stock airbox or custom intake?

[i_jazz_u]

been searching on ozhonade site and couldnt find a good answer, which is better

stock airbox with aftermarket panel filter along with a cai or a aftermarket/custom intake sri pod possible getting it boxed to make it legal running a cai system too

[threesix]

im no pro but for a Jazz i wouldnt bother. stock airbox with a K&N panel ftw.

[qning]

go for custom intake sri pod. it gives you abit more power and has a nice sound as well.

[Lukey]

sri w/o a box = bad heatsoak

[GU357]

ive seen that a pod filter attatchement can give abt 5 extra HP, but havent tested it.
but its bound to be better that the stock box, plus it will sound nicer.

[redefine]

with sri, my butt-dyno says it pulls a little harder, and revs more free in the high range. but its nothing massive

[EG52NV]

I'm running a Simota power chamber SRI, more induction noise, car has more oomph but I suspect it will definitely have more heat soak at the lights, cost $150..

[GU357]

Put it like this engine needs air if it has to suck it from a flat panel on an angle its going to have to suck harder, if u put a pod filter intake system on there its gonna require less to suck in the air. so of course it will be better.

LOL i bought a APEXi one cost me abt 200$
how can i tell if its SRI (short ram intake)??

[fillit]

short ram intake is short and fat, where the pod filter is positioned relatively close to where the stock airbox would be.

cold air intake is a long tube where the pod filter is located in a position where it can suck in the most amount of air from outside, on the jazz around where the right fog light is.

[trism]

Please don't keep this thread going. If you check out the noob forum there's a big post from me explaining all this.

[EG52NV]

Please don't keep this thread going. If you check out the noob forum there's a big post from me explaining all this.

Does your post relate specifically to a Jazz? Because the airbox on a jazz is like a race track there's like 3 sections inside the 1 box

[flipfire]

Are simota filters any good? Never used them before...

Im looking at this type of carbon SRI:

http://img1.classistatic.com/cps/kj/110329/043r9/9525a6_19.jpeg

[trism]

Simota filters aren't bad.

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[GU357]

yeh i was looking into them but the box in the middle seemed like a big catchment for the air, more edges for it to hit screws up the flow...
thats why u never buy those flexi-expandable hose things for your intake just makes it worse.

i ended up buying the APEXi one because it seems to be the least restrictive (shortest pipe), even tho the air wont be cooler. atleast it doesnt have to suck harder, which is a problem with CAI's

[EG52NV]

Are simota filters any good? Never used them before...

Im looking at this type of carbon SRI:

http://img1.classistatic.com/cps/kj/110329/043r9/9525a6_19.jpeg

That's the exact one I'm running in my car!!

[EG52NV]

That's the exact one I'm running in my car!!

With a Mugen axle back the intake sounds pretty good, nothing compared to a b series with intake but still sounds pretty good..

[EG52NV]

yeh i was looking into them but the box in the middle seemed like a big catchment for the air, more edges for it to hit screws up the flow...
thats why u never buy those flexi-expandable hose things for your intake just makes it worse.

i ended up buying the APEXi one because it seems to be the least restrictive (shortest pipe), even tho the air wont be cooler. atleast it doesnt have to suck harder, which is a problem with CAI's

The box in the middle is kinda similar concept to the whale penis intake...

[flipfire]

That's the exact one I'm running in my car!!

oh kool. Is the filter washable?

How much did you pay for yours?

[EG52NV]

oh kool. Is the filter washable?

How much did you pay for yours?

Yeah all Simota filters are washable paid about $150

[0101]

I also use the Simota filter which give you pretty nice sound + better performance on high rev........you can get it from eBay, I got mine one from eBay as well !!!

[dle]

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f236/duyed/DSC01207.jpg
im currently using this its really good.
Gruppe M

[EG52NV]

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f236/duyed/DSC01207.jpg
im currently using this its really good.
Gruppe M

If you have a spare $300-400 yeah I say go ahead, but remember it just a Jazz..

[EG52NV]

Once you install the intake, make sure you reset the ecu (disconnect the negative terminal from the battery for at least 10-15mins) how you will know it's been done successfully is if your clock has been reset... Start the car and idle for 10 mins and then away you go.

This allows the ECU to re-learn the benefits of your new intake and adjust it's parameters, did that today and the car is a lil more responsive.

[trism]

You don't need to idle it.

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[Poeter]

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f236/duyed/DSC01207.jpg
im currently using this its really good.
Gruppe M

I got one too. Really good just as you said.

[mao]

Trism is right again! Do any of you guys have any form of computer control on the car to adjust the AFR mixtures and timing? If you dont, putting on any air filter wont do anything and might even slow the car down, other than giving you a suction noise under acceleration.

How I know? I happen to own a Dynapack 5000 AWD Dyno.

[type-Spaz]

^^ thats a fun looking air filter. lol

I made a custom air intake for my car out of some intercooler piping I bought and modified and a K&N air filter

[EG52NV]

Trism is right again! Do any of you guys have any form of computer control on the car to adjust the AFR mixtures and timing? If you dont, putting on any air filter wont do anything and might even slow the car down, other than giving you a suction noise under acceleration.

How I know? I happen to own a Dynapack 5000 AWD Dyno.

AFR control is used to maximize the benefits of intake header and exhaust mods but weather a car increases in peformance is not soley dependent on having an AFR controller. A less restricive intake and exhaust will still provide a slightly better improvement over stock, and it won't make your car go slower unless you do something stupid like put in a 3" exhaust causing you to loose back pressure or position the pod where it only sucks in hot air or water...

[flipfire]

Doesnt the stock ECU automatically adjust the AFR to compensate for the different amounts of air it takes in?

I looked at the stock airbox and its like silly straw before it even reaches the panel filter. It looks very restricting.

The replacement standard panel filters and were like $40-60. So i might as well get something thats re-washable and sounds better. The gruppe M looks neat but way to expensive.

[threesix]

in real terms how much extra power/driving feel/sound etc would just replacing the stock filter with say a drop in k&n filter on a civic or jazz?

[flipfire]

Id say nothing, its still like the stock filter in a stock box. Maybe sound a little different if it uses different filtering media

[threesix]

hmmmm. might try one in my hybrid...

[EG52NV]

Id say nothing, its still like the stock filter in a stock box. Maybe sound a little different if it uses different filtering media

It's a Fricken race track in the stock air box lol

[EG52NV]

Doesnt the stock ECU automatically adjust the AFR to compensate for the different amounts of air it takes in?

I looked at the stock airbox and its like silly straw before it even reaches the panel filter. It looks very restricting.

The replacement standard panel filters and were like $40-60. So i might as well get something thats re-washable and sounds better. The gruppe M looks neat but way to expensive.

Alternatively buy a k&n drop in panel and remove the bottom section (there's 3 sections in the stock airbox) of the air box using a dremel, just cut along the line... That way no more restrictive race track which the air needs to be sucked through, still looks legal (filter is now exposed but only if you look from under the car), more induction noise and still mounts neatly..

Down side is you need to modify the stock airbox, and it doesn't look as cool as if you were to had CF parts in your engine bay...

[GU357]

Trism is right again! Do any of you guys have any form of computer control on the car to adjust the AFR mixtures and timing? If you dont, putting on any air filter wont do anything and might even slow the car down, other than giving you a suction noise under acceleration.

How I know? I happen to own a Dynapack 5000 AWD Dyno.

This is very true, although unlikely as it is still less restrictive unless the cars intake was perfectly proportional and tuned at stock.
you should disconnect the negative termanal of the battery for 10mins and then put it back on should reset the ECU, u can tell because the clock will be be reset.

just make sure what u do to the 'in' u must do to the 'out', equations have to balance.

[flipfire]

I looked at the grill this afternoon i thought it was open for cold airflow but the radiator or aircon condenser is actually blocking the way. I dont understand how the gruppe M intake works then...

[Nepolian]

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[flipfire]

yeah but the gruppe m intake looks like it gets its fresh charge of air near the grill but that area is blocked by the radiator?.. its feeding it warm air if at all...

[trism]

There's an ever so slight gap there. Just enough to draw cold air.

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[flipfire]

Oh aight.. anyway i got my simota carbon intake today.. tiniest intake and pod ive ever seen... hopefully its worth the $80 i paid

[EG52NV]

what!? $80 only!! where from?

[trism]

thats a score fo sho

[ouch]

anyone know where i can get a 90degree intake pipe? other than like autobarn or supercheap that want to charge me $50.

[trism]

thats about it. or try ebay.

[Nepolian]

And wait for weeks! And then you realized you should have just got the one from Autobarn. Ubercheap may be cheaper!

[flipfire]

what!? $80 only!! where from?

Gumtree... some guy bought it brand new but it didnt fit his GE jazz cause it has a square MAF plug instead of round. He could have just bought a new elbow but i dont think he knew

[flipfire]

I fit the simota intake today.. throttle more responsive. Sounds great, i thought it would be a lot louder but its actually not that noticeable unless you rev hard or high. Also looks great as it matches the engine bay.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10371015/simotaintake.jpg

The idle fluctuates a little at the lights from heatsoak i think. Might need to make a heatshield and add a cold air feed.

[TGZ80Y]

Toda custom air intake with k&n filter was selling it for $150 now $90 firm.

Check my topics

[EG52NV]

I fit the simota intake today.. throttle more responsive. Sounds great, i thought it would be a lot louder but its actually not that noticeable unless you rev hard or high. Also looks great as it matches the engine bay.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10371015/simotaintake.jpg

The idle fluctuates a little at the lights from heatsoak i think. Might need to make a heatshield and add a cold air feed.

Fitment looks exactly the same as mine yay!

[sdx91]

i got a stock airbox. is it worth buying k&n filter? or go straight for sri/cai?

[GU357]

i got a stock airbox. is it worth buying k&n filter? or go straight for sri/cai?

get a SRI or CAI, changing the filter willl make minimal difference because the box is still a P.O.S.

and also here's my Apexi one, give the car a real suction sound even at idle.
sounds like someone put a vucuum in there with the engine xD,
http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z332/GU357/diagrams/20110519_005.jpg

[trism]

And if you read the thread you'll get an answer that is no don't get a Sri, just do a cai.

Sent from my custard cannon like Peter North.

[GU357]

yes true the CAI is technically better so yeh go CAI, im thinking of changing over too.

maybe get the TODA of fillit.but CBF and the resistance in using a CAI is much greater because of the extended pipe, causes problems at high end revs.

in a perfect world the power graph of a car would be straight and linear according to the RPM, but due to things like long air intake pipes this creates and effect and causes resistance at high revs.
plus i plan on doing someowork inside the engine bay to make the honeycomb breathable

[sdx91]

hmm are those cheap $50 ebay sri worth it?
what about this cai? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3984Q2em1439Q2el2649QQ itemZ270715201222QQsspagenameZSTRKQ3aMEWNXQ3aIT is it worth it?

[GU357]

that wonmt fit urs thats a ge one surely cos its also for an 08... unless its a american ahaha, i am gonna sell my apexi one soon good pod but i wanna get a mushroom one.

[Paul.Z]

i am also going through this dilemma...let me know if you guys find a place that sells cheap CAI's :P

[sdx91]

haha yeh let me know if u find one paul and ill let u know :D
whats the diff between normal pods and mushroom pods??