Syco K24 civic...

[TheSaint]

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=-Nimb9yp3Nc

the civic in this video, bout half way through, goes off its nut, it would be fun to build sumthing like this and take it too the track

what would you have to do to make it?

which motors + parts? after markets parts + tuning?

[bennjamin]

ermm.....

eg + k24 engine + $$$$$$$$$$$.
At a guess , get the EG for $XXXX and then have another $20k or more for the engine/build/misc stuff

[TheSaint]

can anyone outline the specifics? like which engine no.s and types of modification combinations?

can similar things be achieved with a b series?

sounds like it has a racing motorbike engine going hard in there lol

[EuroDude]

Its gonna be cheaper just to turbo ur existing engine.

The K24A3 is 140kw, it wouldnt be too difficult adding a turbo to a 96kw Si/VTi EG engine to bump it to 140kw..

K24 is a biatch to fit in an engine bay designed for a 1.6L, you are gonna lose some power accessories (steering and/or AC), and its gonna stick out through the bonnet.

[TheSaint]

im not gona do it...
im dam curious tho... that thing is nuts... like how do they get it to do that?

[EG5]

A stock k24a3 on EG Hatch with the right bolt on mods is pretty good enough and fun for 1/4 mile and circuit.

[Gio]

yeah k24 hits the hood..

[TheSaint]

what car does the k24 come from? would they do internal work on it?

[B16bcivic]

K24 comes forms arccord Euros. K20 comes from a ITR DC5

Integra Type R K20a Head
Accrod Euro K24 Block
K-pro Ecu
New Headers if want more power.
Exhaust system.
Radiator Etc Etc

Heres a list of what sbeen done to my b20b8, you can still use the same Brands but diff size only.

Example of how much it will cost and what parts can be used. (mines a b20b. K24 setup will be similar.)
B20 VTEC V3 Set-up

Block:
- B20b8 CRV Late model Block
- 84mm RS machine Cast ITR specs piston, New rings
- STD rods notched for ITR/GSR bearings
- Golden eagle head sutds
- ARP Rod bolts
- Micropolished Crank
- Block line honed with ITR/GSR main cap girdle
- ITR pickup and sump
- OEM seals and gaskets
- Custom breather holes made from the block to catch cans
( Total $5,500)

Head:
- Custom ported ITR 2002 B18cR Head
- Supertech valves
- Suprtech retainers
- Supertech valve srpings
- Rocket Motorsport vavle job
- Rocket M22x Camshafts
- Skunk2 Pro-series intake manifold with ported runners and opening to match T/B
- 68mm Power Professional Throttle Body
- Custom intake with Blox velocity stack filter combo
- New OEM seals and gaskets
- Toda cam gears
(Total $5,950)

Can use k24 G'box but preffer ITR more stronger and comes with LSD better for take of aswell. The pretty much bolt onto each other Now worries. ECU will need a retune as its running a 2.4ltr block.


To get it Running like all k24 you must do internal works to it.

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B20b8 V3 up for the dosh. Bargian.

[NightKids]

Why did you start going on about your B20 when we're talking about K24s???

[z3lda]

where else can he go to brag about his engine

[bigjo5]

lol GG

[teh_mechanic]

although TheSaint doesnt know anything more about k24s,he now knows that b16bcivic has has a tough as b20.sounds like a strong engine,id probably brag about that b20 too so im gonna shut up bout it.

get your chequebook out if you wanna go k24 mate.the one in the video probably did have internal work.but standard with bolt ons like exhaust, intake, ecu it goes very hard.if you get to this stage your already fighting an uphill battle for traction.

whats with all these new guys getting k24's...and here i am with atleast some knowledge and only 1.6L's of B series goodness to use it on.sad times

[rayb3na_]

im with ya bro! but replace the b with a d ;) who needs that much power!! actually i wouldnt mind but anyways....... lol

[fatboyz39]

stock k24 in a EG/EK/DC2 will go ok. Needs good headers, intake and more important ECU + tune to make the conversion worthwhile.

The mods mention above in a EK did a 13.5 in full street trims. Stock k24 with bolt ons.


A full stock k24 will see the car high 13's low 14's. SO why spend 8-10k for a conversion while a b18c type R will do similar times? plus not to mention needs to be engineered and etc.

[B16bcivic]

Bragging about my b20 is just for him to know that even my internal work wouldn't even beat that k24 which was running in the site you've put up and costed me that much.

Also an example for him to know that he can use the same brands and parts aswell. Meaning same setup.

But like teh_mechanic says its one beasty b20b so I won't mind bragging about it on here haha

[B16bcivic]

where else can he go to brag about his engine

Yeah where else where can i go and brag about it lol.

[Gio]

gosh there needs to be a brag thread already, someone make one..it will do well lol. i love that u used a crv engine hahah didnt know ppl done that.

quick question - why do ppl always do the k20 bottom end with k24 head, is it just for the vtec power?

[steve88]

they use k24 block and k20 head. k24 for the extra displacement, k20 head (type r head usually) because its much better flowing head

[Gio]

word!!!

so i got my heads and blocks mixed up ^^^

[Paul1985]

Look at my build in my sig. Im doing a K24A3 (Accord Euro engine) swap into my EG.

All up ive spent somewhere between $25 - $30k. That includes quiet a few cosmetics (exterior and interior).

It will be an internally stock K24A3 with a K20A IM, DC sports headers, K-pro and 3" exhaust.

[Paul1985]

From memory i think that EG had a K24/K20 frank.
It was quiet a while ago. I've had that vid clip on the PC for over a year.

[Gio]

can i have some money please?

[EG5]

stock k24 in a EG/EK/DC2 will go ok. Needs good headers, intake and more important ECU + tune to make the conversion worthwhile.

Agreed :thumbsup:
It goes pretty good in stock form.

Here is my simple list of mods on my K swap EG Hatch:
Stock K24A3 Accord Euro Motor + DC5R K20A gearbox , 50 degree VTC , JDMyard Intake Manifold , 80mm Throttle Body , JDMyard 4-2-1 header , 3 inch exhaust , JDM k20a flywheel + exedy clutch , Hondata Kpro , 22x8x15 M/T slicks.
138kw@wheel.
PB : 12.200 sec
109.62 mpph
1.696 60ft
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZRSfR-bz8I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uG7rv024gtY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCgBuK_vTVQ

[Paul1985]

can i have some money please?

Everyone says they cant afford it with comments like that all the time.
You know what, i'm a 3rd year apprentice motor mechanic currently. Think about the sort of wage an apprentice would earn. Im am absolutely dead broke because of this thing, i rarely buy myself anything other than car parts.

With that said, i have managed to build a K24A EG (nearly there anyway).
So if i can do it, most of you can. It all depends on how you are with your money and whether or not you would be willing to put all your hard earned money towards something like this. Most of the time people's answer is no.
My little EG means the world to me and its my project, my hobbie. It's extremely satisfying to build and work on. I also couldnt settle for a B-series. Had to go all out lol, thats just me though i guess.

Yonas' (EG5) EG is fast!

[TheSaint]

man i wish i had the time and money to build an EG

i kinda got put off after all the hard work i put into the DC2 and sum bogan pushes me off the road in a AH falcon n i spent 6months in a wheelchair and list my car =/

yonas that civic is awsome!! love the vs on the wrx and commodore... ur doing us proud mate!!!

so y doesnt the k24 go hard like that in a euro?

that b20 setup is awsome too =)

[Paul1985]

man i wish i had the time and money to build an EG

i kinda got put off after all the hard work i put into the DC2 and sum bogan pushes me off the road in a AH falcon n i spent 6months in a wheelchair and list my car =/

yonas that civic is awsome!! love the vs on the wrx and commodore... ur doing us proud mate!!!

so y doesnt the k24 go hard like that in a euro?

that b20 setup is awsome too =)

Think about the weight difference.
If a Euro was as light as an EG and had the same bolt on mods it would go just as hard.

[TheSaint]

aaahhh weight... DER i forgot

[B16bcivic]

Jw guys how what about the k20/k24 is that k20 hea dand k24 block? which one runs better k20/k24 or k24/k20? I thought only they wanted the ltrs for more torque?

Oh and yes not alot of people, only a few has done b20b engines.

[Paul1985]

Jw guys how what about the k20/k24 is that k20 hea dand k24 block? which one runs better k20/k24 or k24/k20? I thought only they wanted the ltrs for more torque?

Oh and yes not alot of people, only a few has done b20b engines.

You wouldnt do a K20A bottom end and K24A top end.
No need for a K20A head on a K24A if you get the K24A from the Euro either, the engine as a whole will be enough for your needs.

[tinkerbell]

Jw guys how what about the k20/k24 is that k20 hea dand k24 block? which one runs better k20/k24 or k24/k20? I thought only they wanted the ltrs for more torque?

Oh and yes not alot of people, only a few has done b20b engines.

teh K24 has torque

the k20 has top end

k20 head + k24 bottom end = torque + top end...

and the k24 from the Euro is better than the k24 from the CRV, due to stronger internals...

[Gio]

Everyone says they cant afford it with comments like that all the time.
You know what, i'm a 3rd year apprentice motor mechanic currently. Think about the sort of wage an apprentice would earn. Im am absolutely dead broke because of this thing, i rarely buy myself anything other than car parts.

With that said, i have managed to build a K24A EG (nearly there anyway).
So if i can do it, most of you can. It all depends on how you are with your money and whether or not you would be willing to put all your hard earned money towards something like this. Most of the time people's answer is no.
My little EG means the world to me and its my project, my hobbie. It's extremely satisfying to build and work on. I also couldnt settle for a B-series. Had to go all out lol, thats just me though i guess.

Yonas' (EG5) EG is fast!


I goto Uni + i have a gf = NO MONEY :(

[EuroDude]

k20 head + k24 bottom end = torque + top end...




But you lose reliability and engine life since the pistons are moving faster at the top end, compared to a K24 head.

[tinkerbell]

But you lose reliability and engine life since the pistons are moving faster at the top end, compared to a K24 head.

yes, "RPM" = ruins peoples motors...

[tinkerbell]

since the pistons are moving faster at the top end, compared to a K24 head.

actually, the head has nothing to do with the piston speed. so not too sure what you are getting at here?

[TheSaint]

doesnt the head control the rpm ranges and the VTEC

‘VTEC (which stands for Variable Valve Timing and Lift Electronic Control) is an electronic and mechanical system in some Honda engines that allows the engine to effectively have multiple camshafts. As the engine moves into different rpm ranges, the engine's computer can activate alternate lobes on the camshaft and change the cam's timing.’

the cams effrect the size of the valve opening which makes more air fuel which makes a better bang which in turn makes the car go faster... IE the pistons go up and down quiker

[tinkerbell]

head design/contents might "influence" rpm range,

but certainly doesnt control it - that is the job of the ECU...

[tinkerbell]

and also - since this thread is about K series, you should know that the K series have iVTEC - a more sophisticated version of VTEC...

it is one of the reasons a K has better output than a B...

[EuroDude]

I was under the impression that if you put a head that is designed for a fast revving 2.0L on a 2.4L block, the pistons would move faster at the same RPM because the pistons have to travel further down. Correct me if i'm wrong..

The K Series has the same type of VTEC as the B Series, but with the addition of VTC, which varies the CAM angle 25 degrees (or 50 degrees in the DC5R/S), which limits the fuel input at idle, and increases the fuel at high RPM

[tinkerbell]

I was under the impression that if you put a head that is designed for a fast revving 2.0L on a 2.4L block, the pistons would move faster at the same RPM because the pistons have to travel further down. Correct me if i'm wrong..

you are wrong, piston speed relates to the crankshaft, conrods and pistons, and how they spin relative to the engine block.

RPM = revolutions per minute

the crankshafts "stroke" determines how far the pistons travel for each revolution of the crankshaft...

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/engine-inline-4.gif

[tinkerbell]

The K Series has the same type of VTEC as the B Series, but with the addition of VTC, which varies the CAM angle 25 degrees (or 50 degrees in the DC5R/S), which limits the fuel input at idle, and increases the fuel at high RPM

kinda, the camshafts ONLY control air flow into and out of an engine.

the ECU is what controls the fuel (by switching the injectors open and closed).

this is how Honda explains VTC:
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7814&stc=1&d=1202447591

[TheSaint]

this is a great thread im learning alot

so the main difference between vtec and ivtec is the ECU controlling the fuel injection differently?

also, why does like say a type-r have an intense vtec crossover wher a accord doest?

[Elwood]

^Im guessing that would be attributed to the more aggressive cams and valvetrain of the Type R.

Just to clear things up, The k20 "Head" refers to the cams, valvesprings and all those bits and peices ABOVE the valves? While the K24 bottom end refers to the pistons, crank, block etc?


so the main difference between vtec and ivtec is the ECU controlling the fuel injection differently?


i-VTEC also adjusts the valve timing at lower rpm?

[Paul1985]

Just to clear things up, The k20 "Head" refers to the cams, valvesprings and all those bits and peices ABOVE the valves? While the K24 bottom end refers to the pistons, crank, block etc?


That is correct.
K24A Block, pistons, rods and most likely accessories like oil pump, alt, starter etc.

K20A head, cams, valves, valve springs, retainers etc.

[integral90]

The only worthwhile head I've seen to put on a K24A3 block, is the K20A2 out of the USDM RSX-S. It's ecu redlines it only 300rpm higher and it makes 10-15hp more at peak.