engine swap

[vtegra]

ive got a 90 mod integra, and ive got a 2002 prelude 2.2l vtec engine already to put in my car, but im thinkn now just to put a 99' integra 1.8 vtec in. which do u think wuld b more powerful or better 4 the car??

[Felix]

teg engine cheaper on labour, less hassles... Prelude engine slightly more power then the 1.8 vtir engine. Might make your car too front heavy.

[vtegra]

so u rekon it wuld make the car slower, and the 1.8 wuld b more effective bc its lighter?

[Lepperfish]

The 1.8 Teg engine has heaps more potential with aftermarket gear as well.

[Cartoon]

h22 h22 :)

[VT3C]

be different - go tha H22. plenty of aftermarket and OEM support for that motor.. plus when u get bored u can boost it and have youself a drag-car !!

[vtegra]

do u think you can do more with that engine then the 1.8vtec, dont u think it will b too heavy for the car if i just leave it vtec?

[SKREMN]

its just all the hassels of putting totally differnt engine in
b18 bolts stright up can be done in back yard
h22 cant

[vtegra]

so il break the lsd in my car if i hit vtec?

[SKREMN]

I drive very agressivly
I have got the extra torque from the B20 while keeping the stock mounts from the b18
b20 and b18 is the same size block just different bore and stroke
have you considerd the B20 option?

[vtegra]

which is the b20?

[Slow96GSR]

do u think you can do more with that engine then the 1.8vtec, dont u think it will b too heavy for the car if i just leave it vtec?

There are just as many mods for the h22 as the b18, just not as many manufactures to choose from. The h22 isn't all that heavier than the b18, about 100 pounds at most but it makes up for it in hp/tq. Go with what you want, the h22 will be different and if you don't show off before the race, unexpected!

[vtegra]

yeh it will be a sleeper, so 2 ppl now say the h22, but the b18 is pretty good.
so 4 my 90' integra do u think the h22 or b18 4 it and include power and weight ratio?

[Slow96GSR]

Well we need to know what you are keeping in the car, are you keeping all the stock parts except the drivetrain?

2667 pounds for the stock Integra GSR b18c1 170 hp/128 tq lb-ft
2643 pounds for the stock Integra LS b18a/b 140 hp/124 tq lb-ft
2809 pounds for the stock Prelude S f22a1 125hp/142 tq lb-ft
2932 pounds for the stock Prelude SI h22a1 190 hp/158 tq lb-ft

Most of the weight difference is suspension, body, Interior parts and stuff like that. P/W ratio is about the same, Lude is a bit higher with .0648 and the GSR with .0637.

Some of the Integra specs here (http://www.gs-r.com/speclist.html).
Lude specs here (http://www.92lude.com/prelude_specs.htm).
Ratio guide here (http://www.prodsports.com.au/PWR.html).

[vtegra]

k by lookin at that it seems that the h22 will b beta then the b18, il go 4 the h22 then

[IN73GZ]

man you shouldnt start a thread like this, u should use the SEARCH tool first before just making a thread coz ur too lazy.
your only new so i assume u havnt read terms and conditions, i suggest u read them before starting another thread.
h22a IMO will be a waste of time and way too much hassle
UNLESS
if u can source a h22a out of a prelude Type S from overseas it has slightly better compression and so it will yield a little more power than the ozzy vtir motor. however if things go wrong and u need parts it will be more difficult to source what you need in some cases. ontop of that the type S h22a is very rare and i doubt u will find one easily, if at all.
i would recommend trying to find a b18c7 front or half cut from a dc2r and putting that in. will give u about the same power and the comes with a better gearbox so IMO would end up faster than the h22a option anyway. plus you dont have to worry about trying to get custom engine mounts and fitting that big ass engine in that tiny little 1.8L space. try and get a half cut rather than just swapping engines coz ur going to need those brake upgrades aswell to help u pull up after hitting that extra power uve just found, Sussy mods would be a wise investment also.

i dont know what u mean by 99 1.8L vtec, are u talking about the Type R motor ie. b18c7 or have u got it confused with the Integra VtiR engine the b18c2????

[aus91integra]

aus h22 or jdm h22 or type s h22 or even h23a (2.3L vtec) all will put a smile on your face .. if you have driven a h22 hybrid you will know wat sort of power you looking at...

[Spoon DA9R]

there is already a lotta things to do to fit the 1.8 in..coz the wiring and i think one of the engine mount is different...so the labour is gonna cost....i've got a friend with h22 in his 90 teg....just didn't look as clean in the engine because of all the custom parts....and the front of the car was so much heavier....if u wanna drag then h22..if all round performance b18...personally i like b16

[FR33K]

hey spoon.. that friend that your talking about with the h22.. would that be aus91integra or someone else lol

[Spoon DA9R]

i got a feeling he is my friend...andy...is that u andy?....coz i can only think of one person thats faster than me....on the straight that is...and thats andy's h22 LS

[FR33K]

its also the only car with pink wipers ;)

[Spoon DA9R]

its also the only car with pink wipers ;)

hahah o yeah..come to think of it..i remember now

[vtegra]

hey spoon, every1 is tellin me that the h22 has neva been done b4 this that, u sure ur sayin the truth? wat do u have in ur car? and is the h22 worth it bc ive already got the h22 but its a jap version. like how much does ur mate beat u by?

[aus91integra]

lets not get into the "how many cars you can beat someone, etc". or "how good is a h22, or how good is a b16 or a b18c5" ask yourself why u want the h22..


Adam yes, its andy.



vtegra yes i have a H22 LS. If you located in melb im more then happy to assist you in your conversion.. (ie tell you and direct you in what needs to be done.. a few beers and bbq sounds more then enough ;) of an invitation.. hahah)

and no they are not pink.. its red.. just faded..

[vtegra]

ah k mad, yeh im in melbourne, so uve got a h22 vtec, well ive got that engine now a 2002 mod, and then i was thinkn bout gettn a 1.8vtec but its hard to find 1 atm.
neway how goos is the h22? wat cars can u beat?

[aus91integra]

i dont want to discourage you ... but i think you need to do a bit more research before you go any further...


your LS is 90 obd0 and your engine is 2002 which is from the 5th gen lude obd2


going forward 2 obd generations is very difficult and if you "employ" someone to do it for you... your looking at big $$$$$$$$

4th gen h22 has closed deck... and obd1 that would have been the ideal option..

Do you intend to do the work yourself or pay someone..

and i guess most importantly what have you ACTUALLY got at the moment for this swap.. (ie engine, gbox, drive shafts, inj resister box, etc, etc..)

[vtegra]

well ive got the gearbox, clutch and thats bout it. and yeh ive already paid for all the stuff, the labour wont b that much, where bouts in melb do u live??

[aus91integra]

se melb

you will need ecu, loom, driveshafts, PRELUDE and LS engine mounts, shift linkage, shifter, inj resistor box, hydralic clutch, pedal assembly, (or a cable to hydro rig), exhaust, cat, o2, just to get started...

You will require the stock exhaust fitted on the lude engine and airbox if you want to register your car.. ie engineers report..

[vtegra]

ive got an exhaust, clutch, gearbox, ecu and the injectors, and he was goin to do the mounts so yeh, how does ur car go???

[SKREMN]

which is the b20?
The b20 is outa the CRV it has a bigger bore and longer stroke making it a 2L its the same mounts and size as a b16/18

[vtegra]

yeh i dont know they r hard to find, i think i mite just stay with the 2.2vtec n wait 2 months for it to b done, ill probly blow alot of ppl, even thought ppl say preludes r slower bc of there body n stuff, but if u put the engine in the 90 mod integra which is light as n then puttin an engine with heaps of power it wuld go sick 4 sure.

[FR33K]

i dont think you realise how hard a h22 conversion really is....
andy post a pic of ur interior lol

[vtegra]

oh yeh the guy said he just needs to sort out it out n afta that he said it will b easy wen the mounts r in
he said it can b done, and 1-2months it will b ready, he said it wuld b a rocket. wat do u have in ur car???

[Spoon DA9R]

se melb

you will need ecu, loom, driveshafts, PRELUDE and LS engine mounts, shift linkage, shifter, inj resistor box, hydralic clutch, pedal assembly, (or a cable to hydro rig), exhaust, cat, o2, just to get started...

You will require the stock exhaust fitted on the lude engine and airbox if you want to register your car.. ie engineers report..

andy...stop pretending..i know its u now hahaha.....everyone...he is the one with the sleeper car....

[IN73GZ]

i dont think you realise how hard a h22 conversion really is....
andy post a pic of ur interior lol
i really have to agree with andrew here.
do some research and come back and show us what ur end result is,but these kind of threads have been made left right and centre, do a search and see what u can find.

[Spoon DA9R]

i really have to agree with andrew here.
do some research and come back and show us what ur end result is,but these kind of threads have been made left right and centre, do a search and see what u can find.

yeah...i've said it before and again...b16a strainght fit, b18c some mods needed....h22a loads of custom stuff needed...

i still remember how andy's engine bay looked when i first saw it..hahaha....its was......a suprise and a laugh.....

dun worry andy...ur car is still great!!! yes yes...the h22a is fast i know....on a straight

[locote]

so how much quiker are the DA9s with the b16a compared to the b18a???? (stock to stock or same mods)??

[locote]

i was looking at goin b16a in my GSI but ppl said that power to weight is not realy good in a GSi,
but the GSi weighs less that LS.
and 15kg more than a VTIR civic.
B16a would give good gains specialy for the price of it.

[vtegra]

hey spoon, wen u say ur car is fast only on a straight, wat do u mean? like if u were goin around bends n stuff its slower?

[locote]

it means the car has been thrown out of balance, the H22 is a heavier motor, integra was designed for a lighter motor, now the front is heavier than what it was with a B series motor it handles different.

[vtegra]

yeh k kool, but u can fix that stuff with suspension n the rest, but if u think bout it the h22a is more powerful then the b18 n the h22 will b in a lighter car therefor it will b awesome in the integra ls

[locote]

It doesnt lowerr the weight of the H22 still.
if your after raw power then why not spend the cash on your b18a?
rebuild it and boost it.
with the amount of cash your talking bout spending on your car a nd h22 u might aswell sell it and spend it on your b18a and get it cranking over 300fwhp, and still have a car that handles.

[vtegra]

yeh i could but they r pretty hard to find the b18, n neway u culd get more out of the 2.2 then the 1.8l, n sum1 else said that the engine weight isnt that much difference, im sure the car will handle alrite.

[locote]

you should have a b18a under your bonnet.
at the end of he day you do what u wanna do hey dont do it cause someone says to.
Speak to all the ppl who have done it, which i think theres only 2 in this forum and 1 of them no longer has the motor in the car.
You will probarbly have less hassles if you do a swap with a b18c, h22 will cost u a lot to get fitted nd running, rebuilding and turboing your b18a will get u a fresh motor ready to make more power than the other 2 and loads more torque.

[vtegra]

yeh i c wat ur sayin, but i dont think im goin to turbo it, i was thinkn it but not nemore, il just do otha mods wen im ready and if i wana which i dont know yet bc i havnt got the car bak yet lol. i know there will b hassles with the h22 but ive already got it n i dont wana waste a month tryin to find a 1.8, n the mechanic said it will take him 1-2 month to do it and ive got all the parts n the labour is already fixd up. neways a 90 integra with a h22 will b faster then a 90 integra with a b18

[IN73GZ]

yeh i c wat ur sayin, but i dont think im goin to turbo it, i was thinkn it but not nemore, il just do otha mods wen im ready and if i wana which i dont know yet bc i havnt got the car bak yet lol. i know there will b hassles with the h22 but ive already got it n i dont wana waste a month tryin to find a 1.8, n the mechanic said it will take him 1-2 month to do it and ive got all the parts n the labour is already fixd up. neways a 90 integra with a h22 will b faster then a 90 integra with a b18
i disagree, i dont think ur h22a is going to be faster than if u did a b18c7 conversion. and the b18c7 is less hassles.

[SKREMN]

are you lookign at keeping them stock or do future mods?

[vtegra]

b18c7, which engine is that, like wat yr n stuff?
so y do u think it will b faster then the h22a?

[vtegra]

im not sure if i will do future mods, but i mite which is most likely just at the moment im going to put the h22 in

[locote]

a turbo built b18a will make more hp and torque than a N/A b18c but.
either way they will be cheaper than the conversion of a h22 in the long run.

[vtegra]

yeh dont worry bout the money, im not askin that if u have been reading

[locote]

well to sumarise what ppl have been saying.
if u wanna go fast in a straight line then H22+turbo.
if u still want ur car to handle then either keep ur existing motor and rebuild it and turbo.
or B18c + turbo.

cant be any simpler than that mate.

[vtegra]

yeh well i workd it out wen ppl were pm me so thanks mate, but i just wantd ppl opinions n not to b a smart ass, but its kool ur anotha guy that is goin with the h22.

[locote]

for straight line acceleration hell yeah!!!
dont know how much traction youll get but??
I thought about it too but i just didnt see it worth it as i dont need that much power.
Boosted B18B will be enough for me

[vtegra]

yeh i hope its good.
b18b which mod is that? n wat turbo u usin? n how did u go bout it?

[IN73GZ]

do u know how much a turbo b18c or h22a is going to cost. this thread is gettin beyond ridiculous.
b18c7 is out of the aussie integra dc2r
on paper there isnt that much difference between the h22a and the b18c7 is terms of kw/hp, and torque.
you dont seem to get ur head around the fact that the h22a is a pain in the ass of a conversion. if u dont beleive me read the article on BADHBT in the autosalon magazine issue 30.
ABSOLUTE NIGHTMARE.
the hassles you are going to go through isnt worth it, and in the end it may not even be faster than if u put in a b18c7, h22a has shit ratios compared to the b18c7 so i dont think it will be as fast.
plus what all the others have warned u about too much weight in the front and so on.
if i had the money and u want to stay NA id go with the b18c7.
if money ISNT an issue ur wasteing ur time with both engines and should be looking at a k20a. if u want sumthin different, too stand out and a shitload of power. k20a is the answer

[SKREMN]

the cheapest option would be the LS/Vtec
do it properly and it will make more power then the b18c

[locote]

B18A/B is the motor that comes in the LS GSI nonvtec integras..
and yes the K20a will kick ass!!!!

[SKREMN]

you can get mount kits for the k20 in the LS
that would be the best option

[vtegra]

k well the honda mechanic said he can do the conversion no problem he just has to fiddle around with the wires n puttin the mounts in n stuff, he said its possible n if u do it right n look afta it n do wat eva mods afta that it will b a killer n will kill the b18

[SKREMN]

you do any amount of mods to any motor and you can make it beat something

where/who you looking at getting this conversion done?

[FR33K]

lol @ fiddle around with the wires... goodluck ;)

[EKVTIR-T]

lol @ fiddle around with the wires... goodluck ;)

Tell me about it!What a joke.....;)

[mooshie]

I like your decision making process dude, just cos a couple of guys on the internet said h22 is best then you are gonna do it? everyone has valid points here but you need to do a lot more reading and research before you commit to anything. seriously though if your mechanic says he just has to 'fiddle around with the wires'.... oh whatever just go for it, I'll love to see the result!

[vtegra]

i didnt just say its only the wires he has to position n pretty much re set the whole engine bay, read proply. neway y wuld he say 1-2 months it will b done if he culdnt do it

[locote]

Cause he knows he can screw you for loads of cash.
You your self said money is not an issue.
Never say that to a person that charges by the hour lol.

[vtegra]

man i didnt tell him money isnt an issue. and the thing is the labour part is takin care of, neways i suppose theres a bad n good things to everythin n its 50/50 here on doin n not doin it. all i wantd was pplz thoughts so thats y i startd the thread

[locote]

Y not do a poll for???
its easier that way.
start one mate with all ur options and see what ppl vote for

[SKREMN]

id like to see a poll also
include all motor options

[vtegra]

how do u start 1 of them on this? exactly like a thread?

[justrunit]

go get it doen at yenora like me

[vtegra]

wheres that, n y?

[locote]

one similar has been done defore anyways.
B18c turbo will win lol thats obvious.
but start one anyways.

[locote]

go get it doen at yenora like me

what u trying to say???

[vtegra]

im puttin a 2.2vtec in my 90mod integra, n atm im not goin to turbo it n if i do that wuld beat a b18c turbo easy, just think bout it

[locote]

lol, there will always be a quicker car out there mate.
i wasnt talking about a race in my coment mate!!!
i meant more ppl would vote for it in a poll.

[vtegra]

yeh always is, neways the topic was im going to put a 2.2vtec eng in my 90 teg and wants to know pplz thoughts, also wants to know if ne1 has done it and if ne1 has read bout ne1 doin it. if so paste the link.

[dcdc]

you've already got the h22 so just use it. i gather you're paying someone else to do this for you, so all you really have to do is research this in detail to make sure you don't get screwed around. invest in a good reputable workshop preferably one that's done this swap or even other honda swaps. you will also need many custom aftermarket parts - wiring harness, engine mounts, driveshafts, shifter housings, cable-to-hydro adapter kit, fuel rail, fuel lines, slim radiator & radiator fan, 92-96 upper and lower radiator hoses, driveshafts, and possibly even front crossmember.
you can avoid some of these by buying a h2b kit from quartersports (http://www.quartersportsdrag.com) which will allow you to use b-series gearbox and hence you'd use whatever mounts/driveshafts as you'd use in a b-series swap... I THINK... might be wrong, but it's up to you whether you want to follow this up, I'm just throwing ideas your way. :)

couple of links for you to search
g2ic (http://www.g2ic.com/forums/)
honda-tech (http://www.honda-tech.com/)

[GSI-PSI]

Ok so if you have made up your mind about this h22a in your teg then why are you so interested in buying mine or is it that u just want a free test drive??

[vtegra]

well last nite i was just talkin with the boys n made it up last nite, so yeh, ahhh gsi just wonderin wat cars uve draggd n beaten?

[vtegra]

yeh dcdc hes done heaps of swaps n he only does hondas, but neva done a integra with a h22 but hes done a crx n a civic, n now an accord soo i guess he knows wat hes doin

[GSI-PSI]

So youve decided on the h22 or buying my car? lol Ummm and yer ive lost count how many cars ive beaten ;) Put it this way, im almost 100% sure mine would beat yours with a h22a anyway hehe :cool:

[vtegra]

how r u so sure? my car is lighter n my engine has 200hp, then its upto the driver im pretty good. wen my car was stock n my car was over heatin i kept up to a 99 vtec teg n we were head to head at 3rd gear he startd goin infront. how much hp is ur eng n wat turbo u got?

[GSI-PSI]

all my specs r in my 4 sale add on ere

[IN73GZ]

vtegra i suggest u read terms and conditions buddy before u get ureself banned.
any reference to illegal activites, ie. street racing other cars is unacceptable
dont come in here and talk ureself up and say ur a sick driver n shit. if u wana do ur conversion then go ahead and do it, we've told u what we think, and so far we have concluded that ur a noob and need to do ALOT more research.
if u think ur a good driver and u think ur car is a rocket, then get ur conversion done, run it down the 1/4mile and then u can tell us how sik u are!

[vtegra]

lol ok man wateva, if u havnt noticed otha ppl have gone off the topic, n no i dont need to do more research i just wantd opinions n wantd to know if ne1 had done it, neways, il rip ya lol

[IN73GZ]

OMG
you have no idea what this site is about, dont come on here talking shit man, uve got opinions, uve spelt out to everyone how much u dont know shit about what your doing.
your wasteing everyones time and space

[bennjamin]

vtegra , read the terms and conditions and also try SEARCHING before askign silly questions

Here -
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/search.php?

Also , this thread is useless and opinonated , and is venturing into the unknown. Dotn talk about drag racing or whatever. Its not on.

Closed

[vtegra]

:) :)