that the EK's were not offered the B18C. Anyway, I have no idea if the B18C is no more than 20% in weight soz :wave:

[eeKayFouR]

yeh didnt think i could do a conversion, ahhh p plate laws. Oh well it means i have to get a dc2r then, actually not a bad thing :D

Oh so you're still p-plater :p then yeh B18C into your EK1 is a no go zone for us :p