5k to spend on a 96 VTI-R

[tegsta]

whats the best bang for your buck mods ?

More than anything I want to increase low end torque if possible

the tegra is stock

thanks

oh and allmtr no FI thanks

[Chi]

slap on some dragon stickers and get some chromed rims :P j/k

Well 5K is alot to spend.....

[mo]

get a full exhaust (headers, hi-flow, catback etc)
air filter
cai

these basic mods should help you car breathe better!! they aren't really the power mods for you to gain big HP!

[2ds]

for low end torque get some 4-2-1 headers

the 4-1 headers will give you more power higher up but you will lose a little lower in the rpm range (not what you wanted)

Seeing as you don't want to go FI, perhapse after the I/H/E you could get an after market ecu (hondata ?) and get it dyno tuned. i'm not sure how much better this will make it run, anyone have personal experience with this ?

also you could put some nice light rims on it (spoon, mugen, etc, etc) and maybe do some suspension work and that will probably be all your money gone

-2ds

[Havok]

Light weight good quality flywheel
Proper exhaust
Header - something half decent
ECU
Some mild cams..

Prolly be a bit more than 5k including labour..

[A'PEXi]

i/h/e, lightweight flywheel, hd clutch, aftermarket ecu, maybe some cams... have them all tuned properly and you have a bit more power :D

[Setanta]

Sell the car and get a better one with the proceeds :)

I kid you not :P

[2ds]

i/h/e, lightweight flywheel, hd clutch, aftermarket ecu, maybe some cams... have them all tuned properly and you have a bit more power :D

fly wheel is good. there are a couple of pairs of toda cams for sale floating around in the marketplace. you'd have to ask the toda man if these would give you more low end torque, they may be tunes more for the high end. i have no idea.

you probably don't need the clutch unless you are doing any launches.
if you are... well, i think you may as well wait until your stock one dies before you replace it (personal opinion)

-2ds

[Weq]

tuuurboooo..
b16's are touqless freaks, u either gotta up ur capacity or force more air in.

[Spunkymonkey]

tuuurboooo..
b16's are touqless freaks, u either gotta up ur capacity or force more air in.

he's got a b18 :P

[OLM-02R]

5k you can get....good header....exhaust....get custom piping as well....and get lighten flywheel....ctr pistons.....good luck

[Weq]

tuuurboooo..
b16's are touqless freaks, u either gotta up ur capacity or force more air in.

he's got a b18 :P

my bad, whenever i read VTi-R i assume civic.
Neverless, what i said before stands, nothing like a forced b18c. Save another grand of so and see what the tuning shops can put together.

[wynode]

tuuurboooo..
b16's are touqless freaks, u either gotta up ur capacity or force more air in.

he's got a b18 :P

my bad, whenever i read VTi-R i assume civic.
Neverless, what i said before stands, nothing like a forced b18c. Save another grand of so and see what the tuning shops can put together.

Thats true Weq, but given that he has posted this in the ALL MOTOR section, i'd say he doesn't want to go Turbo. So lets keep replies to NA shall we :)

That said, i'd go for the following in this order:
1. 4-1 JDM or Mugen headers
2. 2.5" Mandrel Bent full exhaust
3. CTR Cams or Jun Cams if you have the $$$
4. Aftermarket ECU like and Apexi PowerFC or Hondata

Those will probably be just less than the 5K mark. As a rough idea. If you want more detailed info, post back.
Also, #1 is where you should be very carefull and i'd recommend dishing out the $$$ there. As for the cams, it really depends on what you are after.

[Weq]

shit sorry, my bad again.

Touque down low is hard, ur gonna need up crack the engine open, new pistons/rods for a higher compression. Then go new cam along with valve train and maybe p&p. Port match intake and exhaust also (maybe type-r intake). Flywheel and clutch will need to be done also. I think this will come in over budget though...

My personal opinion boltons wont cut it for all motor gains. Save ur money on the expensive headers and work on everything else first. Those things are gonna pick u up half as much power as the others will..
DO they make stroker kits for b18c?

i will shutup now...

[tegsta]

yeah they do, and I was seriously considering it yet no one has mentioned a stroker kit cept for you :(

+ if i get a stroker kit and i go turbo later on ill have a bullet proof motor

[wynode]

Type R intake will reduce low down talk as the B18 on the vti-r has variable intake runners for better low down torque.

[KnfUzn]

change the valve timing, it'll give u more torgue, very cheap as well.

[EG5]

change the valve timing, it'll give u more torgue, very cheap as well.

cam timing is what u actually have in ur mind???

very cheap to change valve timing ?

[joneblaze]

Lol@yona's.... i think KNFUZN lives up to his number plate. Shouldn't give incorrect advice... fuks ppl around....

[Dream`R]

The CTR was mentioned twice. So why CTR and not the ITR parts?

[eknine]

CTR has a more agressive oem cam (intake)....exhaust cams same as the ITR:), however it is also known that........wanna know more?

see thread below:)... there are more info, infact alot more. However search advocates will insisit you learn this function well:)

to get you started...

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=719527

pls take whatever you read with a pinch of...form you own opinion via ask and research:)

[pornstar]

id say **** that, bore out ur block to a 2litre dont bother stroking ur motor, u lose ur revability, something u wanna keep. bore it out and change pistons to match the bore size for 5k and ull get power across the board for the motor.

stroking the motor will help by increasing the capacity, but increasing or changing the stroke will affet ur high end rpm revs. longer stroke makes the engine unstable at high rpms and causes fast engine wear, thats why the h23 is not a good engine to go na wise. not only that, the angular change on the rod travel will need to be changed (the stroker kit will do this), that again affects the harmonic balance of the engine at high rpms, and will increase turbulence around and in the engine.

seeing as ur motor is a inline 4 and not a v configuration, u dont really want to angle the rods away too much from factory as the combustion efficiency of the domed chambers on oem honda blocks lose their efficiency. I hope u understand what i just said... if not let em know and ill try and put it in more lay man terms

[pornstar]

oh and btw, what gives about this bullshit about searching etc etc etc.

if he wanted to learn about us honda's taht would be neat, but we talking about aus honda's. not much difference u say? go out and do the mods they do and see if u get those gains they supposedly get.

we should name ozhonda, honda-tech branch in that case.

[eknine]

pls take whatever you read with a pinch of...form you own opinion via ask and research:)

and the internet in form of a data repository contain vast knowledge... opinions are endless and armchair experts are abudances:)

it doesn't matter where you search as long as you provides an idea, answer, opinions, feedback, etc.... to a required query.

[pornstar]

and ppl who are unhelpful with the "search" function are jsut wasting time adn space posting: "search"

anyway, ill try and help out still

[eknine]

so are you trying to say that i'm wasting space...well no offence but i'm a post whore:)

not helping...well i thought i provided part of the query:(

else click this (http://www.ozhonda.com/forums/search.php)

can't find it , then

then click here then (http://www.google.com.au/)

else ask here:)

edit ->ps: let me help the mod......"Back to Topic" :D

[bennjamin]

..................

Give a man a fish...he eats for a day.

Teach a man to fish , he eats for a lifetime.



Nuff said.

[pornstar]

and if he has searched already?

i know i searched heaps when i started but sometimes a bore and stroke is not understandable language to a noobie. Everyone starts somewhere, and if your not going to help, then really why post at all, why dont u let sum1 help him answer it?

and yeah that quote was made famous by pauline hanson, nuff said

[eknine]

and yeah that quote was made famous by pauline hanson, nuff said

but its a chinese proverb and many ppl has quote on that prior:)

and this above from a search (http://www.bilinguist.com/data/hanying/messages/45115.html#45120)

btw this is not the bore and stroke thread:)

back to topic...PERIOD:)

[pornstar]

its a chinese proverb? none of us ever heard it in chinese, or maybe we just not taht bad to need to be told :P

[vti-2]

Keep it on topic guys. pornstar is right.

Telling people to search doesn't help much and is useless. At least, in your wisdom, do a quick search for the person and point them in a direction that will help. i.e. link them to a thread (even on another forum) that will help them. I'm tired of seeing threads asking for help, only to be whored or torn apart by bickering.

If it is a thread on engine swaps (i.e. should i swap a B16A into my EG) then sure, refer them to the search function and a moderator will lock the thread as that is a common question. Otherwise, try help the person.

Any further useless replies will be instantly deleted.

[BLKCRX]

Tuning tuning and more tuning !!! iv done several of vtir's and they always result in large gains in power simply buy installing a fully tuneable ECU that allows true performance to be tuned into the engine resulting in maximum possible power.

Regards James

[ginganggooly]

i can attest to that, got a great result from james tuning my car.


before tuning-
http://board.performanceforums.com/gallery/data/500/745mike-dyno2-med.jpg

after tuning-
http://board.performanceforums.com/gallery/data/500/745mike-dyno6.jpg

[OLM-02R]

nice gain matey :D:D:D any other mods u got??

[azjs]

Torque figures?

-az

[ah789454]

one word NOS!!

[BLKCRX]

hmm NOS now your talking !! what a great way to get more HP from a push of a button !!!


Regards James

[LatinoHatchCrap]

Stroking is not necessary you can achieve close to 190 whp just by using JDM ITR .25mm o/s pistons and a good cam choice. With 5k+/- this is wot you can get:

apexi power intake
jdm 4-1
apexi n1 +custom piping
CTR cams and valve train
cam gears
coilovers
hondata+tuning

if you can do bits and pieces yourself it would save you a lot of cash also if you can source bits 2nd hand in good condition you'll save a lot as well...but tuning is the key as james said dont underestimate it.gl and let us know how you go.

[UR2L8]

LatinoHatchCrap: They are nice mods he can do but his got $5000 to spend, and what your talking about is over $6000 not tuned not fitted.
And once you play around with your internals, like changing your cams and/or valve train, your making power but sacrificing reliablity from stregthening one part and leaving everything alse (inside) stock.

Apexi N1
Spoon/Mugen Headers (not more than $1900, expencive but the most important part of the exhaust).
ECU (PiggyBack or Tunable ECU)

That should be along the $4500-$5500mark. Instaled and tuned. Just got to shop around.

[soul4real]

If you've just got headers, exhaust, intake, would you need to fork out for a fully tuneable ecu ?

[wynode]

If you've just got headers, exhaust, intake, would you need to fork out for a fully tuneable ecu ?To make good use of the mods, yes.

[soul4real]

How much difference is a piggyback ecu going to make compared to a fully tuneable ecu for these mods, in terms of performance. Cost wise, surely it will save you a few hundred as well ?