05 Accord Euro Rumours

[bigdongers]

Now the Euros been around about 2 years, its probably due for a minor upgrade. What rumours have you been hearing and where did you hear these from?

I have so far heard about the Milano Red colour and thats about it.

[Type R Positive]

The Euro is selling so hot all over the world, I don't think they will be changing anything for the moment. It would not make good business sense. They might offer different options, such as SATNAV which is available elsewhere but here. I only heard about the milano red here, so i'll just wait and see what they do (not too interested, i've already got my euro!). I would give it another year or so before an update. They have already updated the Integra and Odyssey, so that is heaps of money that they need to re-coupe.

[coladuna]

Looking at the updates they are getting in US, 05 model here might also get illuminated buttons on the steering wheel.

[Catcha]

Dealer told me it will get new 17inch wheels and new clear tail lights like the mazda 6 and so fourth, realeased Jan 2005

[baboo]

Dealer told me it will get new 17inch wheels and new clear tail lights like the mazda 6 and so fourth, realeased Jan 2005


Sh!t, Am I glad I got a 04' model :thumbsup:

[will_pop]

yeh i heard 17inch wheels and standard body kits... called sports model...

not sure tho...

[baboo]

if they put 17s' front the Integra Type S it'll look quite nice actually

[bigdongers]

A sports model would be sweet. Hopefully it would cost less than buying the luxury and then adding the kit on.

[Usual Suspect]

i heard about the sport package, but i dont know how reliable that is. didnt hear anything about clear tailights.

[aaronng]

Is this a prediction for the Accord Euro Type-S? I think they will just give us the TSX for the Euro Luxury model, and keep the base model as it is, but with the upgrades on the lights and other small stuff.

[greecegun]

A performance model would be nice.

Dream on....

[Reagan]

a EURO COUPE AWD 200kw
would be f_ken elite!

supercharged would be even better =)

[ABS121]

New zealand already have the 'sports' model, it consists of the body kit as standard, thats it.... with 17inch wheels as an option, pretty lame if you ask me. The luxury should have come with 17's to start with, and 16's for the base model.

Liberty's and Mazda 6's have 17's.....

[bigdongers]

In NZ the Sport model is $2500 more and you get a bodykit for this price. Not that special if you ask me. If 17's were standard with this package then it is worth the extra price. Otherwise you could fit the bodykit yourself for this kinda price.

[yfin]

Why don't Honda Australia do something innovative for the 05 change - bringing out the a-spec package as an optional extra would be a start - or at least the suspension kit!

http://www.vtec.net/articles/view-article?article_id=264032

[aaronng]

Maybe because Honda Australia is conservative, and want to keep the Euro's image as a 3-series contender, not a hotted up sports sedan. The A-spec suspension is nice!

[Slugoid]

Would be nice if the Euro came with 17's....because 16's are really puny, or maybe a proper sports model. Base model + kit + bigger rims + upgrade brake/suspension. Would sell like hotcakes seeing the Euro is beginning to attract more young driver (young as in 20-30 yrs old)

[bigdongers]

I really see a market for a hotted up Euro. Look at all the 50k+ Subaru Libertys they are selling! This thing looks the same as the base model but has leather, better stereo and more power.

The Mazda 6 MPS will come in at around 55k and will probably sell like hot cakes too.

If honda brought out a 55k AWD Euro with more power, I guarantee it would sell. We need a new Hero car. This could be it!

[Slugoid]

The Accord Euro already has a AWD version in Japan (but only 2.0L). Just need to put in a powerful engine and you're set :D.

http://www.honda.co.jp/auto-lineup/accord/grade-data/index.html

[greecegun]

and they only come in autos....

[aaronng]

I really see a market for a hotted up Euro. Look at all the 50k+ Subaru Libertys they are selling! This thing looks the same as the base model but has leather, better stereo and more power.

The Mazda 6 MPS will come in at around 55k and will probably sell like hot cakes too.

If honda brought out a 55k AWD Euro with more power, I guarantee it would sell. We need a new Hero car. This could be it!
That is already breaching into the premium sports sedan segment, and Honda unfortunately never had a car in that segment and hence doesn't have any previous success to back its brand. But there is always a first time. :)

Honda should bring their SH-AWD system here and develop a lightweight 3 litre V6 (I don't think they will want to go forced induction) to match. Give Subaru a run for its money. If you look back, Subaru is only popular because of its WRX. From the popularity of the WRX came the Liberty B4 (which did not work too well), and now the new Liberty GT is touted as a grown man's WRX! Come on Honda. Bring a REAL Type R and then build on that for your other segments!

[Type R Positive]

Honda should bring their SH-AWD system here and develop a lightweight 3 litre V6 (I don't think they will want to go forced induction) to match. Give Subaru a run for its money. If you look back, Subaru is only popular because of its WRX. From the popularity of the WRX came the Liberty B4 (which did not work too well), and now the new Liberty GT is touted as a grown man's WRX! Come on Honda. Bring a REAL Type R and then build on that for your other segments! You will probably find alot of people who would have brought a Liberty GT have brought a Euro. I know, I am one of them. I didn't want an auto and that's all they come with. There's that, and the fact that the insurance is in the same league as the WRX if not more for someone under 25 like me.

It all comes down to pricing and value for money. You get that with the Euro. You don't with the Liberty GT. Just give me a EURO-R and I'll be happy.

[greecegun]

It all comes down to pricing and value for money. You get that with the Euro. You don't with the Liberty GT. I would have thought the LIberty GT was good value for money, epsscially now with the manual option and the "luxury" pack being made standard.

[Type R Positive]

I would have thought the LIberty GT was good value for money, epsscially now with the manual option and the "luxury" pack being made standard.They didn't have the manual when I was looking in the middle of the year. Bastards!

At $52,990, Dealer's charges and statutory charges additional, that is not good value. :(

STI WRX is $56,630 in comparison, and WRX is $42,490

[greecegun]

But would a more valid comparison be between a luxury pack Euro and a GT? Even if the GT is more expensive, remember it is "more car", with much more power and 4wd etc, and quality that is close to the Honda if not similar.

[aaronng]

Totally different class. With the GT, you're into sub-6 second 0-100km/h territory. That munchs up pretty much the manual Commondoor V8s. In that price bracket too, value for money is not an important factor. You're going into the market where people are willing to pay over $50k for a 1.8 litre 3 series (WTF value is that?!). Here, prestige matters. For those without the prestige brand, ultra-high performance will be the calling card (like the RX-8).

[Eurohonda]

But would a more valid comparison be between a luxury pack Euro and a GT? Even if the GT is more expensive, remember it is "more car", with much more power and 4wd etc, and quality that is close to the Honda if not similar.


True, Well Said..

I myself owns a liberty B4 and also a Liberty GT.

Before i sold off my Lioberty B4 last year, i always wanted back the Honda Accord.. (mind you guys, i have 3 Honda Accords in my family since 1990-1998)

I wanted a better car for around $60K mark. so i test drive a lot of cars, and try to make myself not to buy another subaru again..

The cars i have tested:
Honda Euro Accord (Nice car, large space behind, but Handling sucks)
MG ZT (Very good handling for front wheel drive but pricy, interior looks alright)
Ford XR6 Turbo (large amount of space, nice.. but handling and interior looks plastic)
Mazda 6 (Good handling for a fwd and nice interior, large space for a medium sedan, good sound system, not enough power on top end)
Honda IntegraType-r (very good handling and power but 2 door which i needed a four door)
Holden HSV (handling is worst then the ford & interior looks plastic)
Madaz RX8 ( enough power but still too small for me)
Volvo S60 AWD (Good handling but car too heavy, not enough troque. Best NAPA Leather SEATS i have sat)
Audi 1.8T ( Nice car, good handling, stereo not as promising, not enough power for low end)
AUDI S-Line turbo AWD ( very nice interior, great and fun car to drive. Price over $70K)

After trying out and testing out cars for the past 2 months... i finally test drive the subaru liberty GT 5 speed auto again and found its the car i wanted.. (3 times tested)

Reasons being so is :

All wheel drive
Twin Scroll TURBO
Mcintosh sound systems (13 speakers with front stack 6 CD inlet)
Sunroof
Big enough size car for me
Leather Seats.
Electrical seats
5 speed auto / Triptronic
Good handling
Enough power all round
6 air bags
Huge boot area.
4 door
5 out of 5 Star CRASH TEST. NCAP
Sleeper look


after i told one of my good friend, this is what he told me
"brother, for $60K The liberty GT is one of the best buy car in the market. For Euro Cars BMW's, audi's, MG's- $60K is just the basic entry.."

Which is very true..

[bigdongers]

They didn't have the manual when I was looking in the middle of the year. Bastards!

At $52,990, Dealer's charges and statutory charges additional, that is not good value. :(

STI WRX is $56,630 in comparison, and WRX is $42,490

The WRX is a different class of car to the Liberty. People buying the Liberty GT and 3.0 models are after performance luxury. Pretty much the market that Honda claims to be after in the Euro. Its just a shame that the Euro doesnt have enough power.

[Eurohonda]

The WRX is a different class of car to the Liberty. People buying the Liberty GT and 3.0 models are after performance luxury. Pretty much the market that Honda claims to be after in the Euro. Its just a shame that the Euro doesnt have enough power.


True, thats why i got the liberty gt instead of the STi, both are around the same prices when i got the GT.

If the EURO comes with Turbo and AWD, MATE i will be jumping into the Euro.

[coladuna]

Honda Euro Accord (Nice car, large space behind, but Handling sucks)


Handling sucks? haha. yeah right. very funny
Just pick up any magazine with a review of Accord Euro in it.
None of them will ever say that handling sucks.
On the contrary, Wheels magazine said that it's one of the most neutral cars without any oversteer or understeer. If Accord Euro handles like crap as you suggest, it wouldn't have got 4.5 stars out of 5.
Obviously, you don't know how to tell if a car handles well or not.

[Eurohonda]

I have driven the euro on the yarra blvd in the euro accord, and i know the corners there very well.

Ask one of your members EuroAccord13 who owns a Euro accord.
Me and him been to some mountain drive in his euro accord and he was complaining about the stock shocks and suspension as well as brakes was shit. (Both cars "liberty GT and Euro Accord" are stock suspension & brakes)

[sodaz]

Handling is one of Euro's strong points. If you think it sucks then all i can say is "interesting" :confused:. I've driven quite a few cars and the Euro definitely is top notch in terms of handling. Yep also read around and you won't find a single review that says that the Euro sucks in handling. Maybe you just prefer Subaru's more? :D

[yfin]

Eurohonda - you say the Volvo S60 has good handling right (compared to the Euro)?

If that is the case - why did a Euro beat the 220kw S60R AWD around a race track? It didn't win because it has more power - that is a given :D

See link

http://www.elisetalk.com/forums/showthread.php? (http://www.elisetalk.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=3101&perpage=20&highlight= evo&pagenumber=1)

[yfin]

I have driven the euro on the yarra blvd in the euro accord, and i know the corners there very well.

Ask one of your members EuroAccord13 who owns a Euro accord.
Me and him been to some mountain drive in his euro accord and he was complaining about the stock shocks and suspension as well as brakes was shit. (Both cars "liberty GT and Euro Accord" are stock suspension & brakes)

Sounds like hearsay to me. :thumbdwn:

Lets hear EuroAccord13 say the handling on his Euro "sucks" and his brakes are "shit" - compared to other $34,500 cars on the market. Not compared to cars in the $60k bracket - cars in the $35k bracket.

[Catcha]

Sounds like hearsay to me. :thumbdwn:

Lets hear EuroAccord13 say the handling on his Euro "sucks" and his brakes are "shit" - compared to other $34,500 cars on the market. Not compared to cars in the $60k bracket - cars in the $35k bracket.

that is why the Liberty GT is in another class and cost 20g more than the Euro, don't know why people like to compare turbos with non turbo cars and FWD with AWD. Liberty GT is a luxury sports sedan, a Euro it's more luxury . People budgets that can't stretch to a Liberty GT, would Pick a Euro in my opinion.

But both are great cars.

[bigdongers]

People budgets that can't stretch to a Liberty GT, would Pick a Euro in my opinion.

But both are great cars.

Well said. I am in the same delimma myself. I have always loved the Euro but have taken a strong liking to the GT and 3.0R Liberty. The only thing is to decide whether its worth spending the extra 8K or so for more power that the Liberty gives. Euro vs 2.5 Liberty? Euro wins hands down.

[Catcha]

Well said. I am in the same delimma myself. I have always loved the Euro but have taken a strong liking to the GT and 3.0R Liberty. The only thing is to decide whether its worth spending the extra 8K or so for more power that the Liberty gives. Euro vs 2.5 Liberty? Euro wins hands down.

For the money and the features, you can't beat a Euro, its the same as Bang for your bucks, nothing comes close to the performance of a WRX and even if it goes like one your spending big bucks for it.

Can't wait till the Euros flood the second hand market cause thats where i am picking up my next car....but for 34g you might as well buy brand new

[Slugoid]

I have driven the euro on the yarra blvd in the euro accord, and i know the corners there very well.

Ask one of your members EuroAccord13 who owns a Euro accord.
Me and him been to some mountain drive in his euro accord and he was complaining about the stock shocks and suspension as well as brakes was shit. (Both cars "liberty GT and Euro Accord" are stock suspension & brakes)

Apples and oranges...NA FWD vs. FI AWD.

In terms of cost, the handling of the Euro is quite good I have to say. Brakes are fine as it is imo (it's all about the driver knowing how to use it). I've been up Mt Dande (extensively) and yarra on the Euro and the only criticism I can make is that factory suspension is a bit too soft (hence body roll), and the tyres given are not grippy enough. Those can all be fixed easily with $10K, which would bring it much closer to the Liberty GT price range.

AWD is always superiour in handling, but given a better driver, a FWD can easily match a AWD in handling ;)

[bigdongers]

Those can all be fixed easily with $10K, which would bring it much closer to the Liberty GT price range.


True but adding 10K in bigger wheels and tires and better suspension will not get you an extra 40kw in power :)

[Euro_Boy]

I am probably doubling up what has already been said however I have read every reply to this post so I will put in my 2 bob anyhow.

I previously owned a `01 WRX for about 1.5 years before my luxury euro and in some regards as stated I don't think it is entirely fair to compare a Euro to a Liberty due to obvious reasons.

Coming straight off a stock WRX, from my personal experience I would like to state that the Euro's handling is unbelievable being that it is a FWD and 1,400 or so kgs and could not fault it but I think it would have been more noticeable if the wheels were *AT LEAST* 17 inch.

The euro represents great value as it was created to compete with the Vectra, Mazda 6 and 318i which I think (bar the Mazda6) are way overpriced and don't get as many options or overall value as opposed to the Euro.

I think slightly bigger wheels and lowering the Euro maybe just an inch or so (to the point where u dont screw the geometry of the chasis) would hush the critics.

[aaronng]

Eventhough the car weighs 1395kg, it corners way better than the lighter, "Lotus-tuned" suspension 1206kg Astra sedan. Those who are disappointed are those coming from a proper sports sedan with no-holds-barred suspension geometry and stiffness, and unlimited traction with their 20000km mileage ultra performance tyres.

I think wider wheels would be good. Maybe a 215 series like what the USDM TSX gets, or a 225, which is stretching the limit on the stock rims.

[Type R Positive]

The absolute best comparison you can make to the Euro to date is the mazda6. And we all know how the euro shits all over them, dont we!

$50k for a Liberty GT was too much for me. If it was $40k, I would have one in my driveway right now.

I am happy with my Euro, it has its problems but they will be fixed all in good time.

So, any '05 Euro rumors? :)

[MiSloVic]

Details of the facelifted 05 Accord.. pardon the grammar, but it is a direct bable fish translation from the japan site.. looks like new front and rear bumpers, new grill, possibility of 17 in wheels and illiminated steering wheel..

"The accord series which obtains favorable comment in addition to the running which has the sense of relief with スポーティ, upper quality the internal equipment, with high safe efficiency (the accord/accord wagon) it improves HONDA, from this day sells from the ホンダクリオ store of entire country.

In the accord, the aero part and 17 inch aluminum wheel, sport suspension was equipped the "sport package", with the accord wagon, the BASIC which loads the 2.0L engine setting type "20A", to 24TL of the equipment which is complete respectively anew. It made the type setting which is answered the demand where the customer is wide.
In addition as this time, the FF car of FF car and accord wagon 20A of accord 20A and 20EL and 24E "2005 exhaust standard 75% decrease level (* * * * the exhaust car) acquires recognition low," anew actualizes high environmental efficiency the application object of the green tax system was expanded.



Accord 24TL sport package Accord wagon 24T (FF)


-Sales planning quantity(domestic month) Accord/accord wagon total 1 and 400 units

- Accord series (accord/accord wagon) main modification point
0 accord
In 24TL, the front and back aero forum bumper, the colored side sill garnish, sport suspension, 17 inch aluminum wheel was equipped the "sport package" new setting.
The driver's seat 8 way power seat and 16 inch aluminum wheel, the grain pitch panel (the console panel & the power window switch panel) to add to 24T, completeness equipment.
Former 20E in new grade "20A" modification. The discharge headlight which is standard equipment with 20E was made option setting, width of selection of the customer was expanded.
In all type ヒーテッドドアミラー and steering wheel switch illumination anew standard equipment.
It added the deep green pearl which has set to the accord wagon anew, made the body color of all the 7 colors* 1.
By the FF car of 20A and 20EL "2005 exhaust standard 75% decrease level (* * * * it is low the exhaust car)" recognition anew acquisition.
0 accord wagons
Setting the new grade "20A" which loads the 2.0L engine anew.
In 24E, シƒ…クラ corporation make lumber support (the driver's seat), the driver's seat 8 way power seat and this leather volume steering wheel, the grain pitch panel (the console panel & the power window switch panel), the raindrop inspection wiper and 16 inch aluminum wheel were equipped the "premium package" in place of the former exclusive package new setting.
In 24T sport package driver's seat 8 way power seat anew standard equipment.
In all type ヒーテッドドアミラー and steering wheel switch illumination anew standard equipment.
In all type which excludes 20A the privacy glass standard equipment.
"2005 exhaust standard 75% decrease level (* * * * the exhaust car) acquiring recognition low" by the FF car of accord wagon 20A and 24E.
* 1 accord EuroR is excluded "

[gundam]

A little help with some of the japanese words-

Details of the facelifted 05 Accord.. pardon the grammar, but it is a direct bable fish translation from the japan site.. looks like new front and rear bumpers, new grill, possibility of 17 in wheels and illiminated steering wheel..

"The accord series which obtains favorable comment in addition to the running which has the sense of relief with sporty, upper quality the internal equipment, with high safe efficiency (the accord/accord wagon) it improves HONDA, from this day sells from the Honda Kurio store of entire country.

In the accord, the aero part and 17 inch aluminum wheel, sport suspension was equipped the "sport package", with the accord wagon, the BASIC which loads the 2.0L engine setting type "20A", to 24TL of the equipment which is complete respectively anew. It made the type setting which is answered the demand where the customer is wide.
In addition as this time, the FF car of FF car and accord wagon 20A of accord 20A and 20EL and 24E "2005 exhaust standard 75% decrease level (* * * * the exhaust car) acquires recognition low," anew actualizes high environmental efficiency the application object of the green tax system was expanded.



Accord 24TL sport package Accord wagon 24T (FF)


-Sales planning quantity(domestic month) Accord/accord wagon total 1 and 400 units

- Accord series (accord/accord wagon) main modification point
0 accord
In 24TL, the front and back aero forum bumper, the colored side sill garnish, sport suspension, 17 inch aluminum wheel was equipped the "sport package" new setting.
The driver's seat 8 way power seat and 16 inch aluminum wheel, the grain pitch panel (the console panel & the power window switch panel) to add to 24T, completeness equipment.
Former 20E in new grade "20A" modification. The discharge headlight which is standard equipment with 20E was made option setting, width of selection of the customer was expanded.
In all type heated door mirror and steering wheel switch illumination anew standard equipment.
It added the deep green pearl which has set to the accord wagon anew, made the body color of all the 7 colors* 1.
By the FF car of 20A and 20EL "2005 exhaust standard 75% decrease level (* * * * it is low the exhaust car)" recognition anew acquisition.
0 accord wagons
Setting the new grade "20A" which loads the 2.0L engine anew.
In 24E, シƒ…クラ corporation make lumber support (the driver's seat), the driver's seat 8 way power seat and this leather volume steering wheel, the grain pitch panel (the console panel & the power window switch panel), the raindrop inspection wiper and 16 inch aluminum wheel were equipped the "premium package" in place of the former exclusive package new setting.
In 24T sport package driver's seat 8 way power seat anew standard equipment.
In all type heated door mirror and steering wheel switch illumination anew standard equipment.
In all type which excludes 20A the privacy glass standard equipment.
"2005 exhaust standard 75% decrease level (* * * * the exhaust car) acquiring recognition low" by the FF car of accord wagon 20A and 24E.
* 1 accord EuroR is excluded "

[SiR]

I'm seriously interested in getting an Accord Euro Luxury as my next car and this thread was a must-read.

It's nice to hear they may introduce a 'sport package' consisting a bodykit and 17" wheels. The current 16" looks good and suits the elegant style of the car, but just a tad small imo. It'd be great if they lowered the car a little too - maybe an inch or 1 1/2, but that's really wishful thinking when it comes to manufacturer's lowering their cars. Most lower like 10mm or 20mm for the 'sport packages'.

Another neat addition would be illuminated controls for both the cruise control and sound system positioned on the steering wheel? I heard they're not illuminated in the current car?

How about bi-xenon's with adaptive light cornering? If that comes as standard, then that pretty much rounds up the entire package, don't you think? Wishful thinking though, but even if they offered that as an option, I'd be interested in it.

[aaronng]

Will the rolling diameter with the 17" wheels be the same as the 16" setup? Also, if they use lower profiled tyres to maintain the rolling diameter, you would have to be more vigilant in identifying potholes on the road.