Accord Euro vs. Lexus IS250

[I CU2]

Hi Everybody,

Would you consider the IS250 and the Accord Euro to be in the same class?

If you could have CU2 Luxury or an Earlier IS250 base model, which would you prefer?

I mean you'd lose a bit of a space/Xenons/Sunroof/Parking Sensors but it's a tough choice IMO.

[sensei_]

i dont believe an IS250 is the same class as an Accord Euro.

Accord Euro vs Mazda 6 vs hyundai i45

IS250 vs 318 vs C class

[dale_s15]

I'm actually considering this right now. I don't know wether to get a 2008-2009 CU2 Luxury or a 2007 Is250 Sports luxury.

The IS250 is quite cheap now.. even the Sports Luxury version if you have a good enough search..

A friend of mine actually went from a 2003 Euro Luxury Manual after owning it for about 3 years to a 2007 IS250 Prestige. He thinks its a much better car. He put the sports Luxury 17's on it and they only thing he misses are the xenons. But there are far more features to make up for it.. his is optioned with the package which brings the sat nav, reverse camera, heated and cooled seats etc.. Far nicer to drive imo.

[sensei_]

+1 for the lex. im not sure what they go for, but id rather the GS as it is definitely more plush inside than the IS

[butterfingers]

IS250 in styling
CU2 and IS both have similar features inside in terms of comforts
idk about sat-nav only seen IS with them but

[kristrifo]

IS250s don't really do it for me anymore

too many gronks drive em

CU2 imo

[egcarbz]

my mom has a is250 prestige, my dad has a cu2 luxury, cu2 feels better built and better to drive, more features as well, lexus is still toyota, hence honda cu2 euro is my choice :)

[ChaosMaster]

If it's between the CU2 and the IS250, I'ld take the IS250. If it's between the CL9 though, I'ld take the CL9. Depends on what you want it for though, IS250 have fairly stiff sus setup, so it's not as comfortable as you may think, although it's def not as firm as say a Type R. Newer models would have a softer setup. The Lex is def more luxury than the CU2 which is why I'ld take it over the CU2. The CL9 won't match it in terms of Lux (in both features/gear or refinement [god the CL9 needs more sound deadening, not sure about the CU2, haven't taken one on a FWY yet]), but it's sportier and looks a lot nice imo. Lex has a crap manual gear box though, but the auto is generations ahead anything Honda offers.

[egcarbz]

i own a cl9 myself, but also having a cu2 and lexus is250 at home, its easy to make comparison to which is the better car imo hehe

[kristrifo]

If it's between the CU2 and the IS250, I'ld take the IS250. If it's between the CL9 though, I'ld take the CL9. Depends on what you want it for though, IS250 have fairly stiff sus setup, so it's not as comfortable as you may think, although it's def not as firm as say a Type R. Newer models would have a softer setup. The Lex is def more luxury than the CU2 which is why I'ld take it over the CU2. The CL9 won't match it in terms of Lux (in both features/gear or refinement [god the CL9 needs more sound deadening, not sure about the CU2, haven't taken one on a FWY yet]), but it's sportier and looks a lot nice imo. Lex has a crap manual gear box though, but the auto is generations ahead anything Honda offers.

dynamat ftw haha

[EKVTIR-T]

I dont consider them in the same class personally. The IS250 is a higher level

Accord Euro is more in line with higher spec Camry,Mazda6 or Liberty

And in regards to above comment
lexus is still toyota well as a corporation sure but the cars are not the same.
Making this blanket statement shows you dont understand Lexus

[eeko]

I dont consider them in the same class personally. The IS250 is a higher level

Accord Euro is more in line with higher spec Camry,Mazda6 or Liberty

And in regards to above comment well as a corporation sure but the cars are not the same.
Making this blanket statement shows you dont understand Lexus

I second this.. especially about how lexus is still a toyota lol....

Having driven a CL9 a CU2 and a IS250 daily, theres not really much of a comparison.... silence and refinement of the drive goes with the lexus...

[butterfingers]

I second this.. especially about how lexus is still a toyota lol....

Having driven a CL9 a CU2 and a IS250 daily, theres not really much of a comparison.... silence and refinement of the drive goes with the lexus...

what u talking about its raw as all **** ek9 style ride vrrom vrroom


nah kidding lol

[eeko]

what u talking about its raw as all **** ek9 style ride vrrom vrroom


nah kidding lol

Haha... driving a ek is like a go kart experience compared to the rest --' ..

[butterfingers]

sydney roads and coilovers dont mix

[eeko]

especially not with 13kg front and 9kg rear spring rates...

[egcarbz]

honda accord euro (acura tsx) is marketed in the US against the 3 series, C class , audi a4 and is250, around the us30k mark, of course it has more luxury features
then our own cu2 , but in terms of quality, the cu2 beats the lexus is250, thats comparing cu2 08 lux to 2007 is250 prestige :)

[senna]

IS250 because RWD>FWD


Flame suit engage...

[eeko]

IS250 because RWD>FWD


Flame suit engage...

Good point.

[senna]

honda accord euro (acura tsx) is marketed in the US against the 3 series, C class , audi a4 and is250, around the us30k mark, of course it has more luxury features
then our own cu2 , but in terms of quality, the cu2 beats the lexus is250, thats comparing cu2 08 lux to 2007 is250 prestige :)


The Acura is marketed as a Luxury/Sports brand in the US, the Lexus is too, but they are half the price over there whereas the Honda product is more comparable on price between the two countries...

[damienm]

driven both... cant justify the price difference between the two.. lexus feels crap and too cramped and im a fairly smallish guy as well.

[butterfingers]

IS250 because RWD>FWD


Flame suit engage...

rip skids in that v6

[senna]

Not even, driving dynamics are just better...

[I CU2]

honda accord euro (acura tsx) is marketed in the US, of course it has more luxury features

Knock out our base model Euro, the Luxury/Luxury Navi have more features then their TSX counterparts (i4 base/i4 w/tech)

[ChaosMaster]

I wouldn't use the US's pricing as a comparison. From memory, our HSV Clubsport/SS and the E class v6 go for about the same price. Performance goes to the HSV (badged ponti) but there's no way in hell a Holden will match the E class in any other way.

If I had to label the IS250's weakness, it would be 1. Ride: It's not coilover firm, but it's not Merc soft. Then again, my CL9 on 18's ain't any softer. 2. Interior is really dated, car was released in what 2005? It really shows it. 3. Styling, subjected to taste. It's not ugly, but I wouldn't say it's the prettiest thing on the road. I have nothing against it though, just like how I have nothing against CU2. I just prefer the way the CL9 looks. Each to their own.

[Fredoops]

Knock out our base model Euro, the Luxury/Luxury Navi have more features then their TSX counterparts (i4 base/i4 w/tech)

You sure about that?

[I CU2]

You sure about that?

Fairly certain. Besides the things which can't be used here. eg, XM Radio. I wouldn't mind being proven wrong?

[Fredoops]

Fairly certain. Besides the things which can't be used here. eg, XM Radio. I wouldn't mind being proven wrong?

apart from XM radio, we also miss out on live traffic/weather, internal hard drive, tyre pressure monitoring, voice command, daytime running lights, speed variable rain sensing wipers (Australia gets a 2 speed automatic instead of variable), homelink transmitter (like an automatic garage door opener when your car gets close).

we also get a 360 watt 7 speak system across the board compared to the 425 watt, 10 speaker DTS/Dolby system in the Tech package.

[I CU2]

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[I CU2]

apart from XM radio, we also miss out on live traffic/weather, internal hard drive, tyre pressure monitoring, voice command, daytime running lights, speed variable rain sensing wipers (Australia gets a 2 speed automatic instead of variable), homelink transmitter (like an automatic garage door opener when your car gets close).

we also get a 360 watt 7 speak system across the board compared to the 425 watt, 10 speaker DTS/Dolby system in the Tech package.

Actually, rethinking this. Do any cars here have the live traffic/weather (besides the basic offerings from SUNA)?

Internal Hard Drive was only gained on 2012 TSX's.

Tyre Pressure Monitoring - You have me here.

Daytime Running Lights - The TSX's don't have them? Our Euro has seperate high beams/parkers while their setup is just the highbeam running on low power for parking lights.

Speed Variable Rain Sensing Wipers - I notice my car wiping really slowly or fast depending on the rain but never constant when on Auto.

The 10 speaker stereo system is standard across the entire range here (including base)?

Homelink Transmitter - Yeah.

[Fredoops]

Actually, rethinking this. Do any cars here have the live traffic/weather (besides the basic offerings from SUNA)?

Internal Hard Drive was only gained on 2012 TSX's.

Tyre Pressure Monitoring - You have me here.

Daytime Running Lights - The TSX's don't have them? Our Euro has seperate high beams/parkers while their setup is just the highbeam running on low power for parking lights.

Speed Variable Rain Sensing Wipers - I notice my car wiping really slowly or fast depending on the rain but never constant when on Auto.

The 10 speaker stereo system is standard across the entire range here (including base)?

Homelink Transmitter - Yeah.

7 or 10 speaks we have.... interesting

[I CU2]

we get 7 speaker here. not 10

http://euro.honda.com.au/about-the-car_interior.aspx

"The Accord Euro's enveloping iPod/MP3-ready sound system - with 6CD changer and no fewer than 10 speakers"

I counted 10 speakers in mine (9 + Subwoofer if you want to be technical but the Acura counts it as a speaker as well)?

[jzx_andy]

IS250 and CU2 are similar but comparing a lux CU2 to a pov pack IS250 is rather silly.

[tron07]

I have tested the IS350 as well as 250. While the 350 is powerful its not as fun to drive as the Euro. Perhaps its just the short stint I get to drive it. The Lexus is very refine, quiet, luxurious and full of auto this and that.

[I CU2]

IS250 and CU2 are similar but comparing a lux CU2 to a pov pack IS250 is rather silly.

In what way, which one do you consider superior?

[sensei_]

The Lexus is very refine, quiet, luxurious and full of auto this and that.

lexus has always been obsessed about the quietiness of their interiors, the fascination with electrics (as is merc's with air/vacuum), and overall quality.

[MingZai]

Okay prepare for a long long essay maybe not that long :p

I've daily driven the MY11 BMW 323i, 2004 Accord Euro Luxury, Lexus GS350, Lexus IS250.

Stock for stock ~

The BMW 323i and Lexus GS350 feels the most comfortable but then I'm not sure if it's a fair comparison for my 323i and CL9 because the 323i comes with M-Sport Package which includes the M-Sport Seats. If I'm allowed to add my Euro-R Recaros for comfort then I would give comfort to the Euro-R as the GS350 not really in the same league. (Seat Wise)

The BMW 323i / 320 would certainly be in the same league as the CL9/CU2 (Depending on generations of the 3 Series) and Lexus IS250.
The CL9 is more harder than both the IS250 and 323i in regards to the comfort of the suspension so you feel the bumps more easily where as the other cars go through it with less sound.
That said stock speakers vs stock speakers the CL9 has a more superior sound system in comparison to the 323i and IS250. The only problem I had with my car was that it didn't have Bluetooth support (not that important) and AUX cable (VERY IMPORTANT) thus I would pick the IS250 and 323i for long distance driving easily. (But it's the other away round now as I have an Aux cable installed for my Euro :D)

Handling is superb on all 3 vehicles and hard to judge as 1 of them is a FWD where as the other 2 are RWD. Only downside to the CL9 original setup is that it's quite high.
Noise in the cabin is more noticeable in the CL9 but then not a problem for me when music is on + I have a J's Racing Exhaust now as well :P

ALL IN ALL

MONEY WISE I WOULD PROBABLY buy the CU2 if I had the choice and not the 323i due to the amount of money I save and yes BMW is more bling factor but I'm just thinking financially wise too.

The new BMW 3 Series is no longer the same level though I'm only talking about the E90 generation, the new generation kills both CU2 and the IS250.

[butterfingers]

Lotus anyone?

[I CU2]

@MingZai - have any estimate as how much it would cost to service a 325?

[antony]

I am visiting the US at the moment,and they LOVE the Acura TSX,they are very popular,andy as others have said,compete directly with the Lexus IS,Merc c class,and Audi A4.

[Fredoops]

And infiniti G25 (2.5 liter v6), also rwd i remembered

Funnily enough the Americans also complain about the noise inside the TSX, especially on the 18's

http://www.infiniticars.com.au/Home.aspx
infiniti is coming.

In a recent comparo on motortrend, the Volvo S60 beat the V6 TSX and IS250 Sport, as well as Ininiti G25, and Merc C250.

[tron07]

MingZai, your CL9 is Lux or the std version?

the stock audio on the std version is better then the lux. supprise supprise....

[ryaan]

the audio is only worse in the lux if it has nav .. otherwise its the same

[MingZai]

Correct my CL9 is the Lux version 2004 without Navi.

@ICU2 i'll check my bills and get back to you but I think on top of my head not that much different to the Honda.

Sitting in the lexus gs350 is like sitting in a sofa may I add.

[sensei_]

Sitting in the lexus gs350 is like sitting in a sofa may I add.

wait til you sit in the LS, you may not want to leave the back seat

[ericl33]

Okay prepare for a long long essay maybe not that long :p

I've daily driven the MY11 BMW 323i, 2004 Accord Euro Luxury, Lexus GS350, Lexus IS250.

Stock for stock ~

The BMW 323i and Lexus GS350 feels the most comfortable but then I'm not sure if it's a fair comparison for my 323i and CL9 because the 323i comes with M-Sport Package which includes the M-Sport Seats. If I'm allowed to add my Euro-R Recaros for comfort then I would give comfort to the Euro-R as the GS350 not really in the same league. (Seat Wise)

The BMW 323i / 320 would certainly be in the same league as the CL9/CU2 (Depending on generations of the 3 Series) and Lexus IS250.
The CL9 is more harder than both the IS250 and 323i in regards to the comfort of the suspension so you feel the bumps more easily where as the other cars go through it with less sound.
That said stock speakers vs stock speakers the CL9 has a more superior sound system in comparison to the 323i and IS250. The only problem I had with my car was that it didn't have Bluetooth support (not that important) and AUX cable (VERY IMPORTANT) thus I would pick the IS250 and 323i for long distance driving easily. (But it's the other away round now as I have an Aux cable installed for my Euro :D)

Handling is superb on all 3 vehicles and hard to judge as 1 of them is a FWD where as the other 2 are RWD. Only downside to the CL9 original setup is that it's quite high.
Noise in the cabin is more noticeable in the CL9 but then not a problem for me when music is on + I have a J's Racing Exhaust now as well :P

ALL IN ALL

MONEY WISE I WOULD PROBABLY buy the CU2 if I had the choice and not the 323i due to the amount of money I save and yes BMW is more bling factor but I'm just thinking financially wise too.

The new BMW 3 Series is no longer the same level though I'm only talking about the E90 generation, the new generation kills both CU2 and the IS250.
raped.

[MiSloVic]

And infiniti G25 (2.5 liter v6), also rwd i remembered

Funnily enough the Americans also complain about the noise inside the TSX, especially on the 18's

http://www.infiniticars.com.au/Home.aspx
infiniti is coming.

In a recent comparo on motortrend, the Volvo S60 beat the V6 TSX and IS250 Sport, as well as Ininiti G25, and Merc C250.

s60... imagine a euro in bullet proof skin and 224kw awd (t6)

[antony]

Yes,forgot about the little Infiniti...I think its a JDM Nissan Skyline,very nice car actually.

[Fredoops]

Yes,forgot about the little Infiniti...I think its a JDM Nissan Skyline,very nice car actually.

interior kinda sucks for a premium car, but it is quieter than the euro.

[s-ichigo]

I believe the US CU2(TSX) is far better equipped than our Euro.. for instance, US CU2 underbody is covered with plastic panel pieces and better noise deadening, thicker reinforcement bars with foam, sensor here and there etc..

TSX vs IS250/350 / 3 series / C class = same class
Accord Euro vs IS250/350 / 3 series / C class = maybe not yet..

[Miz_II_Die_IV]

Personally I've owned all 3 cars. I've had 2 cl9's One I bought brand new and the other second. I had an 07' sports luxury is250 and now I'm currently driving a 08 lux navi euro. Tbh the Lexus is by far my fav but if going with prestige then I'd say the 08 euro lux navi would be better. There is so much more features the is250 has over the newer euro cu2, even tho my lex was older model. Yes suspension is stiffer but handling is also better though. Overall the Lexus is a much better feel and value for money if u can afford it but if I can't euros are the best thing. That's why I'm back to a euro cos I can't afford another Lexus. Pros for Lexus would be all its features like adaptive headlights, memory seats for front users heating and COOLING seats. Keyless entry,(definitely my fav since I'm a girl and my keys are always in my handbag. )Touchscreen navi, there is a lot more features to list.but yeah having said that the euro is still pretty awesome

[Fredoops]

^^^ why did you buy the euro instead of keeping the Lexus, I don't mind the is250 but in interior kinda out me off at the time.

You know I almost put the deposit down for an IS350 a few years back.

[mrgu]

^^^ why did you buy the euro instead f keeping the Lexus.

You know I almost put the deposit down for an IS350 a few years back.

when they were doing a deal on interest rate? IS350 can be driven away for 69000 with cash

[Fredoops]

when they were doing a deal on interest rate? IS350 can be driven away for 69000 with cash

Is350 sport, so more than 70k at the time

[mrgu]

Is350 sport, so more than 70k at the time

what stopped u from buying it? i nearly put a deposit down on a IS250 F back then when they had the 4.9% deal

[Fredoops]

what stopped u from buying it? i nearly put a deposit down on a IS250 F back then when they had the 4.9% deal

cant stand the centre console.

[ChaosMaster]

Yeah, the centre console of the lexus is really dated. The look of the new lexus is shit, hate the gopping grill.

[DreadAngel]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_NlRsqFc7Oh4/TM7ly_yYbaI/AAAAAAAABbs/shINQUhmQ0k/s1600/DSC03597.JPG

[curtis265]

what stopped u from buying it? i nearly put a deposit down on a IS250 F back then when they had the 4.9% deal

holy crap, 5% interest?!

[osman1]

All in all, comparing the lexus Is250 to the Euro is not a fair comparison. Both cars are good however will satisfy individuals who have different price points.

However Lexus cars have know to be the most reliable ever and the also known for the least number of issues for new cars.

[redseven]

I love both cars (CU2 and IS 2009-onwards) because they have a modern yet totally Japanese look to them, like the sharp creases in a well-tailored suit combined with intricate origami. The radius curves on the wheel arches, slanted headlights and sharp shoulder lines make them really stand out, even here in the crowded Chinese market with plenty of cars from everywhere. The new Mazda 6 looks like it's trying too hard though.

The Lexus is priced and positioned as a premium car while the Accord Euro is a poor man/woman's version of one :) I would definitely go for a Euro Luxury spec because you'll be regretting why you didn't shell out for xenons/sunroof/whatever in the base IS250...

[Snoop_gee]

can someone please help will fuel usage figures/economy
between Cl9, CU2 and IS250?

[axispower]

Controlled for year and model, Lexus has more prestige. But I'm not sure if that is what you mean when you say "same class?"

I'm still attached to my CL9, though.

[Fredoops]

can someone please help will fuel usage figures/economy
between Cl9, CU2 and IS250?

CU2 > CL9 = IS250

there abouts.

[mrgu]

Base is250 would beat top cu2 easy with its handy key proximity and RWD and roomier rear leg space

[xanctus]

This has been the debate and dilemma that I faced when I bought my Euro. I always love IS250 badly, but with being more expensive you won't get sunroof and HID as opposed to Euro Lux you will get all.

[mrgu]

In that sense I think aurion sportivo zr6 is a good alternative or TRD Aurion

[ChaosMaster]

This has been the debate and dilemma that I faced when I bought my Euro. I always love IS250 badly, but with being more expensive you won't get sunroof and HID as opposed to Euro Lux you will get all.

HID and Sunroof can be optioned up. And the Lexus has a more comprehensive equipment list anyways. It's like saying a BMW 525i doesn't come with SunRoof or Xenon(HID) as standard, you're not going to say the Euro is better equipped are you?

[I CU2]

HID and Sunroof can be optioned up. And the Lexus has a more comprehensive equipment list anyways. It's like saying a BMW 525i doesn't come with SunRoof or Xenon(HID) as standard, you're not going to say the Euro is better equipped are you?

I think what he's getting at is that everything costs extra on the Lexus while it's all standard on a cheaper, top end Accord Euro. I did end up taking a look at the IS250 but found the interior a bit too small and rear leg room was non-existant after I pushed the seat all the way back which is sad as I did like the car (I checked insurance price for the Sports Luxury - was $1k o.o)

[ChaosMaster]

I think what he's getting at is that everything costs extra on the Lexus while it's all standard on a cheaper, top end Accord Euro. I did end up taking a look at the IS250 but found the interior a bit too small and rear leg room was non-existant after I pushed the seat all the way back which is sad as I did like the car (I checked insurance price for the Sports Luxury - was $1k o.o)

Well, if you're looking at value, you might as well say Great Wall and other chinese brands are better value than Honda. I get what he means though, but there is a difference in quality between the two brands. Lexus is the best value of all the prestige brands, and if you want prestige, then it's the Lexus. The IS250 is a small car, but then, the current gen has been out for a while, and the new one will be here soon. Insurance cost isn't too bad (depending on who you quote) as 1k is what AAMI, RACV and GIO quoted me for a stocked CL9 on rating 1 o.0

Having said that, I'm in awe of how many people out there buy a prestige car (Audi, Benz, BMW, Lex etc) but the cheapest one there is, then whine about the ownership cost. It really baffles me, why spend $40k on a basic A3 when you could get a Golf GTI? Why buy a basic Lexus when you can grab a high end Toyota? I don't know, but for me, there's really no point in getting a prestige car unless you get one with all the kit in it, stuff you can't get on the lower brands. You don't get an Audi for the sake of it being an Audi, but then cry about it being expensive to own, you should have expected that. The same applies to Lexus although with Lexus you can service it yourself (mostly).

[sensei_]

The same applies to Lexus although with Lexus you can service it yourself (mostly).

lets not forget, many toyotas will still service a lexus at toyota prices (for those on a budget and dont want to DIY!)

[Phoebus]

of course the is250 is better, but it's more expensive and it's 6 cylinder RWD.

[mrgu]

Is250 failed on door handle not been chrome

[I CU2]

Is250 failed on door handle not been chrome

Oh this is another thing I had! I didn't mind the door handle not being chrome but I went and looked at the German Trio that compete with Lexus and all the doors had a nice solid thud (On the CU2, the front door has this thud but not the back, not sure about the CL9). I closed the door of the IS250 and it sounded exactly like a cheap light weight Corolla door was being closed...I know it's small but considering what they're worth you want everything to be perfect... :(

[xanctus]

HID and Sunroof can be optioned up. And the Lexus has a more comprehensive equipment list anyways. It's like saying a BMW 525i doesn't come with SunRoof or Xenon(HID) as standard, you're not going to say the Euro is better equipped are you?
Absolutely NOT.

[xanctus]

I completely agree with you about getting the full options/the highest end of the car if you can afford it. So in response of your statement about getting a great wall than getting a honda because of value, it depends on individual, but I wouldn't do that.

Just FYI, here in NZ the highest of all Euro is fully mugenized one. So having said that, I decided to get that one as opposed of getting IS250 due to 2 big elements, price and options. Now when you say HID and sunroof. Sure, I had my previous euro sport package one without HID and bought HID aftermarket and got failed from the NZ transport test because it is aftermarket is illegal. So from that point of view itself it's a hassle. About sunroof, I am not sure if anyone willing to go that route with cost of putting sunroof.




Well, if you're looking at value, you might as well say Great Wall and other chinese brands are better value than Honda. I get what he means though, but there is a difference in quality between the two brands. Lexus is the best value of all the prestige brands, and if you want prestige, then it's the Lexus. The IS250 is a small car, but then, the current gen has been out for a while, and the new one will be here soon. Insurance cost isn't too bad (depending on who you quote) as 1k is what AAMI, RACV and GIO quoted me for a stocked CL9 on rating 1 o.0

Having said that, I'm in awe of how many people out there buy a prestige car (Audi, Benz, BMW, Lex etc) but the cheapest one there is, then whine about the ownership cost. It really baffles me, why spend $40k on a basic A3 when you could get a Golf GTI? Why buy a basic Lexus when you can grab a high end Toyota? I don't know, but for me, there's really no point in getting a prestige car unless you get one with all the kit in it, stuff you can't get on the lower brands. You don't get an Audi for the sake of it being an Audi, but then cry about it being expensive to own, you should have expected that. The same applies to Lexus although with Lexus you can service it yourself (mostly).

[ChaosMaster]

I completely agree with you about getting the full options/the highest end of the car if you can afford it. So in response of your statement about getting a great wall than getting a honda because of value, it depends on individual, but I wouldn't do that.

I think you're missing my point. Saying that the IS250 is worse value compared to a Euro is like saying a Honda is worse value compared to a Great Wall. There's a difference in quality, and that's what you're paying for. Just like you won't get a Great Wall over a Honda even though it's better value, due to the difference in quality, you can't really compare a Lexus's value against a Honda.


Just FYI, here in NZ the highest of all Euro is fully mugenized one. So having said that, I decided to get that one as opposed of getting IS250 due to 2 big elements, price and options. Now when you say HID and sunroof. Sure, I had my previous euro sport package one without HID and bought HID aftermarket and got failed from the NZ transport test because it is aftermarket is illegal. So from that point of view itself it's a hassle. About sunroof, I am not sure if anyone willing to go that route with cost of putting sunroof.

You do know a sun/moonroof and HID/Xenon's are optional on the base IS and standard on the higher end ones right. No need to go aftermarket if you don't want to. There are many features on the Lexus that you can't option on the Honda, things like heated seats, better quality leather, keyless start, proximity/smart key etc. Small things, but they all add up. It's like comparing your 20 year old 40" CRT TV for a new 37" LED one? The old one is bigger after all. I mean, the new one would have better colours/picture, better energy efficiency, have way more features including smart tv and 3d etc. but if you're only going to compare by size then why look at the new one?

[redseven]

You do know a sun/moonroof and HID/Xenon's are optional on the base IS and standard on the higher end ones right. No need to go aftermarket if you don't want to. There are many features on the Lexus that you can't option on the Honda, things like heated seats, better quality leather, keyless start, proximity/smart key etc. Small things, but they all add up. It's like comparing your 20 year old 40" CRT TV for a new 37" LED one? The old one is bigger after all. I mean, the new one would have better colours/picture, better energy efficiency, have way more features including smart tv and 3d etc. but if you're only going to compare by size then why look at the new one?

We get these as standard on all our CU2's along with sunroofs :) Xenons and navigation are optional though. I guess it depends on how Honda wants to target each country - is the CU2 a cheaper IS/3-series/C-class competitor or is it an upmarket Accord? That would determine the mix of standard and optional features for each trim level.

[Rooster]

I have a CL9 and my boss at work has the Lexus.


Exterior, Euro takes all.
Interior, it's a complete whitewash even for a CU2

[mrgu]

IN CHINA, CU2 type s comes with HID, sunroof, half heated leather seat, Key proximity, keyless start, lip kits, sports pedals , reverse sensor and camera ( equivlant to IS 250 Sports Luxury) minus RWD equipement wise

still, Lexus is a better car

[I CU2]

I have a CL9 and my boss at work has the Lexus.


Exterior, Euro takes all.
Interior, it's a complete whitewash even for a CU2

I actually think that the IS250 has aged extremely well. The CL9 did age very nicely (as did the Subaru Liberty of that era) but the IS250 is still modern vs. todays competition.

But the upcoming IS250 wtf is up with that??

[ChaosMaster]

I actually think that the IS250 has aged extremely well. The CL9 did age very nicely (as did the Subaru Liberty of that era) but the IS250 is still modern vs. todays competition.

But the upcoming IS250 wtf is up with that??

+10000000000000000 to that man. Lexus really shot themselves in the foot with that. Considering how long the current IS250 has been on sale, and people have really been looking forward to it's successor. Had it been a looker, it would have been able to match the 3 series in sales (maybe even the C Class) but considering how it looks now, I'm not surprised people will jump ship.