Euro Dyno Result

[TypeG]

Me, kitbkk and curik went to the dyno day in Pro-tek

Here is our dyno sheets.

Me-injec,fujisubo exhuast, 18 rims
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/7396/gasdynoew3.jpg
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/2559/dscn3616bo5.jpg


kitbkk-ss header,injec,fujisubo exhuast and 19'
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/2264/kitdynofk5.jpg
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/1849/dscn3604ck8.jpg


curik-SS header,injec,stock rims
http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/1783/cruikki9.jpg

[kitbkk]

hey.that was quick Gas.. I just finished dinner lol. Was really fun today:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Watch out for the pics guys!!!

[clowdz]

Wow 120KW ATW. Just wondering if those Torque figures are correct? 440NM :eek:

[aaronng]

The torque figure is at the wheel. So there is torque multiplication by gearing. It's not torque at the crank.

BTW, has there ever been a stock Euro run on that same dyno?

[kitbkk]

umm. the dyno was said SAE corrected.
to Arronng, today, there was none of stock euros, only 3 of us. And I havent asked them whether there has been any sock euro having run there.

here is what I attempted. all three graphs are aligned.
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/8669/aaava4.jpg
the blue colour is TypeG, the diiference from our cars is hes having Injen CAI, Fujitsubo exhaust and 18" 5zigen rims.
red is my car (kitbkk), I have injen cai, fujitsubo exhaust, ss header and heavy 19" rims lol
then green is Curik, he has injen cai, ss header and stock 16" rims.
From what we found out is that, running light weight rims really increase your power and tourqe. TypeG's 5 zigen are the lightest from three of our cars, then Curik's stock 16" + tyre weight 16kg per corner, then my heavy 19" weight 12kg without tyre.

Based on the power graph, coz my car and typeG are running exhaust where as Curik still has stock exhaust, it shows the power gain of the exhaust at the higher end.
Correct me if im wrong lol

[TypeG]

nah i think
maybe we should ask someone with a stock car to do the dyno as i cbf to swap back to stock and see how much I got
120kw is quite normal but the torque do surprise me while comparing with others

[TypeG]

umm. the dyno was said SAE corrected.
to Arronng, today, there was none of stock euros, only 3 of us. And I havent asked them whether there has been any sock euro having run there.

here is what I attempted. all three graphs are aligned.

the blue colour is TypeG, the diiference from our cars is hes having Injen CAI, Fujitsubo exhaust and 18" 5zigen rims.
red is my car (kitbkk), I have injen cai, fujitsubo exhaust, ss header and heavy 19" rims lol
then green is Curik, he has injen cai, ss header and stock 16" rims.
From what we found out is that, running light weight rims really increase your power and tourqe. TypeG's 5 zigen are the lightest from three of our cars, then Curik's stock 16" + tyre weight 16kg per corner, then my heavy 19" weight 12kg without tyre.

Based on the power graph, coz my car and typeG are running exhaust where as Curik still has stock exhaust, it shows the power gain of the exhaust at the higher end.
Correct me if im wrong lol

actually both of us gaining the mid range

[kitbkk]

^tru... sorry man typo mistake lol

[curik]

this is great type G! Thanks for posting them up! The exhaust really gave a good amount of power and torque from 3500-6000 rpm. All these dynos are run on the 4th gear

[BusterSonic12]

wow~ just intake + exhaust give u so much kw~ i wanna dyno mine now -.- after my hks installed

[kitbkk]

this is great type G! Thanks for posting them up! The exhaust really gave a good amount of power and torque from 3500-6000 rpm. All these dynos are run on the 4th gear
man... props to me too lol... i helped you changed the rims and also spent about and hour puting those graphs together lol

[kongfu]

That's awesome GASPAR!!!

[yfin]

Good work guys - very little difference between the cars. Factoring in dyno variance and they are pretty much all the same.

If you don't have other stock Euro figures to go by - how about other cars that dynoed on the same day? Did someone record the results of all cars?

[kitbkk]

Good work guys - very little difference between the cars. Factoring in dyno variance and they are pretty much all the same.

If you don't have other stock Euro figures to go by - how about other cars that dynoed on the same day? Did someone record the results of all cars?
if i remember correctly, an sp23 did about 100 flat, then a corolla sportivo did run about 120 flat too..

[yfin]

How much do the 5zigen in 18" weigh with tyres? Pretty good that they weigh less than the 16" OEM.

[jkz]

they're about 6.xx kg without the tyre

[kitbkk]

haha half of the weight of my rim lol

[yfin]

Not bad at all. How did the MPS3 go? I see it is on the list of attendees.

[aaronng]

Was that a stock sportivo? Stock sportivos pull 110kW on dyno dynamics.

BTW, can't use those torque figures direct. Convert torque from Nm to lbf.ft and kW to HP.

Power = Torque x RPM / 5252

[kitbkk]

Not bad at all. How did the MPS3 go? I see it is on the list of attendees.
im not sure whether the one we saw was MPS3 or SP23.. it run a lil bit more than 100kw,, even our cars can run better lol,,, correct me if im wrong though.. gotta get Curik and TypeG to answer too

[aaronng]

im not sure whether the one we saw was MPS3 or SP23.. it run a lil bit more than 100kw,, even our cars can run better lol,,, correct me if im wrong though.. gotta get Curik and TypeG to answer too
If it pulled less than your car, then it's the SP23.

[kitbkk]

Was that a stock sportivo? Stock sportivos pull 110kW on dyno dynamics.

BTW, can't use those torque figures direct. Convert torque from Nm to lbf.ft and kW to HP.

Power = Torque x RPM / 5252
it was a done up sportivo man,, freaking loud,, i remembered Curik saying a stock sportivo is 140kw at the engine? so its quite similar to our cars i guess.
what u mean by we gotta convert it to lbf.ft and to hp aaronng? i thought people here use KW and Nm figures?

[curik]

the stock MPS3 was doing about 160kW, and that sportivo was not stock, not sure what mods he got but surely he got IHE done.

[aaronng]

it was a done up sportivo man,, freaking loud,, i remembered Curik saying a stock sportivo is 140kw at the engine? so its quite similar to our cars i guess.
what u mean by we gotta convert it to lbf.ft and to hp aaronng? i thought people here use KW and Nm figures?
Exhaust doesn't matter to the sportivo. Aftermarket exhausts make the sportivo lose power. LOL. But yeah, we need numbers of a stock car on the same dyno.

The equation I gave needs units of HP and lbf.ft. If you have the excel or data file of that dyno, I can convert it so that the torque numbers are more realistic at the wheels.

[kitbkk]

yeah coz we didnt have the exel file so yeah i just put them together knowing they are not 100% accurate.. only used my eyes and scales on the exis.. just to make it easier to compare all the power and tourqe on the ranges

[TypeG]

not to take anything too serious
i just go for fun

[TypeG]

Exhaust doesn't matter to the sportivo. Aftermarket exhausts make the sportivo lose power. LOL. But yeah, we need numbers of a stock car on the same dyno.

The equation I gave needs units of HP and lbf.ft. If you have the excel or data file of that dyno, I can convert it so that the torque numbers are more realistic at the wheels.

a stock euro should run less than 117kw i guess
LOL

the corolla is quite fully done up from what I can see.

That mazda3 is just a sp23 from the look and the power as well

it is very hard to compare between those 3 dyno sheets as the print out in different tables and layout which is a bit wierd but for $35 it is really good fun =)

[curik]

stock euro 117? they should be in the low 110. So CAI + header = 10kw gain!

[EuroAccord13]

A stock euro makes around 100-107Kws...

Euro77's stockie at that time made 107Kws I think...

I can't remember my stock dyno but it made around 103Kws...

[kitbkk]

A stock euro makes around 100-107Kws...

Euro77's stockie at that time made 107Kws I think...

I can't remember my stock dyno but it made around 103Kws...
lol did u run stock rims too? lol my header+intake+exhaust = about 10kw gain then lol but i mean with the heavy rims lol

[ALN]

A stock euro makes around 100-107Kws...

Euro77's stockie at that time made 107Kws I think...

I can't remember my stock dyno but it made around 103Kws...


that number are about right, that's what I heard from one dyno workshop that also using dyno dynamics.

[ALN]

they're about 6.xx kg without the tyre

I don't think so mate if it's on 18", SSR type C is one of the lightest wheel from Japan still 8,xx on 18". 5 zigen still use cast technology and SSR use forged tech even the volks racing forged monoblock wheels still hard to reach 6,xx kg weight for 18" other than the forged mag series.

[Omotesando]

Sorry I raise my hand and have a question to ask!!

Did anyone with the exhaust had an aftermarket cat? Coz that is prob going to be my mod and I'm just curious if it made anything!

But surprisingly, given that Curik didn't have a cat back exhaust, his top end power is almost the same. Although he did definitely lose out on the mid-range power though! I suppose with the top end power with aftermarket exhaust- you got to get the proper ECU tune or something yeah ? :)

But 16 + 18 + 19 inch tyres probably skewed the final results a bit, don't really know!

[TypeG]

I don't think so mate if it's on 18", SSR type C is one of the lightest wheel from Japan still 8,xx on 18". 5 zigen still use cast technology and SSR use forged tech even the volks racing forged monoblock wheels still hard to reach 6,xx kg weight for 18" other than the forged mag series.

cast or forged is all about the same. those ppl pay like double of the price for those forged rims are just paid for how the made the rims. from the website, it is around 7-8 kg each.
my 18' with tyres are lighter than my frd's BC P1 in 15' =)

[TypeG]

stock euro 117? they should be in the low 110. So CAI + header = 10kw gain!

that's only a joke man
since we made 118kw at least so a stock euro should run less than 117kw right? :p

[Type R Positive]

not to take anything too serious
i just go for fun
Exactly. People seem to get wound up about dyno's. They are a tuning tool, nothing more.

[yfin]

cast or forged is all about the same. those ppl pay like double of the price for those forged rims are just paid for how the made the rims. from the website, it is around 7-8 kg each.
my 18' with tyres are lighter than my frd's BC P1 in 15' =)

What are you referring to in terms of "about the same"? Cast and forged are different in terms of density, strength and putting design to one side - weight.

I am a bit confused now - is it 7-8kg or is it 6.xx kg? Some of the P1s are cast as well.

[kam]

how much did this workshop charge you per dyno run

[yfin]

how much did this workshop charge you per dyno run

it was part of a dyno day $35 for 3 runs

[ALN]

cast or forged is all about the same. those ppl pay like double of the price for those forged rims are just paid for how the made the rims. from the website, it is around 7-8 kg each.
my 18' with tyres are lighter than my frd's BC P1 in 15' =)


My bad:D . My point is, your wheels is light weight but 6,xx kg is like a bit overly to low for 18". if it is 8,xx kg should be about right. But forged vs cast, I'll still think forged is typically lighter and stonger than the cast since forged involves more making process to produce solid, stronger and lighter than other material.:D Note in wheels world, even 0.2 kg is very considerable in their making process.

[aaronng]

You can have cast rims that have thinner spokes and material in order to reduce weight. Of course, it won't be as strong as an equivalent weight forged rim.

[TypeG]

What are you referring to in terms of "about the same"? Cast and forged are different in terms of density, strength and putting design to one side - weight.

I am a bit confused now - is it 7-8kg or is it 6.xx kg? Some of the P1s are cast as well.

weight
having owning some forged and casted rims
i cant really see the MUCH different beside how the made it and the price

[TypeG]

My bad:D . My point is, your wheels is light weight but 6,xx kg is like a bit overly to low for 18". if it is 8,xx kg should be about right. But forged vs cast, I'll still think forged is typically lighter and stonger than the cast since forged involves more making process to produce solid, stronger and lighter than other material.:D Note in wheels world, even 0.2 kg is very considerable in their making process.

should be about 7.XXkg but i cbf to find out the EXACT kg (it is on 5zigen site i guess) u are cool as I understand 0.1 kg is still a different but i dun really mind as i paid half the price for the similar STYLE of rims which is COOL. I also dun really mind to have a WEAKER rims as i believe it wont BREAK lol
dun take it too serious as I am just go for fun =)

[TypeG]

Exactly. People seem to get wound up about dyno's. They are a tuning tool, nothing more.

for me is just a chance to meet some cool frds =)

[aaronng]

should be about 7.XXkg but i cbf to find out the EXACT kg (it is on 5zigen site i guess) u are cool as I understand 0.1 kg is still a different but i dun really mind as i paid half the price for the similar STYLE of rims which is COOL. I also dun really mind to have a WEAKER rims as i believe it wont BREAK lol
dun take it too serious as I am just go for fun =)
:thumbsup: Yup. I believe, pay for what you need. Not pay for the best of the best.

[TypeG]

:thumbsup: Yup. I believe, pay for what you need. Not pay for the best of the best.
i am not ready to pay for the best of the best YET:p hopefully very soon

[ALN]

It's about 8.xx - 9.xx depends on the width for 18" based on the 5 zigen website but hey, the wheels are cool and comes with very good price and it's consider light in its class.:thumbsup: . No matter what finishing do you have forged or cast when you crash it hard, it'll still brake.

[TypeG]

It's about 8.xx - 9.xx depends on the width for 18" based on the 5 zigen website but hey, the wheels are cool and comes with very good price and it's consider light in its class.:thumbsup: . No matter what finishing do you have forged or cast when you crash it hard, it'll still brake.

is it? our scale suck then
hahaha
all good anyway as i love the style and color only

[hengis]

did you guys do any pre-dyno driving or anything special?
i'm going to dyno my car next sunday, just wanna know if there's anything i need to do in prepping the car

[yfin]

did you guys do any pre-dyno driving or anything special?
i'm going to dyno my car next sunday, just wanna know if there's anything i need to do in prepping the car
Theoretically you could reset your ECU and give it a little shtick - but I don't think it will make much difference as the car is always adapting anyway.

[hengis]

no worries. i'll post results next week after the dyno
=)

[kitbkk]

good luck with the numbers and have fun bro,
what mods have u got on ur car?

[EuroAccord13]

did you guys do any pre-dyno driving or anything special?
i'm going to dyno my car next sunday, just wanna know if there's anything i need to do in prepping the car

Just ensure your tyre pressure is correct.....

[TypeG]

Just ensure your tyre pressure is correct.....

i havent done this
lol
i will do it next time

[kitbkk]

i havent done this
lol
i will do it next time
neither did i haha.. i think my tyre pressure is running too low too..

[hengis]

good luck with the numbers and have fun bro,
what mods have u got on ur car?

just intake exhaust headers
i'm glad u guys did it first, so we know we've got a benchmark of around 119.

[euro77]

Mine when stock is 105kw, but that's because I've been babying the engine from the day I got the car :(
Might give it another dyno (it's back to stock again) since VTEC is common to the engine nowadays :D

[Omotesando]

Get the most expensive Rims - and you'll be upset when they get stolen... hmmm. So many friends had had their taken. I agree that Cast or Forged, as long as its light enough it'll do the job alright. Although light weight rims really make a tremendous difference!!

So I take it no one has actually touched the cat in this dyno shootout?

[TypeG]

kit has orderd RT cat and I will get Metal Cat and will do some dyno when there is some cheap dyno day next time =)

[TypeG]

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=54587

[EUR003act]

Hey guys, after alot of waiting i finally have results for all my engine work! :D

The figures were lower than what i expected, but the guys at the dyno assure me their dyno is correct and that alot of other dyno's are running in-accurately (ie: giving higher readings). Luckily there was a stock '06 euro there for comparison, he pulled 102.9kwatw vs. my 133.3kwatw...

So all in all im happy with a 30kw gain over stock :D here is my sheet (pay special attention to my extremely sexy A/F ratio :p lol)

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/Dyno-ResultLarge.jpg

[dyljoy]

woo, nice result! can u tell us what is your mod list?

[EUR003act]

ENGINE MOD LIST:
-Hi-Flow Metallic cat convertor
-Power Rev Racing (P2R) intake manifold gasket
-P2R throttle body gasket
-P2R throttle body spacer (K20A)
-Ingalls Engine Torque Damper
-RBC Euro-R intake manifold
-Mugen hi-pressure radiator cap (1.3 bar)
-TODA Racing Euro-R headers
-Unorthadox Racing lightened/undrive pulley set
-Gates Micro-V belt
-Custom modded K&N typhoon SRI

I am still running STOCK exhaust cat-back and NO ECU tuning

[johnprocter]

shit with ECU tuning that should sky rocket.. how much all that set you back? can you feel some decent power increases?

[dyljoy]

Very very impressive result here, I thinking if u replace the stock catback to fine aftermarket one and ecu, u will get more, can't wait to see that result if u make them happen!

[EUR003act]

shit with ECU tuning that should sky rocket.. how much all that set you back? can you feel some decent power increases?

from stock i can feel massive difference... but because ive done it all part at a time, it never really jumped up at me... it wasnt until a couple of weeks ago when i drove my mates stock euro that i realised how much ive gained lol

ive been planning my next mods for quiet some time, i have to start going internals now as ive nearly exhausted every bolt-on available lol im looking at putting in the K20A cylinder head then doing some tuning with AutoRacing Technik... should make for nice increase :D

approx cost for engine work: AUD$3200

[aaronng]

Hmm, interesting that your A/F ratio is at 13 with a stock ECU... But I guess it also depends on the dyno's exhaust sensor that is used...

[EUR003act]

Hmm, interesting that your A/F ratio is at 13 with a stock ECU... But I guess it also depends on the dyno's exhaust sensor that is used...

even in last years dyno i had very good A/F ratio... hondas ecu must be damn good at relearning :D cause shes doing good power and i have changed a fair bit of breathing gear

[ms700]

Great result there!

I think the most important thing to remember with dyno's, is to use the same one, all the time, to gauge your improvements. If you start dyno-whoring, thats when arguements start! It is quite possible to get big fluctuations in dyno figures between different dyno's, operators, and different manufacturers eg Mainline, Dyno Dynamics, Dynopack etc.

[Suntzu]

Damn justin i would have come and put my modded euro on that dyno as well.

Nice results though 133kw thats cranking man!

I might give them a ring for the dyno.

[EuroAccord13]

Horsepower race is catching up on Justin now :D :D :D...
Nice figures! Makes mine looks puny with the amount I've done!

[aaronng]

Time to cruise to Canberra for Floriade and dyno day? :p

[Suntzu]

Yes. minus - foriade of course.

That being said I do live in canberra..

[aaronng]

Haha, we can't just cruise to Canberra for a dynoday. Has to be some valid reason to keep the missus happy. LOL

[ms700]

If you's do organise a Canberra dyno day, id be keen to bring my car/s along.....

[EuroAccord13]

What if we have one in Melbourne, then will you guys cruise down here? :D

[CB7_OWNER]

Yeh!! Those results are great for the mods you did... 30kw is by no means lil....with the catback and ecu tune you'll be set!!!.. Nice to see max nm comes in nice and early...

[EuroAccord13]

You should have asked for a dyno graph where the power is in relation to the RPM and not speed...... I am interested in seeing the power band vs. the RPM...

[E-Gene]

Organise a Dyno day here in Melb. I'll come.

[EUR003act]

Time to cruise to Canberra for Floriade and dyno day? :p

Hell yes! lol

id be happy to arrange that for sure! :D

and thanx to you all for your nice comments! and yeah i wouldve liked a rpm/kw comparison too... :( i need to talk to u about ecu tuning :p lol

EDIT: MORE PICS!

Only just making it down the drive without scraping :)
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/DynoLarge.jpg

Being positioned on the rollers:
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/Dyno-1Large.jpg

Injectors getting connected to dyno:
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/Dyno-2Large.jpg

COMING SOON - VIDEO!!!

[aaronng]

You should have asked for a dyno graph where the power is in relation to the RPM and not speed...... I am interested in seeing the power band vs. the RPM...

Can correlate. Guessing 145km/h is 6000rpm. Just need to go for a drive in 4th gear to find out what rpm is 70km/h. Then can plot the RPM axis again.

[CRXer]

lol at 30 kW gain from some breathing mods

Most of the discrepancies in the K series engine are from overly sensitive knock sensors

[JunYu]

your car is so hot :p

[aaronng]

lol at 30 kW gain from some breathing mods

Most of the discrepancies in the K series engine are from overly sensitive knock sensors
Baseline run wasn't with his car though. I would have liked to see a baseline using the same car.

[CRXer]

Baseline run wasn't with his car though. I would have liked to see a baseline using the same car.

Yeah,that would clear things up a little,i was just commenting on the loose comparison to the stock euro

[EuroAccord13]

When I dynoed my stock Euro back then, it got between 103kws and 105Kws, I'll be using that as my comparison and it's been on the same Dyno since...

[Suntzu]

Im so spewing cause when I got my baseline dyno done they left the VSA on and the car freeeeked out and put down a massive 86kwatw.

That being said looks like I'll get some massive gains by dyno'ing now with mods :) probably gain 40kwatw according to my comparative dynos !

[aaronng]

I'm happy with my ghetto mods and crappy damaged parts. I made 119.5kW on the same dyno as EuroAccord13 :D:D:D

[JunYu]

^ according to your nick your power mods would be exhaust and sri?

I've only bought used parts for myself too :p

[EuroAccord13]

Aaron's car seems to be making more power stock than anyone else in here... Must be a Friday special...:)

[Crapdaz]

its cause of his ghetto airbox.... *thumbs up out leaps a leopard*

who is good around sydney for a dyno run?

[EuroAccord13]

I hope to be able to post my latest dyno figures tonight of my diesel cams on a base tune......

[CRXer]

who is good around sydney for a dyno run?

WSID:thumbsup:

Only costs $50,u get 6-7 runs & u get more accurate figures than most dynos & a lot more fun

[aaronng]

^ according to your nick your power mods would be exhaust and sri?

I've only bought used parts for myself too :p

No exhaust. Just the SRI, masking tape, aluminium sheet, rivets and aluminium ducting. :)

[aaronng]

its cause of his ghetto airbox.... *thumbs up out leaps a leopard*

who is good around sydney for a dyno run?

We just had a dyno day at Toda about 2 months back!

[Crapdaz]

We just had a dyno day at Toda about 2 months back!

how many runs did you get? include practice run?

[aaronng]

how many runs did you get? include practice run?
Practice?! Practice what? Your car is driven up by Adrian and then he does the dyno run. I wouldn't trust even myself to drive the car up onto the dyno. You get 3 runs and he prints out the best one. I got 4 runs because I asked him to run to cutoff (no extra power made). Thing about dynos is that they are only a scientifically valid comparison to other cars who run on that same day. Run different days and you can get different results.

[BiLL|z0r]

My stock auto made 111.8kw atw so it just goes to show how dyno's can vary but maybe I got the same friday special as Aaron ;)

On the same day just before me ChrisF got approx 130kw (from memory) with I/H/E and is a manual.

[aaronng]

My stock auto made 111.8kw atw so it just goes to show how dyno's can vary but maybe I got the same friday special as Aaron ;)

On the same day just before me ChrisF got approx 130kw (from memory) with I/H/E and is a manual.

Different dyno though. Your numbers can't be compared to mine, same as how mine can't be compared to EUR003act's. My number is only comparable to EuroAccord13's because we dyno'd at the same place. Even then, it is not 100% comparable because we did our dyno runs on different dates.

[EuroAccord13]

My car got built by machines that were way overdue in their service maintenance hence the lack of power......

If there is enough interest in Melbourne, I can slap a dyno day in 2 weeks so everyone can have fun.

[SiReal]

YES PLEASE NICK - I need to dyno the new car.

[aaronng]

Just to keep with the topic, here is my dyno from last year.... ahh, those were fun times...

Only mod was the Ghetto™ intake.

http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/8316/clipboard02cj3.jpg

[Crapdaz]

when getting dyno'd whats the best print out to get? Power VS RPM, speed A/F etc?

Sorry if i am noobish at this.

[EuroAccord13]

Depends on what you want to know really but in most cases, power relative to RPM is what the general public wants as it's easy to read, for an enthusiasts, they might want to know other variables such as MAP and A/F...

[Crapdaz]

Depends on what you want to know really but in most cases, power relative to RPM is what the general public wants as it's easy to read, for an enthusiasts, they might want to know other variables such as MAP and A/F...

Thanks EuroAccord.

Will prob start off with Power vs RPM and i'll see from there on.

[CRXer]

Why wont anyone listen to me about the K series knock sensor:confused:

K pro actually disables its retard ability........

Oh ...hang on..............i know
I dont have euro written under my avatar & i dare venture into the euro forum,I'll have to find my way back to the poverty stricken forums,bye

btw aarong,those AF's are shocking,i think the measuring device was wrong somehow

[yfin]

Why wont anyone listen to me about the K series knock sensor:confused:

K pro actually disables its retard ability........

Oh ...hang on..............i know
I dont have euro written under my avatar & i dare venture into the euro forum,I'll have to find my way back to the poverty stricken forums,bye

btw aarong,those AF's are shocking,i think the measuring device was wrong somehow

I think you make a fair comment. I went to a dyno day where my almost stock euro (lightweight rims) was on the dyno compared to another stock euro. My euro dynoed almost 20% higher peak numbers than the other euro (both 6mt). Was my car 20% more powerful? No way. The Euro is temperamental with its power and I don't trust dyno numbers anyway. Real world rolling acceleration figures are far more convincing.

The Euro is the only car I have owned that is like jekyl and hyde. Some days it will rev its **** off - other days it feels weak. I know temp, pressure all make a difference but the Euro seems to be up and down more than any other car I have driven.

[Crapdaz]

dyno = approximation

can never get the perfect numbers.

[CRXer]

I think you make a fair comment. I went to a dyno day where my almost stock euro (lightweight rims) was on the dyno compared to another stock euro. My euro dynoed almost 20% higher peak numbers than the other euro (both 6mt). Was my car 20% more powerful? No way. The Euro is temperamental with its power and I don't trust dyno numbers anyway. Real world rolling acceleration figures are far more convincing.

The Euro is the only car I have owned that is like jekyl and hyde. Some days it will rev its **** off - other days it feels weak. I know temp, pressure all make a difference but the Euro seems to be up and down more than any other car I have driven.

Yeah,its true man,2 stock Kseries engines side by side with large discrepancies in power,once the knock sensor is disabled the differences all but disappear,glad someone believes me.Honda did a booboo with the K series knock sensor

Ohhh...im back again:wave:

[BiLL|z0r]

Wouldn't disabling the knock sensor potentially cause problems though, after all it's there for a reason (isn't it)?

[aaronng]

btw aarong,those AF's are shocking,i think the measuring device was wrong somehow
It depends on which dyno you use and also the exhaust gas sensor that is used. I have another dyno done at a different place which shows my A/F ratio to be an average of 12.5:1.:)

[CRXer]

The Kpro disables it,but leaves u with a flashing CEL if it detects knock,so u can monitor it.They leave it up to the good judgement of the tuner to safely tune the engine to as close to the edge as they dare.

I disabled mine (B series) cos it was giving me intermittent hassles,but i also trust my tuner as well.

Hondas tunes are fairly conservative,if i had a Kseries i would disable it.Prob throw it on the dyno as a precaution to see whats actually goin on.

I think hondata are the only ones that have any insight at all into the Kseries knock sensor workings atm,i could be wrong,so it would be quite difficult to just go ahead & disable it,without say a Kpro.

Should ask what the Jtune products do with the knock sensor

[CRXer]

It depends on which dyno you use and also the exhaust gas sensor that is used. I have another dyno done at a different place which shows my A/F ratio to be an average of 12.5:1.:)

Thats much better,i thought that one above looked a bit odd.

[EUR003act]

i would love to run K-Pro on my baby.... but i gotta sort out a way to get the K-Pro to run with DBW as i dont think they can?

anyways... Here is the video!! :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOMVK5DzcFs

[CRXer]

i would love to run K-Pro on my baby.... but i gotta sort out a way to get the K-Pro to run with DBW as i dont think they can?

anyways... Here is the video!! :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOMVK5DzcFs

what exhaust u runnin?
sounds a bit like my vtec cross on the skunk exhaust

[aaronng]

Sounds good! Sounds like a CAI to me. Different to mine. :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q19wN4fWFqs

You can run k-pro on the Euro. You need a k20A ECU and the custom piggyback harness. That was the setup that jtune was using to show off the extreme in their test cars.

[EUR003act]

what exhaust u runnin?
sounds a bit like my vtec cross on the skunk exhaust

stock exhaust :D yay honda!


Sounds good! Sounds like a CAI to me. Different to mine. :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q19wN4fWFqs

You can run k-pro on the Euro. You need a k20A ECU and the custom piggyback harness. That was the setup that jtune was using to show off the extreme in their test cars.

nice vid! and thanx, i love her sound at the moment :p

hmmmm i might have to look into getting my hands on a k20a ecu :thumbsup:

[EuroAccord13]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v139/EuroAccord13/ProjectARTCL9170/D3.jpg

Current Base Tune (A/F control parameters only), note that when the car was dynoed stock on the same Dyno, it came in at a rather insignificant 105Kws... Must be a weekend special :(
4th Gear run on both occasions.

Amazing power on tap at 5000RPM.... But absolutely useless under 3000RPM heehehehehehehe....

[kitbkk]

whoaaaaaaaaaaa. Congrats Nick!

[aaronng]

What's the camchange RPM?

[yfin]

Great work Nick! I remember years ago you told me you wanted to get your Euro to 200hp at the wheels naturally aspirated.

You are getting closer...! Well done.

By my calculations this would make your Euro peak at roughly 185kw at the engine. Given it is the same dyno I think that is not an unreasonable estimate. That sort of power would make 1375kg move quite nicely I am sure.

Any plans to test the 1/4 mile again?

[EuroAccord13]

I will be happy when the car passes the 150Kws mark, that will give me in excess of 40% gains from stock on the NA motor... Of course, the more the merrier, need to see what Ray can come up with :)....

1/4 mile is definitely on the books when it's done :)....

[johnprocter]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v139/EuroAccord13/ProjectARTCL9170/D3.jpg

Current Base Tune (A/F control parameters only), note that when the car was dynoed stock on the same Dyno, it came in at a rather insignificant 105Kws... Must be a weekend special :(
4th Gear run on both occasions.

Amazing power on tap at 5000RPM.... But absolutely useless under 3000RPM heehehehehehehe....

so what mods have you done mate? and how much did you end up spending all up to get these gains?

[aaronng]

so what mods have you done mate? and how much did you end up spending all up to get these gains?

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=84361

[EuroAccord13]

so what mods have you done mate? and how much did you end up spending all up to get these gains?

Power upgrade mods so far are lumpy Stage 2 diesel cams from Skunk2 as well as titanium retainers and valve springs. Complemented with a CL7 Euro R RBC intake manifold and 3 inch ART SRI with an Apexi pod (The K&N filter actually made more power than the Apexi pod, 2 Kws more but I prefer the sound of the Apexi one as it sounds like a boxer engine on WOT at low revs and has a BOV sound at off throttle...). My DC Sports headers will be swapped out for the TODA ones (Thanks to Adrian from Toda AU), 3 inch metal cat and a Skunk2 Megapower cat back.

ART is still working on various ECUs but have since found a suitable candidate ECU for the car that will not blow a big hole in the pocket.

[Suntzu]

Ok, how much difference did the cams make to the driveability of the car and how do you rate this cam mod? Expensive?

[EuroAccord13]

Car drives normal, not as responsive on the low end though but the surge on the middle/upper range of the rev range is where the powerband is, it just goes and goes... If you are not keen on having a lumpy diesel sounding engine, then maybe go for a milder grind is the way to go.

[Suntzu]

Why do you say you have a diesel cam?

Can you Cam for the lower range?

Like i mentioned in the other thread id love a cam but dunno about the Cam-Jtune Mild marriage....

Whats it like on fuel?

[EuroAccord13]

That's because my car sounds like a diesel engine now due to the lift of the cams... Tick tick tock tock tick tick tock tock hehehehehehehe.....

If you compare the stock cams with that of Skunk2's lobes, the lift and duration is quite massive...

Fuel wise, it's drinking a fair bit now but will go down to almost normal levels when the fine tuning is done by ART.

Cam + Mild tune can work, I don't see how it won't go together. It all comes down to the tuner's capability to read parameters and tune accordingly. My tuner is going through every possible parameter to get the right mix for my car. Same thing JTune is doing, I believe that they are going through every parameter hence the amount of time taken by them so far (too damm long IMO, but no puns intended)

[Crapdaz]

That's because my car sounds like a diesel engine now due to the lift of the cams... Tick tick tock tock tick tick tock tock hehehehehehehe.....

If you compare the stock cams with that of Skunk2's lobes, the lift and duration is quite massive...

Fuel wise, it's drinking a fair bit now but will go down to almost normal levels when the fine tuning is done by ART.

Cam + Mild tune can work, I don't see how it won't go together. It all comes down to the tuner's capability to read parameters and tune accordingly. My tuner is going through every possible parameter to get the right mix for my car. Same thing JTune is doing, I believe that they are going through every parameter hence the amount of time taken by them so far (too damm long IMO, but no puns intended)


damn man is this costing you a shite load or do you own or work in part of a tuning team/workshop?

[EUR003act]

very nice result buddy :p

we got alot of talking to do... ordered some of those parts yesterday, but still trying to arrange "work" to be done in the US before i can receive everything...

looking forward to you helping me on my install lol :thumbsup:

[johnprocter]

are these the cams u guys are talkin about http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SKUNK2-PRO-SERIES-CAM-GEAR-03-06-ACURA-TSX-K24A-INTAKE_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em118Q2el1 247QQcategoryZ33614QQihZ015QQitemZ250254622653QQrd Z1QQsspagenameZWD1V
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SUPERTECH-TITANIUM-RETAINERS-K-SERIES-VTEC-HONDA-ACURA_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em118Q2el12 47QQcategoryZ33617QQihZ015QQitemZ250080608365QQrdZ 1QQsspagenameZWD1V
or these but in the K series version http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SKUNK2-VALVE-SPRINGS-TITANIUM-RETAINERS-B-SERIES-NEW_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33621QQihZ016QQitem Z260250233028QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

[aaronng]

are these the cams u guys are talkin about http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SKUNK2-PRO-SERIES-CAM-GEAR-03-06-ACURA-TSX-K24A-INTAKE_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em118Q2el1 247QQcategoryZ33614QQihZ015QQitemZ250254622653QQrd Z1QQsspagenameZWD1V

No, these are the ones: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/_Car-Truck-Parts-Accessories__Skunk2-Cams-Stage-2-K20A2-K-Series-RSX-Civic-Type-S_W0QQitemZ140240103475QQadnZCarQ20Q26Q20TruckQ20P artsQ20Q26Q20AccessoriesQQadiZ2865QQcmdZViewItem?h ash=item140240103475&

[johnprocter]

ahhh and would that fit on the euro even tho its for k20? how much would installation cost? (lol iam gonna sound like an idiot.. but u can do these mods on an auto right?)

[aaronng]

You can, but you should get a proper ECU for it........ Installation? $$$