Fake bucket seats

[gr3y123]

Can you get a fine for having fake bucket seats in your car?

[EKVTIR-T]

Yeah from the fashion police on ozhonda..

Seriously though,to be legal they need to have ADR certification.


Seats
Owners should ensure that the seat and its anchorages comply with any applicable ADR requirements (possibly by
cer tification from the seat manufacturer or by an engineering signatory) and the appropriate seat belts are fitted to
all seating positions.
Vehicle Standards Bulletin No. 5 issued by DOTARS covers requirements for the manufacture of additional seats.

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/downloads/vsi/vsi_06_-_guidelines_for_light_vehicle_modifications_nov_20 07.pdf

[Bulbasaur]

Yeah from the fashion police on ozhonda..

LMAO so true.

[Indie]

I'd rather have plain, cheap bucket seats than have a pair with fake Recaro badges stitched onto them.

[SuperJDM.]

im sure you could even get done for having red recaros in your black civic

[crobaa]

Police can fine you for anything they like. But as long as your rails are adr complianced and the seats are also adr complianced, no modifications had to be made to them at all then they are legal. Basically the only good brand that is adr is recaro

[tiksie]

Police can fine you for anything they like. But as long as your rails are adr complianced and the seats are also adr complianced, no modifications had to be made to them at all then they are legal. Basically the only good brand that is adr is recaro


Wrong.

If it didn't come in the car from factory than it is illegal.




Period.

[SuperJDM.]

if they want to get you for something theyll get you.

officer piglet let me off on my recaros but got me on other stuff yesterday

[crobaa]

Wrong.

If it didn't come in the car from factory than it is illegal.




Period.

No. If they come from a car with same chassis ie ss seats in standard commo it's legal. As long as no modification has to be made to fit them. Like super jdm said they will dick you for anything they want to even if it is legal. Only way around this is an engineers certificate which proves legality of your mod (although you shouldn't need one for recaros). I know definitely dc2 recaros in eg is fine. In an ek maybe not as the basic chassis is different.

[jeffreymui]

Wrong, my friend got defected with recaros in his eg. everything is that not from factory = defect, unless u can prove to the cops urs is an import which recaros came with the car stock factory, or else its a defect! it is not about the rails, they defect you for a reason, scared that ur bolts might come off when u crash or its not torque-ed to the australian standard. Its for safety reasons. If u want to mod, you dont really care about defect anyway

[eg5civic]

get a mod plate and they wont hassle you about it simple as that.

I got defected for too low and wheels out of guards, he asked about fixed back and stripped rear interior and showed him mod plate/cert for 2 seater and fixed back and he said thanks for doing the right thing and left it at that

[crobaa]

You are all so dumb. I stated already that just because a cop defects you for it doesn't necessarily mean it's illegal. An engineers certificate deems it structurally safe and installed correctly and to australian standards. By your logic if I install my own spark plugs and don't torque them down properly that's a defect too. Worst case scenario even with an engineers cert you can fight in court, it's a legal document also signed by Vicroads. Just because you know someone who got defected with recaros doesn't mean it's illegal

[tiksie]

Even if you have an engineers certificate, they can still defect you for putting a non-standard part on your car.. The only difference is that you can get it cleared right away. This is the absolute worst case scenario if the police officer wants to be a real jerk.

Moral of this story, if you put something that's not standard on your car, that is a defect and that is illegal.

My friend got defected for have Recaros in his DC2R.. Even though they came out standard.

Having ADR approved seats doesn't make it legal to be used on the street, however, it will be all good for CAMS approval to be used on the track if scrutineers are picky.

[crobaa]

Lol your friend got defected for standard seats?

[tiksie]

Shit happens like I said.

Not a nice thing to call everyone dumb when what you are saying is clearly wrong. A lot of the guys on here have been in the game for a long time.. So sometimes you should stop and listen. Or in this case; read.

Everything is illegal in this nanny state. It's bullshit.

[crobaa]

Firstly you started off your post quite rudely with the word wrong. Don't appreciate that one bit. Secondly what I'm saying is 100% right and totally by the book. What you are saying is right too, cops can defect you for legal mods. But your statement that any mod to a car is illegal is simply not true. I been out with mates who have had their entire floor cut out, chassis cut in half and new clip welded in, mini tubs etc.. Been pulled over and just handed over a certificate and not a problem. By law that is 100% legal. I only reply to posts in the same manner that people post to me

[GU357]

I read through the ADR compliance PDF a while back

Any change in the seating capacity is illegal unless certified by an engineer.

And pretty much all modifications are considered illegal if the car did not come with those parts, however if those parts were an optional accessory for that vehicle but was not purchased with the vehicle but was installed later, then it will be considered legal.

No replica bucket seats are ADR compliant.
and even then only some Recaros meet ADR ie the SR3 and 4.
but then ontop of that the rails have to be compliant, which means bride rails are a NO.

so unless you have a integra vtir and are putting Bucket seats and rails from a type R in then its a no.

but who cares they pull you over what are they gonna do??

here in WA they give u a sticker and then u take it down to the pits within a week, so that gives you time to take it back to stock.

[GU357]

Velo also make a ADR compliant Fixed bucket seat, but they dont say if their side mounts are ADR.

[Lukey]

Everything is illegal in this nanny state. It's bullshit.

nsw aint a nanny state compared to vic!

[SuperJDM.]

i dunno but from what ive seen from the noob forums tiksie has a lot of haters or is a hater LOL

btw i wasnt calling him what i thought the picture ment i was just asking is that what it ment LOL

[crobaa]

This part from gu357

And pretty much all modifications are considered illegal if the car did not come with those parts, however if those parts were an optional accessory for that vehicle but was not purchased with the vehicle but was installed later, then it will be considered legal.

The term vehicle applies to cars with same chassis. I am still 100% correct in that any mod can be made legal with engineers approval. Tiksie you are bringing no useful info to this argument other than 'this happened to my mate so must be true'. You can legally run any ADR seat/rail combo with engineers. If the car has the same chassis code then no engineers is needed. By chassis code I don't mean eg, dc or whatever, there's some other code only used on a design/manufacturing level that links cars together I don't know what's it's called. Manufactures use it to more easily introduce new models to the market.

[fillit]

Not disagreeing with the above post, however in the scenario where you do get defected by the popos (revenue raising) chances are you won't bother arguing about eng certs (needless to say the time and money spent to obtain one) and you will just put your stock seats back in, get a rwc and have it cleared (face it, it's just easier, and they will prob dick you for other things too).

Moreso, why would you risk your life with a replica seat? it's the only thing holding you in place, some laws are arguably stupid however running replica seats is a real safety concern for the driver/passengers of the vehicle.

[crobaa]

Not disagreeing with the above post, however in the scenario where you do get defected by the popos (revenue raising) chances are you won't bother arguing about eng certs (needless to say the time and money spent to obtain one) and you will just put your stock seats back in, get a rwc and have it cleared (face it, it's just easier, and they will prob dick you for other things too).

Moreso, why would you risk your life with a replica seat? it's the only thing holding you in place, some laws are arguably stupid however running replica seats is a real safety concern for the driver/passengers of the vehicle.

Totally agree with everything there. I actually once saw a new g6e ford that has hit a pole and the seat was ripped out. That was a totally standard unmodified car

[GU357]

This part from gu357

And pretty much all modifications are considered illegal if the car did not come with those parts, however if those parts were an optional accessory for that vehicle but was not purchased with the vehicle but was installed later, then it will be considered legal.

The term vehicle applies to cars with same chassis. I am still 100% correct in that any mod can be made legal with engineers approval. Tiksie you are bringing no useful info to this argument other than 'this happened to my mate so must be true'. You can legally run any ADR seat/rail combo with engineers. If the car has the same chassis code then no engineers is needed. By chassis code I don't mean eg, dc or whatever, there's some other code only used on a design/manufacturing level that links cars together I don't know what's it's called. Manufactures use it to more easily introduce new models to the market.

exactly thats what im trying to say but you explained it better

[tiksie]

i dunno but from what ive seen from the noob forums tiksie has a lot of haters or is a hater LOL

Nah; I'm not a hater.

It's just that these discussions have taken place MANY times in the past 5 years that I've been on OzHonda and no one knows how to use the search function.

Gators gon' gate.

[tiksie]

This part from gu357

And pretty much all modifications are considered illegal if the car did not come with those parts, however if those parts were an optional accessory for that vehicle but was not purchased with the vehicle but was installed later, then it will be considered legal.

The term vehicle applies to cars with same chassis. I am still 100% correct in that any mod can be made legal with engineers approval. Tiksie you are bringing no useful info to this argument other than 'this happened to my mate so must be true'. You can legally run any ADR seat/rail combo with engineers. If the car has the same chassis code then no engineers is needed. By chassis code I don't mean eg, dc or whatever, there's some other code only used on a design/manufacturing level that links cars together I don't know what's it's called. Manufactures use it to more easily introduce new models to the market.

What can't you comprehend ?

You can get ****ed for anything that isn't standard on your car! I've been in the game long enough to know this. It seems that you either haven't, or Melbourne's police are totally different to that of Sydney's.

Stop flogging a dead horse and try to get this through your head.

If a cop pulls you over for having a non-standard part on your car and you start explaining all of this shit to them, they will laugh at you and give you a red sticker for anything else they can. What do you learn from that ? Nothing!

The only piece of advice that I can give regarding modifying a car is; UNDERSTAND THAT YOU CAN AND WILL GET DEFECTED FOR IT REGARDLESS! The modifying game is risky and this should be acknowledged before someone starts up their EG hatchback with fully hektic wide OG sans wheels and loud exhaust and pod filtered D16Y1.

[crobaa]

If your not a hater why leave negative pq point on my profile when it seems you have been proven wrong, not to mention trying to make me look like and idiot on the previous page

[crobaa]

Pretty sure I already said many times that cops will defect you for this stuff if they want. Still doesn't mean the mods are illegal

[tiksie]

I negged you because:

" Police can fine you for anything they like. But as long as your rails are adr complianced and the seats are also adr complianced, no modifications had to be made to them at all then they are legal. Basically the only good brand that is adr is recaro

"

This doesn't hold well against a cop.

"No. If they come from a car with same chassis ie ss seats in standard commo it's legal. As long as no modification has to be made to fit them. Like super jdm said they will dick you for anything they want to even if it is legal. Only way around this is an engineers certificate which proves legality of your mod (although you shouldn't need one for recaros). I know definitely dc2 recaros in eg is fine. In an ek maybe not as the basic chassis is different. "

Neither does this.


I'm helping OP not to make a fool of himself and argue with a cop that his seats are ADR approved and that they are legal and he shouldn't be defected. Because then we will have threads popping up on how to win against a cop in court for arguing over a fake seat.

Nor did I try to make you look like an idiot. You must be a very sensitive person.

Have a custard tart

http://cdn.taste.com.au/images/recipes/sfi/2008/05/19735.jpg

[crobaa]

Your still missing the point

Are you even reading my posts?

Just because a cop defects you for it doesn't make it illegal! Sure it's a hassle to either fight it in court or go get a roadworthy again but if you get canaried for recaros in an eg, you can take it to a mechanic and get the defect cleared without even removing them. Your scenario is that the cop is a dickhead and is enforcing the law wrong. If he's acting like this in the first place you were either, being a dickhead towards him, made your car cop bait from the outside, or driving like a dickhead.

Also I never mentioned fake seats. And it's probably not worth fighting any of this stuff in court. BUT

If your not a dickhead you can drive with recaros your whole life and never get canaried for it. Let's face it, the canary will be because you've ****ed up not because you have recaros.

[tiksie]

Your still missing the point

Are you even reading my posts?

Just because a cop defects you for it doesn't make it illegal! Sure it's a hassle to either fight it in court or go get a roadworthy again but if you get canaried for recaros in an eg, you can take it to a mechanic and get the defect cleared without even removing them. Your scenario is that the cop is a dickhead and is enforcing the law wrong. If he's acting like this in the first place you were either, being a dickhead towards him, made your car cop bait from the outside, or driving like a dickhead.

Also I never mentioned fake seats. And it's probably not worth fighting any of this stuff in court. BUT

If your not a dickhead you can drive with recaros your whole life and never get canaried for it. Let's face it, the canary will be because you've ****ed up not because you have recaros.

I've never had a fine my whole life, though I was pumped (defected) whilst pouring petrol in to my car..

Anyway; I can't be bothered with this thread anymore.

OP; To answer your question, YES you can get fined for it.

Done deal seal banana peel.