View Full Version : DC5R: Jap vs Aus spec
hey fellas, im a newbie but was hoping someone could give a complete listening of differences between the two specs.
I've looked through the Integra category but don't think I've found such topic being covered.
Thanks in advance.
I don't know if you can edit post or not since I can't find a button if they existed but I would also like to ask for the differences between the aus Type R and the american RSX.
Thanks
UR2L8
07-01-2004, 08:06 PM
Im dont know of all of the differences but they are, JAP Spec have Brembo brakes, red engine cover, different rims, headers are different. Thats all I know and also that they are 220HP at the crank I quite sure. They have bit more power.
About 20kw more on the jdm.
UR2L8
07-01-2004, 08:21 PM
Yeah about that, I knew it has 20something and went for the HP:) I was wrong.
vti-2
07-01-2004, 09:01 PM
You'll find quite a bit of info on the DC5R in this thread. There is a comparison to the RSX too.
http://www.ozhonda.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2223
A'PEXi
08-01-2004, 12:42 AM
jdm has jdm clutch, jdm ecu, jdm flywheel, jdm gears, jdm cams, jdm lsd, jdm cover... random guess lol :D
rsx has acura badging, differernt interior trim....still k20a :P
cool thanks for the replies fellow honderers
jdm dc5r has hollow aluminium front control arms to allow for different offset for the brembo caipers
their offset is +60
think they have different gear ratios compared to aus dc5r
Slugoid
09-01-2004, 06:39 AM
Different rims, and power difference, that's all I know for sure.
is it hard to put aus spec up to jap spec powers ?
it's so sad that we're rorted with a aus spec different from jap spec (this applies for many models).
A'PEXi
09-01-2004, 11:40 PM
it may be because of different emisson rules? i could be wrong :P
Aussie DC5R spec engine is the same engine as fitted in Europe to Type R Civic. This engine is also used in a "cooking" version of JDM Integra.
:thumbsdown:
dcii_sir
10-01-2004, 04:43 PM
The reason that they rebadged RSX as a type R is primarly for the cost. If Honda dealers were selling real JDM type Rs with all the extra stuff, it would be well over 60k.. and at that price, not many ppl would op to get a Type R as a sports car.. They probaly go for other cars like STIs, EVOs etc etc..
FunkyR
14-01-2004, 08:46 PM
hey fellas, im a newbie but was hoping someone could give a complete listening of differences between the two specs.
I've looked through the Integra category but don't think I've found such topic being covered.
Thanks in advance.
Hey there,
The differences are:
Jap Spec has : 8400 red line (8900 cut out), 162kW/200Nm (147/192 AUDM), VTC works on both the intake and exhaust cycle (AUDM just intake), 17" rims, variable pressure exhaust sytem, red valve cover (that weighs 200g less! jip!), Brembos, different guage cluster (also speed limited 180kmh), shiny red H badge on the steering wheel (AUDM is matt), aluminium front control arms (some sort of other metal alloy AUDM), larger intake manifold, thicker rear sway bar 22mm (18mm AUDM), weight distribution 61:39 (AUDM 62:38 ) and ofcourse different emissions stuff (ie Cat).
Hope this helps.....
FunkyR
14-01-2004, 08:48 PM
There's more differences to the US RSX and AUDM DC5R than meets the eye....
AUDM has:
JDM chassis (lighter by ~20-30 kgs), Recaros, type R badging/decals, momo steering wheel, LSD, Type R body kit, blackened out headlights (US has silver ones) and a different final drive.
cheebye
16-01-2004, 05:45 PM
shiny red H badge on the steering wheel (AUDM is matt),
the new 04 DC5R's come with shiny red H badge as well 8)
mine will be!
the new 04 DC5R, anything different or exactly the same ?
i've read somewhere that the washer nozzel will also be body colour instead of black
why can't they just design it like the dc2 without holes in the bonnet and have it near the wippers.. :x
Near the wippers? The whipers? Hehe... Do you mean the wipers Tofu? It's more sleek that way huh? Anyone know when the next model dcX is coming out?
yah....i did type wipers but then i retyped it with double "p"...lol
anyway...i know my engrish spelling skills aren't that good yet, even though i have been here in aus for 16 years... :oops:
are the headlights on the same on Aus Spec and Jap Spec?
Thanks.
no
jdm type r had hid
jdm base model has the same as our dc5
stephenoei
13-12-2005, 08:24 AM
yes there are power differences and slight cosmetic difference but i think the other reason that we dont get something closer to the new jdm dc5 is that the jdm dc5 engine is made to run of 100 ron fuel which we dont really have here (i think most premium is 98).
if they have those big red brembos on them they must be quick :D
DC5TYPER
16-01-2006, 09:38 PM
AUD DC5 Has also Type R Brake Ducts. RSX-S Doesnt!!!
turbo81
17-01-2006, 01:12 AM
I thought the AUDM gearbox is diff from the RSX. The AUDM DC5R comes with 6 speed and lsd + light weight flywheel. Correct me if I'm wrong.
you might be right there
RSX has no LSD
RSX gearbox has rubber bushings while we have metal ones.
AUDM flywheel is 7.6kg while JDM flywheel is 4.1kg
sangsational
22-01-2006, 06:57 PM
JDM DC5R also has a different set of dials. Theirs comes with a nice "Type R" logo that lights up when the lights are on but the max speed shown is 180km/h whereas the AUDM max speed is 240km/h. This is also different from the RSX which shows speed in MPH.
There is a shitload of difference between the AUDM DC5R and the USDM DC5S so anyone who tells you that they are effectively the same has obviously only scratched the surface. They have the same engine... K20A2 (so whomever said it was the K20A, you're wrong) and they have the same suspension. Apart from that, you won't find alot that is the same. US guys on ClubRSX spend over 10k USD to convert their cars into what resembles an AUDM DC5R, so to say they are the same is naive.
vinhy
12-02-2006, 05:35 PM
just a quick question
is the jdm brembo brakes 4 pot or 2 pot
just a quick question
is the jdm brembo brakes 4 pot or 2 pot
they are 4 pot. the rear brakes are the same as ours
sangsational
12-02-2006, 10:38 PM
they are 4 pot. the rear brakes are the same as ours
i asked a US member of ClubRSX whom has swapped his suspension and brakes to the JDM ones and presuming AUDM DC5R brakes are the same as the USDM DC5S, they rear brakes are not the same. But they do house the same size pads.
oh ok i thought they were the same.
isnt the AUDM dc5r speed max speed dail 260km/h plus the rpm goes to 9000 (red starts at 7800rpm)..?
isnt the AUDM dc5r speed max speed dail 260km/h plus the rpm goes to 9000 (red starts at 7800rpm)..?
yeah thats right, JDM speedo only goes to 180km/h :thumbdwn: but rpm redlines at 8400rpm :thumbsup:
a question for all dc5r owners,
how fast (max speed) has anyone gone with a standard dc5r..?
timofytit
02-06-2006, 10:19 PM
JDM DC5R also has a different set of dials. Theirs comes with a nice "Type R" logo that lights up when the lights are on but the max speed shown is 180km/h whereas the AUDM max speed is 240km/h. This is also different from the RSX which shows speed in MPH.
There is a shitload of difference between the AUDM DC5R and the USDM DC5S so anyone who tells you that they are effectively the same has obviously only scratched the surface. They have the same engine... K20A2 (so whomever said it was the K20A, you're wrong) and they have the same suspension. Apart from that, you won't find alot that is the same. US guys on ClubRSX spend over 10k USD to convert their cars into what resembles an AUDM DC5R, so to say they are the same is naive.
Max speed on the DC5R Dial is 260km/hr
a question for all dc5r owners,
how fast (max speed) has anyone gone with a standard dc5r..?
They do 240-245 to my knowledge...
dark138
03-06-2006, 02:52 AM
i've gone 23x-24x
if i remember correctly its about 5th gear just nearing fuelcut
wondering where abt u can reach over 2xxKm... on a track?
baz.von
05-06-2006, 02:50 AM
JDM fly wheel heavier than AUDM ooh interesting... I used to think JDM & AUDM had no differences just badges lol. *n00b*
gregsir
05-06-2006, 11:07 AM
out of curiosity how many original dc5 typer owners are in oz?
shebangs
05-06-2006, 01:13 PM
Anyone imported a brand new JDM DC5R into Aus? My brother is buying a new DC5R and it seems more logical to purchase the JDM one.
gregsir
06-06-2006, 09:20 AM
:zip: none wow...
Integral
06-06-2006, 11:24 AM
JDM DC5R's cannot be imported into Aus as road cars.
Not legally anyway!!
Integral
06-06-2006, 11:27 AM
a question for all dc5r owners,
how fast (max speed) has anyone gone with a standard dc5r..?
244kph (data logged)
Conrod straight during 2003 2hr Showroom Showdown.
whtdc2
06-06-2006, 02:21 PM
JDM has different rear bumper too, that is the most easiest thing to tell the different between them
dark138
06-06-2006, 02:27 PM
wondering where abt u can reach over 2xxKm... on a track?
you won't get that speed on a track, well at least i can't at wakefield
Qwooootz
06-06-2006, 03:05 PM
JDM DC5R = 162kW/200Nm
WOW thats ausome!! is this because of the different internals, exhaust, ECU etc?
maracer
08-06-2006, 05:06 PM
Hi guys
check this link out, it give's you the spec's for the jap DC5R.
14.3 for 400m fark me!
http://www.itr-dc5.co.uk/spec/index.php
AK-Bo1
12-06-2006, 03:10 PM
dam.. that awsome...1/4 time
EL_DC5
27-04-2007, 10:34 AM
They do 240-245 to my knowledge...
I've have elegably taken my DC5S to 250k down the M4.
keep in mind that the jdm spec has a better exhaust system and is tuned to 100 ron fuel. If the aussie ones had a better exhaust system and were tuned to run 100ron fuel there would be a considerable increase in power and torque.
keep in mind that the jdm spec has a better exhaust system and is tuned to 100 ron fuel. If the aussie ones had a better exhaust system and were tuned to run 100ron fuel there would be a considerable increase in power and torque.
there is alot more differences than just the exhuast and fuel requirements. compression ratio and cam profiles just a couple of differences.
well obviously there are a lot more differences, it's a different motor! I am just stating that if the aussie one was tuned to 100ron and had better a exhaust system it would have a considerable power increase.
turbo convert
29-04-2007, 05:32 PM
well obviously there are a lot more differences, it's a different motor! I am just stating that if the aussie one was tuned to 100ron and had better a exhaust system it would have a considerable power increase.
agree:wave:
well obviously there are a lot more differences, it's a different motor! I am just stating that if the aussie one was tuned to 100ron and had better a exhaust system it would have a considerable power increase.
ah cools, just makin sure :p
preludacris
29-04-2007, 08:16 PM
higher compression, and different cams is the only diff between the engines right?
besides the bolt ons like exhaust. stock audm dc5r has a very restrictive exhaust.
air23box
30-04-2007, 03:14 AM
JDM muffler work like mugen twinloop....it got a valve inside and will open up when you're in high rev....intake manifold is different too.....ex manifold is also different......head gasket...cam....
barefootbonzai
30-04-2007, 08:21 AM
JDM muffler work like mugen twinloop....it got a valve inside and will open up when you're in high rev....
don't know where you get the idea that the muffler has a special magical valve inside that opens... that's complete rubbish.
don't know where you get the idea that the muffler has a special magical valve inside that opens... that's complete rubbish.
It was found out that there is a valve that opens when vtec engages in jdm exhause systems for the dc5r. It was covered in a thread here but i cant find it :/
Hullabaloo
30-04-2007, 10:19 AM
I think I've also seen the same article. someone on another site bought one and cut it open.
I think I've also seen the same article. someone on another site (k20a.org or clubrsx.com maybe?) bought one and cut it open.
Yes you're correct i remember now. It had pics and all! very interesting.
It actually opened a valve which allowed the exhaust gasses to pass through the muffler freely without being restricted (correct me if im wrong).
Hullabaloo
30-04-2007, 11:30 AM
Found it:
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1025325
mugsee
30-04-2007, 12:13 PM
http://img25.exs.cx/img25/9089/BypassFlap.jpg
air23box
01-05-2007, 04:01 AM
don't know where you get the idea that the muffler has a special magical valve inside that opens... that's complete rubbish.
Now this is rubbish.....lol.....stop posting if you dun know shit about that:thumbdwn:
black_dc5_type_r
20-05-2007, 03:06 PM
top speed, 266, on the limiter, completely stock... white knuckle on the freeway top of 6th gear
black_dc5_type_r
20-05-2007, 03:08 PM
very scary compared to other heavier cars,
im a mehanic at a ferrari dealership, so we do 300 on the freeway almost every day, since the owners always have jammers and detectors fitted. the wind noise and stability in the dc5 type r was scary!
m0nty ITR
25-08-2007, 08:55 AM
very scary compared to other heavier cars,
im a mehanic at a ferrari dealership, so we do 300 on the freeway almost every day, since the owners always have jammers and detectors fitted. the wind noise and stability in the dc5 type r was scary!
O rly? Which Ferrari dealership?
Hi guys
check this link out, it give's you the spec's for the jap DC5R.
14.3 for 400m fark me!
http://www.itr-dc5.co.uk/spec/index.php
our TypeS can do 14.8s stock (well, with a catback)
i got time slip to prove it :p
EL_DC5
28-08-2007, 01:04 PM
our TypeS can do 14.8s stock (well, with a catback)
i got time slip to prove it :p
Our Type S can do 14.7 stock
and 14.5 with GruppeM intake everything else stock.
hmm...why bother with a JDM DC5R besides the brembos then right? :p
EL_DC5
28-08-2007, 01:52 PM
the only thing i want from the JDM DC5R Facelift is the Gearbox.
It revised and shorter each gear. Quicker than the prefacelift DC5R.
spetz
28-08-2007, 11:50 PM
Is each gear shorter or is it just a different final drive?
Has anyone ever weighed their car at a weighbridge?
EL_DC5
29-08-2007, 11:22 AM
Dude each gear is shorter and also the final drive is different.
U cant get a JDM DC5r in Australia
^ yes you can there's 2 on the Gold Coast.
but i don't think he's in Australia tho
EL_DC5
29-08-2007, 01:36 PM
^ yes you can there's 2 on the Gold Coast.
but i don't think he's in Australia tho
So your saying there is a whole 2 JDM Facelift DC5R's in australia.
I still think it very difficult to import.
[RSX 03]
29-08-2007, 02:34 PM
So your saying there is a whole 2 JDM Facelift DC5R's in australia.
I still think it very difficult to import.
not unless it's a private import :thumbsup:
EL_DC5
29-08-2007, 02:50 PM
I would love to do that....
;1319509']not unless it's a private import :thumbsup:
I would love to do that....
i tried and failed :(
EL_DC5
30-08-2007, 09:27 AM
i tried and failed :(
Can you elaborate on that... how, and what happened.
So your saying there is a whole 2 JDM Facelift DC5R's in australia.
I still think it very difficult to import.
no there's two Prefacelift JDM DC5R on the Gold Coast...there's probably more around Australia.
EL_DC5
30-08-2007, 10:09 AM
no there's two Prefacelift JDM DC5R on the Gold Coast...there's probably more around Australia.
Ohh Pre Faclift. I supose there good to. But Are there any of the newer upgraded facelift versions. :p
air23box
30-08-2007, 12:54 PM
There is one in Melb
the_quenda
02-10-2008, 03:35 AM
I'm curious to know why Honda Australia did not sell the more powerful 162kw JDM version in Australia?
the_quenda
02-10-2008, 03:53 AM
Some idiot I was arguing with said it was because of emissions... but I reckon he is full of shit.
Euro08Jaz
02-10-2008, 04:22 AM
cost to produce jdm spec car would = greater cost in Australia to sell, octane ratings of fuel and emissions.
the_quenda
02-10-2008, 05:02 AM
As mentioned before, the JDM spec uses the same K20A engine but with different cams and higher compression. I was under the impression that the JDM spec type R would comply with the Australian emissions standards seeing that it uses the same engine? I was under the impression that the lack of high octane fuel was the only reason the Oz spec was detuned.
Euro08Jaz
02-10-2008, 05:23 AM
im not going to argue with it about it, i posted the reasons i believed that the car wasn't released, engine may be similar but i doubt intake manifold and exhausts were the same which could contribute to emissions, i dont think Australians that strict on emissions so i doubt it would be a major reason.
45SET
02-10-2008, 10:25 AM
The AUDM car sold for a tad over $40k when new... if you added the 17's, Brembo's, higher output engine, I would hazard a guess it would have sold for closer to $50k or more... and back in 2002-2004 you could buy a EVO 8 or STi for $50k. When you compare a N/A 2L FWD coupe to two of arguablly the best every produced 2L Turbo 4WD sedans, it wouldn't have sold very well.
air23box
02-10-2008, 09:00 PM
As mentioned before, the JDM spec uses the same K20A engine but with different cams and higher compression. I was under the impression that the JDM spec type R would comply with the Australian emissions standards seeing that it uses the same engine? I was under the impression that the lack of high octane fuel was the only reason the Oz spec was detuned.
spot on........I worked in honda b4....thats the reason and also cost to bring the car in....there is nth to do with emission......:thumbsup:
T-onedc2
03-10-2008, 08:04 AM
no our small market is percieved to not be worth their effort I think
m0nty ITR
03-10-2008, 10:03 AM
As mentioned before, the JDM spec uses the same K20A engine but with different cams and higher compression. I was under the impression that the JDM spec type R would comply with the Australian emissions standards seeing that it uses the same engine? I was under the impression that the lack of high octane fuel was the only reason the Oz spec was detuned.
But that argument is flawed because the AUDM car runs on 98 octane also.
T-onedc2
03-10-2008, 06:37 PM
but Japan has 100 ron fuel available at the pump, I understood that to be their PULP
rbk_212
03-10-2008, 09:28 PM
yeah its their awesome fuel as well as the fact that we do have a very small market that isnt willing to pay big bucks for a front wheel drive.
our cars always get dutuned and cheaped out on, take wrx's, the jap spec comes with awesome twin scroll ball bearing turbos and all that sort of gear, australian distributors just have no balls, most great cars dont even come here (eg the focus RS, civic type r besides the brand new one)
this is what happens when accountants decide on how a car is released..
oh and by the way japan has some of the strictest emission laws in the world and put ours to shame, so that theory is complete rubbish
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