[5th gen h22a Accord]bad vibration

[h22a accord]

hey guys, driving to sydney on the weekend (500km) and the car (5th gen h22a accord) developed a vibration under load through the car which overtime resulted in such a bad vibration that it seemed like i had eye wobblesbecuase the whole car was vibrating. i checked the wheel bearing, it was fine, the car had the same vibration in any gear but only under load.

couldnt for the life of me figure out what it was until i got under the car and checked it out, seems that this violent vibration is from the inner cv pot joint where it slides into the intermediate shaft, there is excessive free play in it.

i havnt had time to remove the shaft yet and inspect it but the vibration is getting really really bad.

anyone else had this problem with their 5th gen accord?

[h22a accord]

this problem went away but would resurface when you were giving the car a hard time or if you took it on a long trip, im thining the hotter it got the worse the vibration would get. it got to the point where it felt like the whole engine was wobbling side to side in the engine bay.

guys, the accord intermediate shaft bearing had failed, not sure why, maybe the extra load/torque from the h22a on the accord intermediate shaft.

Anyways, i had spare h22a prelude intermediate and drive shaft so i put that in and the problem is gone.

the prelude and accord intermediate shaft slides into the h22a gear box indentically but depending on which intermediate shaft you use means you have to use the corresponding drive shaft ie accord intermediate and drive shaft or prelude intermediate and drive shaft.


i did all the work myself at a mates mechanics workshop so it only cost be 70 bux to get the prelude drive shaft and c.v joints inspected, regreased and new boots fitted.

[h22a accord]

just a quick up date, everything re the vibration was good......... no vibration when driven around the city etc UNTIL i got on the open road, then it came back, then it would go away when i drove around slowly.

i jacked the car up and there was excessive free play in the passenger side front wheel bearing ( although i distinctly remember that there wasnt any play in the bearing when this vibration first became apparent.)

Me and a mate replaced the bearing ( its a bastard of a job) and all seems well for now, fingers crossed lol.

why we didnt suspect a wheel bearing at the very start is because 1) there was no free play in the wheel and 2) it never made a noise like a worn out wheel bearing does.

[VTEC96]

when i go 10 to say 40 ks i get this funny sound sounds like its from the bak but when i stik my head out of the window it sounds like it comes from the front drivers side, How much did it cost u to change the bearing urself. chance u give me step by step, i think i mite have this same problem. cheers

[h22a accord]

when i go 10 to say 40 ks i get this funny sound sounds like its from the bak but when i stik my head out of the window it sounds like it comes from the front drivers side, How much did it cost u to change the bearing urself. chance u give me step by step, i think i mite have this same problem. cheers


i could have got the front wheel bearing from honda for $165 ( my price ) i think i get about 30 percent off rrp.

i went to the bearing shop next door instead that a guy i went to school with owns, he got me a NSK bearing for $101.44

anyways, to do the change, you have to take off wheel, undo drive shaft nut, undo 2 bolts that hold the brake hose to the strut, undo upper control arm nuts in the engine bay, then swivel the whole hub out while you push the drive shaft back through the hub. undo the 4 bolts on the face of the disc rotor too.

then there is 4 bolts on the inside of the hub that hold the wheel bearing and brake rotor on the hub, undo them and bash out the bearing with a big arse hammer lolz ...then using a press push out the old bearing out of the rotor , then press the new the new bearing in and reverse the procedure.

thats basically it. job will be easier with a hoiust, air tools and a press.

[h22a accord]

guys, another update with the vibration.


all seemed fine until i took a trip to sydney, the vibration was back again and the freeplay was in the bearing, so i put a new bearing in, and there was still freeplay, we figured out why to.

it became apparent that whilst accord and prelude driveshafts and intermediate shafts are interchangeable, the outter c.v spline is too long ( so it sticks out too far where the drive shaft nut screws on)

this means that the nut can not possiblly be tightend until the bearing is held properly resulting in the freeplay in the bearing because the shaft runs out of thread before the nut is actually tight enough

so, out with the prelude shaft and intermediate shaft and back in with the accord driveshaft and intermediate shaft ( i did this the other day , you may have seen oics in the appearance gallery of the car on the hoist.

now we are back to square one, the intermediate shaft bearing is worn,( what i suspected when this saga began. we kinda noticed that b4 we put it back in but we wanted to double check with the accord shaft and the new wheel bearing to see if it was actually a fault of the bearing.

so, i went to honda to order a new intermediate shaft bearing, yeh, they can get one here in 2 weeks!!!! not good when im meant to be taking the car to sydney this weekend ( 1000km round trip )

so, what i am going to do this after noon is take out the accord drive shaft and intermdiate shaft, then take the accord shaft and the prelude shaft and get the outer cv from the accord shaft and put it on the prelude shaft at the local c.v recondintioner, then install the lude shaft and intermediate shaft with the accord outter cv joint

this way, we will have a good intermediate shaft ( the bearing is good) and a drive shaft that will allow the drive shaft nut to be tightened to specification.


ive got to do all this in work time too!!! lucky were not flat out today otherwise id be ferked lolz.

[wynode]

Damnn that sounds complicated but makes sense! Glad you figured out the problem though.

[VTEC96]

hey about this vibration shit my brother got a 95 accord when he goes just above 80ks and lets the acceleration go lettings the car roll on its own. his steering wheel vibrates like mad like his arm vibrates with the wheel lol he just got wheel alignment and wheel balance last month. what do you think the problem could be.

[h22a accord]

my vibration is when u are accelerating / engine under load.


well i did all that stuff to it the other day and the piece of shit is still vibrating.

I dont know what to do, ive spent 400 bux trying to fix it and its not fixed.

anyone got a match?

[VTEC96]

Hey dude dont kno if you fixed your problem or not, But other day i was told my front engine mount was cracked changed it and mi little vibration i had is gone. So thought mayb you could chek it out on yours.

[h22a accord]

i havnt fixed the problem, put another new wheel bearing in just to make sure it actually wasnt the wheel bearing. The vibration is really bad lol.

I bought a new front and rear engine mount on the weekend as the front one is totally screwed as you can feel where the rubber is broken( its only 30000km old ) the rear one seems to be screwed to, because if ride the clutch with the brakes on the motor rocks a full 3inches forward and back lolz and the rear mount supports the majority of the engines weight.

anyways, i just have to put the new mounts in and i'll see how i go.

if there is still a vibration i think i willget the balance shaft belt checked and the harmonic balancer checked.


glad u sorted out your vibration.

[VTEC96]

thanks, Yeah its something all honda owners or i think accord owners should check. Its a very common problem on the engine mounts are very weak.

[h22a accord]

weak! tell me about it!! when i fulled out the stock accord engine i s discovered that the front and the passenger side mount were broken.

I put the h22a in with a new front mount ( as said before ) and with a new prelude passenger side mount ( with a simple mod to fit )

anyways, i just replaced the front engine mount and 70 percent of the vibration is gone.

I'll tackle the rear engine mount when i can, its a much bigger job, in the meantime i have a spare modified prelude mount to replace the existing mount. im gonna change that for good measure.

[VTEC96]

Great news. Make sure u do change that rear mount lol

[h22a accord]

yeah, i think i'll pay the mechanics next door to do it!!

last night, was changing the passenger side mount, had a tyre lever between the engine and the mount for leaverage so the holes for one of the bolts would line up, i had to hold the tyre lever and got my mate to start puttting the bolt in while saying to him " make sure that its in properly so u dont cross thread it"

have a guess what he did? faaark! cant for the life of me find a spare bolt in all my bits lying around.

[raziel]

did the same thing with my passenger side mount , bloody things never line up easily... have to have another look at my engine mounts as I have a vibration at anything over 80 kmh ... thanks for the tip

:)

[h22a accord]

update, i had a bent drive shaft, fixd that but the ****ing vibration is stil ther and just as bad! Feels like the passenger wheel is goin 2 fall off. It clunks & sqeals & wobbles the whol front of the car during acceleration and deceleratin. If i put clutch in it disapears. I cant feel it thru the steering or brakes but the car tramlines under hard accelration. If i jack car off ground ther is no freeplay anywhere. What the **** is wrong with it?

[Spoon-Accord]

also cam
u know that front engine mount.. buy a new bolt is is about 20mm longer..

my can undone somehow.. now i got a longer one.. see where it can go now :D

Kenny

[h22a accord]

dude, that bolt isnt & wont come loose. Its long enough.

[h22a accord]

Hey all, some of u might have been reading over the past few months about a bad bad vibration and how i have been tring to find out what it is..in that process we have fixed a few things along the way, namely a couple of wheel bearings and engine mounts that needed replacing anyways.

I just had it up on the hoist and we ran it in gear and have discovered a bent drive shaft!!!!

im happy now, u may ask why but its because i can see whats wrong with it!!!!


so....time to bugger around. I have a spare shaft which i'll get the inner and outter c.v joints connected to then fingers crossed it should be fixed.


How the hell do i get a bent drive shaft?

my only conclusion could be is that the prelude shaft i am using is out of a front cut that had a decent accident on the passenger side front.

[h22a accord]

hey all, still have this vibration, its terminal now.

I had the car in at a transmission specialist and they thought it was the inner c.v joints

So i took the car to a c'v joint specialist and they drove the car and then told me that the inner c.v joints on hondas are pretty much throw away items once they are wornout.
the told me that they are dear as poison to buy new ones and rare as rocking horse shit to find 2nd hand.

Luckily the boys at honbits hepled me out and i have a pair of h22a inner c.v joints coming.

i'll take the shafts out and drop them off at the c.v specialists along with the good c.v joints and wee what happens when i get it all back together.

[h22a accord]

update guys.

still tracing this vibration, replaced the drivers side inner c.v joint ( had a slight tear in the boot, over a very long time all the grease came out but did not make a huge mess) and basically had no grease in it so it cooked it and screwed it up.

Also, when i put the car on the hoist to do this work the passenger side wheel bearing which i had replaced 3 times before was worn out severly.

so, ordered another wheel bearing, talked to my mate the mechanic who had on every previous occasion when replacing the bearing just used a big ass hammer to belt it out of the hub and back in....... DUMB ASS in doing so damaged the hub which is causing new wheel bearings to vibrate and wear out.

So, i have ordered another hub and when it gets here i will be getting installing that along with the new wheel bearing and putting back in both drive shafts and fingers crossed this whole shit fight that cost over $1000 to date will be fixed.

[h22a accord]

The vibration is finally gone, fixed it on friday......replaced the drivers side inner c'v joint ( $100) replaced the passeger side hub and wheel bearing. ($210)

took the car to sydney and back on the weekend, 1050km trip and car is still sweet.


conclusion....in hindsight i think the problem was only the drivers side inner c.v joint and a broken front engine mount.

i had taken my car to 2 mechnics and none of them knew what was wrong with it so for me it was a process of elimination to fix the vibration.


So happy its fixed, car is like a new car to drive and you can get the power down with out it feeling like the engine and wheels are going to fallout/falloff.


the car has been suffering this vibration since october last year.

[ZC_CRX]

holly ***t man glad u finally fixed the problem wot a pain in the arse i hate wen u cant find the source of a serios prob like that

ne way congrats on fixin it. :thumbsup:

[h22a accord]

yeah, shits you to tears lol. I havnt had any issues with vibrations since i finally fixed it 2 months ago. yay!

[civiceg9]

I got some recon CVs about 2yrs ago both side.
I wonder could that be the problem