ek9 or dc2r front cut and why?

[Khuong]

Yea as above

[dc2r-0636]

dc2r coz its got b18c7 (or b18cr if ur talking jdm)

more power, more torque, bigger displacement, more potential

[Tai]

no replacement for displacement

[Khuong]

yea but u think the price would be the same? and i herd the b16b has a more aggresive vtec

[jdm18c]

dc2r ftw!! pretty hard to find a ek9 front cut

[Khuong]

yea i thought it'd b hard to find a ek9 front, cheers guys but i think i have to get an engineering cert to put in an eg ay?

[Tai]

Blue slip if in NSW for 1.6 to 1.8

[davidvtec]

Dc2r anyday.. pretty obvious.. regardless of jap spec or audm, I'd still get that b18 type r motor

[impossi13le]

b16b has a really aggressive vtec, but in terms of power and torque it's no match for the bigger displacement c7, no matter how much vtec it throws in your face.
As for engineering cert, it comes down to what eg variant you have. if its eg3 (or whatever eg came with 1.5 and lower) you will need it. If yours is 1.6 from factory then you only need blueslip to register the engine to the chassis (less than 15% capacity increase so its ok).

itr halfcuts are usually cheaper than ek9 arent they?

[Khuong]

Iunno if its cheaper but the rarer the more expensive i guess. Anyone know who can do engine cert. ?

[dougie_504]

Every time I see a B16B for sale it always has an inflated price tag because it's less common than other B-series. Go the B18C, and if you want a more aggressive just put some cams in the damned thing. But in an EG I'm sure you'll be happy with the B18.

[amant02]

What would you prefer to have.

Penis thats 1.6inchs or 1.8inchs

Personally i wouldnt prefer either but you should get what i mean.

that extra 200cc or whateva it maybe will pleasure you more. Its simple maths. 1.8>1.6, only reason people say the b16b has more aggressive vtec? load of shit. The motor is running out puff by the time vtec kicks in, and sends it into a spazz attack when vtec engages. Trying to tell me that the 1.6l motor is gonna show a sharper curve then the 1.8l motor when vtec engages? i think the 1.8l will put out more numbers anyday.

[dougie_504]

What would you prefer to have.

Penis thats 1.6inchs or 1.8inchs

Personally i wouldnt prefer either but you should get what i mean.

that extra 200cc or whateva it maybe will pleasure you more. Its simple maths. 1.8>1.6, only reason people say the b16b has more aggressive vtec? load of shit. The motor is running out puff by the time vtec kicks in, and sends it into a spazz attack when vtec engages. Trying to tell me that the 1.6l motor is gonna show a sharper curve then the 1.8l motor when vtec engages? i think the 1.8l will put out more numbers anyday.

The camshaft profile of the B16B is more aggressive than the JDM B18C or AUDM B18C7. They are the most aggressive camshafts Honda made for the OEM B-series.

Also, all OEM Hondas engines are running out of puff by the time VTEC kicks in. That's the exact reason Honda makes the VTEC engage at certain points (and any tuner will do this when your car is tuned). This is done to ensure that you have a good smooth/progressive power band, not something with flat spots or dips.


At the end of the day we may as well go B20, right? For which there is a for/against case for either engine head.

[amant02]

For the price diff, i would just go the b20 wit a b16a2 head to keep costs low, all the benefits of vtec + the extra torque to show the v8's wat 4 cylinders can do.

[viinnh]

What would you prefer to have.

Penis thats 1.6inchs or 1.8inchs

Personally i wouldnt prefer either but you should get what i mean.

that extra 200cc or whateva it maybe will pleasure you more. Its simple maths. 1.8>1.6, only reason people say the b16b has more aggressive vtec? load of shit. The motor is running out puff by the time vtec kicks in, and sends it into a spazz attack when vtec engages. Trying to tell me that the 1.6l motor is gonna show a sharper curve then the 1.8l motor when vtec engages? i think the 1.8l will put out more numbers anyday.

so your saying the bigger the better ? cant compare it like that man

[Khuong]

The camshaft profile of the B16B is more aggressive than the JDM B18C or AUDM B18C7. They are the most aggressive camshafts Honda made for the OEM B-series.

Also, all OEM Hondas engines are running out of puff by the time VTEC kicks in. That's the exact reason Honda makes the VTEC engage at certain points (and any tuner will do this when your car is tuned). This is done to ensure that you have a good smooth/progressive power band, not something with flat spots or dips.


At the end of the day we may as well go B20, right? For which there is a for/against case for either engine head.

but if i do the b20 vtec, id have to get a coating for the b20 block ay? and a engineering certificate cause the engine code is stamped on the block and if cops see it they'll ask for an engineering cert. wouldnt they? how much would i be looking at for this b20 vtec? b16a2 head $1000 or b16b head $dunno? b20 block $800? cylinder coat bout $500?
or i can get a whole b16a2 package ($2500) and sell b16a2 block and get the b20 block

[viinnh]

if your doing b20vtec, youll mostlikely wanna rebuild everything to something crazy while its apart, so gonna need alot of $$

get a b16a japspec off eg6. makes life easier. its decent for its price,

[MWAKU]

who ever is ****ign saying go b16, have u even ever been in a b16b or a b18c7, or have u just read what other people have said

any one who ever wants to pour funds into a b16a, is stupid, biggest waste of money for such little gains. all the money for sound. (yes offtopic)

b18c and 7 are the only worth options for conversions in that price range, if u can get hands on a b16b, please tell us how it goes, cause honestly, if your going to be paying 3k+ on a 5k car, you better make the most out of ur money

/rant

[MWAKU]

, honestly, yea jst slap on a b16 on a b20. ASK any **** whos done that, you still won't be pushing power, youll still need to buy internals, tune and what else not to push power, u dont just slap on a b16 on a b20 block and think the cars going to be a beast

im not saying b20vtec is shit, but im saying, if ur on a tight budget, and have only enough for a conversion, your safest bet is a 18c or c7 for a quick, cheaper power uppage

[dougie_504]

^

I think B20VTEC's with standard internals make plenty of power. Most of the setups with a decent I/H/E (+tune otherwise you'll struggle to run it at all) I've seen tend to push the 110-115kw, which is loads of power and you'll definitely notice the low-end difference over a B18C or B16A. I sure did.