YES another Oil question!!!

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Hi,

Just putting it out there has has anybody tried the following oils.
liqui moly super leichtlauf 10w-40, liqui moly top tec 4500 5w-40 & TITAN SUPER GTO 10W30??

Thanks,

[Jasemas]

What does your owners manual say?
How many kms?
What oil change interbal?

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What does your owners manual say?
How many kms?
What oil change interval?

Motors has 90k on it. I just tried the Penrite Racing Tenths in it and I've had to top it up already because it was really low. I'm going to be dropping the oil every 5K now but I don’t want to spend an arm and a leg on oil when I’ll be changing oil every 5K. It’s not the weight I'm asking about though. The oils which I've mentioned have been recommended by Liqui Moly & FUCHS site. Just after people’s experience in using these oils. Not sure about the penrite stuff any more.

[mocchi]

is it leaking oil?

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is it leaking oil?

No visible leaks.

[Jasemas]

Motors has 90k on it. I just tried the Penrite Racing Tenths in it and I've had to top it up already because it was really low. I'm going to be dropping the oil every 5K now but I don’t want to spend an arm and a leg on oil when I’ll be changing oil every 5K. It’s not the weight I'm asking about though. The oils which I've mentioned have been recommended by Liqui Moly & FUCHS site. Just after people’s experience in using these oils. Not sure about the penrite stuff any more.

The K24 series of the cu2 generation are notorious for consuming oil
I'd keep an eye on oil levels
Honda Aus says that 1litre of consumed oil per 1000kms is totally acceptable
I'd give Honda Aus a call - and monitor your oil

[aaronng]

Are there any other oils that you have used that did not drastically drop in oil level?

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Are there any other oils that you have used that did not drastically drop in oil level?

Haven't had the car long enough to test, this is the second service since I've owned it.

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Would it just be better to run feo ultra 10w30 and drop oil between services?

[I CU2]

I used Penrite HPR in mine once and I had to top it off once too. I think my dealer used FEO and it's been fine thus far.

[Fredoops]

FEO ultra is 5w30. not 10w30

[BigBen]

I run Amsoil 0w-20 signature series. Uses about 500ml in 20,000km. I do alot of kms per year that's the reason I go with Amsoil as they are specifically designed for extended oil changes.

Severe duty its 15,000 miles (24,000km) or once per year or normal duty is 25,000 miles (40,000km) or once per year. I also use the Amsoil filters as they can filter to 20 micron at 98% efficiency or 5 micron at 50% efficiency.

http://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-product/motor-oil/gasoline/sae-0w-20-signature-series-100-percent-synthetic-motor-oil/?code=ASMQT-EA

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FEO ultra is 5w30. not 10w30

thttps://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/tq/306415342.jpg you might want check this link

[rich70]

I use the Liqui Moly 10W-40 you mentioned in your OP.
It's reasonably priced and goes really well. I use it in my Corolla Sportivo though.
I do my changes every 5000km though since I rev out my car every now and then.

Not sure how much weight this claim carries but the guy at autobarn stated that LiquiMoly is one of the few companies that carry fully synthetic oil, as in, 100% synthetic. Other brands which claim they are fully synthetic only need a rating of 50% synthetic oil to be able to slap the 'fully synthetic' label on. Whether this is true or not, I've already bought another bottle of it for my next oil change (Y)

[Fredoops]

thttps://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/tq/306415342.jpg you might want check this link

This is FEO Ultra (Full Synthetic) as you get from the dealer
http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp81/the_saint7/P9010227_e.jpg?t=1283329626
http://i.imgur.com/SyLi5.jpg

10W30 is FEO premium (Semi Synthetic)
http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp81/the_saint7/P9010226_e.jpg?t=1283329627


Heres the thread of the oil when it was new.
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?138634-Honda-FEO-Premium-Honda-FEO-Ultra-Comparison-Review&highlight=FEO+ultra



Not sure how much weight this claim carries but the guy at autobarn stated that LiquiMoly is one of the few companies that carry fully synthetic oil, as in, 100% synthetic. Other brands which claim they are fully synthetic only need a rating of 50% synthetic oil to be able to slap the 'fully synthetic' label on. Whether this is true or not, I've already bought another bottle of it for my next oil change (Y)

Nope, whether an oil can be called "full synthetic" or not depends on the type of basestock used.

There are 5 groups of base stocks, 1 to 5.

In Australia, group 3 base stock or higher is considered synthetic.

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This is FEO Ultra (Full Synthetic) as you get from the dealer
http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp81/the_saint7/P9010227_e.jpg?t=1283329626
http://i.imgur.com/SyLi5.jpg

10W30 is FEO premium (Semi Synthetic)
http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp81/the_saint7/P9010226_e.jpg?t=1283329627


Heres the thread of the oil when it was new.
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?138634-Honda-FEO-Premium-Honda-FEO-Ultra-Comparison-Review&highlight=FEO+ultra



Nope, whether an oil can be called "full synthetic" or not depends on the type of basestock used.

There are 5 groups of base stocks, 1 to 5.

In Australia, group 3 base stock or higher is considered synthetic.

Purchased from Turbo Auto Spares Cabramatta NSW. I just had a look at the old one thats an SJ rating and the Ultra is SM also the Ultra that I purchased is a 10w30 not a 5w30. They both have the SM rating though.

[Fredoops]

Purchased from Turbo Auto Spares Cabramatta NSW. I just had a look at the old one thats an SJ rating and the Ultra is SM also the Ultra that I purchased is a 10w30 not a 5w30. They both have the SM rating though.

I know the FEO ultra came out in 2012 in 5w30, maybe you have very VERY old stock?

I just got told there were FEO ultra in 10w-30 back in the D15B days like, a Lonnnng time ago

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I know the FEO ultra came out in 2012 in 5w30, maybe you have very VERY old stock?

I just got told there were FEO ultra in 10w-30 back in the D15B days like, a Lonnnng time ago

MHE lol. Currently trialling Shell Helix Ultra 5w40. $65 a bottle. At the 100,000 i might give the liqui moly super leichtlauf 10w-40 a trial.

[Jasemas]

Eww Shell oil
My god

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Eww Shell oil
My god

I acactually found this on the Shell ultra helix 5w40 http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2590408

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So I am at my 110k service and all I have to say is that the Liqui Moly super leichtlauf 10w-40 is pretty decent but I did notice an increase in fuel consumption. At the moment the oil level is about half way down the dip stick after topping it up 800ml’s. In the last 10000 km I did travel to Canberra and back to Sydney, not sure if that is excessive. Has anyone out there used Honda’s LEO 0w-20 and seen any positive results?

Tempted to try one of these:
Fuchs TITAN SYN SN SAE 0W-20 specs API SN & ILSAC GF-5
Fuchs TITAN SYN SN SAE 10W-30 specs API SN & ILSAC GF-5 Fuchs do a 10W-40 specs API SN/CF & ACEA A3/B3/B4 also.
Pennzoil Ultra Platinum 5w30
Pennzoil Platinum 5w30
Mobil 1 5W-30 NEW VEHICLE FORMULA
Nulon Full Synthetic 5W-20

LOL again has anyone had any experience with these. TBH I have used penrite before and not huge fan of it.

[Jasemas]

So I am at my 110k service and all I have to say is that the Liqui Moly super leichtlauf 10w-40 is pretty decent but I did notice an increase in fuel consumption. At the moment the oil level is about half way down the dip stick after topping it up 800ml’s. In the last 10000 km I did travel to Canberra and back to Sydney, not sure if that is excessive. Has anyone out there used Honda’s LEO 0w-20 and seen any positive results?

Tempted to try one of these:
Fuchs TITAN SYN SN SAE 0W-20 specs API SN & ILSAC GF-5
Fuchs TITAN SYN SN SAE 10W-30 specs API SN & ILSAC GF-5 Fuchs do a 10W-40 specs API SN/CF & ACEA A3/B3/B4 also.
Pennzoil Ultra Platinum 5w30
Pennzoil Platinum 5w30
Mobil 1 5W-30 NEW VEHICLE FORMULA
Nulon Full Synthetic 5W-20

LOL again has any had any experience with these. TBH I have used penrite before and now huge fan of it.

If you want to head down the direction of a 0winter oil
Why not try Penrite HPR0 - 0w-30
Penrite also do a 0w-16 now too

Going from a 40 to 30 will increase fuel economy
Going from a 30 to a 20 will increase it even more at probably the cost of engine longevitiy
0w/5w - 30 will be good ALL year around

[Jasemas]

I acactually found this on the Shell ultra helix 5w40 http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2590408

I have heard aorund Shell Helix Ultra =/= Penzoil
Hmm
Though i am a Penrite man now

[RenzokukenJ]

I have heard aorund Shell Helix Ultra =/= Penzoil
Hmm
Though i am a Penrite man now

do you have much experience with the woolworths black and gold engine oil

[Jasemas]

Yes we stock Black & Gold oil and meets API SN spec LOL 15w40

[RenzokukenJ]

I might try in fn2 see how we go

[BigBen]

Going from a 30 to a 20 will increase it even more at probably the cost of engine longevitiy


Please explain? Where is the proof in this statement?

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Please explain? Where is the proof in this statement?

I guess he means that it should be used from day dot and changed later on down the track as could cause issues is that correct jasemas?
I think that the standard for honda services is 0w-20.

[Jasemas]

I guess he means that it should be used from day dot and changed later on down the track as could cause issues is that correct jasemas?
I think that the standard for honda services is 0w-20.

Well the 20 at operating temp is a thinner oil than a 30/40
Honda went with a thinner grade to meet Euro IV emissions etc.
The proof is that a 20 oil is thinner and doesn't have the extra protection a 30/40 has over it
Look at the owners manual and there's a bucket load of different viscosity ratings
Choose one that makes you happy

Christ look at the TSX's in USA the're getting engine rebuilds from oil consumption
And a thinner 20 oil doesn't help
I talked to a senior service tech at my local Honda joint about Euro oil issue and agreed with me the thinner oil isn't ass good as a 30/40 oil - to an extant

[BigBen]

With the millions of engines Honda and other manufacturers are building every year globally and are running a 20 weighted oil we should see all of these motors being rebuild then?
Where is the bulletin / recall from Honda or Toyota etc which says something on the line about not using 20 weighted oil?

Where are the facts and figures which says for every XXX TSX made a percentage requires an engine rebuild? 1 in 10, 1 in 100, 1 in 1000, 1 in 1M, 1 in 10M? At what Km, service interval etc? How was it operated?

Engine manufactures and oil company spend billions on R&D every year to make sure that their product is reliable for the intended purpose. I would stick with what is recommended by the OEM. Unless your engine has been rebuilt with loose tolerances or has a manufacturing fault such as oil rings assembled the wrong way. Todays manufacturing tolerances are much tighter from engines build 15 years ago. Using a thicker oil than recommended will wear out the engine quicker because its oil flow not oil thickness that is doing the protection and removing heat, varnish, carbon/metal deposits from the internal components. So a thinner oils have less drag, and therefore less friction and wear, unless you are alway towing a boat or racing at redline all the time there is no need to go for thicker oils. Heck as the oil ages in the motor and all the additives are used up the oil will thicken up dues to deposits and crap suspended in the oil anyway.

The chart in the operators manual is a guide for STARTING temperatures conditions. Once the engine is at operating temperature it does not matter what the ambient temperature is outside. The radiator and coolant and engine oil regulates the engine temperature not the outside ambient temperature. Engine temperature should be around 80-120c no matter what the ambient temperature is outside. The temperature on the dash is the temperature for the coolant not engine oil temp.

Here it is from Honda!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAYkigNbzgs


BTW how much is your run of the mill Honda is worth when you trade it in with 400k km on the clock? $1000? $500? or you need to pay them to get rid of it? Average life of a car is 10 to 15 years as it will cost more to keep it on the road then what is it worth to the recyclers. Unless you have a special car / exotic / one off or personal attachment to a car then its a different story. I would treat most cars like a mobile phone and upgrade every 3-5 years! There is also a reason why your service guy is a service guy at a local dealership and not an engine engineer or a chemist studying molecule structures.

Also these 2.4litres are so under stress its not funny. Look at motorcycle engines, my BMW1000RR 1 litre engine makes 200hp plus out of the box and I can rev it at 15000rpm all day long and this run a 0w-30 engine oil and I don't need to rebuild it at 100k or even 300k km. You can purchase a turbo kit for the BMW which will make 480hp all day long and still uses 0w-30 motor oil. Thats 480hp from a 1 litre engine!!!

[RenzokukenJ]

Lol jasemas found his match

[Fredoops]

Honda may use 0w20 or 5w20 as factory fill in some cases. However they do not market those low viscosity oils in hotter climates, Australia, South East Asia, Africa etc, those regions do not have Honda Lev oil (the 0w/5w20)

10w30 or 10w40 is sold and recommended as "genuine" instead in those regions.

Also certain models use a thicker oil than the 20 weight even in the US, the Acura RDX for example uses a 5w30.

[BigBen]

You can't go to your local Repco or super cheap to pick up a bottle of 0w-20 easily, hence the next best thing is a 30viscosity.
Ambient temperature doesn't effect the engine once the engine is at operating temp. You can go from the heat of the desert to the snow top mountain without needing to stop on the side of the road to drop your oil to change it to a different viscosity.

Only 10 years ago, the best Mobil 1 oil was a 5w-50 nothing thinner that you can easily pickup from the shop.

With current low tension friction piston rings you do need to use the right viscosity oil else if the oil is too thick the rings can't wipe the walls of the cylinders bore and oil will weep into the combustion chamber.

[Jasemas]

You can get 0w20 oil from Repco and Supercheap of the shelf
it's Shell Helix Ultra 0w20...