Is it possible to convert a Si into a Vtec.

[Aznboi]

i don't want any engine conversion, just something simple.. like having the Vtec kicking in at third gear. in a Si engine

[wynode]

Is it the D16A8 engine, because you can't put a DOHC VTEC* head on there.

*Edit: Typo

[Teggy-Vtir]

the civic SI is DOHC

[Aznboi]

yeah it's a DOHC engine.. 1.6

[wynode]

Is it the D16A8 engine, because you can't put a DOHC head on there.

Sorry, I meant you can't put a DOHC VTEC head on there.

[Aznboi]

dats crap.. damn.. LOL so there is no way..of doing it.. damn it.. third gear sux on my car

[wynode]

dats crap.. damn.. LOL so there is no way..of doing it.. damn it.. third gear sux on my car

Really? If find third gear is actually quite strong. Always pull away against other equivalent cars in that gear.

BTW: Why VTEC because of 3rd gear?

[Aznboi]

yeab because of vtec.. coz dats when the most power comes in
when i race my friendz vti-R take them 1st and 2nd easy.. but third they just catches up.. LOL.. end of third there in front 1 to 2 cars..
by the way.. my car only has an exhurst

[Teggy-Vtir]

u dunt need nethin
ur car is fast enuff for a civic hehe

[Aznboi]

nah.. i just want it so it can actually beat a vtiR integra.. mayb abit faster.. LOL.. close enough to a type R

[Teggy-Vtir]

lol
Forced induction
go turbo

[Aznboi]

nah dats too much.. i want it n/a

[wynode]

nah.. i just want it so it can actually beat a vtiR integra.. mayb abit faster.. LOL.. close enough to a type R

He has DOHC VTEC, you don't. So he will always have the upper hand unless you spend a LOT of $$$ on your engine.

[Aznboi]

hahahaah.. oh well.. mayb some cams will do it.. spoonz cam and cam gears.. new ECU.. but dats like 2K

[Weq]

yes right... ur friend must be a crap driver, because he should be infront of u no pobs..

[wynode]

yes right... ur friend must be a crap driver, because he should be infront of u no pobs..

:thumbsup: That too!

[sesshoumaru]

i say... just bolt on a turbo :P...

or do an engine swap!

[one more chance]

the only option u have is nos....

[A'PEXi]

lol nos :lol:

[Rufes1]

hahha NOS sif bother. That engines not a bad one. Good building base. Altho if you really wanted power swap it wih the good old b16a

[Weq]

hahha NOS sif bother. That engines not a bad one. Good building base. Altho if you really wanted power swap it wih the good old b16a

I dont calla ~20kw at the fly upgrade 'real power'.
If u wanted 'real power' ud go b18c series and/or turbo.

[wynode]

hahha NOS sif bother. That engines not a bad one. Good building base. Altho if you really wanted power swap it wih the good old b16a

I dont calla ~20kw at the fly upgrade 'real power'.
If u wanted 'real power' ud go b18c series and/or turbo.

Depends on your definition of "real".

Depending on how many shots you run, power isn't limited to just a 20kW increase at the wheels.

It is a simple solution for one off uses where a full swap/turbo setup isn't needed.

[Weq]

I was referring to the b16a upgrade wynode :) i'm sure a 100shot of naws would do the trick!

[wynode]

I was referring to the b16a upgrade wynode :) i'm sure a 100shot of naws would do the trick!

Haha cool...just realised I miss read that!

Mate, if you want beat an integra vti-r, maybe you should by one and then do it up a bit. Either that or do the b18 conversion. You can't get something for nothing!

[Weq]

exactly..
option 2 would be to buy ur mate with the vti-r civic, an integgy, and then race him.. i'm sure u can win the first 2 gears again :)

[VTEChnique]

to answer your Question - NO you cant get a VTEC head for the ZC DOHC.

if you like the car and dont have much cash and just want to whip an integra every now and then, get a 60HP shot of NOS.. your std engine should be able to take it OK as long as you dont spray every day !!

Otherwise save your $$ for a B16A2.. even a B18B ( LS integra ) would be fun for your car..

dont bother turboing your ZC.. cheaper to go B16A2

for now though, rip-out your air-box and resonator and replace with a K&N style cone filter on the end of your Std intake tube and you might have more chance through 3rd.. intake before exhaust for power gains..

[wynode]

I'm following you with your posts VTEChnique!!

Firstly, its a D16A8, not a ZC (they are equivalent!)

B16 won't beat B18C powered integra. If you want to win, go for the B18C in the civic.

OR

Turbo your si for good power that will chew up any NA B18C vti-r and give you buckets more torque to play with :) 5psi will do the trick without destroying your box/engine :)

[Weq]

/me pats wynode on the head.. good advice.

[Setanta]

B16 won't beat B18C powered integra.

and that should be written in stone. Only about 15bhp difference (VTiR 'teg), but a B18 will always pull away from a 16 :(

Other than that ROTFL @ this thread - I love the something for nothing "bolt on VTEC threads :P

[crx_16x]

Umm what car do you drive to not be able to beat a Vti-r????

Is it a civic sedan or hatchback with the d16a8????

Because i have an ed9 crx with extractors, exhaust, k&n pod filter and run optimax and have beaten teg vti-rs to third gear.

must be because civic's are HEAVY mwhahaha. :lol:

[Setanta]

I drive an EF9 - that's a factory 160bhp B16A powered '90 Civic. The difference is, I don't BS my power figures or my times and I know that given a competant driver in both cars, the VTiR 'teg will pull away every time in the end.

I run to 100km/h in second and at that point the teg has shifted to 3rd and is starting to pull away.

Keep telling us your "kill" stories though, I find them vagually amusing and will be happy to run you at the strip in my unmodified "heavy" car.

This is 1/4 mile mind you - there's a bit more than 3rd gear involved and Slave will attest to me out-gunning a mildly modified non-VTEC CRX completely - and me with 70 odd kilos of passenger in the SiR :)

Just remember - racing your granny in a VTiR 'teg doesn't count :P

[wynode]

Just to add more fuel, on the last OPH cruise last Tuesday, Eric's DC2 vti-r with 1 passenger, easily got a head of a civic vti-r with FULL EXHAUST.

But I think we already know a b18c is quicker than a B16A :)

[Aznboi]

no my friendz aren't shit drivers.. i race race most of them.. and none of them can take me first and second..

crx sir
integra vtir
civic vti
civic vtir

even the vti can't even catch up.. LOL hahahaah
the rest can

by the way my car is a hatch.. plus integra Ls engine is shit..

raced it b4.. and he lost to me quarter mile 4 car lenght

[Setanta]

You don't get it? No-one cares about first and second :P:P:P

[Setanta]

It'd be interesting to see how you went up against real VTiR drivers - I have a feeling that they'd take you down in the 1/4 well and truly. FYI, as I said earlier - I can hold with a VTiR myself in the first 2 gears and I have a similar torque curve and output below VTEC... but then they pull away due to superior torque development. The fact that they run primaries and secondary stage engones helps them own a B16A too.

[Rufes1]

I love reading these bitches. Somehow pete is always involved :P

1st and second is just the start. 3rd is where the real power of the engine is shown. The integra will always win no more to be said.

[Weq]

4th is actually the closest gear to 1 on the said Civic :)

[fueltank]

Just wondering what the gear ratio's on the teg VTi-R are?

[wynode]

4th is actually the closest gear to 1 on the said Civic :)

By the time you get to fourth you're doing 140km/h+

Doesn't always happen on public roads ;)

[Weq]

4th is actually the closest gear to 1 on the said Civic :)

By the time you get to fourth you're doing 140km/h+

Doesn't always happen on public roads ;)

Quite true, i was justing being pendictive :)
Speaking of which, 3rd runs out at 160km/h.

[wynode]

Speaking of which, 3rd runs out at 160km/h.

Wooaaa!! Serious?

I get to about 130ish@7000rpm before going into fourth.

[Setanta]

For me it's 0-60 in first, 60-100 in second, 100-158in third and 158-182 in 4th with lots of revs left over (damn JDM speed-limiter, I have to get a cut-out for it one day ;) )

[Teggy-Vtir]

u sure end of 3rd can reach 160ish? my dc2 gets to 145ish b4 i have to change to 4th (thats revin to 8000rpm)
mayb im wrong =)
ill check again later :lol:

[vti-2]

I can hit about 110km/h in second gear in my DC2 VTi-R... 8)

[Setanta]

u sure end of 3rd can reach 160ish? my dc2 gets to 145ish b4 i have to change to 4th (thats revin to 8000rpm)
mayb im wrong =)
ill check again later :lol:

Pretty sure - I'll have to check now as you have me wondering. I know that a VTiR 'teg usually changes to 4th before me when we are running - but don't know the ITR ratios.

Like you said, will have to check - off the street :)

[Weq]

I'm sure it was around 160 when i chnaged to 3rd. But now u make me think of it, i coulda been lying to myself and it was actually 140km's.
i'm not sure about 1st, but second runs out at 90 for me.

[Teggy-Vtir]

yeah my 1st is 60
2nd about 105 - 110
3rd 140ish

[wynode]

1st 55km/h
2nd 95km/h
3rd didn't do it last night but its around 140ish

Hey what the hell...i'm gonna make a new thread!

http://www.ozhonda.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=11340#11340

[evil_mike]

Last night coming home from the city with some friends I had the chance the to drag my mate who has a Civic Si. He thinks his car is soo good because its a "DOHC non-VTEC", compare to my '97 Civic Coupe "SOHC VTEC". Just to set the record straight, I had 3 ppl in my car and he had no passengers. We launched at the same time, but after redlining it on first and switching to second, I was way ahead by 1.5 car length.

Just makes me feel better to know that there is no chance of ppl driving Si or GLi Civics of beating ppl with VTEC, reguardless of SOHC or DOHC.

:)

[mo]

HAHAHA...you car is DOHC VTEC mate....b16a as seen in the VTi-R hatches as well

[joneblaze]

Last night coming home from the city with some friends I had the chance the to drag my mate who has a Civic Si. He thinks his car is soo good because its a "DOHC non-VTEC", compare to my '97 Civic Coupe "SOHC VTEC". Just to set the record straight, I had 3 ppl in my car and he had no passengers. We launched at the same time, but after redlining it on first and switching to second, I was way ahead by 1.5 car length.

Just makes me feel better to know that there is no chance of ppl driving Si or GLi Civics of beating ppl with VTEC, reguardless of SOHC or DOHC.

:)

.... lol... NO chance? ;)
bahaha... where is "teh" Ben?

[bennjamin]

LOL @ "vtec is teh god"

Im glad it makes u feel better ...because that doesnt mean stuff all lol.

Good luck actually draggin a DOHC with ur vti POS.

its 96kw vs 96kw - and he has prob less than 200 kg than u....do the math and u will realise he was prably gettin a Blow/j or turing a corner lol...

OR u must be the VTEC king i have heard so much about !

[evil_mike]

I think I know my car, it was built in '97, and back than they were only available in 1.6 SOHC VTEC for the Civic Coupe. DOHC VTEC came in '99-00.

My car isn't a true performer but it can beat GLi and Si. They dont have any chance even if they believe their $800 investment in some after market extractors would give them that extra gain.

Sorry but it dosn't because those engine were not design for performace, and you won't recieve any extra power from it.

[bennjamin]

Hmm...just come to us and we can race u ! Simple !

VTEC isnt everything mate...altho many think it is.

I am still laughing thinking ur fooley sick STOCK vti will eat a light weight Si.

But...since u did....u are king !

[mo]

Sorry "evil_mike"! My bad! I thought you said VTI-R coupe and not VTI
Hehehe...

[evil_mike]

hehehheh No worries!

Not saying V-TEC is the best because a HSV V8 would rip it anyday or night. Even a 4 cylinder 180SX would kill it. But just to make my statement clear:

I "ripped" my "arrogant minded" friend's Si, so therefore he could "shut the fark UP" from now on about how glamerous his car is.

Not having a go at any Si drivers out there. Maybe he was just a terrible driver. :twisted:

[bennjamin]

Lol @ arrogant Si... I think every car has a groupd which think its "FOOLEY SICK" no matter what people say...and then get stuck onec the facts come into play...You almost took that route- but i know a coupel of guys...in the most absolute pieces of shit ever....BUT strongly say their car WILL beat mine or a 180sx or etc ANYDAY lol. Its good u brought him back down to earth...to show that its NOT the car its the driver .

[evil_mike]

-cheers

[A'PEXi]

my speedo doesnt seem to be the most accurate of measuring instruments - when the arrow is dead set on 70, its actually 67.... so you guys may be slightly off as well :D

just my 2c...

[Setanta]

B and D series are NOT interchangable, they are totally different designs.

Since when has VTEC only kicked in due to third gear?

This is up there on the "stupidest post ever" list I think :P

I hope this is an attempt at trolling... because if not... well, "a little knowledge wouldn't go amiss is the mildest thing" I can say :P

Mag racing foreva :P:P:P

[stocky]

plus integra Ls engine is shit..

A B18A LS Integra in good nick will beat both the SOHC Vti and Si Civics.

[joneblaze]

i agree with Stocky. Also, IMO, the GSi/LS B18B engine would also beat a Vti and Si.....

107kw vs. 96kw anyone?
lol..so pssst... u should research ur stuff before asking simple questions and following them with silly replies.. :)
there're plenty of stickys on this and other forums regarding specs and ratings for a range of Hondas..... please read.

[[[d a n n y]]]

jon u should b a mod

[joneblaze]

bahaha...pfft... that'd be the death of the forums. i'm too much of a dickhead.. ;)

[bennjamin]

bahaha...pfft... that'd be the death of the forums. i'm too much of a dickhead.. ;)

You make quite a bunch more sense than our "in-house" mods Jon brother -


. . . I used to watch them die literally..
it was funny...foam comes out. . . "

I mean, WTF.



But u are learning Jon ! :D

[[[d a n n y]]]

bahaha...pfft... that'd be the death of the forums. i'm too much of a dickhead.. ;)

You make quite a bunch more sense than our "in-house" mods Jon brother -


. . . I used to watch them die literally..
it was funny...foam comes out. . . "

I mean, WTF.



But u are learning Jon ! :D

jon u r an honest man...lolz :D

[Downunder SiR]

FYI: sohc vtec was only launched in Oz after the motor journo's learnt about the DOHC VTEC. Honda released the Vti and claimed it made 96kw - the equal of the Si.

The Honda car club dynoed these engines back to back when the Vti was still available, guess what................. The Si made 5kw more at the wheels than the Vti, Plus it had more torque everywhere. The Si was also lighter because it did not come with sunroof / bumper braces etc. They use the same box and came fitted with the same tyres. So of course you would assume that the Vti is faster, Because............. let me see, there must be a reason, ....... it has more letters in the model name .

If the sohc vtec is such a kick ass engine, Why did the models that followed the Si with the same engine (Vti / Vti coupe etc ) make less power? LET ME SEE, BECAUSE THE VTI only ever made 88KW, BUT YOU COULD NOT RELEASE THE ACCLAIMED VTEC WITH LESS POWER, So We got a watered down Vtec (Just like the Yanks had always had in the EG)!


Non Vtec integras are line ball with the Si, they have about the same power-to-weight and trque-to-weight. The ratios are also about teh same.

WHAT WE NEED IS AN OZHONDA 1/4 Mile shoot-off at all the tracks around Australia. Then all these asthmatic Vti's and base model Integra's can battle it out for non-vtec supremacy.

But at the end of the day DOHC is always better than SOHC VTEC AND DOHC VTEC Beats No Vtec. Regardless of capacity and chassis.


PS the Integra XSi has a b16a and was the top dog not the B18B, PONDER THAT!

Lets talk about iVTEC - Thats some power torque.

[wynode]

The Honda car club dynoed these engines back to back when the Vti was still available, guess what................. The Si made 5kw more at the wheels than the Vti

Can you give us some more info about this?

[Setanta]

Was that Gary's red EG Si that made the power? Actually, it was his wifes and I know it had a few tweaks done to it.

[KnfUzn]

my b16a chopped a LS..... only by about 1 carlength