k20 conversion

[joe.teg]

hey guys

im thinking about doing a k20 conversion for my dc2

i was just wondering what exactly is involved in doing the conversion in regards to parts that i need.
Parts that im 100% sure ill need are:
K20Z
gearbox
driveshafts
wiring loom
ecu
hasport mounting kit
shift linkages

Im sure there are a few things ive missed so can you guys enlighten me as i need to get the conversion under was ASAP

Thanks
Joe

[EG5]

k swap header
Conversion harness
Hondata Kpro
Radiator ( you might want to upgrade it)
Shifter mount kit

[Samm928]

ENGINE/TRANNY (All gaskets/seals are considered "known to be needed" items)
----------------
K-series engine(K24/K20)
K-series tranny(Type-R/RSX-S/RSX Base)
K-series engine harness(RSX-S 02-04)
K-series charging harness(RSX-S 02-04)
K-series Alternator(For Engine of Choice)
K-series Starter(For Engine of Choice)
K-series ECU(RSX PRB 02-04) Plus Hondata K-Pro(Or JDM K-series ECU)
CRV Passenger side engine mount(needed for non-CRV K24 swaps)
Header(R-crew/DC/SSR)
Clutch/Flywheel(RSX-S)
RSX Type-S Oxygen Sensor(Primary)
RSX Type-S Knock Sensor(Only if not using RSX-S engine, Or repin stock Knock sensor)
RSX Type-S Clutch Slave Cylinder
RSX Type-S Halfshaft
RSX BASE Axles(For EG only, Swap inner joints) Or...
RSX-S Axles w/ B-series Outers(For EG again, Also rec. swapping inner joints)
RSX Type-S Throttle Body(Or Accord throttle body, depending on engine/intake)
RSX-S Intake Manifold(Or RBC/TSX/Accord)
Karcepts Throttle Body Adapter(only if using RBC)
Engine Mounts(Hybrid/Avid/Hasport)
Harness Conversion(Hybrid/Hasport/Sparkks)
Clutch Line(Hybrid Racing)

RADIATOR/COOLING (This is for using stock radiator)
-----------
Hasport Billet Hose Adapter(For Stock B/D series Fan switch/coolant temp sensor)
Perma-Cool PRM-19120 11"x10" Fan
TOP Rad Hose - RSX Type-S Top Hose(for EK/EG)
BOTTOM Rad Hose - 99-00 Civic Si Top Hose(for EK/EG)

SHIFTER PARTS
-----------
Karcepts Shifter mounting kit
RSX Type-S Shifter Box
RSX-S 02-04 Shifter Cables
Shift Parts to Connect Cables (OEM, easy)

EXHAUST PARTS (Must be custom welded, Can substitute for 2.5")
-----------
Kteller 3" Stainless Piping
3" in/out Muffler
Catalytic Converter if you choose to use one.

FUEL SYSTEM PARTS (Using stock fuel rail, minimum costs)
------------

EAR-991945ERL - Converts OEM fuel filter to -6 AN fitting
EAR-165056ERL - Converts OEM fuel rail to -6 AN fitting
RUS-610020 x 4 - Straight -6 AN Hose couplers
SUM-220166N x 3 - Straight cut -6 AN to -6 An hose, Ports on FPR.
RUS-610160 - 90 Degree -6 AN Coupler from fuel filter to FPR.
RUS-632070 - 10 feet -6 AN Hose
AEI-13109 - Aeromotive Fuel Pressure Regulator.
Walbro 190/255lph Fuel Pump(It's cheap, and worth it - www.hybrid-performance.com)

IF REMOVING POWER STEERING(with no A/C)
-------------
EP3 Idler pulley/bracket
Manual Steering rack, Or Loop P/S rack
K24 = 52" Serpentine Belt(works perfectly on mine)
K20 = 50.5" Serpentine Belt

IF KEEPING POWER STEERING (No A/C - With a current P/S rack)
-------------
K20 PS Pump
Jackson Racing Pulley - P/N: 052-154 (This will clear an EG hood with K20 swap, no hole...only cutting.)
52" Serpentine Belt(only for K20 - K24 = Unknown?)
02-04 RSX High pressure hose
3/8" I.D. hose
Oil cooler from Perma-Cool Industries P/N:1007 (for P/S fluid return line)

Fluid NEEDS:
-------
POWER STEERING FLUID - 2 Bottles
DOT3 Brake fluid - 2 Bottles
Coolant 50/50 Mix - 2 Bottles(3 to be safe/cover leaking or spillage)
MTF - 3 Bottles
OIL - 6 Quarts

RANDOM HOSES (Not totaly acurate for ALL swap configurations, keep in mind O.D. and I.D. measurements)
-------
10' 3/16" I.D. Hose (possibly not all swaps)
10' 1/4" I.D. Hose
10' 3/8" I.D. Hose
5' 3/4" O.D. Hose
5' 1" O.D. Hose (possibly not all swaps)

MISC BOLTS/Parts (This is mainly used if you buy Engine/Trans apart from one another)
-------
90034-P10-A01 X 6 clutch bolts
90011-PNA-B00 x 8 flywheel bolts
22103-PNA-003 pilot bearing
95701-12060-08 x4 tranny bolts
95701-12085-08 x 2 starter bolts
90027-PND-A00 starter bolt long
90025-PNA-000 bolt
95701-08055-08 x 2
90008-PNA-000 x 2 alternator bolts
90008-PPA-000 bolt
21351-PNB-000 cover for tranny to connect k24a with k20a2 type s tranny(only K24)
95701-06012-08 x 3 bolts


that i believe is the full parts list.

[jyh888]

Isn't a k20 conversion very expensive?? Why not opt for a k24 conversion from an accord euro

[Samm928]

Isn't a k20 conversion very expensive?? Why not opt for a k24 conversion from an accord euro

i think the cheapest k conversion with good gains would be from a k24 + dc5s or standard dc5 gearbox.


a jdm/audm k20a type r would be approx 9k for motor complete + 7k in parts and labour.

around there..

so 16k for a complete dc5r swap into your eg/ek/dc

[grifty]

damn 9k for a complete motor? just buy a statutory write-off accord euro. If your paitent one will come up and you should be able to snatch it up for 2-4k. then you could sell whats left over to regain some of your money.

[jyh888]

K24s are abundant and easy to source either from crv or accord euro.
2nd hand engine shouldn't cost no more than $2-3k

[newpaddy3]

^^ Bingo!! I don't know how you guys get these inflated prices in your heads...

[Tegzieboi_BAR]

Im sure ive seen complete JDM K20 packages for around $7 grand... importing/buying a half cut/wreck will certainly save u a few bucks.

[newpaddy3]

I've seen a JDM DC5 K20 half cut for $7K

And then individual engines for between $3-$4K

Look at Hybrid Racing, they are an American company that specialises in K swaps

[newpaddy3]

ENGINE/TRANNY (All gaskets/seals are considered "known to be needed" items)
----------------
K-series engine(K24/K20)
K-series tranny(Type-R/RSX-S/RSX Base)
K-series engine harness(RSX-S 02-04)
K-series charging harness(RSX-S 02-04)
K-series Alternator(For Engine of Choice)
K-series Starter(For Engine of Choice)
K-series ECU(RSX PRB 02-04) Plus Hondata K-Pro(Or JDM K-series ECU)
CRV Passenger side engine mount(needed for non-CRV K24 swaps)
Header(R-crew/DC/SSR)
Clutch/Flywheel(RSX-S)
RSX Type-S Oxygen Sensor(Primary)
RSX Type-S Knock Sensor(Only if not using RSX-S engine, Or repin stock Knock sensor)
RSX Type-S Clutch Slave Cylinder
RSX Type-S Halfshaft
RSX BASE Axles(For EG only, Swap inner joints) Or...
RSX-S Axles w/ B-series Outers(For EG again, Also rec. swapping inner joints)
RSX Type-S Throttle Body(Or Accord throttle body, depending on engine/intake)
RSX-S Intake Manifold(Or RBC/TSX/Accord)
Karcepts Throttle Body Adapter(only if using RBC)
Engine Mounts(Hybrid/Avid/Hasport)
Harness Conversion(Hybrid/Hasport/Sparkks)
Clutch Line(Hybrid Racing)

RADIATOR/COOLING (This is for using stock radiator)
-----------
Hasport Billet Hose Adapter(For Stock B/D series Fan switch/coolant temp sensor)
Perma-Cool PRM-19120 11"x10" Fan
TOP Rad Hose - RSX Type-S Top Hose(for EK/EG)
BOTTOM Rad Hose - 99-00 Civic Si Top Hose(for EK/EG)

SHIFTER PARTS
-----------
Karcepts Shifter mounting kit
RSX Type-S Shifter Box
RSX-S 02-04 Shifter Cables
Shift Parts to Connect Cables (OEM, easy)

EXHAUST PARTS (Must be custom welded, Can substitute for 2.5")
-----------
Kteller 3" Stainless Piping
3" in/out Muffler
Catalytic Converter if you choose to use one.

FUEL SYSTEM PARTS (Using stock fuel rail, minimum costs)
------------

EAR-991945ERL - Converts OEM fuel filter to -6 AN fitting
EAR-165056ERL - Converts OEM fuel rail to -6 AN fitting
RUS-610020 x 4 - Straight -6 AN Hose couplers
SUM-220166N x 3 - Straight cut -6 AN to -6 An hose, Ports on FPR.
RUS-610160 - 90 Degree -6 AN Coupler from fuel filter to FPR.
RUS-632070 - 10 feet -6 AN Hose
AEI-13109 - Aeromotive Fuel Pressure Regulator.
Walbro 190/255lph Fuel Pump(It's cheap, and worth it - www.hybrid-performance.com)

IF REMOVING POWER STEERING(with no A/C)
-------------
EP3 Idler pulley/bracket
Manual Steering rack, Or Loop P/S rack
K24 = 52" Serpentine Belt(works perfectly on mine)
K20 = 50.5" Serpentine Belt

IF KEEPING POWER STEERING (No A/C - With a current P/S rack)
-------------
K20 PS Pump
Jackson Racing Pulley - P/N: 052-154 (This will clear an EG hood with K20 swap, no hole...only cutting.)
52" Serpentine Belt(only for K20 - K24 = Unknown?)
02-04 RSX High pressure hose
3/8" I.D. hose
Oil cooler from Perma-Cool Industries P/N:1007 (for P/S fluid return line)

Fluid NEEDS:
-------
POWER STEERING FLUID - 2 Bottles
DOT3 Brake fluid - 2 Bottles
Coolant 50/50 Mix - 2 Bottles(3 to be safe/cover leaking or spillage)
MTF - 3 Bottles
OIL - 6 Quarts

RANDOM HOSES (Not totaly acurate for ALL swap configurations, keep in mind O.D. and I.D. measurements)
-------
10' 3/16" I.D. Hose (possibly not all swaps)
10' 1/4" I.D. Hose
10' 3/8" I.D. Hose
5' 3/4" O.D. Hose
5' 1" O.D. Hose (possibly not all swaps)

MISC BOLTS/Parts (This is mainly used if you buy Engine/Trans apart from one another)
-------
90034-P10-A01 X 6 clutch bolts
90011-PNA-B00 x 8 flywheel bolts
22103-PNA-003 pilot bearing
95701-12060-08 x4 tranny bolts
95701-12085-08 x 2 starter bolts
90027-PND-A00 starter bolt long
90025-PNA-000 bolt
95701-08055-08 x 2
90008-PNA-000 x 2 alternator bolts
90008-PPA-000 bolt
21351-PNB-000 cover for tranny to connect k24a with k20a2 type s tranny(only K24)
95701-06012-08 x 3 bolts


that i believe is the full parts list.

That list is for an EG, you will need to change some items to suit other makes of cars.

OR you can quote properly from other websites.

http://www.k20a.org/forum/showthread.php?t=20860

[joe.teg]

if i go for a k24 itll be with a k20 head and dc5r gearbox

[GSi_PSi]

you can pick up a k24 euro motor for under 1 grand

[mocchi]

you can pick up a k24 euro motor for under 1 grand

where abouts is that in syd?

[Samm928]

you can pick up a k24 euro motor for under 1 grand

why you still got a b20 if theres a k24 for 1k ?


damn 9k for a complete motor? just buy a statutory write-off accord euro. If your paitent one will come up and you should be able to snatch it up for 2-4k. then you could sell whats left over to regain some of your money.

accord euro is 4.5k stat write off.

only thing you can use is the motor and the loom and still with the loom you have to make modifications to it

[GSi_PSi]

Umm wreckers ive went to ive asked how much for the motor without the box theyve quoted me 1500, 1000 each.
Im considering K series for my Delsol we see how we go

[mike241091]

love the k20, good luck with it all

[phwoaaa]

dont forget the k20 box alone is 2.5k so that bumps it up to 3.5-4k ....

but yea k20a packages are getting cheaper and cheaper.. you can definately pick one up for 6k soon .

[Benson]

If you used the K20z wiring loom and gearbox, you'll need it to be re-pin and modified. The gearbox runs a electric speed pick-up sensor. You'll need a speed convector to convert the right signal to the ECU

Other than that, you'll need the basic Kswap conversion bits. - Mounts, Kpro, Kswap headers, Conversion harness, Kswap shafts

If you need any K-swap, shoot me a PM, i might have a few things lying around

[najdi]

^^ same what he said..got all that...k series ready to go in a eg if u need anything let me no

[Snoop_gee]

if ya'll make it out to be k24's are cheap
why is this http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?134301-FS-Wrecking-2005-Honda-Accord-Euro-Lux-in-Graphite 8k then !?!?! for just the motor.

*confused

[newpaddy3]

if ya'll make it out to be k24's are cheap
why is this http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?134301-FS-Wrecking-2005-Honda-Accord-Euro-Lux-in-Graphite 8k then !?!?! for just the motor.

*confused

Item One
For Sale: K24 Engine, Five Speed Triptronic Automatic and everything attached to it.
Conditions: Excellent! Still runs very well. 100,000KM's on the clock.
Price: $8000 ONO.
Pictures: On request. But it looks like every other stock standard K-Series.


Not just the engine mate.

[RPMTOY]

Below you will find information related to the K series engine swap.

K24a1-Honda CRV comes in with 9.6:1 compression and 2.4 liters of displacement. The motor is rated at 160hp at 6000rpm and 162 at 3600 rpm. This motor does not use the conventional VTEC mechanism from the earlier B series motors but does have VTC. Instead it only has 2 cam lobes on the intake side and 1 on the exhaust lob. This motor has no VTEC mechanism on the exhaust cam and runs on 12 valves before 2200rpm. It also has smaller ports than the Type S and Type R. The motor also comes with a 5 speed transmission instead of the 6 speed and has no LSD.

K24a2- The Acura TSX comes in with 10.5:1 compression and 2.4 liters of displacement. The motor is rated at 200hp at 6800rpm and 166lbs-ft at 4500rpm. This motor uses the conventional VTEC mechanism as the older B series motors but with the addition of VTC. This motor uses a drive by wire throttle and has EGR castings on the manifold. This motor comes with a 6 speed transmission and no LSD.

K24a4- the Honda Element and Accord come in with 9.7:1 compression and 2.4 liters of displacement. The motor is rated at 160hp at 5500rpm and 161lbs-ft at 4500rpm. This motor does not use the conventional VTEC mechanism from the earlier B series motors but does have VTC. Instead it only has 2 cam lobes on the intake side and 1 on the exhaust lob. This motor has no Vtec mechanism on the exhaust cam and runs on 12 valves before 2200rpm. It also has smaller ports than the Type S and Type R. The motor also comes with a 5 speed transmission instead of the 6 speed and has no LSD.

What K do I want?<BR

K20a-JDM ITR and CTR both come in with 11.5:1 compression and 2 liters of displacement. The Type R motor is rated at 220hp at 8,000rpm and 152lb-ft at 7,000 rpm. The CTR is rated at 200hp and 144lb-ft. Both of these motors have the same VTEC mechanism as the older B series motors but with the addition of VTC. It also has Larger cams, higher compression and larger intake manifold than the Type S motor. This motor comes with a 6 speed transmission and LSD. The 6-speed manual transmission uses multiple synchronizing cones for all gears, including a triple-cone synchronizer in 1st and 2nd gears and a double-cone synchronizer in 3rd through 6th gears.

K20a2-Acura Rsx Type S has 11.0:1 compression and 2 liters of displacement. The Type S is rated at 200hp at 7,400 and 142 lb-ft at 6,000 rpm. This motor also comes with a 6 speed transmission with no LSD. It has the same VTEC mechanism as the older B series motors but with the addition of VTC.

K20a3-Acura Rsx Base and Civic SI models come in with 9.8:1 compression and 2 liters of displacement. The Base motor is rated at 160hp at 6500rpm and 141lb-ft at 4000 rpm. This motor does not use the conventional VTEC mechanism from the earlier B series motors but does have VTC. Instead it only has 2 cam lobes on the intake side and 1 on the exhaust lob. This motor has no VTEC mechanism on the exhaust cam and runs on 12 valves before 2200rpm. It also has smaller ports than the Type S and Type R. The motor also comes with a 5 speed transmission instead of the 6 speed and has no LSD.
K24a1-Honda CRV comes in with 9.6:1 compression and 2.4 liters of displacement. The motor is rated at 160hp at 6000rpm and 162 at 3600 rpm. This motor does not use the conventional VTEC mechanism from the earlier B series motors but does have VTC. Instead it only has 2 cam lobes on the intake side and 1 on the exhaust lob. This motor has no VTEC mechanism on the exhaust cam and runs on 12 valves before 2200rpm. It also has smaller ports than the Type S and Type R. The motor also comes with a 5 speed transmission instead of the 6 speed and has no LSD.

K24a2- The Acura TSX comes in with 10.5:1 compression and 2.4 liters of displacement. The motor is rated at 200hp at 6800rpm and 166lbs-ft at 4500rpm. This motor uses the conventional VTEC mechanism as the older B series motors but with the addition of VTC. This motor uses a drive by wire throttle and has EGR castings on the manifold. This motor comes with a 6 speed transmission and no LSD.

K24a4- the Honda Element and Accord come in with 9.7:1 compression and 2.4 liters of displacement. The motor is rated at 160hp at 5500rpm and 161lbs-ft at 4500rpm. This motor does not use the conventional VTEC mechanism from the earlier B series motors but does have VTC. Instead it only has 2 cam lobes on the intake side and 1 on the exhaust lob. This motor has no Vtec mechanism on the exhaust cam and runs on 12 valves before 2200rpm. It also has smaller ports than the Type S and Type R. The motor also comes with a 5 speed transmission instead of the 6 speed and has no LSD.

What is I-VTEC? VTC?<BR

The "intelligentî I-VTEC system uses Variable Timing Control (VTC) to adjust "camshaft phasing." By varying oil pressure, VTC can continuously vary intake timing relative to the engine's exhaust timing. The result of I-VTEC is improved response and enhanced performance at low engine speeds and efficiency across a broad power band. This has been coined Hondas gift to tuners. From the factory VTC has not been optimized for pure performance. In the future look for the K series motors with the most power to be optimizing the VTC system.


What ECU will I have to use with my K series swap? <BR

Honda has installed its latest version of the immobilizer into its newer generations. This limits us on how to bypass this system. Luckily Honda of Japan gets an ECU that does not have the Type 3 immobilizer installed. Thus you can install a Type R ECU into your EG to allow it to crank with the necessary wiring. The other method requires the use of a Hondata K-pro. The K-pro has the ability to disable the immobilizer from within. In addition to allowing you to disable the immobilizer you will be able to adjust timing, fuel and crank angles. If you plan on going fast with you K motor than the K-pro should be your first purchase. For more information regarding the K-pro check out Hondataís website in addition to the Hondata notes found on hybrid-racing.com.

How will I shift the car? <BR

You will need to use the stock shifter box in the RSX. Then you will need to run the cables into the chassis and connect them to this unit.


Can you keep AC and PS? <BR

You will be able to keep AC with custom lines and condenser mounting. The PS will also work with custom lines and a custom hood.

I know that the EG has a return fuel system and the RSX has a return less system what do I do about the fuel system?<BR

You will need new fuel lines, new fuel rail and a new fuel regulator. This is due to the fact that the RSX motor has a return less fuel system and the EG/DC/EK chassis have a return fuel system. The Rsx does not have a Regulator on the fuel rail like the older style B, H, and D series motors.


Are there any clearance issues with the K series motor?<BR

The hood on your EG/DC/EK will fit with no modifications. We have tested the Invader style carbon fiber hoods and have not had fitment problems with these either.

On the DC/EG/EK chassis with power steering some lines will have to be rerouted and/or removed.


1. Mounts
2. Header
3. Axles
4. Harness
5. ECU
6. Fuel system
7. Radiator and hoses
8. Shifter Box
9. Coolant temp sensor/Fan switch
10. Intake
11. Mid Pipe
12. Shifter Cables
13. Throttle cable
14. Shifter linkage Clips
15. EP3 pulley and belt


dc2 k20 swap links.

http://www.modified.com/tech/modp-0912-project-dc2-integra-k-swap-guide-part-1/index.html

http://www.ek9.org/forum/builds-projects/3234-k20-dc2-project.html