so i got defected

[mrwillz]

for the reasons;
too low

and
too stiff suspension <--- i actually didnt know that at all.


if anyone has to any idea why i'd just like to be informed about it.

to add also a $193 fine for 'use of modified vehicle' a bit harsh.


thanks guys

[redefine]

too stiff suspension <--- i actually didnt know that at all.


wait what?? never heard of that before... :confused:

vsi08 says nothing about stiffness of sussy

[iwantvtec]

lol dats bs. Gg to any one has coilies. Adjust ur damper, if they coilies.

[mrwillz]

yes they coils, so just adj the damper

becareful out there honda ppl, never thought my honda be a target. =[

[blk_shadow]

what the??

so do they actually lay their hands on the car and keep pressing it up and down??

[redefine]

what the??

so do they actually lay their hands on the car and keep pressing it up and down??

x2 i'd like to know how they determinded it to be too stiff...

[tmy]

Did it happen this morning, under this stupid new law?

[Moey.C]

thats bs

[SHOGUNOVDDRK]

There's alot of BS flying around ATM, I've recently been involved in some huge BULLSHIT

[redefine]

shogun: do tell

[blk_shadow]

such as?

[mrwillz]

Did it happen this morning, under this stupid new law?

what new law? in vic?

[mrwillz]

what the??

so do they actually lay their hands on the car and keep pressing it up and down??

yes they did push down onto my car from my fenders

[mrwillz]

to add also a $193 fine for 'use of modified vehicle' a bit harsh.

[redefine]

fark. as if they can seriously tell!

revenue raising FTL

imma printing out a copy of vsi08 to keep in my glovebox...

[SHOGUNOVDDRK]

I was recently defected aswell.....and lost my license in one hit.

The defects I knew were coming which didn't bother me, it was just and overdue (lol, car was going to the crusher at the end of the year anyway)

What was BS was the Cop, his attitude, the fact it was a "Random Breath Test" the fact he dicked me for not having a rear p-plate on which I explained and showed the receipt for magnetic p-plates (I put a magnetic one on 20 minutes before the dicking) and I had 2 regulars in the front.

To top that off moment after pulling me over and giving me some love without lube he pulled over another member of the 86 clan, a 86 Celica, it was red with a bit of primer here and there (mate of mine, just had a ****load of rust cut-out), cop pulled him over and yellow stickered him :thumbdwn:

F-F-S!

Car isn't being un-defected, I'll just carve her up for the next one.

[mars_panas]

for the reasons;
too low

and
too stiff suspension <--- i actually didnt know that at all.


if anyone has to any idea why i'd just like to be informed about it.

to add also a $193 fine for 'use of modified vehicle' a bit harsh.


thanks guys

GG bro... hrmms i got done for the same reason.... my suspension was stiff like a rock he tried pushing my car down and it didn't move haha and yeh car was low too...

did you get any demerit points??

[mrwillz]

of course no demerit pts.

i will pm u rido

[blk_shadow]

this is a waste of time, cops should get out there and get those rapists and stabbers and all the rest, not pulling over cars to raise some revenues and their egos.

[mars_panas]

this is a waste of time, cops should get out there and get those rapists and stabbers and all the rest, not pulling over cars to raise some revenues and their egos.

hey adwin... trust me if you were a cop you do the same thing... LOL

i would :wave:

[timster1200]

well, i found honda's to be prime targets for cops.

I get pulled over at least 2 times a week, and they never find anything... they havent checked engine number to rego sticker yet lol.

I got so fed up with it i cracked it and asked them why they target me, his response was, 'you drive a honda, thats cop bait... haven't you seen the movies.' No bs there 100% true.

Cops can defect you even if you driving a purely stock car straight out of the showroom floor. The guidlines they go by are all up to interpretation so best way is to just suck up to them from the word go.

Heres a story to back up what i have said:

My old man works for bmw melbourne, they had just fitted a schnitzer kit to a new bmw for a client. So it's all factory stock, the client picked up the car and drove no less than 100m down city road before being picked up and defected for car too low.

[googed]

where did you get pulled over will?

mann.. wtf was it highway patrol or a regular dibby van?

[mars_panas]

he got pulled over coz the coppers found out he was a gang member of Kambo Klowns LOL

[spastic]

bad luck mrwillz

khmer soulja 4 lyfe dont worry.

walk around springy in ur cammo uniform and ratty long hair and beanie.

no one mess with you.

[Raztaz]

to add also a $193 fine for 'use of modified vehicle'




:eek: wat...lol.
What are these new laws ppl keep mentioning exactly? If its the one about "hoons with lowered cars" i thought that was only NSW?

[mrwillz]

yeah only in NSW

[iwantvtec]

the new law supposably is u cnt mod ur suspension wats so ever. Bs law. Bs cops. Write a complaint if u got his badge number.

[beeza]

yeah only in NSW

That's what we say here in QLD.

Sorry to hear MrWills,that just plain sucks bigtime man,I feel for ya.I thought I had it bad,2 vito vans in 2 weeks = 6 points and $400.But just to straight up defect a car for what,'too stiff suspension',WTF!! are you serious,I'm flabbergasted,not suprised as any story about the cops and what they do will never suprise me.

Like you said,be careful!! too true a words mate.I've been tossing up whether to get coils but I'm certainly not now,I know have OUT OF FRIGGIN' CONTROL the cop situation is getting,so I'm playing smart.

* Shakes head in disapointment *

[DNYALL]

hmm I have never heard of 'driving of a modified vehicle' WTF!! hmmm and too stiff suspension... thats just strange.

I got defected for using a 'rear strut bar' once... the dudes at vic roads laughed when they read it on the defect sheet...

Well the cops are out if crazy force at the moment with that new crack down on everything. I drove 20kms from my place to the movies and back the other day and saw 8 police cars :eek:

Hmm seems they are just going nuts.

I know it is taking to the extremes, but I'm sure you could get the suspension too stiff thing dropped through court, like they would have to have some sort of set level of measuring how stiff is 'too stiff' eg. a stonge copper could push down and feel enough movement, whereas a weedy weakass cop could push down and feel no movement, therefor regarding it as too hard... the rules are so up in the air its ridiculous... but I guess it's something we have to deal with everyday dmriving our cars...

So shit!!

Unlucky Will :thumbdwn: Hope i'm not next in line...

[beeza]

Yeah,'driving of a modified vehicle',what is that?!?

[_bORdO_]

puhwoar! imagine you had to go to court over too stiff suspension!!
do you think any lawyer would even bother taking the case ahaha!!

police rep - judge, here to my right is a young hoon, whose suspension was way to stiff for me to push down on. and when i say way to stiff i mean <------this much----->

judge - get the f@#&#37; out of my court!

does anyone know of a link i can go to, to read up on about these hoon laws?

[mrwillz]

Yeah,'driving of a modified vehicle',what is that?!?

yah i could kill someone coz im driving a modified car bro

[beeza]

Hey,I got a great idea! Let's all bash our heads against the wall!!

[sangyz]

that use of a modified vehicle is stupid cops can fine you for anything they just have to write a reason down on the fine. i got a fine for a little screech when i turned right a round about and coped a fine for "lost of traction round a round about" ... like wtf?

[Fo55il]

im training to be a cop. woo hoo

[mars_panas]

im training to be a cop. woo hoo

r u gonna make ur pink civic into a cop car bro???

gangstaaaaa

[Fo55il]

this guy, wid d low blows n shiz,

its black now lol

watchout wen exiting brothels




























JOKES

[DNYALL]

that use of a modified vehicle is stupid cops can fine you for anything they just have to write a reason down on the fine. i got a fine for a little screech when i turned right a round about and coped a fine for "lost of traction round a round about" ... like wtf?

hmm so now they are making up new laws on the spot??? :confused::confused::confused:

May I ask how much the fine was for this, did u lose any points as well??

[Crapdaz]

cops need better things to do like catch crims rather than cracking down on car enthusiasts.

- but what the heck it's whatever brings the most money to their pockets.

i reckon the lowering rule for NSW is to fk up us low ballers to stop holding up traffic on speed humps.


Originally Posted by sangyz View Post
that use of a modified vehicle is stupid cops can fine you for anything they just have to write a reason down on the fine. i got a fine for a little screech when i turned right a round about and coped a fine for "lost of traction round a round about" ... like wtf?
damn imagine you were driving with nankang tyres then you'd screech through every corner + roundabout.

[Fo55il]

too many young ppl dying.

n honestly who ever thinks liek i dont do stupid shit and i dont speed, who u trying to bs

cant blame the cops for being anal


but i dunno bout this pushing cars down n shit.

wat if they push my car down and break sumthin. they gon pay for it ?

[mrwillz]

cops need better things to do like catch crims rather than cracking down on car enthusiasts.

- but what the heck it's whatever brings the most money to their pockets.



to be honest
my car is at least 12-13cm lowest point (not headers, but the front sway bar) easily clears the limit.

i shouldnt even have got this fine, + the costs of getting a rwc

yes resources can be utilized alot better

[Fo55il]

did they even use that wheel ?

[mrwillz]

did they even use that wheel ?

your 300kg leg pressing legs, will fit under there

[sangyz]

hmm so now they are making up new laws on the spot??? :confused::confused::confused:

May I ask how much the fine was for this, did u lose any points as well??

They fined me like 180 or somthing i cant remember. but at first they were gonna take 1 point of me but he said he let me off and took no points. But basically they can fine your for any reason.

[mrwillz]

man then im lucky
i dont have very many pts left.

why do some ppl get no fine and some get fines.
just how the cop feels?

[Fo55il]

i alwasy kiss cops asses.

so far so good apart from 2 canaries in the last 5-6 years

[sangyz]

man then im lucky
i dont have very many pts left.

why do some ppl get no fine and some get fines.
just how the cop feels?

yeh its just how the cop feels. i bet some are racist! and sometimes the cops a trainer!! because what happened to my cousin he got done doing 40kms over speed limit which is bs! As someone turns dont you slow down and wait for them to turn and he did that after they turned he sped up and got pulled over and that road he went on wasnt long enough to go 90+ on a 60 zone he would of had to dropped the ****ing CLUTH and rev of its nut in first and 2nd. And my cousin had conections with cops and found out the person that fined him was a traineeeeee!!! cousin lost his licence. but he took them to court lol

[DNYALL]

your 300kg leg pressing legs, will fit under there

I am assuming they didn't use the wheel. that is very shit. if they use the wheel and it hits, fair enough. but no wheel and then they just guess, that is absolute crap...:thumbdwn::thumbdwn::thumbdwn:

[EGB18CT]

lol my gf's uncle has an xy ute, got defected by a 'young' cop thought his fuel tank and pump was nos wtf? also got plates confiscated, and impounded cos was revving the motor in the car wash driveway shaking the water out of everywhere.

its all a revenue grab for cash dont care what anyone thinks... yes defect serious issues like cut springs, rust buckets, smokey cars, bald tyres etc, but please dont take advantage and get some cop cred in the office just like they label hoons as wanting street cred.

some dumbarse comes up with an extreme stupid idea to come in as a law just to win an election and get a bigger pay packet, thats all it is, how about ban smoking and alcohol as it contributes to street violence? no, it brings in money through taxes, plus would take away a luxury from the big fat cats out there.

[SiReal]

agreed EGB18CT

this is the way australia is heading. away from the common interest of the citizen and into the greed. its disgusting. It will only get worse. Common sense is just not common anymore.

Where is Beeza, some of the things he used to say appear so evidently true.

[tec it]

no offence to anyone, but cops are racist as all hell and there also the world's biggest hypocrits.

[Fo55il]

imo

ppl who have previous records should be delt more harshly

just my opinion

ppl like me personally who dont do silly shit shouldnt have to pay for the strictness that comes wid other ppls stupidity

[zco]

tell the officer to grow some muscles when they were pushing your car down..

its too stiff because they're girls and cant push hard enough

[SiReal]

seeing we'll all get done at some point in time , do u think its best if we just keep doing what we do, and be ignorant and when our time comes, just let it come?

if we get too caught up in this, u'll just brew a fvkload of inner hate which is unhealthy.

[outatime]

i am disgusted to this bs.. if he had a soft suspension they would probably say "low and soft.." do we have the right to argue with them though?

i think to avoid them, we should be mindful of the hotspots and take the back streets if possible during friday and saturday nights. that's what i do anyways..

[tec it]

where are the hot spots, cause i swear that around manly, northern beaches i see no cops.....i mean none

[blk_shadow]

hey adwin... trust me if you were a cop you do the same thing... LOL

i would :wave:

yeah, the ones who are too coward to chase for those criminals, so they turn their heads around and said, "errr.....lets play with the helpless enemies, lets pull some cars over instead."

If I am a policeman, I don't want to have a pus*y, yo. they applied for a position to fight for criminals, and ended up 99% roaming around the street looking to get all the 'modified cars', instead of the 'proper' police jobs.

[outatime]

where are the hot spots, cause i swear that around manly, northern beaches i see no cops.....i mean none

it's because you live in a poshy place ;)

from where I live, western sydney that is, i pretty much know the usual spots these cops hang out

[SiReal]

yeah, the ones who are too coward to chase for those criminals, so they turn their heads around and said, "errr.....lets play with the helpless enemies, lets pull some cars over instead."

If I am a policeman, I don't want to have a pus*y, yo. they applied for a position to fight for criminals, and ended up 99% roaming around the street looking to get all the 'modified cars', instead of the 'proper' police jobs.

agreed adwin, its policing priorities gone wrong. The citizens are the ones suffering, not the criminals.

[sretocz]

greed adwin, its policing priorities gone wrong. The citizens are the ones suffering, not the criminals.

And its government priorities dictating police priorities, the same government that the people voted into power. The police are there to enforce the laws that the government has enacted. Police priorities are in place, enforce the law and serve the community, the government priorities are raise revenue and **** people over. Im not fan of cops, but the people who should be taking the blame is the politicians.

[Stig]

193$ fine for having a modified car... wtf? lol

[DNYALL]

yeah that is the one that really gets me!!

I mean if that is seriously a genuine law, then 90&#37; of cars are in the wrong, i mean modifying a work car with custom cabinet work, raising a 4wd. upgrading to aftermarket suspension to any car for towing purposes... changing a head unit... pfft so shit

[beeza]

seeing we'll all get done at some point in time , do u think its best if we just keep doing what we do, and be ignorant and when our time comes, just let it come?

if we get too caught up in this, u'll just brew a fvkload of inner hate which is unhealthy.

Yeah cheers Jeff.Sad to see but many things are seeing the light now.It's NOT about money,money is illusionary.The recent financial crash showed that.It's about control.Remember,cops just follow orders...

But to answer your question,I think obviously a lowered car is a target,so raise ya car up.And keep it as legal as possible.When they pull ya up, (it always happens..) be nice.Be honest and just ride it out calmly,ya know.Most cops are nice,well on the goldy,they are cool.That's how I am and that's all you can be/do.

[TRaNz]

so that mean, i can get fined for using a non OEM honda oil filter?
oh snap.....

[DNYALL]

fark. as if they can seriously tell!

revenue raising FTL

imma printing out a copy of vsi08 to keep in my glovebox...

Hmm anyone have a link to this vsi08 book or whatever it is? is it a list of guidlines or something. hmm i have never heard of it... :o

[SPO73D]

Hmm anyone have a link to this vsi08 book or whatever it is? is it a list of guidlines or something. hmm i have never heard of it... :o

VSI = vehicle standards information sheets... there is like a load of PDF files which outlines basically what is allowed and what isnt... such as VSI 03 = windscreen and window tinting.

here's the website...

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/downloads/vsi/vsi_dl1.html

[Fo55il]

vic nsw same?

[aaronng]

vic nsw same?

Different. Vicroads has their own version. Go DL it from their site.

[Fo55il]

thoguht so

[jaydnisevil]

Yeah,'driving of a modified vehicle',what is that?!?

P'platers arnt allowed todo any performance modifications.. I just think hes extending the rule a little.
Its mostly about power, so no headers, cams etc..

[Fo55il]

i wish i was born white,

[Chriskoss]

i wish i was born white,

Dont go all michael jackson on us1

[Nepolian]

i wish i was born white,

? Cause Caucasians who drive around in their 180/skyline etc don't get defected. Go to the other forums and read up. Everyone with modded cars are being targeted these days due to idiots in their modded cars racing and killing themselves.

Unfortunately modded cars are a target as they stand out!

[SHOGUNOVDDRK]

? Cause Caucasians who drive around in their 180/skyline etc don't get defected. Go to the other forums and read up.

hahahahhahaha, Truth be told, you get raped because you're white.

If you go to Other forums you will see this.

http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp341/SHOGUNOVDDRK1/1205198757123xt7.jpg

http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp341/SHOGUNOVDDRK1/WhiteBoy.jpg

[Nepolian]

hahahahhahaha, Truth be told, you get raped because you're white.

If you go to Other forums you will see this.

http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp341/SHOGUNOVDDRK1/1205198757123xt7.jpg

LOL!!! Llyod, when did you become a model?

[Fo55il]

? Cause Caucasians who drive around in their 180/skyline etc don't get defected. Go to the other forums and read up. Everyone with modded cars are being targeted these days due to idiots in their modded cars racing and killing themselves.

Unfortunately modded cars are a target as they stand out!

i wish i was born caucasian in a 180

i think the sarcasm slipped passed

[EGB18CT]

last night on the way to a family function in Footscray was travelling on racecourse road at about 6:40pm, came to the roundabout where you can either turn to go to Footscray (Ballarat rd) or continue to Newmarket, when all of a sudden a Booze Bus decides to cut me off in the roundabout where the trams cross! I was shocked, i could have easily T-Boned it, and if i was in a shittier car i would have. It would have been interesting to see how much it would have been covered up if it did make it to the news.

I was shocked and it resulted in me saying, 'you don't need to be an idiot under the influence these days to be an idiot on the roads, just look at this fine example'. Hopefully karma would prevail and knock some sence into every cop that was sitting in that booze bus travelling to their next 'hot spot'.

Another fine example of cops being 'hoons' on the road - just take a daily drive and sit out side of the tullamarine cop, dog squad and driver training venue (mickleham rd) - numerous times there have been 3-4 cops in a car (some i believe could be trainees) weaving in and out of traffic at speeds between 100-120km/h on public roads, to what looks like they may be on their way to other venues (always seem to go past mickleham don't know whats there), but the things is, yes they may not need sirens and bla bla on all the time, but i believe they are manditory when other cars are in close proximity on the road for call outs.

Seeing all this this has left a very very sour taste in my mouth, but then again i would be making all this up as i wouldn't be a credible source and be regarded as a whistle blower.

These days I don't bother with the news and media or even government any more, just keep to myself, pick out bits that i want and think is true, do my own little analysis and move on with life, the more attention they all get, the worse it will get for all of us, there are already too many people with rocks in their heads tagging along with the bandwagons, thus it wouldn't matter what government leaders get elected any more - they are all the same, just like management at a job - if they don't preform and make money, they are next out, just like the gov, don't preform and make money, they don't get elected and the 'leader' don't get a bigger pay packet.

[redefine]

Hmm anyone have a link to this vsi08 book or whatever it is? is it a list of guidlines or something. hmm i have never heard of it... :o

yeah, vehicle standards information.

vsi08 is the guide to modification and pretty much states what you can and cant do to modify your car.

[beeza]

I really love reading ya posts of late EGB18CT! Keep up the good thinking champ!!!

[Gio]

man this scares me, but as beez says coast cops seem pretty nice.

[beeza]

man this scares me, but as beez says coast cops seem pretty nice.

Yeah,they are just following orders.

[Crapdaz]

man then im lucky
i dont have very many pts left.

why do some ppl get no fine and some get fines.
just how the cop feels?
Cause they judge you by how you look and talk.


last night on the way to a family function in Footscray was travelling on racecourse road at about 6:40pm, came to the roundabout where you can either turn to go to Footscray (Ballarat rd) or continue to Newmarket, when all of a sudden a Booze Bus decides to cut me off in the roundabout where the trams cross! I was shocked, i could have easily T-Boned it, and if i was in a shittier car i would have. It would have been interesting to see how much it would have been covered up if it did make it to the news.

I was shocked and it resulted in me saying, 'you don't need to be an idiot under the influence these days to be an idiot on the roads, just look at this fine example'. Hopefully karma would prevail and knock some sence into every cop that was sitting in that booze bus travelling to their next 'hot spot'.

Another fine example of cops being 'hoons' on the road - just take a daily drive and sit out side of the tullamarine cop, dog squad and driver training venue (mickleham rd) - numerous times there have been 3-4 cops in a car (some i believe could be trainees) weaving in and out of traffic at speeds between 100-120km/h on public roads, to what looks like they may be on their way to other venues (always seem to go past mickleham don't know whats there), but the things is, yes they may not need sirens and bla bla on all the time, but i believe they are manditory when other cars are in close proximity on the road for call outs.

Seeing all this this has left a very very sour taste in my mouth, but then again i would be making all this up as i wouldn't be a credible source and be regarded as a whistle blower.

These days I don't bother with the news and media or even government any more, just keep to myself, pick out bits that i want and think is true, do my own little analysis and move on with life, the more attention they all get, the worse it will get for all of us, there are already too many people with rocks in their heads tagging along with the bandwagons, thus it wouldn't matter what government leaders get elected any more - they are all the same, just like management at a job - if they don't preform and make money, they are next out, just like the gov, don't preform and make money, they don't get elected and the 'leader' don't get a bigger pay packet.
yeh rofl, imagine you did touch the booze bus.
then all the tax payers money will be going to cover up the story.

[2002 TeGgY]

Did it happen this morning, under this stupid new law?

RTA rule VS150 has been put on hold


The press release:



NSW MINISTER FOR ROADS MICHAEL DALEY MP
N E W S R E L E A S E

MINISTER AGREES TO FURTHER CONSULTATION ON CAR MODIFICATION LAWS
Wednesday 29 July 2009

Minister for Roads Michael Daley today met with representatives from the 4WD communityand car industry who asked for the introduction of proposed vehicle modification rules to be delayed and for more time to consult.

Mr Daley said he agreed to put the rule changes on hold and that more consultation was needed following the meeting.

Ive listened to feedback from the industry and the community, and have agreed to set up a working party to look more closely at how we are going to address this road safety issue, he said.

All of those who attended todays meeting agreed that safety is paramount and that unsafe modifications of vehicles do need be stamped out.

The working group will include representatives from the NSW Centre for Road Safety,

Four Wheel Drive NSW-ACT, Australian Automotive Aftermarket Association, the Australian 4WD Industry Council as well as other agencies and experts, Mr Daley said.

Executive Director of Australian Automotive Aftermarket Association Stuart Charity said this was a terrific outcome.

Were passionate about road safety and we understand the intent of the regulation is to make the roads safer he said.

Were looking forward to working towards a practical solution that meets road safety objectives while also taking industry views into account, Mr Charity said.

Greg Redfern from Four Wheel Drive NSW-ACT also welcomed the outcome and said the working group would have their full support.

We want to eliminate unsafe practices in the driving community and well work with the government to make sure these new regulations meet those objectives without any adverse consequences for the motoring community at large, he said.

We all agree that there is no place for extreme and illegal modifications, but the clubs in our association follow a strict code of conduct and ethics, and we want to make sure theyre not punished, Mr Redfern said.

Contact: 9228 5665

[Moey.C]

i wanna be a copper. str8 out have every intention 2 go to goulbourn and become a nsw police officer... however i wouldnt screw over young ppl for nothing becoz i will always remember being young n being screwed for stupid shit. i have met alot of cops having gone on this goulbourn work experience kinda job day thing with the police and being on a busload of cops lol i askd em waat kinda things they let go and wat they book for.

most replied depends on the driver if he has attitude or not... true story

[googed]

MRWILL i got defected same spot you did

a MAJOR defect for "too wide" rims
wtf a major defect!.... a major requires 3 or more items
i got one

cops are having a serious power trip these days

[Moey.C]

we should be able 2 fight these decisions without paying court fees and all dat bull...

just like if they want street racing off the streets open up a free track including 1/4mile

that would be a crazy hangout for all sydneysiders if they built one somewhere here... maybe a 10$ entry fee per car but free to enter in the events once your there.. would take hooning off the streets and help ? ? n maybe open a maccas or a couople of food joints and servo's down there...

i dunno iv always thought a place like this would be sick and i would love for one to open up... even though its never gonna happen.

[geeang]

we should be able 2 fight these decisions without paying court fees and all dat bull...

just like if they want street racing off the streets open up a free track including 1/4mile

that would be a crazy hangout for all sydneysiders if they built one somewhere here... maybe a 10$ entry fee per car but free to enter in the events once your there.. would take hooning off the streets and help ? ? n maybe open a maccas or a couople of food joints and servo's down there...

i dunno iv always thought a place like this would be sick and i would love for one to open up... even though its never gonna happen.

That's what drag strips and race tracks are for, your entire paragraph pretty much sums up the stereotype that are 'young p-plater hoons'.

[Moey.C]

That's what drag strips and race tracks are for, your entire paragraph pretty much sums up the stereotype that are 'young p-plater hoons'.

no but i mean cheaper, affordable to your average p platers, rather than thrashing their cars around familiar streets they can take it to the track

... and open at night... for people to go and hang out.. instead of going la perous or brighton beach like they do.... young people yes do love their cars... and many of them yes do like to speed... i think if a government run and funded place opened up it would take the speeding off the streets. at least itll be in a 'safer' environment...

dont misunderstand me please.

[Moey.C]

anyway wat i really meant 2 get across is that fighting these stupid laws should not be as big as a hassle as it is with going 2 court n watnot.... true ? ?

[Chriskoss]

Cops.. an endless debate.. you find some good ones.. you find some bad ones.. unfortunately its 1 good to every 100 bad?

Internet posters dnt like them? = move to a deserted offshore island and create your own country and show those city slicker cops whos the real boss, k kiddies?

[geeang]

no but i mean cheaper, affordable to your average p platers, rather than thrashing their cars around familiar streets they can take it to the track

... and open at night... for people to go and hang out.. instead of going la perous or brighton beach like they do.... young people yes do love their cars... and many of them yes do like to speed... i think if a government run and funded place opened up it would take the speeding off the streets. at least itll be in a 'safer' environment...

dont misunderstand me please.

Are you serious? A drag strip is exactly what you're describing such as WSID, open at night and cheap to run, where you can speed off the streets. You're pretty much describing what has already been said and done, these laws are introduced because of people who think it's cool to break laws, the government doesn't need to make a super cool place for people to speed off the street when they shouldn't be breaking the law in the first place.

[Moey.C]

Are you serious? A drag strip is exactly what you're describing such as WSID, open at night and cheap to run, where you can speed off the streets. You're pretty much describing what has already been said and done, these laws are introduced because of people who think it's cool to break laws, the government doesn't need to make a super cool place for people to speed off the street when they shouldn't be breaking the law in the first place.

alright im pretty sure people modding there cars arent doing it becoz its cool to break laws... rather becoz they want there car looking better or going faster... and WSID is open n watever on wed nights n saturdays to the public... im saying something open to the public every night . . .

i dont wanna argue anyway im over it.

[lookingforboost]

ha ha lol i have all my defects next to my engeineers papers for my car, even after getting my car 100&#37; legal and inspected over the pits i have been defected 3 times after that for major items and had to have it passed over the pits and every time it passes, followed by (ha ha see you in a few weeks agian and a wave) i mean the last time i didnt even have to take the car!!! this is at the RTA pits mind you not some dodgy bob place!!

just goes to show that even after i do the right thing and spend the money and time getting my car right and legal to drive on the road i still get pulled over and picked on! and for things that are listed on my certificate! feels like the biggest waste of time and money getting it!

i hold a good record for being Defected getting pulled over and defected agian (so defected and defected while defected) getting pulled over 2 times within 7 mins and 5kms getting pulled over mind you for "RBT" in my own street 2 on seperate occasions being defected while parked and in the car and then another time defected while the car was parked and i was watching the waves on the beach.... :)

i hate HWP they really should get a life........

[GSi_PSi]

I think moey means like a place that is like government advertised , enforced etc , so they can be like instead of drag racing on the street go dere n stuff. Also a place were car enthusiasts can go on friday,saturday and sunday nights instead of going Lapa or Brighton and getting targetted n defectedd ass rapped by coppers etcc.

[Moey.C]

I think moey means like a place that is like government advertised , enforced etc , so they can be like instead of drag racing on the street go dere n stuff. Also a place were car enthusiasts can go on friday,saturday and sunday nights instead of going Lapa or Brighton and getting targetted n defectedd ass rapped by coppers etcc.

thank u mr b20 lol...

when the cops run a check on ur plates does it come up if u have engeneering certificates or nope?

[geeang]

ha ha lol i have all my defects next to my engeineers papers for my car, even after getting my car 100% legal and inspected over the pits i have been defected 3 times after that for major items and had to have it passed over the pits and every time it passes, followed by (ha ha see you in a few weeks agian and a wave) i mean the last time i didnt even have to take the car!!! this is at the RTA pits mind you not some dodgy bob place!!

just goes to show that even after i do the right thing and spend the money and time getting my car right and legal to drive on the road i still get pulled over and picked on! and for things that are listed on my certificate! feels like the biggest waste of time and money getting it!

i hold a good record for being Defected getting pulled over and defected agian (so defected and defected while defected) getting pulled over 2 times within 7 mins and 5kms getting pulled over mind you for "RBT" in my own street 2 on seperate occasions being defected while parked and in the car and then another time defected while the car was parked and i was watching the waves on the beach.... :)

i hate HWP they really should get a life........

Just remember that an engineering certificate does not prevent defects, it simply makes the process much easier to have them cleared.
It's possible it could all be in the attitude you approach a cop with, but I guess that's just the risk you take when it comes into modifying cars.

[GSi_PSi]

depends man... wen i used to drive my mates highly modified EJ8 Coupe (showcar) the coppers were so rude to me, would like try and say stuff about the car to get me to get angry lol. they were like "oh how much u pay for this shitbox" im like yeah its a shitbox, confusing them lmao...and yeah they still defected the car even with everything engineered or would find really stupid defects, like different bulbs in the dash lighting etc.

[SHU-ES1]

damn willz, thats bs. where did you get booked in melb? i guess we gotta be more careful these days if they booking us for stupid reasons like too hard suspension, if anything doesn't that make your car safer for upgraded sussy? that's ridiculous. sorry to hear what happened.

[mrwillz]

MRWILL i got defected same spot you did

a MAJOR defect for "too wide" rims
wtf a major defect!.... a major requires 3 or more items
i got one

cops are having a serious power trip these days

wtf, thats bs

which cop was it?
speak to me on msn henry

[Nepolian]

ha ha lol i have all my defects next to my engeineers papers for my car, even after getting my car 100% legal and inspected over the pits i have been defected 3 times after that for major items and had to have it passed over the pits and every time it passes, followed by (ha ha see you in a few weeks agian and a wave) i mean the last time i didnt even have to take the car!!! this is at the RTA pits mind you not some dodgy bob place!!

just goes to show that even after i do the right thing and spend the money and time getting my car right and legal to drive on the road i still get pulled over and picked on! and for things that are listed on my certificate! feels like the biggest waste of time and money getting it!

i hold a good record for being Defected getting pulled over and defected agian (so defected and defected while defected) getting pulled over 2 times within 7 mins and 5kms getting pulled over mind you for "RBT" in my own street 2 on seperate occasions being defected while parked and in the car and then another time defected while the car was parked and i was watching the waves on the beach.... :)

i hate HWP they really should get a life........

Lookingforboost, while you have made some valid points, you have to realise that defects are defects, irrespective of engineer certificate. The certificate is not a get out of goal card for the popos.

You say that HWP sould get a life, well just to enlighten you, the role of HWP is just that. Traffic related issues, which funny enough included defects and issuing traffic related fines. That is their life!

Seriously not having a dig at you, just pointing out general facts!


thank u mr b20 lol...

when the cops run a check on ur plates does it come up if u have engeneering certificates or nope?

Of no relevance! The onus is on you to have the certificate and not for RTA and popos to keep track of your mods!


Just remember that an engineering certificate does not prevent defects, it simply makes the process much easier to have them cleared.
It's possible it could all be in the attitude you approach a cop with, but I guess that's just the risk you take when it comes into modifying cars.

^^ Correct. There are some popos out there who will give tickets to their grannies and there are ones who will cut you a bit of slack if you shoe some "respect".

Short story......A good friend of mine a few years ago had a reasonably modded car. He had an engine conversion etc.... One night he gets pulled over by the popos for having yellow headlights (not legal). The popos were reasonably nice saying to him, "You know you cant have yellow lights?". My mate goes, "Mazdas have them stock, what are you taking about?". Popo goes, "Well, we're not dealing with that particular mazda, I'm referring to your car". My mate, "Well I hope you get all the other car with yellow lights then!".

The popo then gets his defect book out and writes up everything from too low to not having a shiftboot cover.

Moral to the story......Show respect! All my mate had to do was o tsay along the lines, Sorry, I didn't know. I will head home and fix it or something like that! The popos was not looking to defect his car. He was very nice in his approach and in my opinion, was simply informing my mate about his yellow light!

Yes, I was there and you can imagine what my mates side of the story would be :(

[beeza]

Well said on that last part mate.You are absolutely correct!

[Stig]

wtf, thats bs

which cop was it?
speak to me on msn henry

that was john, im henry lol

but yeah it was defected on springvale road and heatherton, prob same rozzers that got you

[googed]

wtf, thats bs

which cop was it?
speak to me on msn henry


that was john, im henry lol

but yeah it was defected on springvale road and heatherton, prob same rozzers that got you

yeah man a full defect - major for writing one thing on the paper
too wide wheels

they arent even that wide. wasnt even me driving it was the missus, the cop checked the whole car himself and said to her
"nothing is wrong with the car except the wheels"

i dont understand how that warrants a major defect and a full rwc

[mrwillz]

noooooo shit

mine was a major too, well i got the 'stiffness' which isnt even a defect? and a brake light (pfft)

waste of time n money.

at least u didnt get a fine?

[googed]

noooooo shit

mine was a major too, well i got the 'stiffness' which isnt even a defect? and a brake light (pfft)

waste of time n money.

at least u didnt get a fine?

no fine, she was let off luckily...

but the fact of the matter is a major defect?
i feel for you since your "ride height" and "stiffness" let alone the fine was ridiculous.....

i cant read the name of the officer but pm sentt

[Stig]

mate got dicked on springvale road, is there such thing as a fine for passing the white line (the big white lines before the pedestrian lines) at the traffic lights by a little bit and another fine for unsafe parking when you pull over cos the cop made you stop on the side of the road? i think the cops around springvale are just meeting their quota atm and its pure revenue.

[Moey.C]

fine for unsafe parking when you pull over cos the cop made you stop on the side of the road? .

whattt thhheeee fff??????

sounds bad.. i was with a mate when he got pulled over.. he shit himself lol first time pulled over and he pulled over pretty stupidly (somewhere narrow and was crooked) i told him 2 fix it up but he goes nah the cop will think im doing a runner... lol anyways

just an RBT and copper goes be safe etc.... he has a gsi, rims exhaust lowered... they must be absoloute DOGS in melbourne ?

[GSi_PSi]

^ depends man even in sydney. if ur car has a record, lol your gonna get done everytime. My mates SSS i was driving. Hes a bit of a trouble maker, Previously found bats etc in the car. Cop pulled me over, searched everyone in the car, searched the car, he said we were acting suspicous lol.

[Limbo]

well, to all you out there i'd take down the cop's badge number & name and report the incident to the police obudsman. If enough of you complain after a while they will get the message that they are actually not in the right.

I've had my share when i was younger and i almost took one matter to court, spoke with the local magistrate (friend's dad) who agreed with me that what happened was a load of crap, ended up being cheaper to pay the fine. Its tough at times, and especially with the current government spending all the surplus, they have to raise revenue. Young drivers with hotted cars are good targets cos they think you've prob got abit of $$$ to pay with

Most cops you will find do not know the laws well enough & play on young drivers being just as ignorant.
I've tested some at the local police station before. Unless you take it to court its your word against theirs and yours doesn't mean jack.

[dudeling7]

im so sick of anything to do with cops and defects these days and i know there is nothing i can do about it....

even if my car was legit height etc etc i know i'll still be targeted so you just have to deal with it.

i have to go out of my way to stay off main roads to get anywhere in the city just because of stupid crackdowns.

one of my mates got defected for too low the other week and they told him that his rear LCA bushing was worn and to fix it. he fixed it that day and took it back and the same engineer said he fixed the wrong thing, later pointing to the rear trailing arm bush and saying that its the same thing! how can someone at the main RTA pits in canberra not know the difference...? at the same time they asked what kinda of suspension he had (cusco zero 2). it seems as if there is no knowledge possessed by half of these guys...

long story short...i'm utterly sick of how often me and my mates get defected and just used to it now, only thing you can do try be polite when getting pulled over (even though your head is about to get blow off from rage) or have a stock car otherwise u just have to deal with it that having a modified car in any way sooner or later u will get caught

[BOO IT]

At least they didnt try and slam you with a hey you have a commodore in disguise as a honda canary sheet...

or better yet get you with a Police:"hey mam it seems that you dont have a H pattern on your gearknob and that is deemed a defect" Me:"pitty its an automatic hey!'

[mnc]

cops are corrupted and can SMB! almost 750bux worth of fines and guess what? none of them are related to hooning/speeding at all --''

[beeza]

All these Rules and Regulations being enforced - What it is,is like Programming the Laboratory rat,as they see it,into conforming,through not wanting to meet the Resistance,into Acquiescing to this Agenda!

Quote that!!

* Acquiescing - to assent tacitly; submit or comply silently or without protest; agree; consent.

* Most are seeing the agenda for a 'New World Order' AKA Total Human enslavement.

[mocchi]

im loving the hate.

[Oxer]

MRWILL i got defected same spot you did

a MAJOR defect for "too wide" rims
wtf a major defect!.... a major requires 3 or more items
i got one

cops are having a serious power trip these days


I agree that it is all BS but police dont need three things to give you a major defect. For example:

Too Low is a major defect itself, no other problems needed, Anything the cop has missed will be picked up when you get the roadworthy.

Small things such as a cracked indicator, blown globe or a chip in the windscreen are MINOR defects. if you get three minors you have yourself a major.

As for the stiffness thing;

Your vehicle is supposed to maintain 2/3rds of the factory suspension travel. This is not a new bs law. I have been defected many times for it. If your car is uneven (front higher then the rear etc) you will get a defect.


When it comes to fines, the police officer will write down the first thing that comes to their head. Generally when you get a fine along with a defect it is for driving an UNSAFE vehicle. Im sure if you contested the Modified vehicle fine it would fall under the unsafe vehicle category and you would still have to pay.


In saying this, I feel as it is getting rediculous with all of the bullshit new fines and laws around, makes my blood boil.


If you dont have time to read further, you are missing out on a good story.



So the story goes; I was driving this home from dandenong:

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o25/oxchopshop/IMG_1996.jpg

It was around 2am, I had just dropped off a mate to pick up his car. Princess hwy, I get pulled over by an unmarked holden astra. The cop walks over and says, "the reason we pulled you over was because we heard your car scraping on the ground!" I replied, "I seriously doubt that officer." The car was 100mm off the ground at its lowest point in the rear, front was still 4x4 spec.

After 20minutes of them laying on the ground with their "wheel" they couldnt hit a single thing. At this point I was in tears laughing, but I made sure they didnt see me. They were furious, went over the whole car and all they could find was a cracked indicator lense, windscreen washers didnt work (I said no water but really there was no bottle :cool: ), the vehicle being uneven and it didnt retain 2/3rds of the suspension travel, mind you at full height it was the same stiffness which is why that rule is bullshit.

I thought alright, Ill get a defect, maybe a fine, Ill have it all clear in a few days.


Wrong.


He came back, slapped a yellow sticker on it, handed me the defect paperwork and a fine for $187 for driving an unsafe vehicle. What happend next almost sent me to jail for life.

I said, "so thats it then?" to which he replied "pull the vehicle over to the slip lane, we will follow you, then you cannot drive the vehicle." "Excuse me??" I replied. "You heard. You have to tow it home, if we catch you driving it you will be charged and prosecuted." "I live in reservoir, we are in dandenong. How do you suppose I get home at 2am? Its not a 5 minute walk, Its over an hours drive!" To which he replied, "Thats not my problem." and smiled.

As you could imagine, my head was about to explode, I felt like de-bowling him and making him eat it.

I didnt have my mobile on me, only had 50c and had no idea where the f@#k I was gonna find a payphone so I asked "Can I use your phone? can you call someone for me?" He laughed, handed back my licence and said have a good night.

Two days later I returned with a trade plate, drove it all the way home. Long gone now, but was an experiance I wont be forgetting anytime soon. Once my civic is back on the road Ill be sure to carry a large tub of vaseline.

[crunkman99]

I agree that it is all BS but police dont need three things to give you a major defect. For example:

Too Low is a major defect itself, no other problems needed, Anything the cop has missed will be picked up when you get the roadworthy.

Small things such as a cracked indicator, blown globe or a chip in the windscreen are MINOR defects. if you get three minors you have yourself a major.

As for the stiffness thing;

Your vehicle is supposed to maintain 2/3rds of the factory suspension travel. This is not a new bs law. I have been defected many times for it. If your car is uneven (front higher then the rear etc) you will get a defect.


When it comes to fines, the police officer will write down the first thing that comes to their head. Generally when you get a fine along with a defect it is for driving an UNSAFE vehicle. Im sure if you contested the Modified vehicle fine it would fall under the unsafe vehicle category and you would still have to pay.


In saying this, I feel as it is getting rediculous with all of the bullshit new fines and laws around, makes my blood boil.


If you dont have time to read further, you are missing out on a good story.



So the story goes; I was driving this home from dandenong:

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o25/oxchopshop/IMG_1996.jpg

It was around 2am, I had just dropped off a mate to pick up his car. Princess hwy, I get pulled over by an unmarked holden astra. The cop walks over and says, "the reason we pulled you over was because we heard your car scraping on the ground!" I replied, "I seriously doubt that officer." The car was 100mm off the ground at its lowest point in the rear, front was still 4x4 spec.

After 20minutes of them laying on the ground with their "wheel" they couldnt hit a single thing. At this point I was in tears laughing, but I made sure they didnt see me. They were furious, went over the whole car and all they could find was a cracked indicator lense, windscreen washers didnt work (I said no water but really there was no bottle :cool: ), the vehicle being uneven and it didnt retain 2/3rds of the suspension travel, mind you at full height it was the same stiffness which is why that rule is bullshit.

I thought alright, Ill get a defect, maybe a fine, Ill have it all clear in a few days.


Wrong.


He came back, slapped a yellow sticker on it, handed me the defect paperwork and a fine for $187 for driving an unsafe vehicle. What happend next almost sent me to jail for life.

I said, "so thats it then?" to which he replied "pull the vehicle over to the slip lane, we will follow you, then you cannot drive the vehicle." "Excuse me??" I replied. "You heard. You have to tow it home, if we catch you driving it you will be charged and prosecuted." "I live in reservoir, we are in dandenong. How do you suppose I get home at 2am? Its not a 5 minute walk, Its over an hours drive!" To which he replied, "Thats not my problem." and smiled.

As you could imagine, my head was about to explode, I felt like de-bowling him and making him eat it.

I didnt have my mobile on me, only had 50c and had no idea where the f@#k I was gonna find a payphone so I asked "Can I use your phone? can you call someone for me?" He laughed, handed back my licence and said have a good night.

Two days later I returned with a trade plate, drove it all the way home. Long gone now, but was an experiance I wont be forgetting anytime soon. Once my civic is back on the road Ill be sure to carry a large tub of vaseline.

man, fck that . seriosuly made me rage reading it

[outatime]

^ haha so was I! i wanna punch that hwp for being a d*ck face! lol

[WATAJK]

Want my honest opinion?
Cops see a numba plate that gives an idea its modified, bang ur pick'd on
They see a P plate, bingo again
High performance car... Another problem
Car is either lowered or rims have been change'd.
Biggest assoles >.>


Everytime i've been pull'd over in my daily (laser) i've been nice but they give attitude, so from now on i juz give it right back instead of trying to settle n issue.
Im over copper's bullshit, all they wanna do is give us "ETHUSIASTS" a shit time, while the hoons get to roam loose.

[Limbo]

and police wonder why they get no respect........

[WATAJK]

and police wonder why they get no respect........

Big difference between hoons and enthusiasts but then again were one group to cops

[blk_shadow]

why all these are mostly in bloody Melbourne "the place to live" Victoria????

[DC4Integra98]

I've been pulled over quite a few times now especially for 'random' breathe tests... heck even at 7.30 in the morning!

Most surprising was the latest incident when I was pulled over straight after heading out of a shopping centre carpark at around 8pm. The coppa comes around and asks me "do you know why you were pulled over?",

I reply nicely and said not at all, he then explains to me the biggest bs i've ever heard and tells me that I had apparently cut a bmw off whilst coming out of the shopping centre.

There was obviously no bmw since the cop was right behind after coming out of the carpark... however i resisted to argue. He then further asks if i was on the phone etc etc

After a while he asks where im headed to and lets me go. He then proceeds to follow me to my destination (wtf?)

So far been very lucky that whenever i've been pulled over it has been in a very dark area or when im suited up going to work, so no defects and fines so far touch wood :)

[WATAJK]

I've been pulled over quite a few times now especially for 'random' breathe tests... heck even at 7.30 in the morning!

Most surprising was the latest incident when I was pulled over straight after heading out of a shopping centre carpark at around 8pm. The coppa comes around and asks me "do you know why you were pulled over?",

I reply nicely and said not at all, he then explains to me the biggest bs i've ever heard and tells me that I had apparently cut a bmw off whilst coming out of the shopping centre.

There was obviously no bmw since the cop was right behind after coming out of the carpark... however i resisted to argue. He then further asks if i was on the phone etc etc

After a while he asks where im headed to and lets me go. He then proceeds to follow me to my destination (wtf?)

So far been very lucky that whenever i've been pulled over it has been in a very dark area or when im suited up going to work, so no defects and fines so far touch wood :)

LOL @ that bullshit
See those are the sort of cops that annoy me.
When it comes to the lights i aboslutely fly off but to shit the copper ill stop and keep within the speedlimit haha :D
When the next set of lights come, i do a head check, giving me a dirty look..
Felt sorry he couldnt book me lol

[blasdf]

it's BS you guys get all these problems. I've been living in QLD for over a year now, originally from NZ. I lost my license for 6 months back home because I pulled out of an intersection with my mate in the car, nailed it from 1st to 2nd, and a cop came past and did my for some boy racing law. Complete shit that I would have argued had I not had a few beers and would have been over the limit. So used my skills to actually make him forget to take a breath sample from me...holding the breath meter thing in his hand as he jumped out the car.

Ive been a good driver here, got my little civic with not too much power.

But I have to say, the only time I got pulled up here was in a car with no rego, my mates car of all things, but it was rego'd it just hadn't been received and he was also new to Australia. They were nice to me, said it's rego'd, just take the old one off as that's a fine here. Let me on the way, maybe because my mate is an older guy and we didn't look like racers.

But I definitely feel cops use personal feelings and human emotions to pull over people and react. Which really, they should be hooked up to a matrix machine, have all their thoughts wiped from memory and be programmed to only use the law and be matter of fact, no personal feelings...sure this will never happen, but that's the problem people face.

Has anyone in teh Gold Coast had bad run in with cops for no real good reason...and I don't mean like my mate had getting busted going 270 down the M1 and escaped jail time with a good lawyer. I mean driving along, and get attacked by cops yada.. To be honest the only time I really see cops pulling cars over here are if you have a Suby or Skyline.

Sorry to blab away in this thread, but I feel the pain with this and hope it eases with the hounding.

[WATAJK]

it's BS you guys get all these problems. I've been living in QLD for over a year now, originally from NZ. I lost my license for 6 months back home because I pulled out of an intersection with my mate in the car, nailed it from 1st to 2nd, and a cop came past and did my for some boy racing law. Complete shit that I would have argued had I not had a few beers and would have been over the limit. So used my skills to actually make him forget to take a breath sample from me...holding the breath meter thing in his hand as he jumped out the car.

Ive been a good driver here, got my little civic with not too much power.

But I have to say, the only time I got pulled up here was in a car with no rego, my mates car of all things, but it was rego'd it just hadn't been received and he was also new to Australia. They were nice to me, said it's rego'd, just take the old one off as that's a fine here. Let me on the way, maybe because my mate is an older guy and we didn't look like racers.

But I definitely feel cops use personal feelings and human emotions to pull over people and react. Which really, they should be hooked up to a matrix machine, have all their thoughts wiped from memory and be programmed to only use the law and be matter of fact, no personal feelings...sure this will never happen, but that's the problem people face.

Has anyone in teh Gold Coast had bad run in with cops for no real good reason...and I don't mean like my mate had getting busted going 270 down the M1 and escaped jail time with a good lawyer. I mean driving along, and get attacked by cops yada.. To be honest the only time I really see cops pulling cars over here are if you have a Suby or Skyline.

Sorry to blab away in this thread, but I feel the pain with this and hope it eases with the hounding.


Mate if u ask me, cops should focus on the real criminals not us

[Moey.C]

Mate if u ask me, cops should focus on the real criminals not us

couldnt agree more

[aaronng]

it's BS you guys get all these problems. I've been living in QLD for over a year now, originally from NZ. I lost my license for 6 months back home because I pulled out of an intersection with my mate in the car, nailed it from 1st to 2nd, and a cop came past and did my for some boy racing law. Complete shit that I would have argued had I not had a few beers and would have been over the limit. So used my skills to actually make him forget to take a breath sample from me...holding the breath meter thing in his hand as he jumped out the car.

You just admitted to drink driving on a public forum.......... Be careful because anyone can read this section.

[EGB18CT]

there was a report in the hearald sun the other day (sunday i believe) with an ex 'oldie' cop saying cops should go back to they way they used to be before, concentrating on 'real crimes' not speeding/hoon laws driving around the street booking people while other more serious crimes are happening and getting away. Of course, this 'old' cop got crucified.. story went something like that.

[aaronng]

there was a report in the hearald sun the other day (sunday i believe) with an ex 'oldie' cop saying cops should go back to they way they used to be before, concentrating on 'real crimes' not speeding/hoon laws driving around the street booking people while other more serious crimes are happening and getting away. Of course, this 'old' cop got crucified.. story went something like that.

Not much you can do now.... Back then there were "cops". Now you have "general duties", "highway patrol", "detectives". They are specialised now that you can't ask a highway patrol cop to become a detective and solve crimes. So the highway patrol cop keeps doing what he does best. Catching people for speeding and pick on modified cars.

BTW, latest use of the word "hoons" on the news was for cars with extra loud sound systems just cruising the streets slowly. I think this was Channel Nine, it's the channel with the old guy as a newsreader.

[Limbo]

yeah would be good if cops focused on real crimes.
Can't get them to even come out even when you have an accident......

[Nepolian]

yeah would be good if cops focused on real crimes.
Can't get them to even come out even when you have an accident......

Street racing and illegally modded cars aren't a crime???

Also if all cops went to all the accidents, who would be doing the police work???

As Aaron said, Police are specialised now and the workload is spread out! Just have to wait.

[Ashwee]

Today, driving along near an unmarked car, hung back a bit to avoid the hassles, a car pulls out blowing a tonne of blue smoke (hello EPA).. and who do they pull over? the completely harmless looking newish hilux from a plumbing company. Gotta love that crap.

[WATAJK]

Nah
No offense cops = duds all round.
I says this loudly n proudly and i dont care if its public u know.
Getting pull'd ovah for all the wrong reasons is juz bullshit.
Getting pull'd ovah for the right reasons fair enuff.

Defecting a car cause an intercooler isn't mounted correctly/hidden is a bloody joke. A car being a 1mm to low is a joke, no offense the lower ur car the less roll u have meaning the car is actually safer cuz your closer to the road.

Honestly i don't know with these cops..

[blasdf]

You just admitted to drink driving on a public forum.......... Be careful because anyone can read this section.

haha not much can be done when not even myself can say what my real limit was. but i should have said the drinking laws are different in nz and because i was skinny i felt the couple of beers i had were probably near what is an acceptable limit for my size, so i thought perhaps i was just over limit, but i didnt want to take that chance. but yet ive seen my mate drink like 8 beers and not be over the limit so really no concern from me my friend. but thanks for the heads up.

and do agree, was going to say, cops should be focussing on other issues. 3 murders in burleigh gold cost in 7 months said on news last night, made me thinkg really lots of more hardout crime goes on.

but in all fair ness to the cops around here, my general run in with them has been reasonable except for 1 cop at indy trying to get me for jay walking. i just think because ive had my run ins and now try to lie low key it has worked, but no doubt if i got some 20"s, lowered, did a few things to make me more attractive i would no doubt expect to get pulled over...yet being pulled up should always be random, no targetting which unfortunately happens when the government and media hype up certain issues....the big issue this decade has been boy racing..thanks fast and furious :(

[tec it]

i usually find it pretty successful to be very polite to the cop even if you want to go hectic on him and snap his neck, they usually respect you back and let you off.

[redefine]

no offense the lower ur car the less roll u have meaning the car is actually safer cuz your closer to the road.


not true...if you lowere the sussy so teh roll centre is above the centre of gravity, body roll gets progressively worse the lower you go...

but i get ur point dude...1mm is a joke...

i got pulled over the other day for speeding...i deserved the fine, cop was fair. but i was just lucky. way too many stories of cops being dicks for me to trust this one experience

[shadou]

Nah
No offense cops = duds all round.
I says this loudly n proudly and i dont care if its public u know.
Getting pull'd ovah for all the wrong reasons is juz bullshit.
Getting pull'd ovah for the right reasons fair enuff.

Defecting a car cause an intercooler isn't mounted correctly/hidden is a bloody joke. A car being a 1mm to low is a joke, no offense the lower ur car the less roll u have meaning the car is actually safer cuz your closer to the road.

Honestly i don't know with these cops..

I've worked the industry and lowered with chop springs is a fairly common practice, so your statement of lower to ground = better is not necessarily true.
Other than that I've had no problems with police, I drive sensible with a lowered car on p plates and I live right down the road to a police station.

[Oxer]

Want my honest opinion?
Cops see a numba plate that gives an idea its modified, bang ur pick'd on
They see a P plate, bingo again


Yeah I suppose the number plate [FAIL] does send across the wrong message haha.. Ahwell.. Wont be putting that on my civic :D


You will never beat a cop. A cop is always right. Good luck to them I say, treat people how you wish to be treated. :wave:

[WATAJK]

Yeah I suppose the number plate [FAIL] does send across the wrong message haha.. Ahwell.. Wont be putting that on my civic :D


You will never beat a cop. A cop is always right. Good luck to them I say, treat people how you wish to be treated. :wave:

Its like challenging a fine, Good luck, courts are in favour of the cops especially when ur a p plater haha

[Nepolian]

Its like challenging a fine, Good luck, courts are in favour of the cops especially when ur a p plater haha

Courts are generally in favour of common sense and law. The people who dont get it, usually dont get the law!

Just remember that everyone has the right to make a formal complaint if they feel they have been inappropriately dealt with, whether it is by a cop or council worker etc....its easy, find out what station they're from and talk to the superior about what happened.

Remember, people find it hard to be objective in the heat of the moment!

[BURST]

Not much you can do now.... Back then there were "cops". Now you have "general duties", "highway patrol", "detectives". They are specialised now that you can't ask a highway patrol cop to become a detective and solve crimes. So the highway patrol cop keeps doing what he does best. Catching people for speeding and pick on modified cars.


They do have different roles now, but I think they (government/police, whoever puts them into the specialised forces) have been focusing too much on the highway patrol section. I see highway patrols, and unmarked cars everywhere, surely they don't need that many of them. Time to re-train cops to do other work too.

But with that said, I haven't had any bad experiences. Actually all my experiences have been pretty good. All I've had is a little mention that my exhaust is too loud, nothing about my ride height.

[aaronng]

They do have different roles now, but I think they (government/police, whoever puts them into the specialised forces) have been focusing too much on the highway patrol section. I see highway patrols, and unmarked cars everywhere, surely they don't need that many of them. Time to re-train cops to do other work too.

That's because the highway patrol are the ones that roam the street. General duties and detectives only go from station to the crime scene (and to get a donut). They are usually parked at the station car park. So we will see many more highway patrol cars than general duties cars on the street.

[redefine]

Just remember that everyone has the right to make a formal complaint if they feel they have been inappropriately dealt with


that dosent mean its gonna be appropriately dealt with after the complaint...

[Nepolian]

that dosent mean its gonna be appropriately dealt with after the complaint...

Well, if thats the case, you can go home and sit down with a box of tissues and get a cuddle from mum :rolleyes:

[beeza]

But I definitely feel cops use personal feelings and human emotions to pull over people and react. Which really, they should be hooked up to a matrix machine, have all their thoughts wiped from memory and be programmed to only use the law and be matter of fact, no personal feelings...sure this will never happen, but that's the problem people face..

Hey,I like the way you think :wave:

[burner42]

damn flu, can't get to sleep, but anyhow while i do agree some cops may be a bit annoying sometimes, but bear in mind that they have to deal with all the bs while we go on with our merry life's. I know of a few, they're pretty reasonable people, just last Tuesday night while one of them was on duty, while i was chatting to him, a call came over on his radio, a pedestrian was hit by a car. At that moment, i was glad that it wasn't me that had to deal with that mess. Another cop told me that he had to leave because of what he saw when he arrived at an accident where a young family was involved in. So yeah just my 2 cents, sure sometimes they are pricks, but they're the ones that are willing to deal with the mess when most of us aren't willing to do.

[mrwillz]

becareful out there this weekend boys along with the blitz

im still hearing more stories of defects, so definately somethings going on lately

[Fo55il]

Mrwillz got defected again !!!!!!!!!

for beign F*cking sexy

lots of love
fossil
:)

[DOHCTR Coopz!]

daaang... sorry to hear mrwillz & everyone else. I've been rather lucky.. *touch wood*

Well reading everyones stories, I think its important for us to do something different!

Let's all be vigilant! Let's ALL study/understand the laws. Let's be educated, and let the ignorant getz teh pwn3dz!~ Don't let the cops think we're dumb, stupid and ignorant...

As someone else stated earlier, we should carry a copy of the laws/legislation in our cars so when we do get pulled over we have 'legal' facts to support us. These 'fresh' laws are getting out of hand... As law enforcement officers, are they not required to show us the law in which we are breaching? The police do not have the right to walk all over us, and we can't be scared to speak up or against them. Less we not forget that we have rights as citizens! Just maintain the respect when you speak with them, and between each other... :)

[mocchi]

me like way you think true

[beeza]

Yeah great work on the heads up MrWills!!

[DNYALL]

haha I went down to healesville main street to get some food just befor. while i was waiting, i went to my mates bar and chilled there for a bit. he told me there were 8 undercover cops doin a blitz in healesville tonight :o I drove home very cautiously...

[BIGTYM]

Hay Mr.Wilz finally saw your car on the road over the weekend. Cruising down Wanda st. Mulgrave. Would have gave you a hoot but I wasn't in my Civic.

Cars looks very clean bro

[mrwillz]

Hay Mr.Wilz finally saw your car on the road over the weekend. Cruising down Wanda st. Mulgrave. Would have gave you a hoot but I wasn't in my Civic.

Cars looks very clean bro

sat night yo!

wanda street em1 gangstahz

[mrwillz]

stop spamming my thread

reported post to wynode, he will delete your posts for me.

[spastic]

my friend got defected other night rims 2" bigger than stock too low exhuast too loud.
pwn3d.

[WATAJK]

it's gettin realli bad this defect issue..
Mate of mine spent $1500 on angel eyes for his bmw, money was spent right cuz he got auto levelin..
Copper got owned when trying to defect him, since they auto level themselves, HID's are at 4000k.. Just pure GG :)

[Neesmo31]

Thats terrible - i would seriously look into the laws for anything that specifically asks for "suspension rates/stiffness rules" and youll probably find hes just made it up. Also its like speeding - they have to get proof of you speeding on the radar to fine you, your cop mate did a simple push on the car its too stiff test - wheres the numbers/data to indicate that it is too stiff (if there even is such a law)

My last couple of run ins have been a cop who specifically said i was doin 72, yeah actually said "i reckon you were going 72" when i seen the rbt station coming up ahead and rolled up to them. Then the same cop pulled me over for a rbt and licence check - then asked me if my car has a BOV lol. I get soooo frustrated because i drive sensibly (now) but because its a yellow sports car with a wing i get targeted.

Everyone keep your wits about you the next couple of weeks because of the holiday season, double fines and demerits, stay outta trouble so we can all enjoy our cars next year.

PS be safe over the holidays.

:wave:

[beeza]

Good advice!

be careful out there.

[redefine]

i would seriously look into the laws for anything that specifically asks for "suspension rates/stiffness rules" and youll probably find hes just made it up.

:wave:

the laws state the suspension must retain 2/3rds of the stock sussy travel...just putting it out there :wave:

[beeza]

^^Yes!

Great one.

[Neesmo31]

Ahh ok kewl thanks for clearing that up! Cop pushing on my panels would have me spewing not to mention a dinted panel. grrr !!!

[redefine]

well its still sus, i would be wanting to see numbers...as if they can tell just by pushing down on the car...do they have an indepth knowlege of the stock sussy, and how much travel there is....grrr

[beeza]

Totally.But the main point is no-one knows the law,by design.

[Neesmo31]

I mean if the police want to charge you with something, they have to have evidence. They have to provide the figures, like speeding, noise testing, emissions, things like that, they cant just say its too stiff and book you. I would contest it. At least if they make you go and get it tested, it will give you time to change them back to stock lol.

[beeza]

U wanna test me boy!

hehe,they win.

[Neesmo31]

Pretty much though sometimes its just better to cop a defect fine otherwise you will get into more trouble than you first thought lol.

[beeza]

yup yup yup

[[Cukup-1]]

wah .... cops are so annoying! Honda drivers dont hoon so at least they should let us go with a little modification sigh! good thing SA cops is not so tough i think, but SA is following the P plate no turbo next year

[Fo55il]

farkkkkk offffffff

as if honda drivers dont hooooonnnnnn

[mrwillz]

so I got a letter, been epa'd

my twin loop barely rumbles.

[Fo55il]

thats bs bro,
i been in it
n its not loud at all.

[RtN]

I passed my blue slip with my twin loop LOL

[Koas_Lude]

LOL @ that bullshit
See those are the sort of cops that annoy me.
When it comes to the lights i aboslutely fly off but to shit the copper ill stop and keep within the speedlimit haha :D
When the next set of lights come, i do a head check, giving me a dirty look..
Felt sorry he couldnt book me lol

Well he could of booked you for that if he wanted to

It's called Unnessicary Acceleration I have been done for it before was let off with a "warning"

But I have some of the worst run ins with Police possible

When I got raped I was driving an EG6 Sedan Twin Carb the story is as follows :
It was 2am in Acacia Ridge I was driving home from a mates place

Cops were going the opposite direction down Beaudesert rd

Me being the only car on the road and me having a Honda made this a prime U-turn moment

They pulled me over and asked me to step out of the vehicle

I agreed

They then decided I was on some type of illegal substence because I was shaking but I was in a shirt and shorts (It was ****ing cold!!)

So this was of course prime for the soberity test and a call to the drug dogs and back up

My car was stripped Seats,Subs and boot carpeting and thrown out on the foot path

It was the concluded I was not on anything so I was left with a HAHA! You havent got your P plates on Fine!

So I copped the fine but I was Undoubtedly pissed about the Stripping of said car and being left to pick up the peices at 2am in the middle of Acacia Ridge

[Fo55il]

wtf is a eg6 sedan twin carb ?

[SHOGUNOVDDRK]

Gir is NOT a Chick Magnet.

[WATAJK]

Mmmm i actually have a question and i dont wanna start a new thread...
CF Hoods are illegal unless ADR approved or engineer approved...
Now,
are CF Wings illegal aswell?
Like the DC5R Mugen CF Wing?

Thanks

[jdm_b16a]

I mean if the police want to charge you with something, they have to have evidence. They have to provide the figures, like speeding, noise testing, emissions, things like that, they cant just say its too stiff and book you.

Oh yes they can. They have the power to inflict any sort of defect pain on you that they deem necessary to keep the streets clear of hoons and other modified car nuisances. They have a mandate from the incumbent Government, elected by the people of your State. Sorry but they don't have to produce any evidence other than their own judgement.

If you decide to take it to court you will be up for much more (even if you win) than the cost of the fine and they know that. Unless you are silly enough to try and defend yourself, you will need a Solicitor, and you will probably appear in court at least two or three times because the case cannot proceed until the Police provide the State Prosecutor with a Brief of Evidence and they will take their sweet time in doing that. Each time you go to Court you will lose a day's pay (unless you have holidays owing), your Solicitor charges upwards of $100 an hour, and even if you win in the end you will pay a $60 court costs fee (at least here in NSW) and if you don't pay the court costs with 14 (or 30) days it doubles.

Been there, done that. Either way you lose, so be polite, cop the fine, get it cleared and be the wiser next time 'round.

Peter

[WATAJK]

Oh yes they can. They have the power to inflict any sort of defect pain on you that they deem necessary to keep the streets clear of hoons and other modified car nuisances. They have a mandate from the incumbent Government, elected by the people of your State. Sorry but they don't have to produce any evidence other than their own judgement.

If you decide to take it to court you will be up for much more (even if you win) than the cost of the fine and they know that. Unless you are silly enough to try and defend yourself, you will need a Solicitor, and you will probably appear in court at least two or three times because the case cannot proceed until the Police provide the State Prosecutor with a Brief of Evidence and they will take their sweet time in doing that. Each time you go to Court you will lose a day's pay (unless you have holidays owing), your Solicitor charges upwards of $100 an hour, and even if you win in the end you will pay a $60 court costs fee (at least here in NSW) and if you don't pay the court costs with 14 (or 30) days it doubles.

Been there, done that. Either way you lose, so be polite, cop the fine, get it cleared and be the wiser next time 'round.

Peter

I agree to disagree
I've challenge police officers 4 times, each time representing myself and each time have pulled an outcome to make myself happy to giving the copper the finger as i left the court house.
You can win court cases but the problem is that once you win one case, that copper will hold a GRUDGE yes, i repeat a GRUDGE against you to try get you back for making him look like an assole..
This cop in the Northern suburbs has tried 4 times and been rolled 4 times but knows both my cars and is ALWAYS an assole to me when he "randomly" pulls me over.

Any other cop is fine to me just this assole is a c*nt.
My offenses; illegal modification on my laser (underbody neons which weren't turned on at all that night), speeding 15km's over (the gun hadn't been tested that month therefore illegal to be used during that time frame as it needs to be monthly tested) and 2 hoon offenses which i didn't commit, my mates did the offenses but the cop blamed me (Had my car impounded twice, the book got thrown at me), the cop copt a lashing in court from the judge after my mate came forward for me and proved it was his tyre marks not mine and basically once again owned.. [My mates were let off the hook for being honest]

As the saying goes, the TRUTH always prevails dishonesty.

[dongsoo]

my ae86 trueno was EPA defected by an off duty cop who THOUGHT i was too loud... no testing was done.

it echoed in between city buildings and he thought it was too loud, despite the environment causeing distortions.

to be honest, it was ****ing loud and i deserved it... but i think he should have had to do a test before i had an epa defect.

oh well, aust is pretty bad like that, the reason i only live here for a couple of months per year now days (due to work)

[beeza]

I agree to disagree
I've challenge police officers 4 times, each time representing myself and each time have pulled an outcome to make myself happy to giving the copper the finger as i left the court house.
You can win court cases but the problem is that once you win one case, that copper will hold a GRUDGE yes, i repeat a GRUDGE against you to try get you back for making him look like an assole..
This cop in the Northern suburbs has tried 4 times and been rolled 4 times but knows both my cars and is ALWAYS an assole to me when he "randomly" pulls me over.

Any other cop is fine to me just this assole is a c*nt.
My offenses; illegal modification on my laser (underbody neons which weren't turned on at all that night), speeding 15km's over (the gun hadn't been tested that month therefore illegal to be used during that time frame as it needs to be monthly tested) and 2 hoon offenses which i didn't commit, my mates did the offenses but the cop blamed me (Had my car impounded twice, the book got thrown at me), the cop copt a lashing in court from the judge after my mate came forward for me and proved it was his tyre marks not mine and basically once again owned.. [My mates were let off the hook for being honest]

As the saying goes, the TRUTH always prevails dishonesty.

That is an awesome story bro,thanks for sharing that!

Truth prevailing in the 'justice' system HA! :thumbsup: and that copper :p

[WATAJK]

Very welcome man, i'll letchu know about a girlfriend of mine with her Evo 7 TT (it's worked off it's ****, pulling 492.8kws need i say more why she's in court? lol) court case goes... Its been interesting lol She's worse then me lol

But thanks for reading man
Truth ftw =)

[beeza]

Fa-sure! :)

Damn,500kw's!!!

[WATAJK]

Fa-sure! :)

Damn,500kw's!!!

$150,000 she's put into it and being a lawyer does wonderful things >.>
Lucky bitch she is, always wanted her life haha

[Neesmo31]

By the sounds of that i want her! lol. jks mate. Yeah i try and be nice to police like say gday mate and how you going and stuff like that (in a non offensive way - i usually try and talk to them.) But i mean you get the nasty ones who have had a bad night and take out their rage on you. i had one pull me up and the first thing he said to me was "where are you going?" i said home, 'whos car is this?" i said mine, "rbt" i said ok then he just walked off. I thought that was very rude.

[burak213]

$150,000 she's put into it and being a lawyer does wonderful things >.>
Lucky bitch she is, always wanted her life haha

dude she has over 100K under that bonnet!!

[dongsoo]

"jesse dont do it, hes got at least 100k under that bonnet"

[Neesmo31]

Spoon injins!

[WATAJK]

hahaha
love that quote from F&F difference is its a chick driving not a guy :P


By the sounds of that i want her! lol. jks mate. Yeah i try and be nice to police like say gday mate and how you going and stuff like that (in a non offensive way - i usually try and talk to them.) But i mean you get the nasty ones who have had a bad night and take out their rage on you. i had one pull me up and the first thing he said to me was "where are you going?" i said home, 'whos car is this?" i said mine, "rbt" i said ok then he just walked off. I thought that was very rude.

she abit of a head**** though, nice girl though lol

[dongsoo]

"jesse dont do it, Shes got at least 100k under that bonnet"

:P

[Neesmo31]

lol oh good to see some humour after so many negative posts. Dont race Neesmo31 hes got over $100 under the bonnet!

[WATAJK]

Curiously guys i asked with no answa...
Carbon Fibre Wings are they illegal or not???
EG Mugen DC5R CF Wing????

[Neesmo31]

I think in qld even carbon wrapped components (or fully carbon products) are illegal as if you were to hit a pedestrian they shatter and will cut you, getting hit by a car wont hurt you but the carbon will cause a nasty cut. Fairly positive on that one. They may differ from state to state - where abouts are you?

[beeza]

$150,000 she's put into it and being a lawyer does wonderful things >.>
Lucky bitch she is, always wanted her life haha

A lawyer aye.

[WATAJK]

I think in qld even carbon wrapped components (or fully carbon products) are illegal as if you were to hit a pedestrian they shatter and will cut you, getting hit by a car wont hurt you but the carbon will cause a nasty cut. Fairly positive on that one. They may differ from state to state - where abouts are you?

Victoria...
Im talking about a Wing not the bonnet though

[M@lew]

Doubt it or at least noone cares. I have a cf side mugen wing on my DC5 and it's fine, especially because it only has the cf tips. Had a full cf one on my Jazz and never got asked about it.