air leak in stretched tyres

[tom_son]

hey guys,

so i have some 195/45/15 on a 9 inch wide wheel

i put 2 wheels on the rear of my car, went to go for a test drive, went down my drive way it started leaking air... so i immediately drove it back up into the drive way, within 5 minutes the tire was completely flat, this is both tires... does anyone know what the problem is? need more seals? broken bead? i dont know, someone who has encountered this problem and have any input would help, and any place you recommend to remount these wheels would help, preferably a place that doesn't say "oh its leaking cause its the wrong size tyre, so we cant help you"

thanks in advance, tom

[Cartoon]

No offense but 195 on a 9 inch wide rim is more than likely the problem. That's super stretched.

[bennjamin]

as above

at the extreme edges of the rim , they are deformed beyond the normal limits of use. Static it might be OK but while driving the tyre will deform further.
You are doing something illegal and dangerous so dont be surprised !

[tom_son]

damm you guys sound like every tyre shop i talk to, where the car enthusiast at, cant i be dumb and stupid with my car while i still can :'( yeah i know its stupid and dangerous but i just want to, i know theres risks involved but whatever man lifes too short to be running normal size tires

[u mad?]

not when u are endangering other road users, i think that is the biggest issue here.

[EKVTIR-T]

not when u are endangering other road users and pedestrians, i think that is the biggest issue here.:thumbsup:

[mocchi]

Stretched|Works

[neut]

hahah mocchi!!

[curtis265]

not when u are endangering other road users, i think that is the biggest issue here.

wisest post here

sorry OP

[tom_son]

just out of curiosity? whats the worst that can happen though, like tyre just rolls out my wheel and i end up driving on the rims? tyre flies into other lane, other road users dodge and they hit other cars and then somebody gets injured, but doesnt that risk come with every other thing we do? you cant tell me you havent speed on the road, thats endangering other road users, let the police do the law enforcement..

[tom_son]

wisest post here

sorry OP

nah its all good lol, i know where you guys are coming from... just want to know what the problem was, not get lectured about how my stretched tires isnt safe for myself as well as other road users, appreciate the fact that youre respecting the rules lol but now i know its leaking cause the stretch is too much lol if the thread gets off topic im gonna delete it lol

[curtis265]

just out of curiosity? whats the worst that can happen though, like tyre just rolls out my wheel and i end up driving on the rims? tyre flies into other lane, other road users dodge and they hit other cars and then somebody gets injured, but doesnt that risk come with every other thing we do? you cant tell me you havent speed on the road, thats endangering other road users, let the police do the law enforcement..


i literally suspect that your tyres are just too stretched.

http://tyrestretch.com/9.0_195_45_R15/

just as an idea of what they'd look like...

i think you're pushing the boundaries of stretching there

[EKVTIR-T]

if the wheel is old it can have debris and shit on the inner edge making it seal badly,let alone the tyre being stretched as well

maybe if its brand new wheel and brand new tyre will seal naice

[tom_son]

the way i see it, if someone else can run 195/45 on their 9 inch wheel, i can do the same, but i admit kinda pushing it abit there... maybe crossing the border ... just a bit

[tom_son]

they are brand new wheels with brand new tires, ozzy tires fitted them for me and they put tubes in all 4, but **** that place, that place is a shit hole with shit service and shit everything

[PHO]

Tubes? Who uses tubes these days

[tom_son]

what i might do is just ditch the 195/45 go 205/50 and go from there

[Integra-GSi]

the way i see it, if someone else can run 195/45 on their 9 inch wheel, i can do the same, but i admit kinda pushing it abit there... maybe crossing the border ... just a bit

Running a 195 on a 9 is just stupidly ridiculous, I should know, I was around 10 years ago when the point of stance was to make your car look cool. These days people think you can run anything on anything and wonder why their tire looses its bead :thumbdwn: That tyre is designed for a 7" wheel max, get yourself a 205. Your Honda is not hardcore enough to be Bosozoku sorry... no, not unless it's a 1G or a 2G Civic, or maybe an S800 otherwise it just doesn't look right. It's also unsafe as you can have a tyre roll off mid corner...

You also stuff it up for the rest of it, hence why my Z10 Soarer is now in pieces in my garage, I just can't be bothered dealing with idiots anymore. "Stance" and "hella flush" only looks good on cars that suit it and for the majority that's not Hondas. It's just stupid Mexicans who've seen one to many Zok car and thought up some dumb trend thats actually ruined it for everyone else who did it properly.

[tom_son]

Running a 195 on a 9 is just stupidly ridiculous, I should know, I was around 10 years ago when the point of stance was to make your car look cool. These days people think you can run anything on anything and wonder why their tire looses its bead :thumbdwn: That tyre is designed for a 7" wheel max, get yourself a 205. Your Honda is not hardcore enough to be Bosozoku sorry... no, not unless it's a 1G or a 2G Civic, or maybe an S800 otherwise it just doesn't look right. It's also unsafe as you can have a tyre roll off mid corner...

You also stuff it up for the rest of it, hence why my Z10 Soarer is now in pieces in my garage, I just can't be bothered dealing with idiots anymore. "Stance" and "hella flush" only looks good on cars that suit it and for the majority that's not Hondas. It's just stupid Mexicans who've seen one to many Zok car and thought up some dumb trend thats actually ruined it for everyone else who did it properly.

Appreciate your 2cents, at the end of the day I make my own decisions so I run whatever tyres I want, not to get butthurt but, if it's being an idiot to stretch my tyres and put 9 inch wheels on an integra, then I guess I'm the biggest idiot of them all, your input informs me of the dangers and stuff that could happen and may possibly will happen and I thank you for that cause it'll prob save lives, but when my tires come off Mid turn, when I get to that point I'll deal with it then, I don't wanna sound cocky or ignorant but I'm pretty sure that's how I come off as, I will do what I have to do, whether it be to buy new tyres or just ditch the wheels altogether, a simple "no it's not smart/cool to run 195/45 on 9inch wheels, what you should have done was __________ What you can do now is __________, your stupid decisions may affect some of us, think about it mate" I get it now, thanks guys for the replies/inputs! Much appreciated

[bennjamin]

Did you bother to check the valves at all ? They are cheap to replace and might be your issue.

[ctx]

asks forum for advice

dismisses advice

[carayan]

asks forum for advice

dismisses advice

forum posting 101

[markismaximus]

I'm glad you live in NSW...

[tom_son]

Did you bother to check the valves at all ? They are cheap to replace and might be your issue.

yeah i have its not it lol

[mocchi]

asks forum for advice

dismisses advice


forum posting 101


I'm glad you live in NSW...

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[Super-DA9]

ok.. I'm going to summarize here.

You have 195 tyres on a 9" wide wheel.

Your tyres are leaking.

There are no punctures in the tyres.

Your valves are fine.

There is only ONE thing left that can cause the leak, and it is exactly what the tyre shops have been saying.

You're tyres are WAY to narrow for a 9" wide wheel. They are leaking because they are being stretched so far that the lip of the tyre is not fully contacting the surface of the wheel, and thus air is escaping. Sure, you could argue "but some people get away with 195 on 9 inch" but this doesn't necessarily mean ALL tyres (or in this case YOUR tyres) will seal too.

There is one way to fix your leak permanently. Get tyres that stretch less. i.e. the correct size or at least wider than 195.

If it's a fitment issue, you can always run some camber or pull the guards out a bit.

[Integra-GSi]

asks forum for advice

dismisses advice

lol ;)

[lolmclol]

Post pics of car from front and back so we can analyse the level of poke to see where the air is escaping from

[tom_son]

ok.. I'm going to summarize here.

You have 195 tyres on a 9" wide wheel.

Your tyres are leaking.

There are no punctures in the tyres.

Your valves are fine.

There is only ONE thing left that can cause the leak, and it is exactly what the tyre shops have been saying.

You're tyres are WAY to narrow for a 9" wide wheel. They are leaking because they are being stretched so far that the lip of the tyre is not fully contacting the surface of the wheel, and thus air is escaping. Sure, you could argue "but some people get away with 195 on 9 inch" but this doesn't necessarily mean ALL tyres (or in this case YOUR tyres) will seal too.

There is one way to fix your leak permanently. Get tyres that stretch less. i.e. the correct size or at least wider than 195.

If it's a fitment issue, you can always run some camber or pull the guards out a bit.


yeah thanks mate, that was probably the best thing i've heard lol, thats probably the case, i'm gonna just put wider size tires on them and just figure it out, just out of curiosity, what would be a "safe stretched" tyre size for a 15x9+10 wheel, some people might argue safe and stretch cant be put in one sentence but .. yeh

[Super-DA9]

yeah thanks mate, that was probably the best thing i've heard lol, thats probably the case, i'm gonna just put wider size tires on them and just figure it out, just out of curiosity, what would be a "safe stretched" tyre size for a 15x9+10 wheel, some people might argue safe and stretch cant be put in one sentence but .. yeh

I'm not really into stance and all that so I don't know if there's such thing as a safe stretch, but I doubt there is. Basically the more you stretch a tyre the more risk there is.

But there's already been enough posted about that.

My advice is, fit the widest tyre you can get away with. Roll your guards as much as possible, even pull them if you need to. Increase your camber a bit (depending on how much you have already, don't go like -4 or anything ridiculous).

Once you've got your guard clearance sorted out, ask wherever you go for tyres to fit a size that will clear. Hopefully the same width as the wheel or only 1-2 sizes less.

But to be honest, 15x9 +10 is a very unsuitable wheel size for a honda.. It's not going to be easy to get it to work..

[Integra-GSi]

To be honest, 15x9 +10 is a very unsuitable wheel size for a honda.. It's not going to be easy to get it to work..

Sorry if I sounded a bit uppity when all I meant to say was this. There is also the legal thing of not being allowed to go wider than 1" wider than stock tires on a Front Wheel Drive car, but if you're going to be running 15x10s I don't think the law really means much.

All I was saying is that 15x10s don't really suit much unless you've got some old rear wheel drive car to put them on and there really is no point in running anything wider than a 7" wide rim unless you're trying to put 300hp+ to the ground and then there's not a lot of us with Integra's that are running anywhere near that sort of power.

You will really also find it difficult to find a wheel in the right offset that doesn't foul your suspension, or doesn't require you to run over fenders. It's hard enough to find a 7 or 8 inch wide rim in a suitable offset for a Honda.

[RenzokukenJ]

Sorry mate gonna do some picking here


damm you guys sound like every tyre shop i talk to

You dismiss every tyre shop PLUS everyone on here's information, just because you aren't hearing/reading what you want the problem to be.. Umm k


just out of curiosity? whats the worst that can happen though, like tyre just rolls out my wheel and i end up driving on the rims? tyre flies into other lane, other road users dodge and they hit other cars and then somebody gets injured, but doesnt that risk come with every other thing we do? you cant tell me you havent speed on the road, thats endangering other road users, let the police do the law enforcement..

Tyre and explode from too much expanding/inflating and can cause you to spin out and hit someone

Tyre can explode with force and cause you to roll your car (actually happened to a friend of mine)

People look at your car thinking "wtf why the fuk have tyres like that" and hit someone else

List goes on


they are brand new wheels with brand new tires, ozzy tires fitted them for me and they put tubes in all 4, but **** that place, that place is a shit hole with shit service and shit everything

Were they giving you shit because of your massively stretched tyres?


Appreciate your 2cents, at the end of the day I make my own decisions so I run whatever tyres I want, not to get butthurt but, if it's being an idiot to stretch my tyres and put 9 inch wheels on an integra, then I guess I'm the biggest idiot of them all, your input informs me of the dangers and stuff that could happen and may possibly will happen and I thank you for that cause it'll prob save lives, but when my tires come off Mid turn, when I get to that point I'll deal with it then, I don't wanna sound cocky or ignorant but I'm pretty sure that's how I come off as, I will do what I have to do, whether it be to buy new tyres or just ditch the wheels altogether, a simple "no it's not smart/cool to run 195/45 on 9inch wheels, what you should have done was __________ What you can do now is __________, your stupid decisions may affect some of us, think about it mate" I get it now, thanks guys for the replies/inputs! Much appreciated

Yh nh, sorry buddy but the information is there, time to accept

[tom_son]

Sorry if I sounded a bit uppity when all I meant to say was this. There is also the legal thing of not being allowed to go wider than 1" wider than stock tires on a Front Wheel Drive car, but if you're going to be running 15x10s I don't think the law really means much.

All I was saying is that 15x10s don't really suit much unless you've got some old rear wheel drive car to put them on and there really is no point in running anything wider than a 7" wide rim unless you're trying to put 300hp+ to the ground and then there's not a lot of us with Integra's that are running anywhere near that sort of power.

You will really also find it difficult to find a wheel in the right offset that doesn't foul your suspension, or doesn't require you to run over fenders. It's hard enough to find a 7 or 8 inch wide rim in a suitable offset for a Honda.

yeah man i understand that, but sometimes you just gotta go against the grain and see how it works out, you win some you lose some, if it blows up car gets written off i get put in hospital, i learnt it the hard way then i guess lol then i know not to **** around with 195/45 on a 9inch wheel anymore.. but if it works then it works good for me, to be honest on the real, everyone here prob wont even care when they wake up tomorrow LOL it was just a controversial topic haha all jokes aside will take advice and go abit wider size tyres, if it still doesnt work out im just going to put on normal stock wheels lol


Sorry mate gonna do some picking here

no they werent giving me shit for my massively stretch tyres lol, they charged me for 4 cut guards but only cut the rears and rolled the fronts, i accept the information mate, i know its dangerous and shit lol but did i ask if it was safe to put 195/45 on a 9 inch wheel, we all know its dumb and stupid, i simply asked for people whose encountered the problem themselves (not your friend) and the problem was why air was leaking out of my wheels. as super-da9 said it can just be the fact that the wheel is just too small and the seal is not in contact fully, yeah i now know the problem. i didnt ask if it was okay to stretch 195/45 on a 9 inch wheel or whether its safe or what not lol.

ps. hope your friend is alright dude

[RenzokukenJ]

no they werent giving me shit for my massively stretch tyres lol, they charged me for 4 cut guards but only cut the rears and rolled the fronts, i accept the information mate, i know its dangerous and shit lol but did i ask if it was safe to put 195/45 on a 9 inch wheel, we all know its dumb and stupid, i simply asked for people whose encountered the problem themselves (not your friend) and the problem was why air was leaking out of my wheels. as super-da9 said it can just be the fact that the wheel is just too small and the seal is not in contact fully, yeah i now know the problem. i didnt ask if it was okay to stretch 195/45 on a 9 inch wheel or whether its safe or what not lol.

ps. hope your friend is alright dude

The information is all there, but you seem to continuously dismiss it..

[Integra-GSi]

The answer you're looking for is quite simple dude and I've already said it, your tires aren't sealing because they're simply too small and your stretch is something ridiculous. If you post up some photos of what your stretch currently looks like we can assess why your tires are leaking air, but it's pretty simple and its already been said.

The other factor here is that some tires will stretch better than others and if you really want to be a toolbox about things you're just going to have to work out what anyone else is doing who is running a 195 and what sort of tires they are using to achieve that kind of stretch. As I said though you're running at the limits of what a tire can handle on a 7" rim with a 195 and you're expecting it to run on a 9" rim, it's not a good combination.

I do not condone your actions or the trouble you're going to get yourself into, be a little more sensible like myself and run a 195 over a 7.

I'll give you a few more tips as well:

1) what you are trying to achieve in filling your guards up can be achieved and actually look good quite simply by choosing a wheel with the correct offset in the first place. That hella flush look can be achieved with a 5" wide wheel all things given if it is the correct offset. Yes, those +/- numbers do actually mean something.

2) If you want more tire outside of the guard then all it takes is running a wheel with more offset, e.g. running a +25 instead of a +30 means about 5mm of your tire will already be outside of your guard with a 7" wide rim, you've already modified your guards, you can probably run a +20 or even a +15.

2) I'm going to be running a 195 over a 7 and have more tire width on the ground and hence a wider looking tire on the ground, I could even run a 205 and have more tire width on the ground with a 7" wheel than you're ever going to have. It's not your rim size that creates the perception of width but how much tire you actually have on the ground. Nobody really is going to see half a 10 inch rim that's not on the ground and half up in the air due to you running stupid amounts of camber to make things fit. You just end up looking like this.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4071/4625800603_861748f4c0_o.jpg

You're effectively running on a 5" tyre anyway by achieving this look as you will be riding almost entirely on the shoulder of your tire as opposed to the middle of the tire that you should be running on.

3) Having your rim lip exposed without a tire on it just looks kinda ridiculous and then it's not even all that anyway, having too much stretch just ends up looking ridiculous. The effect your going for instead is to have the majority (all??) of the lip of your rim exposed for whatever reason... this will also not provide you with any protection from gutter rash that, that bit of exposed tire lip is supposed to be providing your rim with.

4) You will have to relearn how to park so as you don't rash the shit out of your wheels... It's not going to happen, you will rash them anyway and then complain when someone doesn't pay you $1500 when you go to try to sell your rashed as **** Rotas.

5) You've already completely screwed up your suspension geometry in the name of looks on a car that is schizophrenic as anything in the first place without being lowered. Integras don't take well to bumps anyway, the first pot hole at speed could put your car into the path of on coming traffic even if it doesn't destroy your tire/rim in the process.

Having the correct offset is going to make the most difference to how your wheels look on your car and nothing much more else, the more stretch and camber that you run, the less contact area and grip you're actually going to have on the road. Running 205s will improve your grip and your prospect of not developing an air leak.

[Daveho1]

guise srs i got the siks bros at ozzy tyres to install bicycle tyres on car but it not berry good cause im a ______, plez help so i can ignore.

p.s goby plz

[simmy]

What brand tyres lad

Some tyres stretch well and some don't.

Regards,

Luke.

[Cartoon]

What look u want is up to you. I don't understand stretching tyres but I'm more into having a car that will function. I won't even run anything less than 205 I my 8 inch rims with my ideal size 225

Your tyres may have a stiff side wall causing it to not like the stretch. As said above some stretch better than others.

[nickk]

I used to try and stretch ridiculous tyres onto the most over-sized wheels you could imagine all the time when I used to run a tyre shop...

The inside edge of the tyre (bead) is meant to meet the rim at a perpendicular angle (like 90 degs) on a correctly matching wheel and tyre.

What you are doing is forcing the beads to be parallel with the rim from the outside in and they aren't sealing.

If you are trying to stretch something like a set of 195/45 nexens or federals or something rubbish like that, that is why you are failing.

You need to pick a tyre suitable in that size for stretch, like a Toyo T1R... you can make them look like rubber bands and they will hold air and corner without un-mounting them but you will obviously be sacrificing grip and probably buckle your wheels over the first decent pothole you don't notice if your pressures are right.

....

p.s. the inside of the valve is probably pushing the sidewall directly against the road every time it rolls over it and lets air escape for a fraction of a second while the tyre isn't round...





http://youtu.be/hNn0IxLFMfY?t=13s LOL

[Jasemas]

just out of curiosity? whats the worst that can happen though, like tyre just rolls out my wheel and i end up driving on the rims? tyre flies into other lane, other road users dodge and they hit other cars and then somebody gets injured, but doesnt that risk come with every other thing we do? you cant tell me you havent speed on the road, thats endangering other road users, let the police do the law enforcement..

Are you being serious?
Or asking a rhetorical question?

[newpaddy3]

yeah thanks mate, that was probably the best thing i've heard lol, thats probably the case, i'm gonna just put wider size tires on them and just figure it out, just out of curiosity, what would be a "safe stretched" tyre size for a 15x9+10 wheel, some people might argue safe and stretch cant be put in one sentence but .. yeh

225 width.

Go nuts.

[tripleuse]

damm you guys sound like every tyre shop i talk to, where the car enthusiast at, cant i be dumb and stupid with my car while i still can :'( yeah i know its stupid and dangerous but i just want to, i know theres risks involved but whatever man lifes too short to be running normal size tires

this is such a classic "car enthusiast"
**** so many lols.

inb4 thread about how cops are dogs for defecting him.

[Daveho1]

inb4thread bout how to repair smashed rims

[Integra-GSi]

inb4thread about repaired rims cracking and fatality.

[newpaddy3]

inb4 parting out sale because crashed

[newpaddy3]

inb4 RIP thread

[Daveho1]

inb4thread bout the 60 minute episode bout car dumknts stretching tyres

[Bulbasaur]

inb4 stancemaster

[carayan]

inb4 why am i getting air leaks with stretched tyres



oh wait

[tom_son]

lol, blardy trolls

[newpaddy3]

lol, blardy trolls

Wait... you're still alive?

At least you haven't killed anyone yet...

[carayan]

lol, blardy trolls

im actually a real car enthusiast believe it or not

[curtis265]

im actually a real car enthusiast believe it or not

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[Daveho1]

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you must rep more n8 befor repn dis n8 again numsayn

[Daveho1]

im a killn ppl enthusiast.
yes we know

[Integra-GSi]

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[RenzokukenJ]

im actually a real car enthusiast believe it or not

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[tom_son]

Wait... you're still alive?

At least you haven't killed anyone yet...

you bet i am LOL, killed a couple actually... rear tyres popped, spun out, caused a 4 car collision, now my daily is a jet plane, thinking of stretching the tires on my jet too T_T"

[newpaddy3]

you bet i am LOL, killed a couple actually... rear tyres popped, spun out, caused a 4 car collision, now my daily is a jet plane, thinking of stretching the tires on my jet too T_T"

http://static.fjcdn.com/comments/You+didn+t+see+anything+_8199eeaf0842ab8f217b0d198 4c777b8.png

[RenzokukenJ]

you bet i am LOL, killed a couple actually... rear tyres popped, spun out, caused a 4 car collision, now my daily is a jet plane, thinking of stretching the tires on my jet too T_T"

its not actually funny to joke about that sort of thing man

[Daveho1]

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fawk man too many good wrestlers die....

http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/superstar_bio/public/talent/bio/2012/01/eddie-guerrero-bio.png

[Integra-GSi]

I know man... I know... to many drugs in wrestling...

[Daveho1]

yeah very true.
they are on the road for something like 11 months out of the year but they get occasional leave.. must be hard. makes u wonder how some of the old timers do it.

[amant02]

Only read last 2 pages,

Has anyone told op that his leaking because of strech? Its one of the many risks you take doing this. Just do it right the 1st time and forget about it, would've only cost like 40 bucks more and get rid of the ugly stance. I dont know where to start about stance.... its just like smoking... dosn't matter which way you look at it, you LOOSE in every way.

[Super-DA9]

Only read last 2 pages,

Has anyone told op that his leaking because of strech? Its one of the many risks you take doing this. Just do it right the 1st time and forget about it, would've only cost like 40 bucks more and get rid of the ugly stance. I dont know where to start about stance.... its just like smoking... dosn't matter which way you look at it, you LOOSE in every way.

Yes. Everyone has told him, check earlier pages.

[Integra-GSi]

yeah very true.
they are on the road for something like 11 months out of the year but they get occasional leave.. must be hard. makes u wonder how some of the old timers do it.

Guys like Hulk Hogan and The Undertaker must be damn near 50 and 60. So much pressure to maintain the fit as fark look of guys in their 20s and 30s. It doesn't work like that, you end up with guys like Randy Savage who have a heart attack and then die because they were driving at the same time.

[tripleuse]

lol, blardy trolls

im not trollin, stretching tires with fake wheels and other shit mods doesnt make you a enthusiast.

[ctx]

im not trollin, stretching tires with fake wheels and other shit mods doesnt make you a enthusiast.

blog site sticker placement is very important

[Integra-GSi]

Must have extra Apexi stickers as badge of honour.

[Daveho1]

guys cmon, stop giving away the good info took years on the dyno to figure dis out

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[Vvvtec]

http://www.gifsforum.com/images/gif/cool%20gifs/grand/07198996.gif

[u mad?]

http://www.gifsforum.com/images/gif/cool%20gifs/grand/07198996.gif

no way

did he live

[Oxer]

asks forum for advice

dismisses advice

Advice given not 100% accurate, should accept said advice.


ok.. I'm going to summarize here.

You have 195 tyres on a 9" wide wheel.

Your tyres are leaking.

There are no punctures in the tyres.

Your valves are fine.

There is only ONE thing left that can cause the leak, and it is exactly what the tyre shops have been saying.

You're tyres are WAY to narrow for a 9" wide wheel. They are leaking because they are being stretched so far that the lip of the tyre is not fully contacting the surface of the wheel, and thus air is escaping. Sure, you could argue "but some people get away with 195 on 9 inch" but this doesn't necessarily mean ALL tyres (or in this case YOUR tyres) will seal too.

There is one way to fix your leak permanently. Get tyres that stretch less. i.e. the correct size or at least wider than 195.

If it's a fitment issue, you can always run some camber or pull the guards out a bit.

A tire that beads will hold air regardless of how much stretch its running. There are 4 reasons why it wont hold air. 1. the wheels are damaged where the tire beads eg. scratched, bent etc. 2. the valves are leaking. 3. if multi piece, they aren't sealed properly. 4. the wheel is cracked.


I'm not really into stance and all that so I don't know if there's such thing as a safe stretch, but I doubt there is. Basically the more you stretch a tyre the more risk there is.

But there's already been enough posted about that.

My advice is, fit the widest tyre you can get away with. Roll your guards as much as possible, even pull them if you need to. Increase your camber a bit (depending on how much you have already, don't go like -4 or anything ridiculous).

Once you've got your guard clearance sorted out, ask wherever you go for tyres to fit a size that will clear. Hopefully the same width as the wheel or only 1-2 sizes less.

But to be honest, 15x9 +10 is a very unsuitable wheel size for a honda.. It's not going to be easy to get it to work..

http://i856.photobucket.com/albums/ab121/bBoxy319/5960650894_fd38cf258d_o.jpg

16x9 +0 195/45/R16 on the front. Anything is useable.

I know im late to the party, hopefully when someone else has a similar issue though they don't read the first 6 pages.

Tires aren't balloons, they wont start leaking because they are stretched, they will leak because of the reasons I posted.

[lolmclol]

I have a doctorate in tyre stretching, come at me brah.

[Super-DA9]

Is OP's wheel damaged at all?

I would like to know, because if it isn't, and the tyre and valve isn't damaged either, then it can only be one thing ;)

[Vvvtec]

Stretch, yuck.

[Super-DA9]

Stretch, yuck.

Lol, stancewoks m8

Yoloth

[cbauto]

Potato gonna potate

[carayan]

the moment a tyre is stretched beyond what its supposed to fit, its compromised. even small stretch isn't 'safe', but then again people have very different definitions of 'safe'

[Oxer]

the moment a tyre is stretched beyond what its supposed to fit, its compromised. even small stretch isn't 'safe', but then again people have very different definitions of 'safe'

By your logic the moment boost is increased on a standard turbo motor, the motor isn't safe, even if its half a pound.

The moment you put a larger exhaust on a car, its hurts the childrens ears and they cry.

[Oxer]

Is OP's wheel damaged at all?

I would like to know, because if it isn't, and the tyre and valve isn't damaged either, then it can only be one thing ;)

a puncture?

[newpaddy3]

a puncture?

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/customavatars/avatar17974_4.gif

[tripleuse]

By your logic the moment boost is increased on a standard turbo motor, the motor isn't safe, even if its half a pound.

The moment you put a larger exhaust on a car, its hurts the childrens ears and they cry.

His logics correct.By 'safe' he means unreliable, more likely it could fail. The tire is stretched past its limits thus making it more potential to fail, making it unsafe.

The moment you increase boost the moment it comes more unreliable then stock. Like anything in this world if its put outside of its limits it will become more likely to fail.

[Oxer]

His logics correct.By 'safe' he means unreliable, more likely it could fail. The tire is stretched past its limits thus making it more potential to fail, making it unsafe.

The moment you increase boost the moment it comes more unreliable then stock. Like anything in this world if its put outside of its limits it will become more likely to fail.

That's the same as "upgrading" your discs and calipers to much larger then stock, more likely to completely lock up and cause an accident.

Show me how many stretched tires have failed and been the direct cause of accidents.

[newpaddy3]

That's the same as "upgrading" your discs and calipers to much larger then stock, more likely to completely lock up and cause an accident.

Show me how many stretched tires have failed and been the direct cause of accidents.

Not really.

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/customavatars/avatar28992_21.gif

[newpaddy3]

Tires were not manufactured to do that.

The stuff that keeps you connected to the ground should kind of be a priority.

[lolmclol]

Common sense kicks in for most people before they run a tyre with an outrageously unsafe profile.

[Super-DA9]

a puncture?

Read my post again


Is OP's wheel damaged at all?

I would like to know, because if it isn't, and the tyre and valve isn't damaged either, then it can only be one thing ;)

I seem to recall that he said it wasn't a puncture in one of his posts

[Super-DA9]

On a tyre with a lot of stretch, the sidewall contacts the road when cornering. That part of the tyre is not supposed to wear and is critical to handling.

[carayan]

By your logic the moment boost is increased on a standard turbo motor, the motor isn't safe, even if its half a pound.

The moment you put a larger exhaust on a car, its hurts the childrens ears and they cry.

exactly, the motor was not designed to take more than what it is. increasing its boost increases your chance of failure. im glad you see the logic now.


His logics correct.By 'safe' he means unreliable, more likely it could fail. The tire is stretched past its limits thus making it more potential to fail, making it unsafe.

The moment you increase boost the moment it comes more unreliable then stock. Like anything in this world if its put outside of its limits it will become more likely to fail.

^exactly

That's the same as "upgrading" your discs and calipers to much larger then stock, more likely to completely lock up and cause an accident.

Show me how many stretched tires have failed and been the direct cause of accidents.

yes of course, if you can show me any situation where 'upgraded brakes' were the sole cause of an accident then i'll concede to you. i've seen many an article of stretched tyres debeading while moving. by some miracle of god nothing happened, but if that were to have exploded? or completely left the wheel? then what?


Tires were not manufactured to do that.

The stuff that keeps you connected to the ground should kind of be a priority.


On a tyre with a lot of stretch, the sidewall contacts the road when cornering. That part of the tyre is not supposed to wear and is critical to handling.

^not only critical to handling but safety. the sidewall needs space to flex, take away it away from its intended use, and reduce its space in which the sidewall can flex and its a hazard. stretch is not and never will be safe. i understand you're all stance|works and all that jazz, but endangering yourself or other human beings so you can stance your nuts off, or get wheels that shouldn't your car to fit, by using the wrong size tyres is wrong.

[tripleuse]

That's the same as "upgrading" your discs and calipers to much larger then stock, more likely to completely lock up and cause an accident.

Show me how many stretched tires have failed and been the direct cause of accidents.

still not understanding the concept of within limits.

I dont have any pictures for you nor stories, The main reason would be because i dont hang around fanboy enthusiasts who think its cool to put -10 camber, massive offsets with stretched tires and ridiculous number plates on their cars. But im sure there are fails and when it happens it is quite unsafe.

edit: umad?

[Vvvtec]

I know stories of stretched tyres coming off the rim during cornering.

Buy nice wheels, run cheapest tyres that stretch on them. Nice.

[carayan]

I know stories of stretched tyres coming off the rim during cornering.

Buy nice wheels, run cheapest tyres that stretch on them. Nice.

buy cheap wheels
put cheaper tyres for max stretch

http://b.vimeocdn.com/ps/322/679/3226798_300.jpg

[lolmclol]

not enough poke for the meat?

no spacer?

no worries

http://southerncrossfasteners.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/washers.jpg

http://b.vimeocdn.com/ps/322/679/3226798_300.jpg

[ctx]

need car to be lower? no worries

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a58/justin_42000/6d0251e3.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a58/justin_42000/IMG_4030.jpg

http://b.vimeocdn.com/ps/322/679/3226798_300.jpg

[integraR]

is it possible to stretch my 15' tyres to fit on 16' wheel?

[lolmclol]

is it possible to stretch my 15' tyres to fit on 16' wheel?

anything is possible when you want to endanger everyone around you!

http://b.vimeocdn.com/ps/322/679/3226798_300.jpg

[Oxer]

Not really.

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/customavatars/avatar28992_21.gif

Spoken to any engineers about that? brake upgrades require tests to make sure they don't lock, and if they do, they don't pass.


Common sense kicks in for most people before they run a tyre with an outrageously unsafe profile.

So a stetched 45 profile tire on a 1 tonne civic is more unsafe then a 2 tonne commonwhore on 22"s with 30 profile tires?


On a tyre with a lot of stretch, the sidewall contacts the road when cornering. That part of the tyre is not supposed to wear and is critical to handling.

ahhh.... no it doesn't.




^not only critical to handling but safety. the sidewall needs space to flex, take away it away from its intended use, and reduce its space in which the sidewall can flex and its a hazard. stretch is not and never will be safe. i understand you're all stance|works and all that jazz, but endangering yourself or other human beings so you can stance your nuts off, or get wheels that shouldn't your car to fit, by using the wrong size tyres is wrong.

No problem, Ill stop driving a car then because regardless of modifications, I could be hit by someone else and die... We should all stay indoors on our computers and live in fear.


still not understanding the concept of within limits.

I dont have any pictures for you nor stories, The main reason would be because i dont hang around fanboy enthusiasts who think its cool to put -10 camber, massive offsets with stretched tires and ridiculous number plates on their cars. But im sure there are fails and when it happens it is quite unsafe.

edit: umad?

Not mad, find it hilarious when pretty much all ozhomo trolls spam the shit out of the technical forum with their opinions... Only forum im on that allows that, generally shit talking is restricted to spam threads, not tech forums. Also find it hilarious that you picture anyone with stretch as "fanboy enthusiasts".... Im sure you have a mad posse of jdmYO civics on slipstreams.


I know stories of stretched tyres coming off the rim during cornering.

Buy nice wheels, run cheapest tyres that stretch on them. Nice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dw7SoQha2po

Didn't realise that the price of tires was a huge factor in car safety, explains why 80% of standard cars run the cheapest tires possible from bob jane t marts.

[lolmclol]

Spoken to any engineers about that? brake upgrades require tests to make sure they don't lock, and if they do, they don't pass.



So a stetched 45 profile tire on a 1 tonne civic is more unsafe then a 2 tonne commonwhore on 22"s with 30 profile tires?



ahhh.... no it doesn't.



No problem, Ill stop driving a car then because regardless of modifications, I could be hit by someone else and die... We should all stay indoors on our computers and live in fear.



Not mad, find it hilarious when pretty much all ozhomo trolls spam the shit out of the technical forum with their opinions... Only forum im on that allows that, generally shit talking is restricted to spam threads, not tech forums. Also find it hilarious that you picture anyone with stretch as "fanboy enthusiasts".... Im sure you have a mad posse of jdmYO civics on slipstreams.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dw7SoQha2po

Didn't realise that the price of tires was a huge factor in car safety, explains why 80% of standard cars run the cheapest tires possible from bob jane t marts.

example pls or ellaborate further

[Oxer]

example pls or ellaborate further

http://imgc.classistatic.com/cps/blnc/121031/366r1/7305855_20.jpeg

[lolmclol]

.... on the complete example you were trying to make e.g. what tyres does the civic have exactly, what tyres does the commodore have exactly etc.

anyone can post images.

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120320231955/glee/images/thumb/a/a6/Herp-derp-meme-face-i0.png/640px-Herp-derp-meme-face-i0.png

[Oxer]

15x9 195/45 civic 22x8 215/30 ve commodore.

Both hit a pothole, which wheel has more chance of being damaged?

[lolmclol]

civic clearly, that's a ridiculous spec of tyre to run.

[carayan]

Spoken to any engineers about that? brake upgrades require tests to make sure they don't lock, and if they do, they don't pass.



So a stetched 45 profile tire on a 1 tonne civic is more unsafe then a 2 tonne commonwhore on 22"s with 30 profile tires?



ahhh.... no it doesn't.



No problem, Ill stop driving a car then because regardless of modifications, I could be hit by someone else and die... We should all stay indoors on our computers and live in fear.



Not mad, find it hilarious when pretty much all ozhomo trolls spam the shit out of the technical forum with their opinions... Only forum im on that allows that, generally shit talking is restricted to spam threads, not tech forums. Also find it hilarious that you picture anyone with stretch as "fanboy enthusiasts".... Im sure you have a mad posse of jdmYO civics on slipstreams.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dw7SoQha2po

Didn't realise that the price of tires was a huge factor in car safety, explains why 80% of standard cars run the cheapest tires possible from bob jane t marts.

price is a factor, you buy chinese shit tyres, expect chinese shit quality and performance.

and the sidewall doesnt need to flex either hey? maximum stretch for maximum bitches

no one is spamming an opinion, only you are. its a fact, stretched tyres are not safe and just to be the devils advocate personally i'd rather run high boost and kill an engine than stretch my tyres.


in saying that though, what could possibly ever go wrong though with stretching tyresright?



http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/eurowner/stretchgonebad.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img6/8172/stretchd.jpg

http://i45.tinypic.com/350p1n8.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/q81/s720x720/1000091_539660409416907_2106517700_n.jpg

http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac268/di-devol/IMG492.jpg

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5082/5307759992_920c257ae0_b.jpg



15x9 195/45 civic 22x8 215/30 ve commodore.

Both hit a pothole, which wheel has more chance of being damaged?

what sidewall?

[Oxer]

so did OP ever find the leak?

[newpaddy3]

Spoken to any engineers about that? brake upgrades require tests to make sure they don't lock, and if they do, they don't pass.




You can lock wheels with oem brakes noob.

Shit.

I can do it with stock GSI brakes running 205 wide tyre.

gtfo

[Super-DA9]

ahhh.... no it doesn't.

This explains nothing lol

:thumbsup:

[lolmclol]

so did OP ever find the leak?

OP died when he hit a pot hole and his tyre became non-existant

[newpaddy3]

RIP op.

[lolmclol]

http://level343.com/article_archive/wp-content/uploads/RIP-500-square.jpg

"Stance worked his way to heaven"

[tripleuse]

Not mad, find it hilarious when pretty much all ozhomo trolls spam the shit out of the technical forum with their opinions... Only forum im on that allows that, generally shit talking is restricted to spam threads, not tech forums. Also find it hilarious that you picture anyone with stretch as "fanboy enthusiasts".... Im sure you have a mad posse of jdmYO civics on slipstreams.


im not trolling, it might be an opinion but our opinions have been proven and shown on this thread. Its funny that we have proven why stretching wheels are dangerous but you still havent proved to us that they are safe or legal,you just keep giving us this opinionated crap, show me some evidence. I didnt say anyone with stretch is a fanboy, read all of what i said. "-10 camber, massive offsets with stretched tires and ridiculous number plates on their cars". i can assure you i dont have a mad posse of jdmyo civic friends, But by the look of your car i can tell that might be your group of friends. ha har

[Oxer]

This explains nothing lol

:thumbsup:

and the whole sentence you wrote was bullshit.

[PHO]

Hi oxer

[newpaddy3]

and the whole sentence you wrote was bullshit.

Look, running stretched tires is not the ideal situation for performance and reliability.

Is it able to function? For most people, yes. Is it the safest way to mount a tyre? No.

[Oxer]

im not trolling, it might be an opinion but our opinions have been proven and shown on this thread. Its funny that we have proven why stretching wheels are dangerous but you still havent proved to us that they are safe or legal,you just keep giving us this opinionated crap, show me some evidence. I didnt say anyone with stretch is a fanboy, read all of what i said. "-10 camber, massive offsets with stretched tires and ridiculous number plates on their cars". i can assure you i dont have a mad posse of jdmyo civic friends, But by the look of your car i can tell that might be your group of friends. ha har

Everyone knows stretching tires isn't exactly legal, although I havent yet been shown a law that rules it out.

If you think my car looks jdm, maybe you should stick to reading more instead of posting and learn about different styles.

[Oxer]

Look, running stretched tires is not the ideal situation for performance and reliability.

Is it able to function? For most people, yes. Is it the safest way to mount a tyre? No.

regardless, it has nothing to do with OP's air leak.

[tripleuse]

Everyone knows stretching tires isn't exactly legal, although I havent yet been shown a law that rules it out.

If you think my car looks jdm, maybe you should stick to reading more instead of posting and learn about different styles.

you have problems with comprehending texts. I did not say that your car was jdm. What do you mean a law that rules it out? Its unsafe to drive on for the reasons we just said, So it would go under NOT ROAD WORTHY.Not road worthy is quite a broad law. It covers anything that makes the car unsafe.

[Super-DA9]

and the whole sentence you wrote was bullshit.

Haha, but you can't seem to explain why. Settle pettle :P

[newpaddy3]

regardless, it has nothing to do with OP's air leak.

Actually, a tyre's sidewall is meant to be mounted so it runs close to parallel with the faces of the wheel.

When you stretch a tyre it changes the angle of load of the air pressure within the tyre.

So where the tyre mates to the wheel it's experiencing an air pressure direction it was not meant to, and if you include camber into the equation, the weight of the vehicle will also help deform the tyre.

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/customavatars/avatar28992_21.gif

[RenzokukenJ]

Everyone knows stretching tires isn't exactly legal, although I havent yet been shown a law that rules it out.

If you think my car looks jdm, maybe you should stick to reading more instead of posting and learn about different styles.

Guise pls, just all stop.

Oxers car is clearly audm special

Oxer you still haven't explained why you think a stretched tyre is as safe as mounting a normal tyre.

[Renaissance_x]

It also looks bad.

Why don't people just flare there guards and fit the wheels properly instead of fitting them all weird and sideways so the car looks ugly and broken?

[Oxer]

Guise pls, just all stop.

Oxers car is clearly audm special

Oxer you still haven't explained why you think a stretched tyre is as safe as mounting a normal tyre.


Mounting is no different, they bead the same, they hold the same pressure, they run on the same pressure, they handle no differently.

all you guys are forgetting that tires are made of that flexible stuff called rubber, along with nylon and steel.

If you're anal, the lack of sidewall flex is transferred to the tread that is contacting the ground. Depending on the compound of tire this may cause premature wear, but of course driving on the road doing the speed limit doesn't wear the tire as much as say "spirited" driving.

In terms of roadworthy-ness, you're only allowed to go 15mm taller or shorter in rolling diameter, and the same goes for width, when compared to the factory tire size, found on your placard on the drivers side pillar (assuming its a 90's model honda that hasn't been resprayed) So anyone rolling a 15x8 with a 225/50 is technically "unroadworthy" in victoria anyways.

The angle of a tire's sidewall has nothing to do with the bead of the tire. If you've ever looked at an unmounted tire, the bead surface isnt a square 90 degrees. Also the bead surface on the wheel is usually larger then the bead surface on the tire, and also has a lip that acts as a "fail-safe" of sorts. The reason wheels and tire diameters are made in intervals of inches is due to the fact that they squeeze over the bead lips to create an air tight seal.

Im not going to go into the way that temperatures affects the pressure within the tires, because surely you all arent that stupid.

As far as camber goes, sure it affects the weight distribution on the tire, but that's why they have load ratings, if you're within the limits, it makes it much harder to "roll a tire off a rim". The sidewall doesn't contact the ground until you're getting to the -20's camber specs, believe it or not Super-DA9, even under cornering.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5208/5281404079_af50419547_b.jpg

That's -6.5, that's also a 215/40, At that point in time, you can see there was plenty of tread, and the sidewall is well clear of the contact area. Another misconception is camber = tire wear, when in reality toe is the biggest factor in tire wear.



I know I've just wasted 10 mins of my life typing this in response to forum trolls, I also know that you will still debate and nit pick what I've written and tell me how unsafe it is and how many people I have and will continue to kill.

UMAD Ozhomos?

[Super-DA9]

Wasn't that pic from when your car had to get towed away because it got defected?

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5285/5281975436_cf997ec965_b.jpg

[lolmclol]

nah that must be another unsafe roadworthy vehicle

[Oxer]

Wasn't that pic from when your car had to get towed away because it got defected?

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5285/5281975436_cf997ec965_b.jpg

Yep.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5316/5915266466_2b3fdaae6a.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/oxerdan/5915266466/)

[Super-DA9]

What was the defect for?

[Oxer]

too low, coilovers, wheels.

That time one of the cops told me 3pc wheels were illegal.


Ive heard much more bullshit from cops then you guys have.

[Renaissance_x]

Yep.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5316/5915266466_2b3fdaae6a.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/oxerdan/5915266466/)

Why would we have the problem?

It's you who couldn't drive the car home but for some reason that makes you cool on the internet or something???

Not having a go at you or anything it's just you are a person I find difficult to understand.

[Super-DA9]

too low, coilovers, wheels.

That time one of the cops told me 3pc wheels were illegal.


Ive heard much more bullshit from cops then you guys have.

Yes, it appears that way. Why do you get so much cop attention?

[PHO]

Hi oxer

[ctx]

Yes, it appears that way. Why do you get so much cop attention?

cos gammin

[RenzokukenJ]

Mounting is no different, they bead the same, they hold the same pressure, they run on the same pressure, they handle no differently.

all you guys are forgetting that tires are made of that flexible stuff called rubber, along with nylon and steel.

If you're anal, the lack of sidewall flex is transferred to the tread that is contacting the ground. Depending on the compound of tire this may cause premature wear, but of course driving on the road doing the speed limit doesn't wear the tire as much as say "spirited" driving.

In terms of roadworthy-ness, you're only allowed to go 15mm taller or shorter in rolling diameter, and the same goes for width, when compared to the factory tire size, found on your placard on the drivers side pillar (assuming its a 90's model honda that hasn't been resprayed) So anyone rolling a 15x8 with a 225/50 is technically "unroadworthy" in victoria anyways.

The angle of a tire's sidewall has nothing to do with the bead of the tire. If you've ever looked at an unmounted tire, the bead surface isnt a square 90 degrees. Also the bead surface on the wheel is usually larger then the bead surface on the tire, and also has a lip that acts as a "fail-safe" of sorts. The reason wheels and tire diameters are made in intervals of inches is due to the fact that they squeeze over the bead lips to create an air tight seal.

Im not going to go into the way that temperatures affects the pressure within the tires, because surely you all arent that stupid.

As far as camber goes, sure it affects the weight distribution on the tire, but that's why they have load ratings, if you're within the limits, it makes it much harder to "roll a tire off a rim". The sidewall doesn't contact the ground until you're getting to the -20's camber specs, believe it or not Super-DA9, even under cornering.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5208/5281404079_af50419547_b.jpg

That's -6.5, that's also a 215/40, At that point in time, you can see there was plenty of tread, and the sidewall is well clear of the contact area. Another misconception is camber = tire wear, when in reality toe is the biggest factor in tire wear.



I know I've just wasted 10 mins of my life typing this in response to forum trolls, I also know that you will still debate and nit pick what I've written and tell me how unsafe it is and how many people I have and will continue to kill.

UMAD Ozhomos?

you are terribly misinformed and an absolute idiot.

your money not mine i guess. congrats on driving a dangerous vehicle and having a lot of the wrong attention.

[Oxer]

Why would we have the problem?

It's you who couldn't drive the car home but for some reason that makes you cool on the internet or something???

Not having a go at you or anything it's just you are a person I find difficult to understand.

sounds like you have a problem?

[Renaissance_x]

There are lots of things I find difficult to understand, doesn't mean I have a problem it means I am human.

Nobody can claim to understand everything.

[Oxer]

Hi oxer

http://animatedimagepic.com/image/hi-and-hello/hi-and-hello-7411.jpg


you are terribly misinformed and an absolute idiot.

your money not mine i guess. congrats on driving a dangerous vehicle and having a lot of the wrong attention.

care to inform me then? as for the idiot part, I'm much more then that..... The sensors on this forum don't allow for such language though.

[Oxer]

There are lots of things I find difficult to understand, doesn't mean I have a problem it means I am human.

Nobody can claim to understand everything.

I'm glad you shared that thought here, it may give OP some insight as to why his tires leak.

[PHO]

How ya going

[Renaissance_x]

I'm glad you shared that thought here, it may give OP some insight as to why his tires leak.

Thank you.


Hope this post also helps.

[Oxer]

How ya going

goot u?


Thank you.


Hope this post also helps.

Absolutely.

[RenzokukenJ]

http://animatedimagepic.com/image/hi-and-hello/hi-and-hello-7411.jpg



care to inform me then? as for the idiot part, I'm much more then that..... The sensors on this forum don't allow for such language though.

We have covered it for you many times, however you seem to disagree, maybe because you are trolling or maybe just plain silly.

It's like arguing with a religious person. Never sees the truth.

[Oxer]

We have covered it for you many times, however you seem to disagree, maybe because you are trolling or maybe just plain silly.

It's like arguing with a religious person. Never sees the truth.

Well that's, like, your opinion, man.

[PHO]

goot u?


Not bad ay.

Can u convince mo to finish his 32 already and slam it?

[RenzokukenJ]

Well that's, like, your opinion, man.

Well, like, not really man.

You skew the views of people looking for information, which means more people with unsafe cars start driving around, adding to the idiots that are already on the road.

Rather give correct information, rather then incorrect information.

[Super-DA9]

Why are you running so much camber Ox? You have a 9" wide wheel but it looks like you only have 4" of tread on the road, judging from that photo. that is less than stock..?

[Oxer]

Not bad ay.

Can u convince mo to finish his 32 already and slam it?

LOL, good luck with that!


Well, like, not really man.

You skew the views of people looking for information, which means more people with unsafe cars start driving around, adding to the idiots that are already on the road.

Rather give correct information, rather then incorrect information.

How is any of what I said incorrect? actually, dont bother, because you've already told me so many times. Add to my neg rep if you like to discredit me, im sure people will believe you from all your spamshit.


Why are you running so much camber Ox? You have a 9" wide wheel but it looks like you only have 4" of tread on the road, judging from that photo. that is less than stock..?

Its actually 9.5" but imagine if it was 6", then there's only be ~3"

All vw beetles should be off the road too, with their 135 tires.

[PHO]

Already tried man :'[

Its a good project though. He just needs it done already so he can enjoy it. Haha

[Super-DA9]

If you are being sarcastic, by that logic, you are saying any car can have 135 tyres because beetles do.

wat

[u mad?]

is op dead yet

[Super-DA9]

is op dead yet

http://www.gifsforum.com/images/gif/cool%20gifs/grand/07198996.gif

[Chernoby1]

It's like arguing with a religious person. Never sees the truth.

Seeing as the thread is hijacked... you kinda cant disprove god.... only not believe in gods existance. Same as religious peeps can only believe god and not prove it to be so... as such the 'truth' isnt really clear.

To analyze the streched tyre thing a bit... is the consequence of the tire failing and better/worse? No. Can you estimate the frequency of injury/death/totalling the car? Ive got no stats bt id say something like 1/500 (0.002%) of tyre blowouts (regardless of reason) lead to serious problems.

youve only made it more likely to happen. Now im going to make these figures up, but based on my own experience.... id say the chance that my nonstreched tyre will blow while driving for whatever reason is at like 0.05%. I have now gone and installed them streched tyres... and the likelyhood im going to have an incident that leads to the tyres going pop has gone up by a factor of 100 (10000% more likely than a blow out under normal conditions)... the grand total chance of tyre failure is now 5%.

So the chance of it happening (1/20) multiplied by the chance of serious consequences due to a tyre blow out (1/500) = 0.0001%

SOOOOooooo if you drive THAT car twice per day on average, you could expect a blowout every 10,000 th drive, or in this case 5000 days. Thats a ****ing long time.


Math is clearly overly simplified but im trying to demonstrate that it probably isnt that "Risky" to do.

Just as an FYI, i dont like running streched tyres. Not because of the consequences, but because i dislike the look.

[Darmanin]

Stretch & Camber = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EOKrW4ITZM


Not bad ay.

Can u convince mo to finish his 32 already and slam it?

Last i read on SAU was e cbf with it anymore

[bennjamin]

Seeing as the thread is hijacked... you kinda cant disprove god.... only not believe in gods existance. Same as religious peeps can only believe god and not prove it to be so... as such the 'truth' isnt really clear.

To analyze the streched tyre thing a bit... is the consequence of the tire failing and better/worse? No. Can you estimate the frequency of injury/death/totalling the car? Ive got no stats bt id say something like 1/500 (0.002%) of tyre blowouts (regardless of reason) lead to serious problems.

youve only made it more likely to happen. Now im going to make these figures up, but based on my own experience.... id say the chance that my nonstreched tyre will blow while driving for whatever reason is at like 0.05%. I have now gone and installed them streched tyres... and the likelyhood im going to have an incident that leads to the tyres going pop has gone up by a factor of 100 (10000% more likely than a blow out under normal conditions)... the grand total chance of tyre failure is now 5%.

So the chance of it happening (1/20) multiplied by the chance of serious consequences due to a tyre blow out (1/500) = 0.0001%

SOOOOooooo if you drive THAT car twice per day on average, you could expect a blowout every 10,000 th drive, or in this case 5000 days. Thats a ****ing long time.


Math is clearly overly simplified but im trying to demonstrate that it probably isnt that "Risky" to do.

Just as an FYI, i dont like running streched tyres. Not because of the consequences, but because i dislike the look.


Can I just say that - running stretched tires is dangerous. You are pushing them
Beyond their usual limits...beyond their design limits. It's abit silly to think otherwise - statistics or not.

[nahbrah]

here is dangerous example

http://www.stanceworks.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11804&page=4


http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7381/8716881088_4ce6883538_b.jpg

[u mad?]

http://i457.photobucket.com/albums/qq300/Z28CamaroBubble/730006_10200536272398481_91607545_o.jpg

lol

[newpaddy3]

lol or what about this where the tyre popped off the bead?

http://www.houseofstance.com/2013/09/house-of-stance-roadside-assist-diy-tyre-stretch/

[Renaissance_x]

Seeing as the thread is hijacked... you kinda cant disprove god.... only not believe in gods existance. Same as religious peeps can only believe god and not prove it to be so... as such the 'truth' isnt really clear.
.

Just like you can't prove the existance of an invisible unicorn that can't be touched or heard. The truth isn't really clear.

[newpaddy3]

Just like you can't prove the existance of an invisible unicorn that can't be touched or heard. The truth isn't really clear.

If I want to believe unicorns exist, they exist. Simple as that.

[Super-DA9]

Bro that's hellasick

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/08/19/y3e4aba9.jpg

http://i1302.photobucket.com/albums/ag126/TrevorVander/null_zps13cca388.jpg

http://i568.photobucket.com/albums/ss127/monkee_pride/skyrine7.jpg

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j304/pimpravi/IMG00077-20091221-1547.jpg

Dem tyres look tite dawg

[Chernoby1]

Can I just say that - running stretched tires is dangerous. You are pushing them
Beyond their usual limits...beyond their design limits. It's abit silly to think otherwise - statistics or not.

I completely agree you are increasing the danger. But as oxer tried to put it... you casually do many things that expose you to increased danger, but think nothing of it because the likelihood of the incident occurring is so small. When you assess any risk, the likelihood of an incident must be a factor. What your suggesting is that it is Very likely that a blowout will occur and that when it does, there will be dire consequences.

An example that some may relate to here:
The speed limit of a road is 80km/h, i assess the conditions of the road(no debris, no adverse weather, no traffic ect) and based on my previous experience believe it is safe to drive at 100km/h. While it is true that i have increased my risk, i strongly believe that the increase in risk to safety is negligible. If i am not the only one to come to similar conclusions, why is the speed limit set at 80km/h? Is it possibly because the speed limit is set for ALL conditions? Is it to ensure that when things are not ideal, that it is still safe and there will not be a multitude of crashes? Why is it unreasonable for someone to think that they are able to assess the conditions (and thus speed) themselves? Probably due to liability (eg, why was i permitted to travel at a speed that was deemed unsafe when the conditions worsened)

Similarly with the tyre size applications.. how much of that is safety and how much of that is saving their own arse? If i was to stretch the tyres but change my driving habits to accommodate for it... would that be an effective countermeasure to try and control the risk? Or are we saying:

'NUP, blanket ban!!! It is not possible to drive a vehicle on stretched tyres safely regardless of what measures you put in place."

"NUP! Everything that ever touches a powerpoint needs to be tested, and tagged and maintenance records kept... even in your own home. No excuses."

Personally, i think the way safety is managed in australia is too reliant on the systems. While it may be better than a majority of other nations, common sense has nearly been thrown out the window and theres a culture of blind faith in the systems and standards. Im suggesting that the rules should be more accommodating, but a culture shift needs to occur where people consider and take responsibility for their own and other peoples safety.

EG: I've got stretched tyres. Maybe its a good idea for me not to drive around putting load on the sidewalls because they arent designed to be used in that way... Lets be careful going over bumpy roads, ill keep additional distance from other cars because something might happen to my tyres... Sure youve introduced unnecessary danger, but is it risk worth the reward?

If you havent noticed, i have a strong dislike for taking responsibility away from people (even if it does decerse risk). IMO, it breeds a culture of complacency.. Oh ill just follow the rues and nothing can ever go wrong, so ill never ever check anything and just blame the system when things do go wrong.


Just like you can't prove the existance of an invisible unicorn that can't be touched or heard. The truth isn't really clear.

And if one was to argue that a god did exist but had no impact on anything a human could notice... practically the 'truth' may be that the god doesnt exisist, but it is not the "certain" truth. Certainty is a PITA.


If I want to believe unicorns exist, they exist. Simple as that.

They might* exist.

This is the general problem with certainty... How can you be sure that is air you are breathing? Mistro Descrates hit it on the head pretty well in the 17th century, the only thing you can be certain of is your own existence.

[Super-DA9]

In a sense I agree with you on the risk part chernobyl, but in this case i think the issue is the degree of stretch.

To put it into your example, yes you take a light risk by going 100 in an 80 zone, but the likelyhood of an accident is only small. However if you were to go faster, the likelyhood becomes higher and higher as you push further past the boundaries.

A small amount of stretch (i.e. a 195 tyre on a 8" wheel) is probably not going to cause problems. But if you were stretching that tyre onto a 9" or even 9.5" wheel you are pushing further and further beyond the boundaries, and increasing the chances of something going wrong.

OP is using a 6.5-7" wide tyre on a 9" wheel. It does not surprise me that he is having issues.

[newpaddy3]

This is the general problem with certainty... How can you be sure that is air you are breathing? Mistro Descrates hit it on the head pretty well in the 17th century, the only thing you can be certain of is your own existence.

That's what gets me all the time.

Thinking everything is just my imagination.

Shiiiiiit.

[tom_son]

OP died when he hit a pot hole and his tyre became non-existant

op still here mate, don't say i died, i just dont want to keep replying to people like you mate, since you assumed i was dead, thats why i responded, wishing death upon people isnt funny mate, if you dont have anything to say about the stretch tire/ air leaks/ safety issues with the stretch tires, keep your comments to ya self... FYI ive got rid of the wheels.

[Vvvtec]

good shit

[Daveho1]

good info here guise.

basicly op look at over stretching tyres the same way you would look at piking up dirty ass whores, sure you may go ages before you get the clap/the burn/shanghi special but if/when you do will it have been worth it?

dont be cheap kunt7, sell your tofu and dim sim and buy normal size tyre

[Super-DA9]

FYI ive got rid of the wheels.

You have made an excellent decision :thumbsup:

What you got planned for the next set?

[dove grey 64]

I think the main issue you had was your sidewall was too short. Heaps of guys in the toyota scene run 185 60 14 on 9" rims and dont have issues. Not recommending it or anything. 45 profile sidewalls are too stiff to stretch.

[nickk]

lol or what about this where the tyre popped off the bead?

http://www.houseofstance.com/2013/09/house-of-stance-roadside-assist-diy-tyre-stretch/

lmao at oxers bfs ^^^^

funny the lengths people goto to look cool, to the point where you turn into a pyromaniac on the side of the road making a potato cannon out of a wheel and tyre.

If these morons at very least used a bead blaster to mount that stupid tyre on that stupid rim IN THE BEGINNING they definately wouldn't have been on the side of the road there spraying flammable liquids on pieces of rubber.

Once your sidewalls are stretched beyond straight, its not safe, full stop.
Has anyone seen how most modern tyres are made? The rubber in the sidewall is VERY different in composition to the tread and the steel reinforcement from outside in changes completely.

Stretched tyres might look cool, but they should only be fitted to be rolled on, not to be cornered or accelerated hard on.

All you need is for the outside lip of your rim (that isn't protected by the RIM PROTECTOR anymore because your tyres are stretched like a b1tch) to merely roll over any stone that is the size of a golf ball or bigger and one or more of the following things will happen:
(I'm not even mentioning hitting a pothole or bump too hard... because just doing lightly that will squeeze air out of the tyre for a split second. The bigger the rim is the more chance these things will be happening.)

- Bulge in the sidewall due to the stone separating the woven steel reinforcement

- Split in the sidewall which will cause the whole sidewall to separate from the bead like on that gay blue toyota

- Rim will press the stone into the road and give you a nice buckle and if your rims are sh1t enough they will crack instead and piss air out while you look around at other motorists in disbelief while they laugh at you and your Wakaba leaf decal on your rear 1/4 window.

http://www.abbsrytire.com/tirepiccc333.gif


IF YOU NEED TO PUT UNDERSIZED AND UNDER LOAD RATED TYRES ON YOUR CAR TO GET THEM TO FIT;

MODIFYING CARS... YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG KILL YOURSELF while I pass you sideways in 3rd gear with 315's, barely -1 and one hand out the window giving you the finger because my car actually handles without the risk of the tyres falling off.


It is very easy to have a lot of fun in life, especially with cars if you choose to exercise a little common sense from time to time.



P.S. In response to people speaking about road rules and why speed limits are the way they are and don't change according to conditions etc.
Don't be naive, the government doesn't care how fast you go or what you do to your car... they just don't want to pay to be removing dead bodies off the road all day when they could be setting imaginary "safety" parameters and cashing in on it when people don't abide exactly by them and get caught doing so.

[Chernoby1]

the speeding esxample is just that, an example. Not at all what i think :P

And there is one BIG problem with your argument. You are saying saying modifying for asthetics is "wrong". I know a few people who are much much much more interested in modifying a car with little/no interest in Driving it. IE, driving is not fun for them but they enjoy making cars 'look tough' (subjective term dont go spaz at it 'looking stupid').

What would be wrong is doing these sorts of things and expecting to be able to push the car hard, or even drive it normally.
The other thing that would be rong is to assume that using the tyres in this way will NOT lead to the above problems.... again, i know people who are willing to live with replacing tyres over a small amount of distance covered... why? Because they dont really cover much/any distance in them at all.

[Renaissance_x]

If I want to believe unicorns exist, they exist. Simple as that.

Just replace the word "unicorns" with "god" and this post would sum up religion in a nutshell.

[nickk]

Dude.... I can put a dress on and wear it in public out for "aesthetic reasons" doesn't mean it's not horribly wrong.


This is probably the best analogy I can come up with right now...

Putting stretched tyres on your car is like refining your own 80 octane fuel and then using it for a major disadvantage over ready to go 98oct from the pump purely for bragging rights.

It might not necessarily be a dangerous thing to do under certain conditions with a responsible and cluey person, but it doesn't mean that it is not a completely idiotic thing to do none the less.

So... stretched tyres...

Do they look better though? For the purpose of aesthetics? That is completely a matter of opinion, which everyone is entitled to. Who am I or you to judge what looks good and what doesn't look good? That obviously comes down to the owner.

Do they make a car handle better? No

Do they make a car more comfortable? No

Do they help your car stop quicker? No

Do they help you increase your chances of avoiding a collision? No

So they aren't not safer? No

Well they must last longer? No

Well if they don't last longer they must cheaper to maintain/replace? Obviously not.

How about a QUALITY upgrade of the wheel and tyre combination for a car

Do they make a car handle better? Yes

Do they make a car more comfortable? Yes

Do they help your car stop quicker? Yes

Do they help you increase your chances of avoiding a collision? Yes

So, properly matched wheels and tyres to a vehicle increases it's safety? Yes

Well they must last longer too now? Obviously.

Now that they are lasting longer, they must be more expensive to maintain or replace right? No. Unless you are getting free ling longs and are changing them like jocks.

[bennjamin]

Guise please

Did Justin Fox run stretched tyres and you lot want to be cool too or something ?

Why are people defending running stretched tyres ? Lol


If you aren't a African American with a Chevy from the 90's on hydraulics - you simply look like a douche and are endangering your life. Fact is your car will handle shit , tyres will not last long and in any given situation on the road you are asking for trouble.

[Chernoby1]

Dude.... I can put a dress on and wear it in public out for "aesthetic reasons" doesn't mean it's not horribly wrong....
//rest of message

I don't agree at all. If someone wants to do something and are aware of the consequences/issues with it, then i think they should be able to do it. If i consider it a stupid thing to do is irrelevant.

Benji, im not defending running stretched tyres, im defending ones freedom to do so ( I still do think its not a good idea).

If someone wants to do a dive off a bridge from 500m up, ill just ask them if they understand they could die if things go wrong and that its likely to go wrong... after that, im happy to let them jump. Their choice is their choice.

[bennjamin]

You are right that people have freedom to choose to do so , but in this instance the act is illegal and generally not accepted.
I don't think you should defend peoples right to choose in this situation lol.

[lolmclol]

I don't agree at all. If someone wants to do something and are aware of the consequences/issues with it, then i think they should be able to do it. If i consider it a stupid thing to do is irrelevant.

Benji, im not defending running stretched tyres, im defending ones freedom to do so ( I still do think its not a good idea).

If someone wants to do a dive off a bridge from 500m up, ill just ask them if they understand they could die if things go wrong and that its likely to go wrong... after that, im happy to let them jump. Their choice is their choice.

But their freedom to do so shouldn't be on public roads where they're potentially endangering everyone/everything around them.

[Chernoby1]

You are right that people have freedom to choose to do so , but in this instance the act is illegal and generally not accepted.
I don't think you should defend peoples right to choose in this situation lol.


But their freedom to do so shouldn't be on public roads where they're potentially endangering everyone/everything around them.

See, i dont care what the law/popluar opinion says, i care that the person is free to do the things he wishes. I have no problems with punishment, but i dont like the idea of prevention.... the effectiveness doesnt really matter much to me. Clearly im idealistic nad dont put as much value on human life as most others. (Dont wnat people to die, but i fail to see how 'life' matters so have difficulty understanding why its important to NOT die... if that makes sense)

In reference to this thread, i have on problems with people saying that running stretched tyres is stupid. I have problems with you calling someone stupid for running stretched tyres.

[Chernoby1]

You are right that people have freedom to choose to do so , but in this instance the act is illegal and generally not accepted.
I don't think you should defend peoples right to choose in this situation lol.


But their freedom to do so shouldn't be on public roads where they're potentially endangering everyone/everything around them.

See, i dont care what the law/popluar opinion says, i care that the person is free to do the things he wishes. I have no problems with punishment, but i dont like the idea of prevention.... the effectiveness doesnt really matter much to me. Clearly im idealistic nad dont put as much value on human life as most others. (Dont wnat people to die, but i fail to see how 'life' matters so have difficulty understanding why its important to NOT die... if that makes sense)

In reference to this thread, i have on problems with people saying that running stretched tyres is stupid. I have problems with you calling someone stupid for running stretched tyres.

[lolmclol]

See, i dont care what the law/popluar opinion says, i care that the person is free to do the things he wishes. I have no problems with punishment, but i dont like the idea of prevention.... the effectiveness doesnt really matter much to me. Clearly im idealistic nad dont put as much value on human life as most others. (Dont wnat people to die, but i fail to see how 'life' matters so have difficulty understanding why its important to NOT die... if that makes sense)

In reference to this thread, i have on problems with people saying that running stretched tyres is stupid. I have problems with you calling someone stupid for running stretched tyres.

That doesn't give anyone the right to again be on public roads where they're potentially endangering everyone/everything around them.

Just because you don't value life, doesn't mean everyone else thinks the same as you.

[Chernoby1]

That doesn't give anyone the right to again be on public roads where they're potentially endangering everyone/everything around them.

Just because you don't value life, doesn't mean everyone else thinks the same as you.

And im saying you or anyone else dont have the right tell me what is acceptable/not... so yes, im saying all laws are bogus and that everyone has the right to do everything.
Just because the majority believe something (eg. life is valuable) doesnt mean it is right.... The majority of people thought the earth was flat and they were wrong no?

I will only accept something that is universal. Even if it is true in 99.99% of cases, i wont accept it. The fact i am ABLE to disagree on a topic means that neither standpoint is correct. (i am not able to disagree on running stretched tyres being more dangerous, only the results of that danger; hence the truth is, runing stretched tyres is more dangerous.)

We have fundamentally different viewpoints that are incompatible, i think this is time to either make a new thread about it or for both(all three) of us to accept it.

What i will not accept is someone else calling someone else stupid, or what they did was wrong whne its a completely subjective topic... ie that Danger is bad; think for a moment of the good points of danger before responding with something like "nah mate, id like to live in a world with 0 risk, where nobody dies and there is nothing to do". sounds more like hell to me, An eternity of pointlessness.

[lolmclol]

And im saying you or anyone else dont have the right tell me what is acceptable/not... so yes, im saying all laws are bogus and that everyone has the right to do everything.
Just because the majority believe something (eg. life is valuable) doesnt mean it is right.... The majority of people thought the earth was flat and they were wrong no?

I will only accept something that is universal. Even if it is true in 99.99% of cases, i wont accept it. The fact i am ABLE to disagree on a topic means that neither standpoint is correct. (i am not able to disagree on running stretched tyres being more dangerous, only the results of that danger; hence the truth is, runing stretched tyres is more dangerous.)

We have fundamentally different viewpoints that are incompatible, i think this is time to either make a new thread about it or for both(all three) of us to accept it.

What i will not accept is someone else calling someone else stupid, or what they did was wrong whne its a completely subjective topic... ie that Danger is bad; think for a moment of the good points of danger before responding with something like "nah mate, id like to live in a world with 0 risk, where nobody dies and there is nothing to do". sounds more like hell to me, An eternity of pointlessness.

I'm not willing to accept a narrow-minded view that the public should be at risk because someone such as yourself wishes to run their vehicle in a manner which is potentially endangering everyone/everything around them.

But I won't be replying to you anymore, you're either a troll, or someone who is incredibly self-absorbed, self-centred and a menace to those whom are unfortunate enough to be in the same vicinity as yourself.

[Jasemas]

That doesn't give anyone the right to again be on public roads where they're potentially endangering everyone/everything around them.

Just because you don't value life, doesn't mean everyone else thinks the same as you.

Good guy mc

[Jasemas]

Have you been in a car when the tyre has shredded...? Not cool man
Especially having absurd amounts of stretch

Does that mean this Chernoby1 guy should neck himself? If he doesn't value life...

Tell you what, have a child/son/daughter then come back and say you don't value human life
Because i will hurt anyone that endangers my child

And all you do is want to argue a point - because you can?
/sigh

[Chernoby1]

I'm not willing to accept a narrow-minded view that the public should be at risk because someone such as yourself wishes to run their vehicle in a manner which is potentially endangering everyone/everything around them.

But I won't be replying to you anymore, you're either a troll, or someone who is incredibly self-absorbed, self-centred and a menace to those whom are unfortunate enough to be in the same vicinity as yourself.

Im saying that thy should have the option to potentially endanger everyone/everything around them, BUT i would much prefer them not to. I call it "trusting humanity"
And dont assume i would actually DO the things that i am arguing for others to have the freedom of doing: If i defend the right of people to be gay, that doesnt mean im gay myself now does it.
I hope you can understand my view point but if you cant, theres no point responding. The only reason i am responding is to try and clear up some confusion you have about me.


Have you been in a car when the tyre has shredded...? Not cool man
Especially having absurd amounts of stretch

Does that mean this Chernoby1 guy should neck himself? If he doesn't value life...

Tell you what, have a child/son/daughter then come back and say you don't value human life
Because i will hurt anyone that endangers my child

And all you do is want to argue a point - because you can?
/sigh

Never been in a car thats shredded a tire, but have been in many that have had them go pop (while overseas mainly on shitty roads, third world spec)

And trust me, ive considered suicide many times but it is just as pointless as living. The difference is that maybe i am wrong (and i am hoping i am), but there is no way to come back from the dead so not worth that risk. (If you havent guessed it, i value meaning and freedom most, survival is minimal.. unless it is a part of meaning).

The kid thing, nope, never had a kid. Never really had a pet or tbh anyone/thing ive ever been comfortable enough with to even share emotions with (family included). I agree completely that having a kid or basically anyone i care about would change my perspective of life and would go so far as to say i crave such intimacy... but even when people do want to, i never am able to let them in (im not 'loner', but i keep everyone/thing at arms length). If youre wondering why, it's because i know/believe it will be detrimental to their life and/or happiness if i was to become a 'central role'.

As for arguing, i do it to learn and am hoping that one day someone will able to show me why my beliefs are wrong. I will take any opportunity to challenge my beliefs regardless how unrelated it might seem on the surface (youd be surprised how many problems are fundementally the same 'issue')

[Super-DA9]

http://th04.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/f/2011/288/d/6/poker_face_2_by_rober_raik-d4cxlfn.png





So anyway back to tyres

[Chernoby1]

Hahaha appropriate face is appropriate. :)
I think the OP got the message as did *most* other people ;)

[Daveho1]

And im saying you or anyone else dont have the right tell me what is acceptable/not... so yes, im saying all laws are bogus and that everyone has the right to do everything.

a. you dont have a RIGHT to be on the roads, its a privilege..that we all pay for.
b. the government has the right to tell you whats acceptable as part of those licensing conditions.
c. i think we watch to much American tv where everyone has the right to talk like an idiot, be wrong, have guns etc etc because its protected by thier constitution but in Australia we dont operate under the U.S constitution so here you dont have the RIGHT to say/do what you want to the same degree, we just alow people to be idiotic cause we are nice.

d. interestingly enough the hypothetical man in a dress you brought up before has every right to be in the dress, op however dosnt have the right to endanger the rest of us with your car.

[lolmclol]

You must buy Daveho1 a drink before groping his anoose again.

[Daveho1]

potatoes aye

[Chernoby1]

Clearly you ave misunderstood what i am saying. I am suggesting that the entire system is wrong. The law/government/society should not be telling me what is my rights. The fact that they are deciding what my rights are is in my opinion wrong.




a. you dont have a RIGHT to be on the roads, its a privilege..that we all pay for.

In the world im imagining in my head i think that it is wrong of the government to not allow everyone on the roads. I accept that fatalities will go up initially, but i believe that after a few generations, they will start coming down, even without any forms of laws/restrictions.



b. the government has the right to tell you whats acceptable as part of those licensing conditions.

I believe that them telling em what is acceptable and is not is a fundemental breach to my rights, not as an australian raod user;citizen/ect, but as a human being.



c. i think we watch to much American tv where everyone has the right to talk like an idiot, be wrong, have guns etc etc because its protected by thier constitution but in Australia we dont operate under the U.S constitution so here you dont have the RIGHT to say/do what you want to the same degree, we just alow people to be idiotic cause we are nice.

Am well aware of the differences between aus/us but you mentioned something that is an intense issue. I dont hve the right to do something i believe to be correct/fair/just, just because the majority think it is the incorrect thing to do. I think this violates my rights as a human being.



d. interestingly enough the hypothetical man in a dress you brought up before has every right to be in the dress, op however dosnt have the right to endanger the rest of us with your car.
Again, the limitations presented limit my freedoms which, as a human being, i find 'wrong'.

Who has outlined what my rights should be as a human being? Many people. All of thetime. Who is correct? None of them / all of them, my own personal belief is that human rights are decided by each individual person and that many of them will conflict so all of them must be his right. If you are disagreeing with that statement, what you are saying is people should not have the freedom to think different and that people should be punished for thought crimes.

[Renaissance_x]

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/group.php?groupid=38

[carayan]

this thread has gone from bad to potato.

[tom_son]

i somewhat agree with chernoby1, lol, people do have a freedom of thought and speech, until somebody gets killed as a direct result of a stretch tyre then we cant really punish them or tell them that you can't do it. yeah i know its wrong and unsafe and putting other road users in danger, but thats not a big enough risk to stop people from doing it. as for my next set lol i have 15x8 with 195/45 on them. wrong size tires on my wheels, https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQuDLgPU7gR8_2-BSb8tG--jcmw0p0xsCLVSiW1O8DkDdDPCEI-OQ

[Chernoby1]

^hahahaha. Should probably make a group for us potatoes.

[u mad?]

a. you dont have a RIGHT to be on the roads, its a privilege..that we all pay for.
b. the government has the right to tell you whats acceptable as part of those licensing conditions.
c. i think we watch to much American tv where everyone has the right to talk like an idiot, be wrong, have guns etc etc because its protected by thier constitution but in Australia we dont operate under the U.S constitution so here you dont have the RIGHT to say/do what you want to the same degree, we just alow people to be idiotic cause we are nice.

d. interestingly enough the hypothetical man in a dress you brought up before has every right to be in the dress, op however dosnt have the right to endanger the rest of us with your car.

great post.

dont think it'll get through to the potatoes though.

[Chernoby1]

great post.

dont think it'll get through to the potatoes though.

Kinda hard when the potatoes believe Anarchism is better than any form of government.

[u mad?]

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQwRykn8aZNp7BGG1wzP6LlH3JxxsJyK KzQwmyt5r_unQCiBYSgVg

[newpaddy3]

Kinda hard when the potatoes believe Anarchism is better than any form of government.

http://www.coffee-monster.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/inconceivable.jpg

[Chernoby1]

I'm fairly certain i know the meaning. I hope you arent being confused between Anarchy and Anarchism as a philosophy...

[lolmclol]

I'm fairly certain i ....

http://images.wikia.com/glee/images/a/a6/Herp-derp-meme-face-i0.png

5char

[Chernoby1]

Going back to the certainty conundrum?

Let me rephrase then: I beleive i know the meaning of the word/idea Anarchism. Or do you want to to specifically state that i was talking about my preference of Individualist anarchism?

[newpaddy3]

lol there's nothing wrong with Anarchism. Definitely better than stretched tires.

[Oxer]

alcohol should be completely outlawed as it is the leading cause in road fatalities.

[RenzokukenJ]

alcohol should be completely outlawed as it is the leading cause in road fatalities.

Then fast food should also be completely outlawed since it is the leading cause in high fat in most people.

[Chernoby1]

That supports Oxers argument...

Alcohol/fast food are not banned even though they are "dangerous" and he's saying that stretched tyres fit in that same category of "danger is present, but the likelyhood of a serious consequence is very low when the correct procudures are followed." Ie, if drinking do not drive. Do not consume copious amounts of fast food. Ect.

[RenzokukenJ]

That supports Oxers argument...

Alcohol/fast food are not banned even though they are "dangerous" and he's saying that stretched tyres fit in that same category of "danger is present, but the likelyhood of a serious consequence is very low when the correct procudures are followed." Ie, if drinking do not drive. Do not consume copious amounts of fast food. Ect.

I haven't been reading the thread, but now you are saying that Oxer is saying that stretched tyres are dangerous? Wasn't he supporting the claim that stretched tyres are not dangerous?

[newpaddy3]

Then fast food should also be completely outlawed since it is the leading cause in high fat in most people.

Nah I wouldn't say that.

[tom_son]

i like alcohol, fast food and stretched tires :$

[Chernoby1]

I haven't been reading the thread, but now you are saying that Oxer is saying that stretched tyres are dangerous? Wasn't he supporting the claim that stretched tyres are not dangerous?

He was being 100% sarcastic in that last comment :P


Nah I wouldn't say that.

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/332228864/h0995F5D7/

[Oxer]

That supports Oxers argument...

Alcohol/fast food are not banned even though they are "dangerous" and he's saying that stretched tyres fit in that same category of "danger is present, but the likelyhood of a serious consequence is very low when the correct procudures are followed." Ie, if drinking do not drive. Do not consume copious amounts of fast food. Ect.


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-g3Ifvz9wYxs/Tl0mlt37gQI/AAAAAAAABvY/Xkk9aLdFQG4/teamwork.jpg

[Daveho1]

yeah good idea guys, ban all things that can have a negative effect on anything.
or just dont be a dum kunt or be smart and informed and;
1. dont drink and drive or dont drink at all
2.have fast food in moderation or not at all
3. put apropriate tires on your car...

[Chernoby1]

yeah good idea guys, ban all things that can have a negative effect on anything.
or just dont be a dum kunt or be smart and informed and;
1. dont drink and drive or dont drink at all
2.have fast food in moderation or not at all
3. put apropriate tires on your car...

4. If not having appropriate tires, drive carefully to avoid increasing the chance of tyre failure?
EG: When driving with semi slicks on the street, driving in the wet requires care. Or should that be made illegal too because Melbourne has temperamental weather?

Also, somewhat related, why is it a illegal for me to drive a vehicle without functioning headlights even when they are not necessary to use in the conditions i am driving in?
I have always had a problem with that :<

[newpaddy3]

http://i595.photobucket.com/albums/tt31/Doctor_Funkenstein/CrazyPotato.jpg

[Chernoby1]

Defected coz i had headlight covers on in broad daylight. #potato.

[Oxer]

yeah good idea guys, ban all things that can have a negative effect on anything.
or just dont be a dum kunt or be smart and informed and;
1. dont drink and drive or dont drink at all
2.have fast food in moderation or not at all
3. put apropriate tires on your car, or not at all.

Fixed to suit your theory.

[Timmy_B]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_sLCFVbKl8p0/S0VYzzuzdyI/AAAAAAAAAF0/Z3OyOiQn4sM/s400/stretch.jpg

[Chernoby1]

Considering all the talk, that car looks like it survived fine with the tyre coming off.

[dove grey 64]

What are you talking about? Thats how its ment to sit.....lol j/k

[newpaddy3]

Considering all the talk, that car looks like it survived fine with the tyre coming off.

The tyre should never come off like this.

Are you literally retarded?

[Chernoby1]

Let me repeat: What was the damage caused because the tyre came off? I see NONE. Maybe the cost of a tow home, but from the image, looks to me like he got the car to a standstill without damaging/hurting anything/one.
To make it clear, Talking about this SPECIFIC image and trying to point out how posting it doesnt really prove anything at all to someone like me/oxer/other potatoes.

It's like trying to convince me not running an air filter is going to hurt someone. Sure the likelyhood of some shite getting into my engine and making it blow are high, but the chances of an engine blow hurting someone is remarkably low... especially if the person driving the vehicle has the idea that they may need to disengage the clutch at any time.

Note that i normally wouldnt put, but seems i will have ot otherwise you will all assume i am a mega potato: I have and never will run a car without a filter.

[newpaddy3]

Let me repeat: What was the damage caused because the tyre came off? I see NONE. Maybe the cost of a tow home, but from the image, looks to me like he got the car to a standstill without damaging/hurting anything/one.
To make it clear, Talking about this SPECIFIC image and trying to point out how posting it doesnt really prove anything at all to someone like me/oxer/other potatoes.

It's like trying to convince me not running an air filter is going to hurt someone. Sure the likelyhood of some shite getting into my engine and making it blow are high, but the chances of an engine blow hurting someone is remarkably low... especially if the person driving the vehicle has the idea that they may need to disengage the clutch at any time.

Note that i normally wouldnt put, but seems i will have ot otherwise you will all assume i am a mega potato: I have and never will run a car without a filter.

Where is THE FRONT BUMPER?

[newpaddy3]

" Incidentally, the reason it’s unsafe is that, when tires are mounted on rims that are wider (or narrower) than the rim widths approved for the model and size tire, heat and stress can build up in the sidewall, leading to tire failure (either popping the bead or an actual blowout). The engineers and customer service staff of the tire manufacturers hear about this constantly, because users who “stretched” their tires then file claims under warranty. These claims are then denied by the tire manufacturers as a matter of user error (improper usage), and the customers get ticked off and then start fighting with the tire store that mounted them (even though any conscientious tire store will refuse to mount the tires on rims that are too wide). Talk to the folks from the tire manufacturers and watch them roll their eyes at the mere mention of “tire stretching”, because they’ve already dealt with so many cases where the tires failed as a result.
This is NOT a matter of opinion; it’s a matter of fact. Tires can, and do, commonly fail as a result of mounting on wheels that are too wide. DON’T DO IT."

[Chernoby1]

Where is THE FRONT BUMPER?
Taken off for the photo?
Nothing looks bent broken. And if all the damage is a front bumper, i wouldn't really care if i was the owner. It is just a front bumper.


" Incidentally, the reason it’s unsafe is that, when tires are mounted on rims that are wider (or narrower) than the rim widths approved for the model and size tire, heat and stress can build up in the sidewall, leading to tire failure (either popping the bead or an actual blowout). The engineers and customer service staff of the tire manufacturers hear about this constantly, because users who “stretched” their tires then file claims under warranty. These claims are then denied by the tire manufacturers as a matter of user error (improper usage), and the customers get ticked off and then start fighting with the tire store that mounted them (even though any conscientious tire store will refuse to mount the tires on rims that are too wide). Talk to the folks from the tire manufacturers and watch them roll their eyes at the mere mention of “tire stretching”, because they’ve already dealt with so many cases where the tires failed as a result.
This is NOT a matter of opinion; it’s a matter of fact. Tires can, and do, commonly fail as a result of mounting on wheels that are too wide. DON’T DO IT."

You arent listening. I am NOT AT ALL disputing that tyre stretch leads to tyre failure.
If people are going back to tyre manufacturers trying to claim it under warranty, they are potato.
If people are getting upset at the tyre mounter because the requested stretched tyre failed, they are potato.
If people are yelling at tyre shops because they wont install stretched tyres, they are potato.

My comments ALL have revolved around:
The problems with TYRE FAILURE.
Not whether or not stretch increases the chance of it happening. but the CONSEQUENCES of TYRE FAILURE. I am also arguing that if you are aware that tyre failure is likely to occur because of the stretching, you will also be more likely to take CARE while driving so that WHEN it does go pop, you are ready and can handle the situation Safely; or as safely as possible.

[bennjamin]

You arent listening. I am NOT AT ALL disputing that tyre stretch leads to tyre failure.
If people are going back to tyre manufacturers trying to claim it under warranty, they are potato.
If people are getting upset at the tyre mounter because the requested stretched tyre failed, they are potato.
If people are yelling at tyre shops because they wont install stretched tyres, they are potato.

My comments ALL have revolved around:
The problems with TYRE FAILURE.
Not whether or not stretch increases the chance of it happening. but the CONSEQUENCES of TYRE FAILURE. I am also arguing that if you are aware that tyre failure is likely to occur because of the stretching, you will also be more likely to take CARE while driving so that WHEN it does go pop, you are ready and can handle the situation Safely; or as safely as possible.


Sorry mate but no one is listening to you due to your negative , stubborn approach.
We all know the rules and this issue at hand is truly "stretching" them. No person is going to tell me that they kow they are breaking the law , and over stressing their cars safety - and then tell me they are ready to handle the situation. What a load of crap lol.
Stop pushing it you cant win !

[Renaissance_x]

http://s9.postimg.org/ku7jc9eqn/c0211495_0162015.jpg

[Chernoby1]

.......... have you ever had a tyre pop on you? seriously. Youre all making it out as if any tyre failure leads to certain death. I have never and probably never will have stretched tyres but i have had tyres pop while doing 140ish km/h. Guess what happened? nothing. Have seen multiple cars pop tyres at similar speeds. Guess what happened? They pulled over and nothing. Punctures happeneing at lower speeds? Also nothing. Punctrure happening when guy in mountain pass driving hard? PRobably gonna result in a problem. Now i cant say there isnt a difference between a puncture and the tyre coming off altogether, but i have 0 evidence of what happens when the tyre comes off (which is incidentally what im asking for) so i base my judgment on a puncture.

As for my negativity, i am very open to other viewpoints. But all anyone on here seems to be saying is "running stretch is potato because danger." Now i have no problem with people not responding to my potatoedness, but everytime someone does respond to my question, they never answer it... it's as if they didnt read the question, only saw some one disputing something and start yelling "UGH ITS UNSAFE YOU POTATO".

By the issue at hand, im assuming you mean the original post? I have not been talking about that at all. Mainly because i thought it was resolved. OP learnt why his tyres were leaking and took action to fix it. I 'believe' noone has the right to call him a potato for his action. I guess i coudlve flagged the posts but i find the flagging function useless, mainly because the internet is the internet. If i start trying to force people to accept my views, that's a solid 100% fail imo.

As for the safety thing, My car for example doesnt have idle control. This is my choice because it makes me feel special. I have made the car more unsafe for the general public, yet because i am aware of the issue, i am able to safely (ie reduce the new risk, not eliminate it) drive the vehicle. With stretched tyres (because ive assumed the result of their failure is the same as a puncture) i would say that being prepared to pull over and not driving on a mountain road is you operating the vehicle as safely as possible. Im not sure ive made this part too clear but i hope you can see what im getting at. Yes, it is not as safe as before but the risk is reduced so it is not (in my opinion) completely unsafe.

As for what im pushing, i'm legit wondering what the consequences of the tyre coming off are. If someone was to say their wheels are only held on by lie 1-2 threads of the wheel nuts, yea, id have issues with that. Why? Because ive seen them fail and seen what happens when a brake digs into the concrete.

[Daveho1]

but....potato...

[mugen_ctr]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_sLCFVbKl8p0/S0VYzzuzdyI/AAAAAAAAAF0/Z3OyOiQn4sM/s400/stretch.jpg

Cause drift car mate! Any drifters know that running stretched tires allow for easier to slide as there is less side wall movement and makes it easier to break traction because of the narrowness of the tire, and this is quite evident! Looks more like a Jzx100 mark 2 drift car on a track in japan, so this pik has no real relevance to the arguments being brought forward as its on a track/track car FYI ;)

But im in no way condoning or supporting stretch tires, each to there own at the end of the day

[newpaddy3]

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7413/10552451434_65335377ce_c.jpg

[RenzokukenJ]

.......... have you ever had a tyre pop on you? seriously. Youre all making it out as if any tyre failure leads to certain death. I have never and probably never will have stretched tyres but i have had tyres pop while doing 140ish km/h. Guess what happened? nothing. Have seen multiple cars pop tyres at similar speeds. Guess what happened? They pulled over and nothing. Punctures happeneing at lower speeds? Also nothing. Punctrure happening when guy in mountain pass driving hard? PRobably gonna result in a problem. Now i cant say there isnt a difference between a puncture and the tyre coming off altogether, but i have 0 evidence of what happens when the tyre comes off (which is incidentally what im asking for) so i base my judgment on a puncture.

As for my negativity, i am very open to other viewpoints. But all anyone on here seems to be saying is "running stretch is potato because danger." Now i have no problem with people not responding to my potatoedness, but everytime someone does respond to my question, they never answer it... it's as if they didnt read the question, only saw some one disputing something and start yelling "UGH ITS UNSAFE YOU POTATO".

By the issue at hand, im assuming you mean the original post? I have not been talking about that at all. Mainly because i thought it was resolved. OP learnt why his tyres were leaking and took action to fix it. I 'believe' noone has the right to call him a potato for his action. I guess i coudlve flagged the posts but i find the flagging function useless, mainly because the internet is the internet. If i start trying to force people to accept my views, that's a solid 100% fail imo.

As for the safety thing, My car for example doesnt have idle control. This is my choice because it makes me feel special. I have made the car more unsafe for the general public, yet because i am aware of the issue, i am able to safely (ie reduce the new risk, not eliminate it) drive the vehicle. With stretched tyres (because ive assumed the result of their failure is the same as a puncture) i would say that being prepared to pull over and not driving on a mountain road is you operating the vehicle as safely as possible. Im not sure ive made this part too clear but i hope you can see what im getting at. Yes, it is not as safe as before but the risk is reduced so it is not (in my opinion) completely unsafe.

As for what im pushing, i'm legit wondering what the consequences of the tyre coming off are. If someone was to say their wheels are only held on by lie 1-2 threads of the wheel nuts, yea, id have issues with that. Why? Because ive seen them fail and seen what happens when a brake digs into the concrete.

you and all the people you have listed are very lucky people

My friend had one pop on her, the force tipped her car and wrote it off

it can happen

[Chernoby1]

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7413/10552451434_65335377ce_c.jpg

hahaahaha, took me a second to ee what you did there :P


you and all the people you have listed are very lucky people

My friend had one pop on her, the force tipped her car and wrote it off

it can happen

Hope she was fine afterwards!

[Oxer]

http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200907/r394510_1846175.jpg

http://neoskosmos.com/news/sites/default/files/car-crash.jpg

http://www.caraccidentslawyers.com.au/attachments/Image/pplatecrash-CAR-ACCIDENT-COMPENSATION-LAWYERS-ROAD-ACCIDENT-CAR-CRASH-COMPENSATION-SOLICITORS-LAWYERS-COMPENSATION-WHIPLASH-MOTOR-ACCIDENTS-ROAD-COMPENSATION.jpg

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSOtDe8tF35NEUfjficPdZzw2PYdmoq3 N1RKjHiq0fMAgJG1hMwSg

http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/images/uploadedfiles/editorial/pictures/2011/07/01/MTDUNEEDCR_WIDE_IMAGE_IA039222_96354.JPG

http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2010/01/17/1225820/606280-mill-park-crash-18-01-10.jpg

http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/4574446-3x2-940x627.jpg

http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/4756992-3x2-940x627.jpg

http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2013/10/20/1226743/409204-afd8ffc4-394e-11e3-a826-323d4d841c99.jpg

http://designrevolutionaustralia.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/car_crashed_ad_3.jpg

Stretched tires will.

[newpaddy3]

http://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/No-One-Cares-Pillow-Attack-Of-Silence.gif

[Oxer]

http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/thefw.com/files/2013/08/icVkVbv.gif

[Timmy_B]

so this pik has no real relevance to the arguments being brought forward as its on a track/track car FYI ;)

But im in no way condoning or supporting stretch tires, each to there own at the end of the day

Huh???????
Tyres that dont fit the wheels seems to be the topic.. the picture is what I imagine the op wheel looked like after deflation. .
Sorry I didnt find a photo of a honda to make it 'relevant'
Sounds relevant to a dumb arse question..
Dont be so up tight

[tom_son]

o0o0o0o0o shots fired