Power Of the Dseries Turbo!! - can you handel it?! - Check it out!

[Sexc86]

Hey guys

Being a big turbo dseries fan, i find it dissapointing that not many people on here explore the possibilites of the turbo Dseries engine. It is unfortunate of this due to lack of knowledge and realisation of the potiential!

Due to being involved in far to many threds in the past in regards to the idea of turbochargeing a dseries engine to be "Futile", "waste of money" "not good value" or the typical "you will never outrun a Bseries" Decided to post a few links as i have been useing this site alot... and a very very good site it is...

www.turbod16.com

Just want to make this clear, no im not looking for fights/arguments/flamers... however i am certain these 1 or 2 specific people will no doubt post some useless negative post here anyway.

Also no im not trying to convert people away from their beloved b's h's and k's just want to show people who are wanting some more power for their honda that there is a good safe and reliable route down the turbo d path

no bullshit/excuses etc.... just some dyno charts with their basic builds and a few very very cool and inspiring movies!!!

ps... i think there is one of a turbo d16z6 (same as ozzy d16y1 sohc vtec) with a bolt on greddy kit outrunning a k20a in an eg hatch with quad throttles etc etc..... lots of good viewing here everyone will appreciate !

would be nice for a bit of recognition for the underdog Dseries relative and its potential!

all good guys enjoy!

TurboD16.com -----> THE MOVIE!
http://www.turbod16.com/viewtopic.php?t=10521

Turbo Dseries Vids
http://www.turbod16.com/viewforum.php?f=20&sid=c11be23ec1312e5c7d2cef10cb1f5e06

Turbo Dseries Rides
http://www.turbod16.com/viewforum.php?f=4

Top Turbo Dseries Hp Figures
http://www.turbod16.com/viewtopic.php?t=4140

Top Turbo Dseries 1/4 Times !
http://www.turbod16.com/viewtopic.php?t=13384

Turbo Dseries Engine Bay Shots!
http://www.turbod16.com/viewtopic.php?t=29766&start=0

SEMI BUILT - Non-vtec Turbo D run low 12's in oz! (respect dan / beast civic)
Page 30

Ek Civic Hatch, Stock D16y4 + AVO turbo kit! OZ BUILT
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showpos...72&postcount=5

WEQ - Eg Civic Sedan, D16y1 + Bolt on Greddy Kit!
Dyno Sheet - Page 16
Videos (civic vs s2k & Civic vs Dc2R) - http://weq.hondatech.com.au/turbo/Vid/

Budget Basic Easy turbo setups - AND THEY WORK!
http://www.homemadeturbo.com/turbo_projects/

General Good Other webpages
www.d-series.org
www.homemadeturbo.com


THIS THRED IS NOT AIMING TO DISCUSS WHY A D-SERIES TURBO IS BETTER THEN ANY OTHER ENGINE OR MODIFYING PATH! IT IS TO DISCUSS THE POTENTIAL OF DSERIES TURBO ENGINE SETUPS !!!!!!

[Aza]

Some good vids, ect there, turbod16 is a grat site, certainly opens ur eyes

[Chi]

Im tempted to turbo my D16a, hmmmmm...

Might do some reading tonight.

[clem]

Just wondering, Would these turbo kits apply to the D17A2's too? (My car is a 2005 Civic hatch Vi)

[Aza]

heres the engine bay shots link

http://www.turbod16.com/viewtopic.php?t=29766&start=0

[hinezz]

its gud know the potentials of d-series as well..impressed to see some pple on the forum building turbod ones. gud work sexc86

anyways i think i will stick to my k-series for now :)

[Centurius]

already on it! (53ERX) wealth of information on there.. and lots of hard to source parts also. (and cheap forged rods/pistons!)

[Aza]

the turbod16 vid is a good example of a d series turbo with stock internals, its not even a very high powered setup but as u can see it goes hard!

[hondavti25]

i am defs turboing my EJ8 ...in time :) with the help of aza hopefully

[flipstar]

d series turbos go hard i should know ive got 1 in d house hold onli sitting on 5 psi so good but so much effort 2 hav it reving like a b series turbo but much worth the effort wen u say nah its onli a d series single cam:P:P

[Sexc86]

its gud know the potentials of d-series as well..impressed to see some pple on the forum building turbod ones. gud work sexc86

anyways i think i will stick to my k-series for now :)

hehe yeh you could be like the guy on the video that goes down to a turbo d!

[Limo]

yeh im with you mate.. ive heard and seen a few worked D16's pulling massive amounts of power from stock internals and forged. the only thing is tho.. alota d series engines tend to be smokey if not maintained. and the only reason i went turbo with be b16 is cos it was already there:cool:

[Sexc86]

hmmm here is the deal

if you maintain and look after a dseries turbo just as well as a dohc vtec.. i mean good fuel, good oil and regular changes, warm up warm down etc etc.. your dseries turbo will last just as long and go just as hard as your dohc vtec...

however!

if you treat your dseries turbo like shit and a dohc vtec like shit, crap fuel and oil, no serviceing, no warm up/down time, thrashing the car out of its limits... the dseries turbo wouldnt last as long as the dohc... ie it would fail quicker

IMO!

[hinezz]

hehe yeh you could be like the guy on the video that goes down to a turbo d!

dont think so :p k-series FTW:thumbsup:

[NeRV]

if you watch that video of the d turbo vs the k20 hatch, you will notice that the k20 hatch won.. and it also miss shifted near the end of the race.

but in saying that yes the d series can make good amounts of power with a good amount of money.

[Lukezen27]

Guys

If I lived in the US I would have Turboed my D16Y1 long ago but unfortunately we live in Oz

Turboing costs maybe twice as much if not more in Oz

I’d start planning if I new some trustworthy guys in the US lol

Still, if you cost it like this it’s still a good option

B16A swap = $3,000 to $4,000 = 118:KW (158:HP) at the fly witch is roughly 120:HP @ the wheels

D16Y Boosted = $3,000 (Greddy Kit) + $1000 install = round 160:HP @ the wheels

So you end up with 40:HP more for about the same price :D

LukeZen

[Waggy]

B16A swap = $3,000 to $4,000 = 118:KW (158:HP) at the fly witch is roughly 120:HP @ the wheels

D16Y Boosted = $3,000 (Greddy Kit) + $1000 install = round 160:HP @ the wheels

So you end up with 40:HP more for about the same price :D
LukeZen

That's true, but it also depends on how far you want to go with each setup. a simple turbo kit added to any engine is going to give you more power, but what is the car going to be used for?

I pretty much guarantee if you chucked some decent head work at the B16, it would kill a Turbo-D, not necessarily in total power output, but in it's power delivery.

[Sexc86]

That's true, but it also depends on how far you want to go with each setup. a simple turbo kit added to any engine is going to give you more power, but what is the car going to be used for?

I pretty much guarantee if you chucked some decent head work at the B16, it would kill a Turbo-D, not necessarily in total power output, but in it's power delivery.


its all about budget though isnt it..... thats what the argument is all about a 4k bseries conversion vs a 4k turbo conversion on a d... d is gonna out perform....

ok now lets say do you pnp on your bseries atleast 1k... so your bseries is gonna cost you 5k... so now you compare it to a 5k turbo converion - with that extra 1k you spent on your pnp you could put it towards something extra on your D. Such as forged pistons and rods, ARP head studs, Valve Train etc etc and then it as well is gonna make more power and still be in the clear... IMO


Fishman - yeh no comment, feel sorry for you, what you post just prooves your Intelligence

got nothin else to say... look at the links.. evidence is right there stareing everyone in the face.. dont believe it sign up there and give you 2c

[defect]

d series ftw! mines making 159fwkw on 1bar
fun but its mainly for straight line performance.

alot of members on here aint into 1/4 mile, they like to have their car track. where response low end power and VTEC is the sh*t!

end of the day, d series motors are the older motors of Honda technology :>

[Sexc86]

wow man thats awsome (Y)

end of day not trying to say other engines dont perform or dont perform as well.. purpose of this thred is to show people what the capabilities are by what people have done elsewhere.....

As there have been alot of threds lately like... "I some better performance what should i go with?"... and the response on ozhonda is alwayes 1 sided as not many people know better... or they make judgements without haveing any experience or doing any research

[JasonGilholme]

i've just never seen a quick turbo D.

it also depends on what sorta driving you wanna do. If you wanna drive in the hills then your turbo is probably gonne be useless cause you won't have the time to build boost between corners where as an NA setup is gonna have the same power delivery no matter what the situation is.

[Sexc86]

probably because really there arnt that many getting around in oz... but if you wanna see some quick ones just have a look through those links.. thats what they are there for and really there isnt much special about them, also of basic setups and alot of all out setups too

[Aza]

i've just never seen a quick turbo D.

it also depends on what sorta driving you wanna do. If you wanna drive in the hills then your turbo is probably gonne be useless cause you won't have the time to build boost between corners where as an NA setup is gonna have the same power delivery no matter what the situation is.

all i can say is not that im able to boost mine.... i have driven a fast d series. **** im in love. dyno and 1/4 times coming soon. and remember mine is still stock internals, go on turbod16 and theres shit loads of fast d's.

yes b series and k series would be faster turboed. but value for money is defantly there. mmm im in love :D

[JasonGilholme]

yeah but thats all in the US.

I wanna see something impressive in oz....so far i'm yet to see anything... :P

Also, you'd need to compare a turbo D to a B series with an Intake Headers and Exhaust because the Turbo version won't be runnin a restrictive intake or exhaust like the stock setup.

Of course an engine with a 2.5 inch exhaust is gonna perform better then one that has a stock exhaust.

[fishman]

Yep all in the US. Yet to see anything impressive here on a low budget. No doubt on a decent budget it's gonna be fast.

Can't wait to see aza's car run down the strip and come back with a crappy timeslip. Just so i can laugh and rub it in more. Make sure you post when you're goin so some members here can come along and make sure you don't make shit up, lol.

[JasonGilholme]

Fishman, you're a worry man lol. You say some smart shit and you say some stupid shit lol. :thumbsup: :cool:

aza: are you goin down the spit today??

I might be goin down. If ya see me park up man i'd love to see ya car cause the pics haven't been the best quality. :thumbsup:

Just finishing up my wire tuck on the drivers side if ya wanna have a look. :cool:

[Sexc86]

whats the difference between the us and oz.... engines are the same parts are the same... if someone builds an identicle engine in oz to someone in the us it potentially can make the same power...

This thred isnt about who has what or A vs B its about showing the potential of what the path has to offer... maybe you should READ it a bit more carefully

Of course budget will be higher, but we live in australia its gonna be higher for any path you choose to go down.

Azza's car will do good times, however im sure you ALL know its all in the techniquue and the driver to get the best out of your car... you cant just go there on your first run and get your best time... practise makes perfect...

his car is capable of a high 13 or low 14, weather he does it on his first few runs is irrevelent.... i got no probs going out there and shooting some vids of him doing some runs... (the proper way in as is complete street condition with street tyres... not with everything stripped out)

If a car in the USA with the same setup as azz's can run a 13 why cant it be done here? whats the difference? and they do it on LOWER octain fuel! all their pump fuel is like a max of 94 octain (correct if wrong)

[JasonGilholme]

i'm not saying its not possible.

i'm just saying that the cars in the US shit all over everything we've got in aus. except for a small handfull of rides (3 - 4 cars). You can hijack anyones shopping list and build a car but if the quality is shit then theres no way you can compare the two and say that car A is as good as car B cause its got the same shit. I'd rather see a mild car that is A+++ quality then a car that is wild but is a F- in the workmanship deparment.

If you wanna talk about the potential of the path then you need to compare it to other paths in order to prove its worthyness. Theres no getting around that.

[Sexc86]

it also depends on what sorta driving you wanna do. If you wanna drive in the hills then your turbo is probably gonne be useless cause you won't have the time to build boost between corners where as an NA setup is gonna have the same power delivery no matter what the situation is.

i disagree a turbo d can be built pretty much to any application, if you are more into your mountain runs or circuit raceing then you just need to design your engine and turbosetup accordingly... ie build your setup with a small ball bearing turbo, use smaller intake plumbing, smaller cooler etc etc... things like this to give you near instant boost response... also if you wanted to go further with the build things like high compression forged pistons to give you more power off boost...



i'm just saying that the cars in the US shit all over everything we've got in aus. except for a small handfull of rides (3 - 4 cars). You can hijack anyones shopping list and build a car but if the quality is shit then theres no way you can compare the two and say that car A is as good as car B cause its got the same shit. I'd rather see a mild car that is A+++ quality then a car that is wild but is a F- in the workmanship deparment.

If you wanna talk about the potential of the path then you need to compare it to other paths in order to prove its worthyness. Theres no getting around that.

Yeh i realise that but end of the day, they still use the same engines, the same parts and same tuneing hardwear/softwear that we have access too as well. Yes the Usa market is way larger but doesnt mean ours have anyless potential.

I disagree ...they way i see it if there is a bone stock ek civic with a d16 in australia and another bone stock Ek civic with a D16 in the usa, you buy the exact same greddy / AVO / Fullrace for both... imo they have the exact same potential.

When you talk about quality i think you mean more about machineing to some extent as yes deffinately would be more experience by people in the usa.

As for compareing it to other paths you cant compare A (engine conversion with blah blah blah mods) vs B (turbo conversion with blah blah blah) you can only do it by budget....

eg

Path A Engine Conversion A - Engine conversion will cost me $4000 and will give me Xwhp
Path B Turbo Setup A - If i use $4000 towards a turbo conversion setup Xwhp

If the turbo conversion weighs up better for $/HP then some might say... ohhh but turbo setup A wont be as good as engine conversion B which costs $6000.00 So then you have to go back and go

Path A Engine Conversion B - - Engine conversion will cost me $6000 and will give me Xwhp
Path B Turbo Setup B - If i use $6000 towards a turbo conversion Xwhp

so on and so forth

[Lukezen27]

In the end it all comes down to the fact that I’m VERY VERY jealous of the Yanks and there cheap-ass parts :o


PS

I had 4K saved for my turbo setup but I when to South Africa to see the big animals instead :thumbsup:

[hondavti25]

fish man i thought the hole idea of this forum was to be HONDA enthusiast's not to bad mouth them just thought id make a point :) lol whats a 1-2 second differance any way ... 6,000 buks for 1 -2 extra seconds for a street car .... i think i can learn to live with a D turbo over a stock B16 any day and thats only because we own D16s... i dont think any one here is argueing the fact that if you own a B you would change it to a D .... if you dont like Ds stuff dont read it maybe?...

[Lukezen27]

fish man i thought the hole idea of this forum was to be HONDA enthusiast's not to bad mouth them just thought id make a point :) lol whats a 1-2 second differance any way ... 6,000 buks for 1 -2 extra seconds for a street car .... i think i can learn to live with a D turbo over a stock B16 any day and thats only because we own D16s... i dont think any one here is argueing the fact that if you own a B you would change it to a D .... if you dont like Ds stuff dont read it maybe?...

Guys

Please stop picking on people with disability's

:eek:

PS
fish man Dyno Davids D16Y8 N/A will destroy your B16 :)

[Aza]

fishman wheres ur time slips?

who are u anyway? **** dude get a life.

[fishman]

Guys

Please stop picking on people with disability's
:eek:
PS
fish man Dyno Davids D16Y8 N/A will destroy your B16 :)

yeah guys with d-series, should really stop picking on them, lmao

And who is Dyno David? Stooge.

Sexc86, you're a complete idiot, the whole point that JasonGilmore is trying to make is just cause US have done some things doesn't mean it's gonna happen here. We've seen it a thousand times. I know a hand full of Turbo D-series, and sad reality is they all run 14's like yourself.

Aza, i know a few people that have seen your car. They just say it's a joke, and you're a clown that knows close to nothing about it. And y do i need a timeslip? I ain't sitting around talking my car up, i know the difference between reading what's online and what's real. My stockish teg does high 14's nothing to be proud of.

[fishman]

lol whats a 1-2 second differance any..

now you're a complete idiot, if that's what you think. y bother modiflying cars, just shows how much of a dumb ass you are.

1 - 2 seconds is the difference between a fast car and a car like aza'a and sexc86 :wave:

[Lukezen27]

And who is Dyno David? Stooge.




If you don't know then you DONT KNOW!

Nuff said

LukeZen

[zco]

errr. isnt it dynodave ?

[Aza]

ok thats strange, noone off here has seen my car since its been running right..... haha dick weed. o well nice try at a dig anyway. if u acturlly did read u would no the car has only been running as it should since tuesday, and if u read my thread it was the first conversion i have ever done and first engine i have turboed and if u take that into account then imo its a pretty dam good effort. and as u just said ur integra is nothing to boast about so u sit back and diss cars that have got something done to it and sit there posing with a picture of a nice honda so everyone thinks thats what drive. o well mate honestly i dont care what anyone on here thinks of me or of d's. put up or shut up. ps this thread isnt meant to be a bitch fight, the prove of the POTENTIAL of a d series is all on the sites we have linked to. there are NO high powered d's in aus really. but that doesnt mean they don't exsist. but as we all no hondas dont need massive amounts of power to get some nice street times. but still for what they are and they money that goes into them..... d series is a cheap way to give ur car a kick and make it fun to drive and reliable if done right.

[Aza]

now you're a complete idiot, if that's what you think. y bother modiflying cars, just shows how much of a dumb ass you are.

1 - 2 seconds is the difference between a fast car and a car like aza'a and sexc86 :wave:

ps why do u keep saying mine and sexc are the same. he has a basic d15 turbo currently (thats what the 14.5 1/4 time is from and thats in a full street trim SHOW CAR) and is in the process of building a D16. mines a completely different engine and set up. its like comparing a skyline with an wrx

[fishman]

errr. isnt it dynodave ?

hahah bingo.

Aza i'm just waiting for you to run your car. By all means i'll look like a total dick if you actually do run 13's. But yeah, i'm almost positivie you won't :wave:

[Aza]

lol ok and with that said we can stop the shitty posts. we will just put this arguement to a timeslip just to make u happy.

[fishman]

Azza's car will do good times, however im sure you ALL know its all in the techniquue and the driver to get the best out of your car... you cant just go there on your first run and get your best time... practise makes perfect...

his car is capable of a high 13 or low 14, weather he does it on his first few runs is irrevelent.... i got no probs going out there and shooting some vids of him doing some runs... (the proper way in as is complete street condition with street tyres... not with everything stripped out)




typical loser excuse. i'm pretty sure it was just last week you said that he would run 13's no sweat. taking your words back already. :wave:

[Sexc86]

fishman you are a fool... so your telling me if 2 identicle hondas with the exact same turbo setups dont have the same potential? doesnt sound right to me...

only difference i could possibly see would be on a all out build where machineing comes down to alot of experience so there arnt any failures... Experience that the usa has far more of then oz

car A with Engine B and Mods C will alwayes have the same potential regardless of where they are located in the world..

In those links are HUNDREDS and HUNDREDS of people and setups who are prooving you wrong... feel sorry for you that your so ignorant and think that your right and everyone else is wrong even with evidence stareing you in the face... the country they are in is irelevent

[Lukezen27]

errr. isnt it dynodave ?

dose the spelling really matter?

And its DynoDave if you want'a go tech'n shi-t


hahah bingo.

Aza i'm just waiting for you to run your car. By all means i'll look like a total dick if you actually do run 13's. But yeah, i'm almost positivie you won't :wave:


Covering up your noobness doesn't count here

[fishman]

lol ok and with that said we can stop the shitty posts. we will just put this arguement to a timeslip just to make u happy.

I respect that. No more stupid posts. I'll just wait till you run your times. :thumbsup:

[fishman]

fishman you are a fool... so your telling me if 2 identicle hondas with the exact same turbo setups dont have the same potential? doesnt sound right to me...

only difference i could possibly see would be on a all out build where machineing comes down to alot of experience so there arnt any failures... Experience that the usa has far more of then oz

car A with Engine B and Mods C will alwayes have the same potential regardless of where they are located in the world..

In those links are HUNDREDS and HUNDREDS of people and setups who are prooving you wrong... feel sorry for you that your so ignorant and think that your right and everyone else is wrong even with evidence stareing you in the face... the country they are in is irelevent

just shut the fuc k up and go run your 14 sec car. I never said any of the US cars are slow, i'm saying YOUR CAR IS. And maybe your mate Aza's too. Guess we wait and see.

[zco]

in all honesty, fishman is just speaking his mind. and its just not words you wanna hear. if you think he's a dick, then go prove him wrong. but he'll have the last laugh when you cant live upto your words..
lots of shit talkers around, just go prove your point- go get those figures that you think you can get and then post slips.

[zco]

dose the spelling really matter?

And its DynoDave if you want'a go tech'n shi-t




Covering up your noobness doesn't count here

well you were the one acting as if you know who dave is.. and i know for a fact that fishman has worked with dave flood himself. spelling doesnt matter, not trying to be picky..

[Sexc86]

typical loser excuse. i'm pretty sure it was just last week you said that he would run 13's no sweat. taking your words back already. :wave:



The car is CAPABLE of a 13 i know this for a FACT seen it done, some of the brisbane boys might know a ek civic called 17son that got around a while ago... that was a sedan bolt on setup similar to azz's and he had a d16y4 which is non vtec... azz's is vtec in a lighter car.... do the math mate

WEATHER AZZ does a 13 / 14 / 15 / 16 on his first few runs, its irelevent... his car is capable of a 13..... seen it done personally and plenty of proof on my first post to...

No he wont do his best times on his first runs because like everyone it comes down to technique and practice... i bet the first time you ran your teg you didnt do your best times.... dont you worry ill go down to the strip with him and my digital camera, ill get a vid some paperwork

MY MAIN POINT! IF THERE ARE OTHER CIVICS WITH SIMIAR SETUPS TO AZZ'S RUNNING 13'S THEN WHY ISNT HIS CAPABLE OF IT?

[Sexc86]

just shut the fuc k up and go run your 14 sec car. I never said any of the US cars are slow, i'm saying YOUR CAR IS. And maybe your mate Aza's too. Guess we wait and see.

ahha man its funny how people when people react when they loose an argument and resolve to childish abuse .... got some advice for ya mate... go to the bottom of the page, click number 1, READ the initial post, its not about my car its not about azz's car not about anyone in specific.... purely about turbod16's and the potential they hold. Your the one who got sidetracked and brings up useless crap

Feel sorry for ya mate your the one that brings this crap up.... and yeh i got no probs with cruiseing around in my Pride and Joy civic

[Lukezen27]

well you were the one acting as if you know who dave is.. and i know for a fact that fishman has worked with dave flood himself. spelling doesnt matter, not trying to be picky..

lol

I know who Dave is though I have not had the pleasure but have talked to him a few times

So fishman must know about Dave's research on D's then :p

Its like this!!!

Every time someone posts something good about D’s, the B’s boys come in a say bla bla B16/18



Is this not true?

[SLOWEGG]

Nopes, it all about K-series these days.

[riceball]

lol whats a 1-2 second differance any way

Err.. You are joking right? Obviously you don't know the gap between a 14 second car and a 13 sec car. Not to mention people spend $1,000's trying to break into a 1 sec shorter bracket.

[riceball]

some of the brisbane boys might know a ek civic called 17son that got around a while ago... that was a sedan bolt on setup similar to azz's and he had a d16y4 which is non vtec... azz's is vtec in a lighter car.... do the math mate


Yeah I've seen 17son's car run at willowbank raceway. If i remember clearly, he did a 16 sec pass. lol Best for the night was a 15 sec i think it was.

[Sexc86]

nah mate incorrect, from memory on his initial setup and basic tune he did run some 15s, but i do know for a fact at the end of haveing his car before he sold it he was down to consistant 13s... ill see if i can get in touch with him and see if hes still got the slips

[90-POV]

B series FTW!!!!!

[90-POV]

nah mate incorrect, from memory on his initial setup and base tune he did run some 15s, but i do know for a fact at the end of haveing his car before he sold it he was down to consistant 13s... ill see if i can get in touch with him and see if hes still got the slips

nah bro 15's if he was lucky

[barefootbonzai]

ahhaha i remeber 17SON, my basic b16 setup was running faster times then him. Lyle, he ran 15's and that's a fact, no shit if you keep on spending money on it, it's gonna run faster. But the FACT was that his basic boosted D-series setup ran 15's, ALL NITE LONG behind my B16.

There is no point at looking at the potential of cars overseas, and saying that a shitty basic setup here is gonna do the same time. The only fast D-series down under i can think off is Weq's car. And that was no basic bolt on Ebay kit.

[riceball]

Ok. Lets talk "Similar Setup's"

Similar can mean the difference between a custom 3" exhaust and a high quality branded exhaust. From all of this, I think what Fishman's point is really that the US guys use very high quality parts that we in OZ may not be able to get our hands on. I mean lets face it, If you go on ebay and buy some unknown branded forged pistons that the seller claims to "increase horsepower" opposed to toda forged pistons for instance, do you think that the quality and improvement would be the same?

I don't know what parts you guys have to support the turbo setups you're currently running eg; exhaust, manifold, ecu, tune etc. But I do believe quality parts do make a difference and contribution between a 13 sec car and a 15 sec car.

[hinezz]

Nopes, it all about K-series these days.

ur rite, k-series is in :thumbsup: dunno abt d-series :confused:

[Sexc86]

man im not blind..... im not saying at some stages he did run some 15s but i was there on one test and tune... and watched him with my own eyes do a few consistant 13...

if car A runs 3 times in a night, say a 15 and then a 14 and then a 13... safe to say its a 13sec car.. just because it DID a 15 doesnt mean its a 15sec car... as i said ill try get in contact with him and see if hes got any dyno sheets or timeslips etc etc

[barefootbonzai]

FFS his been there heaps of times the same time we were. And he struggled to even break into the 14's all nite long. I can recall at least 2 nites there.

So what if it's done 13's now, after his done more work to it. We have already stated if you keep doin work to it of course it's gonna be quick.

Plus his the guy telling everyone his got a fully built motor and runs super high boost anyways.. go figure.

[Sexc86]

Ok. Lets talk "Similar Setup's"

Similar can mean the difference between a custom 3" exhaust and a high quality branded exhaust. From all of this, I think what Fishman's point is really that the US guys use very high quality parts that we in OZ may not be able to get our hands on. I mean lets face it, If you go on ebay and buy some unknown branded forged pistons that the seller claims to "increase horsepower" opposed to toda forged pistons for instance, do you think that the quality and improvement would be the same?

I don't know what parts you guys have to support the turbo setups you're currently running eg; exhaust, manifold, ecu, tune etc. But I do believe quality parts do make a difference and contribution between a 13 sec car and a 15 sec car.



I understand your point mate but just because we are in oz doesnt mean we cant get quality hardwear. as i said if 2 cars are built the same with the same parts they have the same potential.... yes if you use shit parts, no name brands etc etc you will have problems and it wont perform but just because we are located in australia doesnt mean we are restricted to inferior hardwear....

The only difference between australia and the USA is work that has to be done personally such as machineing were it takes experience to get it right... experience that not many people have in australia

[Sexc86]

FFS his been there heaps of times the same time we were. And he struggled to even break into the 14's all nite long. I can recall at least 2 nites there.

So what if it's done 13's now, after his done more work to it. We have already stated if you keep doin work to it of course it's gonna be quick.

Plus his the guy telling everyone his got a fully built motor and runs super high boost anyways.. go figure.


man i dont doubt that the car has done those times but i know what i have seen and i know what his setup was before he sold it.... unopened d16, bolt on kit, haltec etc...

you should know duy that practise and technique plays a big part in the 1/4.... so the more practise that you do of course your going to get better times...

doesnt matter about he says/she says stuff... thats just irrelevent

[Lukezen27]

ahhaha i remeber 17SON, my basic b16 setup was running faster times then him. Lyle, he ran 15's and that's a fact, no shit if you keep on spending money on it, it's gonna run faster. But the FACT was that his basic boosted D-series setup ran 15's, ALL NITE LONG behind my B16.

There is no point at looking at the potential of cars overseas, and saying that a shitty basic setup here is gonna do the same time. The only fast D-series down under i can think off is Weq's car. And that was no basic bolt on Ebay kit.

I don't understand this so help me

Weq first setup was D16Y1 stock with a bolt-on Greddy kit witch made 120KW at the wheels, so how could that be slower than a stock B16A = only about 88KW at wheels!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Only his last setup was boost built = 200KW on the wheels or whatever it was..

Luke

[Sexc86]

yeh weq's setup was a monstor! real inspireing!.... come to think of it i dont think hes really roaming the forem these days!... should get him in on an opinion on this thred

[Lukezen27]

yeh weq's setup was a monstor! real inspireing!.... come to think of it i dont think hes really roaming the forem these days!... should get him in on an opinion on this thred

He sold out and when for pre built Z power lol

[Sexc86]

yeh i know **** he sold that civic cheap! i though even about buying it and changeing my civics engine with his! would of loved to see it first hand!

[riceball]

He is saying that Weq's car was fast, not comparing it to the B16.

[zco]

hey sexc86.. have you ran your car down the 1/4 ? what kinda times are you expecting if you havent ?
is there a rought indication on how much money youve spent ? would like to know how these turbo d's run

[Q_ball]

in all honesty, fishman is just speaking his mind. and its just not words you wanna hear. if you think he's a dick, then go prove him wrong. but he'll have the last laugh when you cant live upto your words..
lots of shit talkers around, just go prove your point- go get those figures that you think you can get and then post slips.
Agreed :thumbsup:

Nopes, it all about K-series these days.
Agreed :thumbsup:

The only fast D-series down under i can think off is Weq's car. And that was no basic bolt on Ebay kit.
Agreed :thumbsup:

Ok. Lets talk "Similar Setup's"

Similar can mean the difference between a custom 3" exhaust and a high quality branded exhaust. From all of this, I think what Fishman's point is really that the US guys use very high quality parts that we in OZ may not be able to get our hands on.
Agreed :thumbsup:

[Lukezen27]

He is saying that Weq's car was fast, not comparing it to the B16.

Yeah but my point was his first setup was Stock + bolt-on and that made more power than a stock B16

[90LAN]

cant wait to the honda cruise in july!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Sexc86]

Originally Posted by riceball
Ok. Lets talk "Similar Setup's"

Similar can mean the difference between a custom 3" exhaust and a high quality branded exhaust. From all of this, I think what Fishman's point is really that the US guys use very high quality parts that we in OZ may not be able to get our hands on.

Agreed
_________


Agreed? why is it then that i can get my hands on the same internals and bolt on's that people can in the usa?


zco - mine is a d15b7 (SOHC 1.5 non vtec) Compelte standard engine, bolt on kit with microtec lt8 (standalone management)... the whole basic setup cost me abit under 3k tuned ready to go.... (however i saved a bit of money importing the gear from the usa and did all the installation basics myself)...

Last time i ran my car was a few weeks back, running 7psi... takeing into account and extra 100kgs of audio gear in the boot and 100kg worth of chrome rims (25kgs each) Complete as is show condition and a fuct clutch (slipping top end on gear changes) i ran a 14.5 @ 99mph....

No im not trying to make excuses i think its actually a pretty good time for the car and its circumstances... however its commen sense that its capable of better times if the conditions were different then as above... also makes 105fwkw

end of the day im not trying to make this about ME or MY car or MY setup..
no one believes me more then happy to show dyno sheets and my slips



If you want a good general overall idea of how Turbo D's run go through the links on my main post thats what they are there for!

[barefootbonzai]

I don't understand this so help me

Weq first setup was D16Y1 stock with a bolt-on Greddy kit witch made 120KW at the wheels, so how could that be slower than a stock B16A = only about 88KW at wheels!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Only his last setup was boost built = 200KW on the wheels or whatever it was..

Luke

I don't know buddy, why don't you tell me y about 5 other cars i know with D-series turbo run slower times than me in a stock b16? Dyno numbers mean nothing. Show me 1/4 times.

[Lukezen27]

I don't know buddy, why don't you tell me y about 5 other cars i know with D-series turbo run slower times than me in a stock b16? Dyno numbers mean nothing. Show me 1/4 times.

lol

Yeah I don't understand that's why I asked

[barefootbonzai]

Yeah I don't understand

that pretty much sums it up, hahahah.

[Sexc86]

I don't know buddy, why don't you tell me y about 5 other cars i know with D-series turbo run slower times than me in a stock b16? Dyno numbers mean nothing. Show me 1/4 times.

did you have any interior or any excess weight in your car running those times? didnt you have I/H/E on your b16? doesnt sound stock to me ? also man check the links on the first page should be a fair fair few turbo dseries 1/4 times there.... thats what the links are for


End of the day the links are there for a reason... ozzy engines are exactly the same as us engines... we have access to the exact same parts as them as well... we even have an advantage as they only have reg 94 octain fuel everyday access! we have up to 100!! they have the same potential hense thats what the potential of a boosted D is....

nothing different just because they are in a different country... man im just going around in circules... im off to bed

[Q_ball]

Originally Posted by riceball
Ok. Lets talk "Similar Setup's"

Similar can mean the difference between a custom 3" exhaust and a high quality branded exhaust. From all of this, I think what Fishman's point is really that the US guys use very high quality parts that we in OZ may not be able to get our hands on.

Agreed
_________


Agreed? why is it then that i can get my hands on the same internals and bolt on's that people can in the usa?

I agree, as the US will always be the US, and we will always be Australia, the sheep of every fcukin facet when it comes to fashion, technology...and cars when compared to the rest of the world.
Everything comes out and is implemented elsewhere first,
And by the time we catch up and produce the same sort of work, they would have created atomic bombs that fit in your jean pockets.

[040501912]

I don't know buddy, why don't you tell me y about 5 other cars i know with D-series turbo run slower times than me in a stock b16? Dyno numbers mean nothing. Show me 1/4 times.

DYno number mean something!!! it will predict how fast are you going on the quater mile!! THEORITICALLY!

but as we know, tire spins, no tractions, wind, wheather comes to play.

basicly DYNO NUMBERS GIVE YOU a rough indication how fast your car should be getting to. give or take 0.5 of a sec. :angel:

[barefootbonzai]

Yes my car has I/H/E. The eninge was stock. I drove my car straight from work to the strip. And i don't need to make excuses after i run times down the 1/4 like you.

[fatboyz39]

Basic kit on a D-series motor is a total waste of money. Might as well go for b16a and turbo that later down the track hehe.

I just question the reliability of a turbo d-series in the long run, i.e take it to the track and drive it hard for the whole day, im sure the something is bound to go wrong. Compare to a b16a, im sure it'll have less chance of breaking down.

As fishman said, timeslips proves it all. Dyno power deosn't prove anything until you take your car down 1/4mile and see what MPH it pulls.

My car makes 80 odd kw atw and does 14.7 down 1/4mile. Im sure this time has upset a few d-series turbo setup.:p

[barefootbonzai]

DYno number mean something!!! it will predict how fast are you going on the quater mile!! THEORITICALLY!

but as we know, tire spins, no tractions, wind, wheather comes to play.

basicly DYNO NUMBERS GIVE YOU a rough indication how fast your car should be getting to. give or take 0.5 of a sec. :angel:

yep theoritically. who cares about what it's could or might do. it's what it actually does that matters.

[Sexc86]

i dont make excuses i state facts that gives room for improvement... as i said... plenty of proof on my first page... i can build an engine with the exact same parts as people in the usa it will have the same potential... simple common sense...

im pretty surprise people on here suppose to be open minded yet they will judge a WHOLE path of honda performance based on 1 or 2 cars..... and only see / believe what they want to see / believe...

glass is half empty when they want to be and half full on the flip side

[Sexc86]

Basic kit on a D-series motor is a total waste of money. Might as well go for b16a and turbo that later down the track hehe.

I just question the reliability of a turbo d-series in the long run, i.e take it to the track and drive it hard for the whole day, im sure the something is bound to go wrong. Compare to a b16a, im sure it'll have less chance of breaking down.

As fishman said, timeslips proves it all. Dyno power deosn't prove anything until you take your car down 1/4mile and see what MPH it pulls.

My car makes 80 odd kw atw and does 14.7 down 1/4mile. Im sure this time has upset a few d-series turbo setup.:p

man this thred is aimed at people who have a civic/crx who have a standard Dseries in there.... im not saying to people who have b h k's they should swap them out and replace with a D.... its letting people know they dont have to Get rid of there d if they want some more performance...

When you say your sure that something is boud to go wrong to do make that statement with any experience at all? or is it just a stab in the dark?

Sounds like you do some good times im guessing in a crx? a good mate of mine here in brizo has a gen 2 d16a with a bolt on turbo setup... goes very very well should see if i can get him out and do some runs and get some slips and paperwork... i know from memory hes around a sec slower then 14.7 though (could be wrong though)

[Waggy]

Wow this thread has gone completly out of hand....

[Q_ball]

Wow this thread has gone completly out of hand....

Agreed! :thumbsup:

[Sexc86]

nah its good that people are thinking of every reason under the sun to no justify the potential of the path... because it opens up debates that are common questions for people in the situation of wondering what should i do for more power in my civic/crx with a dseries....

just a shame people start getting personal about it but hey that just shows their matureity.... end of day internet mechanics can say whatever they like but still plenty of info, results and proof on page 1 !

[90-POV]

see u's at jamboree

[barefootbonzai]

all you talk about is potential. no shit there's potential. i'm talking about real life boosted d-series cars that exsist around australia. And what do you know, they all fall short and run shit times. Of course they have potential yet none of them have performed yet.

You're talking what might, or could happen. I"m talking about what is and has been happened. Seems like you're the internet mechanic here. Just putting up what other people have done on the other side of the planet.

[90-POV]

hondatech FTW

[riceball]

My friends wrx has potential.

[hinezz]

reality is another concept

[Lukezen27]

all you talk about is potential. no shit there's potential. i'm talking about real life boosted d-series cars that exsist around australia. And what do you know, they all fall short and run shit times. Of course they have potential yet none of them have performed yet.

You're talking what might, or could happen. I"m talking about what is and has been happened. Seems like you're the internet mechanic here. Just putting up what other people have done on the other side of the planet.

I don't believe a Stock B16A = 88KW @ the wheels is faster than a boosted D16Y1/8 = 120Kw @ the wheels

THATS IT

Maybe those other guys can't drive? heheh

[fatboyz39]

this is how i see it, the yanks goes OUT and give it a go. While ppl here just all talk and blah blah.....

[bennjamin]

remember that the US has 301 million population , of which there would be atleast 16 times the amount of D series "whores" there. Of which , X amount are running crazy HP (on overrated dynos mind you lol) and hopefully nice times down the 1/4.
But this is OZ and we have about 3 people in all of this country with actual worked D series setups. Everything else is a pod filter and a fart cannon
.Its nice to back guys up that have a similar BASE engine , but its even better to prove you can drive and take it to the 1/4 and run some times to move heads.

[040501912]

I don't believe a Stock B16A = 88KW @ the wheels is faster than a boosted D16Y1/8 = 120Kw @ the wheels

THATS IT

Maybe those other guys can't drive? heheh

whose the driver, what tires they using? so u cant really judge on it.
the more kw@ wheels ofcourse will go faster in theoritical way!! basic rules of power/weight ratio !! n how good is the driver!!

lots of HP but lots of spinning can make shitty times

mind you that some of the built D series are SHOW CAR... not racing car :) no matter what your choice is, boosted or swap engine. it is for your own satisfactions. and your own dream.

dont listen what other people that keep flaming on you. JUST DO IT !!

[SLOWEGG]

My friends wrx has potential.

ROFL.. agreed.

"SHOW CAR" FTW..

[EG5]

My D16a8 EG back in the days ran 15.1@89mph , 2.1 sec 60ft
Mods : Intake , header , exhaust , heavy duty clutch and unichip .
Dynoed at 68kw@wheel ish

I tried what I can already to run it as fast as I can in NA form.
I gave up on D and went into B swap and now K swap

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v677/YonasLiu/YONASeg5.jpg

[040501912]

whoot YONAS u rule!! :p

[hondavti25]

now you're a complete idiot, if that's what you think. y bother modiflying cars, just shows how much of a dumb ass you are.

1 - 2 seconds is the difference between a fast car and a car like aza'a and sexc86 :wave:

Who said Ds cant go under a 14 you moron your friends obvisouly are about as clueless as you the Point is there saying that D isnt bad and just incase you are blind or illiterate... maybe you should click the links and actually read the times of a few of these crap Ds you keep refering to but i must be a dumb ass if i am reading 11 second times... on cars that have spent money on turbo kits and that extra they could have spent on a B convert but didnt and spent it on internals n crap and ended up with a bloody quick car... \ (http://www.turbod16.com/viewtopic.php?t=13384&sid=a2ad75ec696d576720cc8b218d114b33) give it up man

[Baopham]

LOL @ TURBO D series!

POTENTIAL!

D series are the best, they have HEAPS OF POTENTIAL! U fellas wouldnt know.. its all about potential.
fully sick to the sickestttttttt
I'd pick d series turbo over any other motor, only because it has SUPER potential, much more than a b series or nething like that.. its so totally bang for buck.. the extra bit of money in doing a built b series turbo setup is no way near worth the extra power.. thats if there is ANY! ZOMG D SERIES FFTW!!!!!! i mean OMG, b series u have to buy atleast 2 cam shafts! and gears!!! thats rite!! 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!! totally not worth it..

Verdict = d series is uber cool.

[barefootbonzai]

Who said Ds cant go under a 14 you moron your friends obvisouly are about as clueless as you the Point is there saying that D isnt bad and just incase you are blind or illiterate... maybe you should click the links and actually read the times of a few of these crap Ds you keep refering to but i must be a dumb ass if i am reading 11 second times... on cars that have spent money on turbo kits and that extra they could have spent on a B convert but didnt and spent it on internals n crap and ended up with a bloody quick car... \ (http://www.turbod16.com/viewtopic.php?t=13384&sid=a2ad75ec696d576720cc8b218d114b33) give it up man

You're a noob buddy. You should just stay out of it. When the did anyone say d-series the cars from that states are slow. We are talking about cars here. And no SHIT you can make a d-series fast with a good amount of $$$.

You should ask Lyle out on a date, you boys would make a nice couple.

[todas**t]

i know a boosted d series motor with stock internal ran a 14.9 tuned by a really known company with a redicalous dyno figure.... so i guess dyno figures cant tell your 1/4 mile time.. if i had a D series motor man ill do wat the guys do on youtube fill the motor up with water and redline the crap out of it until it stops.....

[froggy]

AHAHAH D SERIES FAST??? if they are so fast why isnt everybody modifying their D series? makes sense doesnt it? saying a D series is fast is like saying Hyundai excels are fast....if the D series had soo much potential everyone would have kept their good ol d series instead of doing engine conversions........YOU GUYS ARE SILLLLLLLLLLLLLY...if you think D series have lots of potential to go fast your obvisouly in denial...maybe you should seek medical help???

the fact is in AUSTRALIA D series even with turbos are slow slow slowww...Most do them up for wank factor, big tachos and body kits,subs etc...thats why they slow...but even without that it would be slow..its just fact.......unless u spend a fair bit of money u might get something half decent...but then its not value for money anymore......its okay to be original but your just kicking yourself in the bum bum if you think your gonna get a fully sick GTR out of a D series for a decent amount of money....maybe i should ask my mum to turbo her d series and it'll go fast...and put some NOS as well and NEONS!!!!

ok i think i've said enough...the point here is D series fast=in denial (for wasting soo much money on something soo sillllly)

[040501912]

i know a boosted d series motor with stock internal ran a 14.9 tuned by a really known company with a redicalous dyno figure.... so i guess dyno figures cant tell your 1/4 mile time..

hemp i guess he just cant get traction :wave:

[hondavti25]

lol yes that makes sences doesnt it that because a car is in the US its quicker then an Aus car... lol so what if i take my car to the US it automaticaly becomes quicker lol ok man good come back with that one aye lol if you guys dont like D dont read it

[todas**t]

hemp i guess he just cant get traction :wave:

nah just a waste of money all togther.....

[todas**t]

lol yes that makes sences doesnt it that because a car is in the US its quicker then an Aus car... lol so what if i take my car to the US it automaticaly becomes quicker lol ok man good come back with that one aye lol if you guys dont like D dont read it

they wont let u drive your car there to so it makes u slower.....

[froggy]

lol yes that makes sences doesnt it that because a car is in the US its quicker then an Aus car... lol so what if i take my car to the US it automaticaly becomes quicker lol ok man good come back with that one aye lol if you guys dont like D dont read it

i dont understand? obvisouly over there they've spent a SHIT load of money....if u want to spend your life savings goo ahead do your d series up...i never said there was anything wrong with that...facts is facts if D series was such an awesome engine why the hell did honda make the B series then the K series? why isnt the D series in the TYPE R's? soo much potential.......its okay if u have a D series i used to have one as well i understand why your angry!

[hondavti25]

i dont understand? obvisouly over there they've spent a SHIT load of money....if u want to spend your life savings goo ahead do your d series up...i never said there was anything wrong with that...facts is facts if D series was such an awesome engine why the hell did honda make the B series then the K series? why isnt the D series in the TYPE R's? soo much potential.......its okay if u have a D series i used to have one as well i understand why your angry!

are you guys all just stupid ... no one said they where better... at all they said they have potential and the point was for the money a person who owns a D COULD spend on a B convert would get a better gain spending the money on a turbo kit... and you cant argue with that coz its a fact... BUT if you OWN a b you wouldnt convert to a D so all you tools that are coming up with this stuff about people saying that Ds are better then Bs etc learn to read what is being said this hole thread was ment to be showing people what a D CAN do i think thats a fair point.

[barefootbonzai]

lol yes that makes sences doesnt it that because a car is in the US its quicker then an Aus car... lol so what if i take my car to the US it automaticaly becomes quicker lol ok man good come back with that one aye lol if you guys dont like D dont read it

omg, you're a complete dick. i think you have retard issues if you don't understand what i said in the earlier post.

[hondavti25]

me the complete dick your the one that comes on bad mouthing when not a soul said to any one that a B was bad or better then a D get over it you clowns argue about somthing important rather then my B is better then your D GROW UP

[040501912]

i think we need some ice in here .. lol

either B or D they are a respected engine. in many views. both are engineered by HONDA and they are made for a purpose!!

[barefootbonzai]

me the complete dick your the one that comes on bad mouthing when not a soul said to any one that a B was bad or better then a D get over it you clowns argue about somthing important rather then my B is better then your D GROW UP

then y bother get involuved for then? especially when you know shit all about honda and it's motors. And the whole point of this thread was to show how awsome the D-series Turbo is, and i'm dissagreeing posting arguments.

Unlike you just posting useless rubbish.

[froggy]

are you guys all just stupid ... no one said they where better... at all they said they have potential and the point was for the money a person who owns a D COULD spend on a B convert would get a better gain spending the money on a turbo kit... and you cant argue with that coz its a fact... BUT if you OWN a b you wouldnt convert to a D so all you tools that are coming up with this stuff about people saying that Ds are better then Bs etc learn to read what is being said this hole thread was ment to be showing people what a D CAN do i think thats a fair point.

you must be getting ripped off if you think its cheaper to Turbo a D series correctly then swap to a b......sure if u only buy a second hand turbo kit without internals, computer, tuning...it can be cheaper...but your car wont run very well will it...D series does not have that much potential...or else u would have seen alot more around.....fact is fact...stop denying the facts

[SLOWEGG]

How can you turbo a D series be cheaper then a B16a conversion?

[90-POV]

me the complete dick your the one that comes on bad mouthing when not a soul said to any one that a B was bad or better then a D get over it you clowns argue about somthing important rather then my B is better then your D GROW UP

yeh bro ur tha complete dick, u got that right:wave:

[Aza]

Ok I have been staying out of this for a few pages now as it seems it has taken a turn for the worst and gone off topic but I wanted to post this. It is pretty simple to know that compared to other Honda engines D series is the baby and yes any other turboed Honda engine would in most cases work better then a turboed D and produce better results. When I was first looking at doing the engine on my civic I had decided on a budget of 5000$. With this target in mind I went out and looked at my options and I to came down the B series vs turboed D dilemma. Now with this budget I could have easily thrown in a B series, but with this and my budget a B series just wouldn’t produce the power I was looking for (not saying B series in NA form are slow, and I know there are a lot out there running awesome times, however most of these do run stripped interiors and I just simply wish to keep my interior intacked, this is my own choice and I have nothing against people who do strip, so in saying this if I wasn’t going to strip I needed more power going by the old weight vs power rule). So for me and my budget a turboed d seemed to be the best choice. With this budget and now knowing my direction I went out and researched what I could get, I kind of realised important things to go on the turbo set up with ecu, injectors, decent exhaust, ect. Now with spending the money on these and the turbo parts to get it going my budget nearly vanished which made me conclude that I wasn’t going to have the money to do up the internals on my d series. This decision means I could not get massive power and run massive boost into my engine. Therefore limiting my engine to around 250hp atw as seems to be the limit for a stock block turboed d. now 250hp in a civic isn’t that bad at all so I wasn’t to fused with this. I don’t plan to keep this car forever but in the time I have it I want it to be as fun as possible (yes I do have fun driving a turboed d). So with the parts now figured out I went out and put it all together. With the parts I have I don’t believe I will hit the 250hp mark (gets dynoed this weekend) but as we all know we can only go as fast as we can afford, and I simply cannot afford to spend anymore money engine wise on this car. My car isnt a drag or track car. it is a daily driver that i can have fun in and occassional show. However with what I have spent I am very happy with the results I am seeing, I can defiantly see where the money has went and i am very happy i decided to go on this path, as i said this was the best hp gain i could get in the money i was willing to spend and i dont intend to upgrade the engine any further ON THIS CAR. but if i was rich i wouldnt be driving a d. as quoted from before u only go as fast as u can afford.

now this reply isnt meant to cuase arguements it is just to show others what motives people might have to do a d over another honda engine. value for money, thats all it is.

(ps i reacon it was better first time i typed it, haha my net fudged up which made me loose it had to retype)

[Benson]

What a cool thread to read. haha keeps me entertain.

All i can say is, B-series at the end of the day has more potential and cost in the long run will be less.

Take for example our B20 hybrid set-up. Its currently running 13.4 @103 MPH for an untuned motor. This basic set-up wont set you back a huge amount, as it only cost us roughly 6k to build up the engine. How much money would you have to used for a turbo D-series to get to this 1/4 mile time? Many would find it hard to even reach this time. Wait until we get this motor tuned, then we are talking 12's which will be a completely different story :) .

Besides 1/4mile, have any turbo d-series seen the circuit/track racing? How reliable are they? Can they sustain an entire day of constant torture?

[Killa From Manila]

ne1 got ne figures from.. hmmm... say a b18cr turbo?

[Centurius]

is everybody forgetting jon's old Gen2 CRX or andy's? pretty sure they both made 11's by the end, or at least low 12's... and they were both D16. not that they really hold relevance to the original topic, that on a low budget, you're gonna get more kw out of a turbo-d than a near-stock B16 (and you get the bonus pshh!!) but it can and has been done in Aus.
and jase.. with any luck, by the end of the year, you'll have your ride in a quick turbo-d. ;)

[EG5]

ne1 got ne figures from.. hmmm... say a b18cr turbo?

B18CR + 7 psi AVO t28 turbo kit + 2.5 inch catback


http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b339/kawasaki_au/dynosheet.jpg

[hondavti25]

is everybody forgetting jon's old Gen2 CRX or andy's? pretty sure they both made 11's by the end, or at least low 12's... and they were both D16. not that they really hold relevance to the original topic, that on a low budget, you're gonna get more kw out of a turbo-d than a near-stock B16 (and you get the bonus pshh!!) but it can and has been done in Aus.
and jase.. with any luck, by the end of the year, you'll have your ride in a quick turbo-d. ;)

that is the point right there mate :) for a low budget for some one who alreadys owns a D your better off turboing it then havin a basic NA B series...

[JasonGilholme]

and jase.. with any luck, by the end of the year, you'll have your ride in a quick turbo-d. ;)

:cool: :cool: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Look forward to it.

[90-POV]

B series turbo FTW:thumbsup:

[fishman]

that is the point right there mate :) for a low budget for some one who alreadys owns a D your better off turboing it then havin a basic NA B series...

and i guess you would know right... have you ever owned either of them? just talking out of your ass.

how about we just wait for aza to run down the quater and see how it goes. i think his spent around $5k from what he said (note his car was already turbo charged so some of the cost already taken care off).

[Aza]

yeah ur right mate i saved a little bit, not to much though as how it was last turboed by the previous owner damaged a few parts (turbo, front mount, bov, o and engine) but i gained in intercooler piping, alloy radiator, turbo manifold, few extra bits and pieces.

[hondavti25]

i give up argueing PEACE to all

[jooboo]

^^^ hahahahahaha i love this thread!!!!

[Aza]

funny thing is so do it, great read for a boring day at work :D

[JasonGilholme]

meh don't mind the haters guys.

I'm actually genuinely interested to see how a D with a basic turbo setup and associated bits would go. Especially in comparison with sometime like what i've got (standard b16 in a mostly stock chassis) and even a b16 with I/H/E.

The only real way to prove the "path" is to compare it. I don't care what anyone else says. Its like having someone tell you that being jewish is better because they said so lol.

EDIT: No offence to anyone from any particular religion. it was just an example. Adam Sandler is Jewish and he's cool lol :thumbsup:

[Waggy]

I'm really surprised this hasn't been closed yet.

Possibly the most active thread I've ever seen in the FI section lol.

It'll be nice to see what you run Aza.

[hinezz]

meh don't mind the haters guys.

I'm actually genuinely interested to see how a D with a basic turbo setup and associated bits would go. Especially in comparison with sometime like what i've got (standard b16 in a mostly stock chassis) and even a b16 with I/H/E.

The only real way to prove the "path" is to compare it. I don't care what anyone else says. Its like having someone tell you that being jewish is better because they said so lol.

EDIT: No offence to anyone from any particular religion. it was just an example. Adam Sandler is Jewish and he's cool lol :thumbsup:

gud one!!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[Aza]

lol there will always be haters. but i dont do it for anyone else i do it for my own enjoyment. its a ball to drive when it gets its boost on.

ps being jewish is cool, haha just kidding im not religious at all

[Waggy]

lol there will always be haters. but i dont do it for anyone else i do it for my own enjoyment. its a ball to drive when it gets its boost on.

ps being jewish is cool, haha just kidding im not religious at all

Will you be going to Jamboree?

[JasonGilholme]

lol there will always be haters. but i dont do it for anyone else i do it for my own enjoyment. its a ball to drive when it gets its boost on.

ps being jewish is cool, haha just kidding im not religious at all

haha me neither but i don't wanna upset anyone lol :cool: :thumbsup:

[Aza]

at this stage yes

[jooboo]

are u going to drag or show n shine?

[Aza]

haha leaning more for the dragging, it will make my weekend more exciting, show and shines are normally boring as hell.

[jooboo]

yeah they are, so come and drag. i want to see ur car run and see wat times it gets. jambo this year is going to be good...MHMHWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! LOL

[Weq]

Lyle, why do u care so much about people liking d-series? Cause u want respect from the b-series crowd? U want jdm ball hangers? is that it...?

[Aza]

yeah i think this years jambo will be... interesting to say the least. think honda cruise will be good to

[JasonGilholme]

Well he won't get JDM ball hangers just cause of the way his car looks. Its not JDM at all.

[Weq]

meh don't mind the haters guys.

I'm actually genuinely interested to see how a D with a basic turbo setup and associated bits would go. Especially in comparison with sometime like what i've got (standard b16 in a mostly stock chassis) and even a b16 with I/H/E.

D16y1
Greddy turbo kit, 2.5" exhaust

From a roll, i beat NSX-GT 2nd-mid 4th gear when the NSX's aero-dynamics took over. Pretty much says it all, hey? All you NA are belong to us...

[JasonGilholme]

lol.

Still will be interesting to see lol

[destrukshn]

lets not all forget now.
all depends on the driver as well.
ahhahaha

[Centurius]

yeah they are, so come and drag. i want to see ur car run and see wat times it gets. jambo this year is going to be good...MHMHWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! LOL

f'n oath it is! i may be there, for drag, but probably won't have the build done by then, will definetely be there to spectate though. inthered will be up, including hass' K24 del sol, running 12's on a stock engine, i only hope to get close to that.

[Aza]

yeah will be lots of fast hondas there, cant wait to see what 90 POV runs

[Weq]

What a cool thread to read. haha keeps me entertain.

All i can say is, B-series at the end of the day has more potential and cost in the long run will be less.

Take for example our B20 hybrid set-up. Its currently running 13.4 @103 MPH for an untuned motor. This basic set-up wont set you back a huge amount, as it only cost us roughly 6k to build up the engine. How much money would you have to used for a turbo D-series to get to this 1/4 mile time? Many would find it hard to even reach this time. Wait until we get this motor tuned, then we are talking 12's which will be a completely different story :) .

Besides 1/4mile, have any turbo d-series seen the circuit/track racing? How reliable are they? Can they sustain an entire day of constant torture?

Dyno figures dont lie. I spent 3k on my first turbo-d setup, and it munched every single b/h/k that ever got in its way. Im talking street racing in a full interor car. Not a stripped out track car.

Stock d-series will run 100-103mph in full interior, bolt-on. But with 20x the torque of ur weaksauce b-series.

[hinezz]

yeah will be lots of fast hondas there, cant wait to see what 90 POV runs

tru that, some fast hondas. il be there too with my k-series jazz ;)

jamboree should be gud this year :thumbsup:

[barefootbonzai]

Dyno figures dont lie. I spent 3k on my first turbo-d setup, and it munched every single b/h/k that ever got in its way. Im talking street racing in a full interor car. Not a stripped out track car.

Stock d-series will run 100-103mph in full interior, bolt-on. But with 20x the torque of ur weaksauce b-series.

what did you run down the 1/4 with your stock greddy setup?

[Weq]

what did you run down the 1/4 with your stock greddy setup?

I never ran the 1/4. Im a street racer, dont care. Output was 140fwkw with as much torque on 11psi.

Similiar setups run 14.5-13.5 depndiong on many factors including driver, tyres, elevation and temps.
Did i mention how cheap d-series parts are? Alot of aftermarket. I blew 3 built engines, and didnt pay as much as a b-series swap.

[fatboyz39]

Where is RICER in this thread....he just turboed his single cam D series motor. Plus he has driven a EG with a b16a so it'll be great if he has a review of what he thinks.

[ginganggooly]

Dyno figures dont lie. I spent 3k on my first turbo-d setup, and it munched every single b/h/k that ever got in its way. Im talking street racing in a full interor car. Not a stripped out track car.

Stock d-series will run 100-103mph in full interior, bolt-on. But with 20x the torque of ur weaksauce b-series.


As fun as the old traffic light grand prix is, it's no timeslip... and there are precious few turbo d-series timeslips to be found in Australia. No shortage of weaksauce b-series timeslips though.

Results vs Hot air if you ask me. Pun intended.

[Weq]

Where is RICER in this thread....he just turboed his single cam D series motor. Plus he has driven a EG with a b16a so it'll be great if he has a review of what he thinks.

Ive driven almost every combination known in the honda community. Driven in ranges from a week to a day. Ive owned a fair few combinations too.

AUDM B16a
JDM B16a
JDM B18C
H22a EG
K20 EG
Turbo JDM B16a
Turbo Semi-Buiilt B16a (250kw)
S/C Built b18C
D16
Turbo D16
Turbo Built D16 (220kw)
S2000
NSX

In the end, a D16 will give u enough power to blow traction in 1-3rd on the street. If u want to be a hi-way warrior and take on the bikes, b-series will blow 4th and race through 5th.. But they are for real men!!!

[Weq]

As fun as the old traffic light grand prix is, it's no timeslip... and there are precious few turbo d-series timeslips to be found in Australia. No shortage of weaksauce b-series timeslips though.

Results vs Hot air if you ask me. Pun intended.

Who said timeslip = fast car??? And who says street racing is the occasional tlgp?

I dont care if u dont think the d is fast. You will just be another kill on my list. Just like the NSX. Dave will show u the power graph, blowing off the rollers at 8000rpm cause of all its torque.

Under-estimation is the d-series power.

[Weq]

I wonder how many of the d-series haters in this thread have even driven a turbo d ??? ?? ?? ? ????

*all quite on the western front*
*tumbleweed*

Yeh, thought so... Now make a comment with all your experience and knowledge......

*tumbleweed*

Dont get me wrong, fastest FWD car ive ever driven was a b-series. It was great fun. If u can get one for free/come stock and built it right, u will love it. But swapping out ur D for a B, without 200+kw goals, ur just going to be dissapointed with the money VS power.

And thats what it comes down to right? There is no argument. No one is saying swap out ur b for a D. thats just stupid... well unless the d-series is built and turbo and ur b-series is stock :)

[barefootbonzai]

I never ran the 1/4. Im a street racer, dont care. Output was 140fwkw with as much torque on 11psi.

Similiar setups run 14.5-13.5 depndiong on many factors including driver, tyres, elevation and temps.
Did i mention how cheap d-series parts are? Alot of aftermarket. I blew 3 built engines, and didnt pay as much as a b-series swap.

sweet that means there is yet to be seen a timeslips in oz of a bolt on d-series turbo in the 13 sec region.

good reliability too, for someone who only races on the street. blown 3 engines, but who cares it's super cheap.

So how much for you to build a D-series for some of the boys on here. I would imagine under $800? Since a eg6 front cut is around $2500 and you've blown 3 built d-series and is still under that right.

No one is saying if you put a lot of work into a d-series it won't be fast.

[Weq]

sweet that means there is yet to be seen a timeslips in oz of a bolt on d-series turbo in the 13 sec region.

good reliability too, for someone who only races on the street. blown 3 engines, but who cares it's super cheap.

So how much for you to build a D-series for some of the boys on here. I would imagine under $800? Since a eg6 front cut is around $2500 and you've blown 3 built d-series and is still under that right.

No one is saying if you put a lot of work into a d-series it won't be fast.

I know, even in your sarcasm you proved my point.

3x set of pistons (2xcp, 1xweisco) - $1500
1x set of rods (eagle) - $400
2x blow heads (due to improper building) - $250
3x gasket kits - $400

Homejob everything else. Just like your homejob install for the b16a.

Do the math.

F*ck off with your timeslips. You have the power under your foot. Goto WSID every week and watch the b-series run 15.5 too 14.8 in 90-100kw torqueless b-series. Pa-th-f*ing-ic. i tell me friends 'hey its fast, for a NA honda..' they just laugh at me. 'but dude, its got 2 cams and vtec. very powerful per NA ltr!!' *more laughs as a stock commo run 14.5.

[JasonGilholme]

So in other words aza and sexc86 are only gonna be able to do a few runs before they need a rebuild/tune cause they've broken something??

[Sexc86]

i have been running my car for nearly 4 years and still perfect compression nothing broken (touches wood) haha also for the record run my car over 30 times at willobank

funny also how you single azz'a and myself out because we are an easy target... the guys with the showcars, nice paint and chromies... cars with alot of weight (no its not an excuse) its a fact and therefor cant be compared to the same car with a b16 but alot lighter...

Imo if there was a stock eg civic with a stock b16a you ran some times in it and then you took out the engine and replaced it with my setup or Azz's setup i believe the D's would out perform (all conditions the same).... no offense to anyone here - IMO based on research and experience

[barefootbonzai]

F*ck off with your timeslips. You have the power under your foot. Goto WSID every week and watch the b-series run 15.5 too 14.8 in 90-100kw torqueless b-series. Pa-th-f*ing-ic. i tell me friends 'hey its fast, for a NA honda..' they just laugh at me. 'but dude, its got 2 cams and vtec. very powerful per NA ltr!!' *more laughs as a stock commo run 14.5.
lol, someones getting a bit touchy. It's even funnier when one of the guys on here go turbo charge there d-series go down there and loses to that stock commodore that ran 14.5

and that's when i tell my mates, honda's are gay cause of cars like that, it's even got TURBO.

[SLOWEGG]

We'll wait for jamboree to see Aza run his 5000 turbo d setup against my 5000 b series setup, since its all about bang for the buck.

People make it like B series swopes are soo expensive..

[Sexc86]

and that's when i tell my mates, honda's are gay cause of cars like that, it's even got TURBO.

fair enough but people dont realise how many variations of engines honda have usually .. you will have a r32 with an rb20 or a s13 with a sr20, sure they might be 1 engine upgrade possibly but usually its 1 car with 1 engine... dont think people understand that isnt necesselary the case with hondas... much more paths to choose from


also duy wasnt your best time in your b16 around a 14.3? not much difference especially in a much lighter car... (please correct me if im wrong)

[90-POV]

lyle is ur d series beast gona be ready for jamboree

[fishman]

We'll wait for jamboree to see Aza run his 5000 turbo d setup against my 5000 b series setup, since its all about bang for the buck.

People make it like B series swopes are soo expensive..

sif that's gonna prove anything, timeslips don't mean nothing. just gota tell people you choppped him by 6 car lengths down the long road near your cuzins sisters house.

[Sexc86]

lyle is ur d series beast gona be ready for jamboree

mate the one i building is far off so no.... and no im not raceing at jambo with my current setup... But look ill tell everyone what it does in as is condition with the current setup.... at 14.5 with 105fwkw.... for my speific car thats a good achievement due to weight factors (and i belive it can go lower)

if no one believes me happy to post slips

I know there are b16s out there that run lower and complete hats off to them (Y) however different car different weight, if i were to put a b16 in my car it would make it go slower not faster...

[Weq]

lol, someones getting a bit touchy. It's even funnier when one of the guys on here go turbo charge there d-series go down there and loses to that stock commodore that ran 14.5

and that's when i tell my mates, honda's are gay cause of cars like that, it's even got TURBO.

Finally we agree on something.

[JasonGilholme]

however if i were to put a b16 in my car it would make it go slower not faster...

Exactly.

The b16 is suited to my car and the driving i like to do. If a D series Turbo was in my car i'd have to drive alot differently and probably not the way i'd want to.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[barefootbonzai]

Finally we agree on something.

lol so true. after all this i think we've come to the right conclusion. honda's are slow, now that's a fact.

so don't be dissapointed when your car runs a shit time, i think this is the main point i was trying to get across, lol.

[JasonGilholme]

But look ill tell everyone what it does in as is condition with the current setup.... at 14.5 with 105fwkw.

So is this the benchmark time for a basic BOLT on setup on a stock d series motor???

[destrukshn]

So is this the benchmark time for a basic BOLT on setup on a stock d series motor???
i think that was with full interior, sound system, and big wheels?
lol.

[JasonGilholme]

i think that was with full interior, sound system, and big wheels?
lol.

haha thats his fault.... i mean choice lol.

[Sexc86]

Exactly.

The b16 is suited to my car and the driving i like to do. If a D series Turbo was in my car i'd have to drive alot differently and probably not the way i'd want to.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:


yeh no worries mate i understand but this is more about

Power to Weight Ratio.... Not.... specific setup to Specific car ratio

[JasonGilholme]

well if its about power to weight why don't you post the weight of your car up then.

[Sexc86]

haha thats his fault.... i mean choice lol.



yeh i know its my choice, makes my car go a bit slower but i dont mind because i like big chrome wheels and a loud system! ... obviously if it wernt in it would to quicker times..... No im not makeing excuse



well if its about power to weight why don't you post the weight of your car up then..

lol you serious man! how am i supposed to weigh my car?

[fishman]

well if its about power to weight why don't you post the weight of your car up then.


how much does a small spaceship weigh? hahahahahah

[JasonGilholme]

how much does a small spaceship weigh? hahahahahah

...does he have a rocket engine too?? :p

Now that'd be fast!! :cool: :cool: :cool:

[destrukshn]

haha thats his fault.... i mean choice lol.
my view is.
run your car, how it's run on the st.
so got 17's, and full interior, etc.

[Sexc86]

Quote:
Originally Posted by JasonGilholme
So is this the benchmark time for a basic BOLT on setup on a stock d series motor???

i think that was with full interior, sound system, and big wheels?
lol.

Also its a 1.5 not a 1.6

[JasonGilholme]

Also its a 1.5 not a 1.6

its also got a turbo too! :p

[JasonGilholme]

my view is.
run your car, how it's run on the st.
so got 17's, and full interior, etc.

Totally agree :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

I run 14's on the street.
I run with no carpet all day everyday.
i run with my interior inon the street.
I run without a sound system on the street.

I don't work on my car for a full day just to go to the track lol

Just cause its a street car doesn't mean it has to be autosalon spec. It can be race spec. (not that mine is yet lol)

[Sexc86]

eg sedan... d15b7 (1.5 sohc)... Gestault GV1's 19s (25kgs each) Full street interior, stereo in boot - 2nd battery, 1farad capacitor, 2 x 15inch subs, 2 amps, 100L sub box made from 16mm mdf, space saver and spair tools

14.5 @99MPH and 105fwkw - im very happy

but i cant really see how my car in specific can be a bench mark for a dseries turbo...

Weq's first bolt on setup is a perfect benchmark as it was a 1.6vtec, completely stock other then engine setup

[JasonGilholme]

how much would your car weigh in total??

[destrukshn]

well 105fwkw, and a 14.5 i reckon is very good.
considering, dc2rs dead stock, pull around that time.

where this guy has 19" chromies, full sound system setup, etc, etc.

[Weq]

So is this the benchmark time for a basic BOLT on setup on a stock d series motor???

There is a full interior y4 who ran mid/low 13's on this board with street tyres. Search for his thread. Bolt-on AVO kit.

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showpost.php?p=774872&postcount=5

But it means nothing. Not all people will be as good of a driver. Power is power, if u can use it is another thing. TurboD will make even the most JDM of drivers look like pro's.

[fatboyz39]

I have driven a D series single cam vtec with a "bolt -on kit" and it'll just keep up to a dead stock type R rolling run(80km/hr). Off the mark, the Turbo D has no chance.

[JasonGilholme]

We still need to remember that at the end of the day we are comparing an NA 1.6 to a TURBO 1.6.

I'd expect the Turbo to win easily. but so far its not totally dominating as you'd expect.

Its just like comparing the B16 with the SR20. the 2 litre SHOULD smash the 1.6 but it doesn't.

my thoughts:

b16 = great NA engine fighting, and winning, in heavier weight divisions.
D16T = lots of torque, plenty of potential. I just need to see it happen. :thumbsup:

[fatboyz39]

Yes at the end of the day D16T will kill b16a in EG/EK/EM1 shell. Dunno about a b16a in a gen 2 CRX.

[Sexc86]

There is a full interior y4 who ran mid/low 13's on this board with street tyres. Search for his thread. Bolt-on AVO kit.

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showpost.php?p=774872&postcount=5

But it means nothing. Not all people will be as good of a driver. Power is power, if u can use it is another thing. TurboD will make even the most JDM of drivers look like pro's.



wholey shit thats pretty dam good!

[Weq]

I have driven a D series single cam vtec with a "bolt -on kit" and it'll just keep up to a dead stock type R rolling run(80km/hr). Off the mark, the Turbo D has no chance.

I dont get it??? this is at 8psi tuned with a shitty emanage...

http://weq.hondatech.com.au/turbo/dyno.jpg

Show me your stock type-r making that power and torque. Infact, show me your modded fully sick NA type-r making that power and torque.

Then i wind up the boost to 11-14psi and destroy u again. 9kw per/psi atw.

[JasonGilholme]

Yes at the end of the day D16T will kill b16a in EG/EK/EM1 shell. Dunno about a b16a in a gen 2 CRX.

gen 2 crx doesn't weigh that much less then a eg civic does it??

My semi weight reduced gen 3 (still has interior so its not crazy weight reduced yet) weighs less then a few crx's i met at a recent cruise.

[Sexc86]

We still need to remember that at the end of the day we are comparing an NA 1.6 to a TURBO 1.6.

I'd expect the Turbo to win easily. but so far its not totally dominating as you'd expect.

Its just like comparing the B16 with the SR20. the 2 litre SHOULD smash the 1.6 but it doesn't.

my thoughts:

b16 = great NA engine fighting, and winning, in heavier weight divisions.
D16T = lots of torque, plenty of potential. I just need to see it happen. :thumbsup:


nah mate at the end of the day this thred is about the potential of Turbo Dseries engines...

2ndly on a side note we are compareing a Turbo D16 Vs a Stock B16A
.... Not Turbo 1.6 vs N/a 1.6

3rdly i dont think a b16 in a civic (stock) would beat a sr20det powered s13... it would give up a good fight though... yes its a 1.6 vs 2l but its a 1.6 in light car vs 2l in a heavier car...


b16 = great NA engine fighting, and winning, in heavier weight divisions.
Agreed great engine PLATFORM(Y) in heavier weight divisions? explain

D16T = lots of torque, plenty of potential. I just need to see it

Agreed ... go to page 1 or page 16...

[Weq]

I have driven a D series single cam vtec with a "bolt -on kit" and it'll just keep up to a dead stock type R rolling run(80km/hr). Off the mark, the Turbo D has no chance.

http://weq.hondatech.com.au/turbo/Vid/

Type-r at 8psi.
s2000 at 11psi.

A friend of mine. Both to speed limits. Not even 3rd gear where the turbod becomes a monster. Over 4years ago now. Nothings changed but.

[JasonGilholme]

nah mate at the end of the day this thred is about the potential of Turbo Dseries engines...

yes, and in order to prove its potential you need to compare. Don't make me qoute my jewish statement from earlier lol



2ndly on a side note we are compareing a Turbo D16 Vs a Stock B16A
.... Not Turbo 1.6 vs N/a 1.6



WTF!!! Yes we are. lol

Turbo 1.6 = the d series engine + turbo
NA1.6 = the b series engine standard




3rdly i dont think a b16 in a civic (stock) would beat a sr20det powered s13... it would give up a good fight though... yes its a 1.6 vs 2l but its a 1.6 in light car vs 2l in a heavier car...



b16 equiped car vs a SSS pulsar with a SR20DE not DET

Using your example tho. it must be annoying to have a 2 litre turbo and have an NA 1.6 hot up your ass...


Agreed ... go to page 1 or page 16...

I need to see it in aus. If its got all this potential, bring it to the table.

[Sexc86]

http://weq.hondatech.com.au/turbo/Vid/

Type-r at 8psi.
s2000 at 11psi.

A friend of mine. Both to speed limits. Not even 3rd gear where the turbod becomes a monster. Over 4years ago now. Nothings changed but.



wholey shit man respect!

[ek4-guy]

ok can i address something getting back to the original statement that you can turbo a D-series engine for the same price as you could convert to a B-series engine and get better results.

Did you consider that after you swap out your D-series you have still got all that D-series gear to sell and the money gained from that could buy modds for the B-series engine thus comparing the B-series in totally stock trim would not be fair.

[destrukshn]

ok can i address something getting back to the original statement that you can turbo a D-series engine for the same price as you could convert to a B-series engine and get better results.

Did you consider that after you swap out your D-series you have still got all that D-series gear to sell and the money gained from that could buy modds for the B-series engine thus comparing the B-series in totally stock trim would not be fair.
how much could you sell, lets say a1.5 single cam no vtec, motor for? not much i reckon.
lol

[Sexc86]

man can you seriously not see the point i have made here...


Quote:
Originally Posted by Sexc86
2ndly on a side note we are compareing a Turbo D16 Vs a Stock B16A
.... Not Turbo 1.6 vs N/a 1.6


WTF!!! Yes we are. lol

Turbo 1.6 = the d series engine + turbo
NA1.6 = the b series engine standard

[fatboyz39]

Dyno figures don't mean shit....... MPH shows the power of the motor.

[JasonGilholme]

B16 = NA 1.6 and you want to compare it to a Turbo'd 1.6 litre motor. Where have i gone wrong??

[Sexc86]

Did you consider that after you swap out your D-series you have still got all that D-series gear to sell and the money gained from that could buy modds for the B-series engine thus comparing the B-series in totally stock trim would not be fair.

fair enough good point but really any dseries you be lucky getting over $500 for ... + it wont just majically turn into $50 bills as soon as you unbolt it..
also the time you loose dealing with selling it is actually lost money as time is money....

still its not a bad point you may get a bit of pocket money back once your take it out

[fatboyz39]

gen 2 crx doesn't weigh that much less then a eg civic does it??

My semi weight reduced gen 3 (still has interior so its not crazy weight reduced yet) weighs less then a few crx's i met at a recent cruise.

gen 2 crx weigh alot less then EG's. i'd say around 80-120 kg less.

[JasonGilholme]

time is money....

How so?? The car sits in the garage waiting for parts lol

its not like your running a business where you're paying someone to try and sell your motor. HAHAHA

[ek4-guy]

hahaha when we selling it its a 1.5L when we talking it up it's a 1.6L

[JasonGilholme]

gen 2 crx weigh alot less then EG's. i'd say around 80-120 kg less.

Well at the moment my gen 3 is sitting at about 940 with full tank of fuel and interior panels.

I was told by a gen 2 owner that they (a gen 2 crx) came standard with 1060 ish kilos??

[Sexc86]

gen 2 crx weigh alot less then EG's. i'd say around 80-120 kg less.


so then you have to compare a stock gen2 crx SIR vs a Stock Gen2 crx d16a8 turbo..... i dont see how a b16 can be in the clear?

[Aza]

as above about selling stuff that u take out....

i bought my y8 with 80,000km for 370$ and i sold my ld y4 for 2/5ths of **** all. like we said there cheap haha

[JasonGilholme]

so then you have to compare a stock gen2 crx SIR vs a Stock Gen2 crx d16a8 turbo..... i dont see how a b16 can be in the clear?

WRONG! You'd need to compare a Gen2 CRX D16A8 with a Gen2 CRX SIR with I/H/E because your not just throwing a snail in the bay. You're upgrading to a large exhaust and less restrictive intake system.

If honda made an "emissions compliant" manifold, exhaust and intake system for turbo D16A8 it'd be able to be directly compared to a SIR crx in standard trim.

[ek4-guy]

aza did your y8 have a gearbox, drive shafts, ecu and all the rest it didnt even come with the manifold for $370 and how mutch would you pay now for the right one

[Weq]

Dyno figures don't mean shit....... MPH shows the power of the motor.

The video backs up the ass whooping my dyno graph portrays. DynoDYnamics in shootout mode with correct tyres pressures kinda seals the deal. I think u should quite the shit talking and start showing me video's of your weaksauce muffintop b-series beating a turbo D.

Cause in the end, no matter what MPH, ET or KW turbod makes, it STILL beats your NA B.

S-I-M-P-L-E as P-I-E

[Sexc86]

Quote: Well at the moment my gen 3 is sitting at about 940 with full tank of fuel and interior panels.

- shit man you must have some big scales ! :P
- Time is money its a fact
-

quote - We still need to remember that at the end of the day we are comparing an NA 1.6 to a TURBO 1.6.

i do know what you mean but your terminology... you make it sound like Engine A vs Engine A + turbo .... not the case... This is Engine A vs Engine B + Turbo....

thats all bro i know you mean well

[fatboyz39]

so then you have to compare a stock gen2 crx SIR vs a Stock Gen2 crx d16a8 turbo..... i dont see how a b16 can be in the clear?

How can you compare this? Your pouring in at least 5k for a complete turbo setup tune and all. Put this amount of moeny towards a b16a gen 2 crx and see how it goes.;)

[mr cyanide]

hey all, i turbo'd my D series about 2 years ago, stock motor. Making about 180hp at the wheels on 9psi.
Mods are:
3" exhaust
custom turbo manifold
custom dump
stainless piping
600x300 FMIC
turbosmart supersonic BOV
Microtech MT-8
Exedy HD Clutch
RX-7 Turbo Injectors
GT28 Skyline GTR turbocharger

I beat DC5's without a problem, turbo VL's, R33's, R32's, 5L commo's, Gen3 Commo's etc..ohh. and stock b16 crx's aren't worth racing

Does that solve the arguement fellas??

[Sexc86]

WRONG! You'd need to compare a Gen2 CRX D16A8 with a Gen2 CRX SIR with I/H/E because your not just throwing a snail in the bay. You're upgrading to a large exhaust and less restrictive intake system.

If honda made an "emissions compliant" manifold, exhaust and intake system for turbo D16A8 it'd be able to be directly compared to a SIR crx in standard trim.


nah wrong mate.... thats complete off... its BUDGET vs BUDGET... not Dseries Turbo + Bseries + mods blahblahblah

the whole reason why there is such a classic argument with the turbo D vs B16 is because they are within the same budget ! Bolt on Turbo kit D vs Stock B16 (Not B16 with I/H/E)

[Weq]

aza did your y8 have a gearbox, drive shafts, ecu and all the rest it didnt even come with the manifold for $370 and how mutch would you pay now for the right one

Back in the day i bought a spare Y1 with box for $300. Straight from the engine bay of a b-series swap. I installed and turbo'd the motor in a friends car and raped the original own's newly swapped hatch... lifes a bitch, huh.

[JasonGilholme]

- shit man you must have some big scales !

I weigh my car at every event i go to on racing scales.. (motorkhana)


- Time is money its a fact

Does your car have an ABN and pay tax and collect gst or somethin??


i do know what you mean but your terminology... you make it sound like Engine A vs Engine A + turbo .... not the case... This is Engine A vs Engine B + Turbo....

They're both still 1.6 litre engines.


thats all bro i know you mean well

cute.

[froggy]

Dyno figures dont lie. I spent 3k on my first turbo-d setup, and it munched every single b/h/k that ever got in its way. Im talking street racing in a full interor car. Not a stripped out track car.

Stock d-series will run 100-103mph in full interior, bolt-on. But with 20x the torque of ur weaksauce b-series.

then your engines gonna go BLOW BLOW BLOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

[JasonGilholme]

nah wrong mate.... thats complete off... its BUDGET vs BUDGET... not Dseries Turbo + Bseries + mods blahblahblah

the whole reason why there is such a classic argument with the turbo D vs B16 is because they are within the same budget ! Bolt on Turbo kit D vs Stock B16 (Not B16 with I/H/E)

ok budget vs budget then.

stock car with b16 vs stock car with d16.

Give each person 3 or 4 grand to spend and see who can make the most out of it...

D16 person buys turbo kit and b16 person buys turbo kit.

B16 guy whoops d16 guys ass and they've both spent the same amount of money.


If you wanna compare budgets go to financial aid. We're comparing engines & performance man.

[Weq]

How can you compare this? Your pouring in at least 5k for a complete turbo setup tune and all. Put this amount of moeny towards a b16a gen 2 crx and see how it goes.;)

My first turbo setup was 3k. Tuned to 11psi.

A friend on this board who is going to remain anonymous cause he likes beating JDM ricers, has almost completed a similiar setup. 4years on, the forumula still applys. Just gotta be smart.

[Weq]

then your engines gonna go BLOW BLOW BLOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

blow-off?

I raped the shit out of my original setup. 40,000km's in one year. Just general serivcings. Never skipped a beat.

[froggy]

Sexc86 shouldnt even talk, he's got the most riced up car in the world. his turbo makes him slower cus it adds more weight....everyones talking about how they can win rolling blah blha WHO CARESS do u go to the drag strip and ask for a rolling start? i dont think so....any engine has some kind of potential.....but dont talk the D series up.....it aint that great...

[Sexc86]

How can you compare this? Your pouring in at least 5k for a complete turbo setup tune and all. Put this amount of moeny towards a b16a gen 2 crx and see how it goes.;)


incorrect! your budget for the turbo setup is too high IMO! Also i apologies wrong terminology....

need to compare 2 STOCK gen 2 crx's both with d16a8... Path A owner swaps out and converts with a Bseries.... Path B Owner spens the same amount of money on a turbo conversion.. hence more power and faster car...

however you are correct if someone with a bseries SIR were to spend the same amount of money as a turbo conversion cost on a D16a8 it would be in the clear by far..


but we ahve allready covered this earlier.... if you have a Bseries we are not saying swap it out for the D.. we are saying if you have a Dseries dont swap it out for a B over a turbo conversion... as its less value

[Weq]

The reason i blew engines was because of dodgy engine builders. Im not going to name names though.

[ek4-guy]

lol weq your a man of mystery

[Sexc86]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sexc86
- Time is money its a fact
Does your car have an ABN and pay tax and collect gst or somethin??

Doesnt matter it applys to everyone.. called life

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sexc86
i do know what you mean but your terminology... you make it sound like Engine A vs Engine A + turbo .... not the case... This is Engine A vs Engine B + Turbo....

They're both still 1.6 litre engines.

with different specs & power outputs

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sexc86
thats all bro i know you mean well

cute. hahaa ;)

[Sexc86]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sexc86
nah wrong mate.... thats complete off... its BUDGET vs BUDGET... not Dseries Turbo + Bseries + mods blahblahblah

the whole reason why there is such a classic argument with the turbo D vs B16 is because they are within the same budget ! Bolt on Turbo kit D vs Stock B16 (Not B16 with I/H/E)

ok budget vs budget then.
stock car with b16 vs stock car with d16.
Give each person 3 or 4 grand to spend and see who can make the most out of it...D16 person buys turbo kit and b16 person buys turbo kit.

B16 guy whoops d16 guys ass and they've both spent the same amount of money.
If you wanna compare budgets go to financial aid. We're comparing engines & performance man.



apologies bad terminology - read post #224

[mr cyanide]

you're forgetting lyle that there's at least 4k between the two cars bought at second hand prices these days...

[ek4-guy]

jase its more about what is the best option if your car has a d-series engine

[Sexc86]

Back in the day i bought a spare Y1 with box for $300. Straight from the engine bay of a b-series swap. I installed and turbo'd the motor in a friends car and raped the original own's newly swapped hatch... lifes a bitch, huh.



ahahaha ! awsome

[zco]

I dont get it??? this is at 8psi tuned with a shitty emanage...

http://weq.hondatech.com.au/turbo/dyno.jpg

Show me your stock type-r making that power and torque. Infact, show me your modded fully sick NA type-r making that power and torque.

Then i wind up the boost to 11-14psi and destroy u again. 9kw per/psi atw.
is this the same dyno that toda uses ? LOL

[Sexc86]

jase its more about what is the best option if your car has a d-series engine



AMEN!!!!! ONE OF THE SMARTEST POSTS IN THIS THRED SO FAR!!!

[Sexc86]

it aint a show car...its a rice car....your the type of honda ppl laugh at.....you can cruise around in your awesome shlow car that you spent fully sick amounts of money on AHAHHA no1 really cares......your like those ppl who go on australian idol who think they can sing, but are really terrible......your terrible muriel

must be a pretty nice 'RICE' Car considering i deffinately get my fair share of compliments and gratitude from all sorts of people, not to mention awards from shows....

End of the day its not about my car is it.. nope.. feel sorry for ya that smartest thing you can say is....

ohhhhhh!! but but but.... Lyles car has CHROME!!!.... yeh man

End of the day go through my post history lot better info comeing from me rather then you!... people like you should get out of here because your not doing favors for anyone on both sides

[hinezz]

so much for the potentials of d-series, this thread has gone pear shaped lol im having fun reading lol!

[Sexc86]

yeh things usually go pear shaped when you got 1 side of an argument (that arnt man enough to look outside of their views and take in some prooved infomation)... starts looseing and running out of material... so then it comes down to petty, pathetic abuse....

[mr cyanide]

b16.. 117 kw at the motor
my D16T.. about 130 kw at the wheels. lol what we argueing for?

modified D16T.. 11.6 by Andy Le (Hot 4's car) who also first boosted my car.

what we argueing for? i'll be out thursday night with cruisingbrisbane.com check it out if u like
peace..

[Sexc86]

d16 - shit
b16 - good
d16 turbo - good
b16 turbo - better
d16 turbo modified - very good according to weg
b16a turbo modified - 9 sec car

dont worry about b,h,or d
the k is the best thing happening in the honda scene at the moment
who gives a shit what setup u have
money talks bullshit walks

but talking about the states
its funny how all the fast cars are b and h series motors and now with the k coming thru
u never hear of fast d series motors over there
hmmmmm...........


hey champ... made some good points... however D16 Turbo modified - Very good according to page 1 and a few other examples some pages back...

b16 turbo modified.. not 9sec generally but still pretty good

talking about the states.... this thred is about potential of a Dseres turbo with the States cars as a reference... not saying it is better then any other path

[SLOWEGG]

Yes there will be a NA B series on the same dyno with you when the tune takes place.

[Sexc86]

man its not going anywhere because people arnt listening and wont look at results or facts and have a civil constructive convo about it... and other people post up stuff like............. "errr your wak because you have chrome rims"....

pretty mature

[barefootbonzai]

Since you did your turbo install yourself.

If you hunt hard enough...

Doin a B16 conversion yourself cost $2500. Then $2500 on top of the line bolt on goodies.

Doin a B18C SiR conversion yourself cost $3500. Then $1500 on I/H/E.

Doin a B18CR yourself cost $5000.

So any of the above is valid to race you, fair?

[90LAN]

hey champ... made some good points... however D16 Turbo modified - Very good according to page 1 and a few other examples some pages back...

b16 turbo modified.. not 9sec generally but still pretty good

talking about the states.... this thred is about potential of a Dseres turbo with the States cars as a reference... not saying it is better then any other path

lyle there are consistent 9 sec b series modifed cars running in the states dont be in denial it has being a fact for the last decade or so
first honda into the 15's bseries, 14's bseries, 13's beseries,12's beseries, 11's bseries, 10's beseries, 9's b series ............
funny how alot of 9's hondas are all b and h series
all in common with this --- B SERIES HAS THE GOODS

WHY SETTLE FOR 2ND BEST
WHEN U CAN HAVE BETTER LIKE A B OR A K
IF U CANT AFFORD IT WHY NOT SAVE UP THEN INSTEAD OF COMPRAMISING
FOR SOMETHING THAT IS INFERIOR

THE B SERIES WOULD ALWAYS BE BETTER ENGINE HANDS DOWN
IT IS A TRUE HONDA ENGINE
THAT IS WHY THERE IS THIS ARGUMENT !

[Sexc86]

i think your adding too many factors in mate...

Fair enough I agree with you if you put any of those cars up against my Civic as it is not they would all win...

however thats not what this argument has turned into.... B16series Swap budget vs Turbo Conversion of same budget as the bseries on a d16

[JasonGilholme]

jase its more about what is the best option if your car has a d-series engine

Yeah but why would you buy a car with a d series motor in the first place?? Especially if you were in the game for performance. lol

You've end up in front if you bought a b series car in the first place and then went to turbo afterwards.

If you've got a d series car you're probably better of selling it while its stock (to an unsuspecting grandma) and then buying a b series powered car and then turboing that. it'll probably only work out a few thousand more but you'll be in front by miles in the long one.

SEXC86: Amen to that. D series :thumbdwn:

[Aza]

lol everyone misses the point. in my opinon if ur tight on budget turbo what u go weather it be that have a d sitting there or a b. anyway barefoot i'll see u on the weekend anyway haha.

like i said if i were rich i wouldnt be in a d

[Sexc86]

lyle there are consistent 9 sec b series modifed cars running in the states dont be in denial it has being a fact for the last decade or so
first honda into the 15's bseries, 14's bseries, 13's beseries,12's beseries, 11's bseries, 10's beseries, 9's b series ............
funny how alot of 9's hondas are all b and h series
all in common with this --- B SERIES HAS THE GOODS

WHY SETTLE FOR 2ND BEST
WHEN U CAN HAVE BETTER LIKE A B OR A K
IF U CANT AFFORD IT WHY NOT SAVE UP THEN INSTEAD OF COMPRAMISING
FOR SOMETHING THAT IS INFERIOR

THE B SERIES WOULD ALWAYS BE BETTER ENGINE HANDS DOWN
IT IS A TRUE HONDA ENGINE
THAT IS WHY THERE IS THIS ARGUMENT !


i know man i dont disagree with you.... thred is about the potential of D16s....
Bseries are great engines.. ! and if i had one stock i wouldnt swap it out for a D

[Aza]

Ok I have been staying out of this for a few pages now as it seems it has taken a turn for the worst and gone off topic but I wanted to post this. It is pretty simple to know that compared to other Honda engines D series is the baby and yes any other turboed Honda engine would in most cases work better then a turboed D and produce better results. When I was first looking at doing the engine on my civic I had decided on a budget of 5000$. With this target in mind I went out and looked at my options and I to came down the B series vs turboed D dilemma. Now with this budget I could have easily thrown in a B series, but with this and my budget a B series just wouldn’t produce the power I was looking for (not saying B series in NA form are slow, and I know there are a lot out there running awesome times, however most of these do run stripped interiors and I just simply wish to keep my interior intacked, this is my own choice and I have nothing against people who do strip, so in saying this if I wasn’t going to strip I needed more power going by the old weight vs power rule). So for me and my budget a turboed d seemed to be the best choice. With this budget and now knowing my direction I went out and researched what I could get, I kind of realised important things to go on the turbo set up with ecu, injectors, decent exhaust, ect. Now with spending the money on these and the turbo parts to get it going my budget nearly vanished which made me conclude that I wasn’t going to have the money to do up the internals on my d series. This decision means I could not get massive power and run massive boost into my engine. Therefore limiting my engine to around 250hp atw as seems to be the limit for a stock block turboed d. now 250hp in a civic isn’t that bad at all so I wasn’t to fused with this. I don’t plan to keep this car forever but in the time I have it I want it to be as fun as possible (yes I do have fun driving a turboed d). So with the parts now figured out I went out and put it all together. With the parts I have I don’t believe I will hit the 250hp mark (gets dynoed this weekend) but as we all know we can only go as fast as we can afford, and I simply cannot afford to spend anymore money engine wise on this car. My car isnt a drag or track car. it is a daily driver that i can have fun in and occassional show. However with what I have spent I am very happy with the results I am seeing, I can defiantly see where the money has went and i am very happy i decided to go on this path, as i said this was the best hp gain i could get in the money i was willing to spend and i dont intend to upgrade the engine any further ON THIS CAR. but if i was rich i wouldnt be driving a d. as quoted from before u only go as fast as u can afford.

now this reply isnt meant to cuase arguements it is just to show others what motives people might have to do a d over another honda engine. value for money, thats all it is.

(ps i reacon it was better first time i typed it, haha my net fudged up which made me loose it had to retype)

reason why i didnt save up for a turboed b (this is inrelation to the post up above saying if u couldnt afford to turbo a b why dont u just save up for it instead of copromising)

we drive hondas not ferrari's ha im not ganna be in a honda all my life, just to enjoy it for the period i have the car

[Sexc86]

Yeah but why would you buy a car with a d series motor in the first place?? Especially if you were in the game for performance. lol

You've end up in front if you bought a b series car in the first place and then went to turbo afterwards.

If you've got a d series car you're probably better of selling it while its stock (to an unsuspecting grandma) and then buying a b series powered car and then turboing that. it'll probably only work out a few thousand more but you'll be in front by miles in the long one.

SEXC86: Amen to that. D series :thumbdwn:


good advice man but not relevent at all to this thred... dont loose your temper mate and be a bad looser... relax

[SLOWEGG]

lol everyone misses the point. in my opinon if ur tight on budget turbo what u go weather it be that have a d sitting there or a b. anyway barefoot i'll see u on the weekend anyway haha.

like i said if i were rich i wouldnt be in a d

I would disagree. IF you're on a tight budget you wouldnt want to go turbo because of the trouble and maintenence a turbo car can cause you.

[Sexc86]

I would disagree. IF you're on a tight budget you wouldnt want to go turbo because of the trouble and maintenence a turbo car can cause you.

fair enough mate, have you got any examples or experience to back that claim up....

in my experience if you look after it good fuel/oil warm up / down time... General Commen sense etc dont see why they cant be as reliable...