dseries turbO vs ausdm b16a?

[iwantvtec]

well i've got bout 3.5 k 2 play with. On my eg. i was wondering whether to drop a sohc 1.6l vtec engine in my eg n turbo it or go with the b16a? just gimme some feed back pros n cons on both etc. LOL i was gonna turbo my b16a in the long run, jus for the wank factor of saying VTEC TURBO~!~!~!

[SiReal]

turbo $$ > B16a $$

[tRipitaka]

turbo > b16a

power wise, and wank factor wise..

[[ricer]]

turbo > b16a

power wise, and wank factor wise..
:thumbsup:

but if you get a dodgy d16 that is on its way out and turbo it your gonna have heaps more headaches

[VT1-R]

$3.5k is not enough for Sohc vtec+turbo.. unless u wanna get a shit turbo kit.. and labour is not free.. reali reliable turbo setup requires at least $5k... and also shit happens when u turbo a car.. need spare cash.. if u dun have at least $7k in total.. dun do it... you gonna lose sleep as ur car wil be stuck at home..

Jus get b16a for now.. instead power gain from 1.5non vtec.. den turbo it as ur christmas present.. den u fly..

[B147ch]

pfft..
some peeps are running 130kw+ atw with their turbo'd d-series..
a lot of peope underestimate a d series.. heh

[B147ch]

dude, and an engine swap is cheaper??
d series engines are dirrrrt cheap
b16 swap will set u back around 6 g's anyway! i got quoted like 3.5 grand for a b16 half cut. labour etc etc your looking at that final figure.

[VT1-R]

lol... a turbo D series has more possibilities to go wrong and spend more $$ den having swapping a b16a which is straight forward..

B147ch.. go to some real honda engines sale ppl... 3.5 b16 half cut is crazy.. some ppl onli selling it for $2k+.. and 6k in total including labour.. come on.. u have been quoted a b18c jap spec price at least..

b16a swap with labour in eastern states can be done for $3.5-$4k.. i guess..

[Q_ball]

turbo > b16a

power wise, and wank factor wise..

Listen to this man!

[B147ch]

lol... a turbo D series has more possibilities to go wrong and spend more $$ den having swapping a b16a which is straight forward..

B147ch.. go to some real honda engines sale ppl... 3.5 b16 half cut is crazy.. some ppl onli selling it for $2k+.. and 6k in total including labour.. come on.. u have been quoted a b18c jap spec price at least..

b16a swap with labour in eastern states can be done for $3.5-$4k.. i guess..

dude i called up a local n he quoted me that price. it may have been a jap spec B16a but still at that price.. reason being is cos theyre rare to find nowadays. i was thinking bout swapping a B16 as well, but found it more feasable to just turbo my SOHC VTEC.. dont get me wrong, i'd love to do a swap.. but it just seems like a real headache... (ran an eg b16.. heh.. not an awful lot of difference i tells ya!)

[B147ch]

B16a half cut: $3600
LSD, gearbox, spoon vtec controller, ECU, headers, and CAI.

[Lukezen27]

$3.5k is not enough for Sohc vtec+turbo.. unless u wanna get a shit turbo kit.. and labour is not free.. reali reliable turbo setup requires at least $5k... and also shit happens when u turbo a car.. need spare cash.. if u dun have at least $7k in total.. dun do it... you gonna lose sleep as ur car wil be stuck at home..

Jus get b16a for now.. instead power gain from 1.5non vtec.. den turbo it as ur christmas present.. den u fly..

lol

Ya think!!

I'm at 160wh at the fly for just under $4000 with my Turbo D on stock exhaust, with be 173wk at the fly with bigger…

Would been even cheaper if I did all my shit first and tuned all at once..

[B147ch]

lol THANKYOU!!!
a swap aint THAT straight forward..
godddd i need turbo!
goin for some DC sports headers this weekend!
hmm perhaps i could bolt on a turbo whilst in installing the headers!! muahahaha

[Limbo]

err no. You need a turbo manifold.

Just save your money and boost it. You will love it.
It will beat pretty much most NAs, and a B series does not have the torque or power of a boosted car.

[fatboyz39]

turbo D need to get engineered to be legal. To much shit needs to get done to get a turbo D to be road legal.

Better with a b16a 1.6L, swaps can be had for around 3k-4k. A half decent turbo setup will set you back 4-5k.

[B147ch]

hmmmz true..
i'm already in love with my NA SOHC VTEC, so you can imagine how id feel once its boosted! lol
may need to rebuild tho. engines clocked 140 but been fastidiously maintained.
what ya think?

[B147ch]

i got quoted on that half cut B16a just for that is close to 4k.
swapping is a nasty job too. heh

[Lukezen27]

hmmmz true..
i'm already in love with my NA SOHC VTEC, so you can imagine how id feel once its boosted! lol
may need to rebuild tho. engines clocked 140 but been fastidiously maintained.
what ya think?

Sure be fine to boost :)


turbo D need to get engineered to be legal. To much shit needs to get done to get a turbo D to be road legal.



Jimmys right though..

engineering Turbos is a bit costly

[xtercii]

turbo D is the future mate...
apparenly running around 11psi will make you as fast as a K-swap...

[fatboyz39]

turbo D is the future mate...
apparenly running around 11psi will make you as fast as a K-swap...

lol sure is...until they blow up:p

[90LAN]

he has a gli motor so he needs to swap to a d series 1st
that will set him back 1-1.5k
then he has 2 k left over for a turbo kit
ebay ftw turbo kit
i would doubt that this d series turbo will be quick as some of u are saying
better off saving your money mate so u will have a better budget

[VT1-R]

lol

Ya think!!

I'm at 160wh at the fly for just under $4000 with my Turbo D on stock exhaust, with be 173wk at the fly with bigger…

Would been even cheaper if I did all my shit first and tuned all at once..



160hp at the fly is same as b16a at the fly.. so no issues on that.. so we prove that turbo D is as gd as b16a stock..

but for $4000 turbo.. u did most of the work urself? 4000 include tuning cost?

also.. for $7000 he nid to swap in D series SOHC vtec+labour.. put in a turbo+labour... i tink 7000 is a reasonable estimate.. in real world.. shit goes wrong.. maybe u are jus lucky..

[VT1-R]

turbo D need to get engineered to be legal. To much shit needs to get done to get a turbo D to be road legal.

Better with a b16a 1.6L, swaps can be had for around 3k-4k. A half decent turbo setup will set you back 4-5k.

Thats true... some ppl think its just so easy jus to whack on a turbo jus for that wank factor.. so much hidden cost involved.. dun do it till you have enough $$, in this case, this guy has $$3500!!!.. If going down turbo path will give him more headaches and he will have no extra $$ to solve it straightaway coz i assume he is a student...a straight B swap will give lesser problem while feeling a gd jump in power over 1.5 sohc no vtec.. Seriously, he can turbo the B series later on as well...

[Lukezen27]

160hp at the fly is same as b16a at the fly.. so no issues on that.. so we prove that turbo D is as gd as b16a stock..

but for $4000 turbo.. u did most of the work urself? 4000 include tuning cost?

also.. for $7000 he nid to swap in D series SOHC vtec+labour.. put in a turbo+labour... i tink 7000 is a reasonable estimate.. in real world.. shit goes wrong.. maybe u are jus lucky..

why are we talking about HP up in here? Talk KW so we all know where we stand

Yeah included tuning and some but not all work..

Once again for you all!!!!!!

GReddy Kit $2080 shipped for the US
$200 440cc RC injectors (on these forums)
$190 FMIC piping shipped for the US
$150 FMIC
$600 Install
$300 Tuning

Total $3330

[90LAN]

160hp =118kw

[Lukezen27]

160hp =118kw

Yeah I picked that up already and edited accordingly lol

[rawr]

i cbf reading all the posts but i got smashed by a d series turbo ek in my ek4

their probably as fast as a b18c7

[bigjo5]

dude i called up a local n he quoted me that price. it may have been a jap spec B16a but still at that price.. reason being is cos theyre rare to find nowadays. i was thinking bout swapping a B16 as well, but found it more feasable to just turbo my SOHC VTEC.. dont get me wrong, i'd love to do a swap.. but it just seems like a real headache... (ran an eg b16.. heh.. not an awful lot of difference i tells ya!)

jdm b16a isnt even rare.. and u can easily find them for 2.5k .... imo thers no use boosting any standard motor cause it just dont last unless ur hittin the internals.

[beeza]

Good point.U can always upgrade the valves etc at a later date.

[bigjo5]

Good point.U can always upgrade the valves etc at a later date.

yeah but then that'll cost more aswell

[beeza]

Not if you do the work yourself :)

[VT1-R]

why are we talking about HP up in here? Talk KW so we all know where we stand

Yeah included tuning and some but not all work..

Once again for you all!!!!!!

GReddy Kit $2080 shipped for the US
$200 440cc RC injectors (on these forums)
$190 FMIC piping shipped for the US
$150 FMIC
$600 Install
$300 Tuning

Total $3330

lol.. u are the one who posted "160wh" so i tot u said 160hp at the fly.. lol.. look at what u type b4 bro.. and ur kit comes with ECU?..

and this guy here onli has $3.5k to start with to do a swap for sohc vtec and turbo.. its proven that d series turbo is not a good choice for him.. b16a swap with 3.5k is more realistic.. unless his financials get better..

[TECBOY]

durbo LA

[NightKids]

I think VT1-R is right because with turbo'ing stuff can go wrong which = $$$

[bigjo5]

Not if you do the work yourself :)

yeah true though.. but most ppl prolly wont even touch a spanner!

[Lukezen27]

lol.. u are the one who posted "160wh" so i tot u said 160hp at the fly.. lol.. look at what u type b4 bro.. and ur kit comes with ECU?..

and this guy here onli has $3.5k to start with to do a swap for sohc vtec and turbo.. its proven that d series turbo is not a good choice for him.. b16a swap with 3.5k is more realistic.. unless his financials get better..

Yeah I kooked it lol

160kw at the fly is what I'm running on close to stock exhaust..

173kw at the fly with 2.5" exhaust

Thats far more power than even a heavily moded B16?

[T-onedc2]

Yeah I kooked it lol

160kw at the fly is what I'm running on close to stock exhaust..

173kw at the fly with 2.5" exhaust

Thats far more power than even a heavily moded B16?
You gotta compare apples with apples, a heavily modified B16 will make that much power, but add a turbo + maybe even B18C = 500+ HP done by Top Secret Japan years ago.

[defect]

theres a b16 on here for sale for 2k. probably your best option.
and get backyard 2 do the job, b16 is a straight forward conversion :>
and you wont get any headaches down the track that will cost you.

[Lukezen27]

You gotta compare apples with apples, a heavily modified B16 will make that much power, but add a turbo + maybe even B18C = 500+ HP done by Top Secret Japan years ago.

lol Yeah but don't forget to add $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[B147ch]

lol lukezen's kit means he could potentially have it running at over 180kw at the fly.. given that he does 2.5 inch exhaust lol. i dunno about you, but thats some huuge balls to me. EK's dyno in with little mods HP@ wheels: 126.2 HP - 94.1 kw.
besides.. i'd be up for $3,600 just for the b16a half cut.

[B147ch]

screw a B16.. i'd rather go all out with a K swap! heh "hello 12 seconds"..

[beeza]

Still haven't got the 2.5" exhaust Luke?... :)

[defect]

you dont read do you? i just said theres a b16 halfcut for sale for 2k.
can you stop quoting the 3.6k for a b16 already, its not that expensive and its a straight forward conversion.

its not bang for your buck power but its more reliable. :>

[B147ch]

you dont read do you? i just said theres a b16 halfcut for sale for 2k.
can you stop quoting the 3.6k for a b16 already, its not that expensive and its a straight forward conversion.

its not bang for your buck power but its more reliable. :>

location?

[Lukezen27]

Still haven't got the 2.5" exhaust Luke?... :)

Its sitting on my deck, just can't afford to install it as I'm going to Thailand in Julie for two months lol

[beeza]

Oh nice! and NICE for Thailand too! If ya need any info PM me.I've been 3 times,stayed 6 months.
I was finially reading through your thread last night.

B147ch,check out the Forsale section.I saw that one too.

[defect]

here you noob
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=88829
my neighbours halfcut@! bargain!!!!

[B147ch]

here you noob
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=88829
my neighbours halfcut@! bargain!!!!

lol IF i turbo my d series,.. ill see you on the track! lol
but 2 grand isnt bad.. tks..

[NightKids]

Why are B16s so cheap in Sydney but so expensive in MELB? I just don't understand...

[iwantvtec]

lol i can pick up a b16a in melb for 2 k =] i probably go with the b16a as this EG is my daily n i love her. And as i am student i cant afford things to go wrong. I mean at the end of the day its the case of RELIABITY vs BANG for buck. Like yer dseries turbo prob has potential to run 12's and stuff but to think of these cars wern't made to be boosted.

Oh yer LukeNz wtevr ur nick is lol sorry, ummm... are you doing any internals done to ur dseries? or is it safe to boost your dseries without any internals done? if so whats a nice safe amount boost u can run?

i was thinking 5psi?

[B147ch]

just got quoted $3,380 shipped FTW "ramhorn" turbo kit for the d series.
would also need the hondata, injectors and fuel pump.
what u think peeps?

[iwantvtec]

Wait is the ramhorn a manifold specially made for dseries?

[Lukezen27]

lol i can pick up a b16a in melb for 2 k =] i probably go with the b16a as this EG is my daily n i love her. And as i am student i cant afford things to go wrong. I mean at the end of the day its the case of RELIABITY vs BANG for buck. Like yer dseries turbo prob has potential to run 12's and stuff but to think of these cars wern't made to be boosted.

Oh yer LukeNz wtevr ur nick is lol sorry, ummm... are you doing any internals done to ur dseries? or is it safe to boost your dseries without any internals done? if so whats a nice safe amount boost u can run?

i was thinking 5psi?

Na stock standard insides :)

Yeah they safe to about 10pis

[Lukezen27]

just got quoted $3,380 shipped FTW "ramhorn" turbo kit for the d series.
would also need the hondata, injectors and fuel pump.
what u think peeps?

Don't you dare touch that shi_t

[VT1-R]

Yeah I kooked it lol

160kw at the fly is what I'm running on close to stock exhaust..

173kw at the fly with 2.5" exhaust

Thats far more power than even a heavily moded B16?


erm... 160kw at the flywheel equates to roughly 25% lost at wheels.. so u are looking at 120kw at the wheels... I think you are using a rather high reading dyno.. a heavy modded b16 can hit 120kw as well bro.. Jus real gd I/h/e IM,TB, Cams package, port polish ECU+ tuning.. etc..

Its wrong to say far more power a turbo D has over a heavy modded b16.. its just a trade off between bottom torque and top end..

and any dyno sheets to prove ur claim?

[B147ch]

erm... 160kw at the flywheel equates to roughly 25% lost at wheels.. so u are looking at 120kw at the wheels... I think you are using a rather high reading dyno.. a heavy modded b16 can hit 120kw as well bro.. Jus real gd I/h/e IM,TB, Cams package, port polish ECU+ tuning.. etc..

Its wrong to say far more power a turbo D has over a heavy modded b16.. its just a trade off between bottom torque and top end..

and any dyno sheets to prove ur claim?

heavily modded b16 is gonna cost an arm and a leg either way.
mate of mine worked his DC2 R non turbo but he was up for a shitload..
cost effective wise, im still gonna stick to a turbo d series..

[B147ch]

u also cant calculate how much power is lost once it reaches the wheels..

[tommmoe]

look, a b16 modded will be more reliable than a boosted d anyday!, plus this guy will drive it as his daily whats he after? little bit quicker d series turbo br0 or a nice b16 eg that wont give him headaches with engineering etc..

[dupac->]

b16a ftw!

[Lukezen27]

erm... 160kw at the flywheel equates to roughly 25% lost at wheels.. so u are looking at 120kw at the wheels... I think you are using a rather high reading dyno.. a heavy modded b16 can hit 120kw as well bro.. Jus real gd I/h/e IM,TB, Cams package, port polish ECU+ tuning.. etc..

Its wrong to say far more power a turbo D has over a heavy modded b16.. its just a trade off between bottom torque and top end..

and any dyno sheets to prove ur claim?

Nope mate 120kw ATW is normal for boosted D's

TODA dyno seems about right to me

Ask Adrain from TODA!!! and yes lots of sheets as I keep modding lol

Will scan in tonigh if needed

[B147ch]

just the sound of it... "turbo vtec"
has a ring to it! lol

[NightKids]

lol i can pick up a b16a in melb for 2 k =] i probably go with the b16a as this EG is my daily n i love her. And as i am student i cant afford things to go wrong. I mean at the end of the day its the case of RELIABITY vs BANG for buck. Like yer dseries turbo prob has potential to run 12's and stuff but to think of these cars wern't made to be boosted.

Oh yer LukeNz wtevr ur nick is lol sorry, ummm... are you doing any internals done to ur dseries? or is it safe to boost your dseries without any internals done? if so whats a nice safe amount boost u can run?

i was thinking 5psi?

Hey if you can find me a B16A half cut for $2000, I'll give you $300 for your troubles, how that sound? :D

[beeza]

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=88829

PM me for my bank account details :)

[B147ch]

lolz..
melbourne location..!!

[beeza]

Oh damn,OK :)

[Limbo]

har har ---> Breeza.

PM pornstar he's in Melb and maybe able to hook you up for that price.

I'll PM you my bank details also if he matches it LOL

[beeza]

hehehe :)

[tommmoe]

sorry to be unrelated, but would anyone also have a price on how much just the b16 would be on its own? just to swap out a high k b16

[Limo]

sorry to be unrelated, but would anyone also have a price on how much just the b16 would be on its own? just to swap out a high k b16

b16a long motors are ~$500-600

[90LAN]

sorry to be unrelated, but would anyone also have a price on how much just the b16 would be on its own? just to swap out a high k b16

u have a b162 motor so 1000 plus easy

[Limo]

i'd go a b16a for now, later on if you want to boost it, you'll have a very good platform to go from. if you go D series turbo for 3-4k, if you want more power, you will find you need to replace alot of parts (bigger or stronger)

also prob best to find another eg or other honda with a b16a already, saves alota hassle and sell your car.

[Limbo]

sorry to be unrelated, but would anyone also have a price on how much just the b16 would be on its own? just to swap out a high k b16


Just get a rebuild, that way you know that the engine is gonna be fresh and not another used engine with issues

[fatboyz39]

Turbo Dseries FTW! LOL

[NightKids]

har har ---> Breeza.

PM pornstar he's in Melb and maybe able to hook you up for that price.

I'll PM you my bank details also if he matches it LOL

haha nah his B16A is $2850, but I heard his good so might go with him...

[NightKids]

Just get a rebuild, that way you know that the engine is gonna be fresh and not another used engine with issues

Looked into that too, got quoted by wardwhile motors over $3000 using OEM parts. $3000 into a D-series = FTL 4sure

[VT1-R]

u also cant calculate how much power is lost once it reaches the wheels..

you can sort of guage/estimate a certain % of drive train power lost and derive at an estimate of power at the wheels bro..

Its like saying 118kw at flywheel for b16a is about 80kw atw..

[VT1-R]

Nope mate 120kw ATW is normal for boosted D's

TODA dyno seems about right to me

Ask Adrain from TODA!!! and yes lots of sheets as I keep modding lol

Will scan in tonigh if needed

I didnt say its not normal.. Its easy for boost to hit that target.. I am jus saying b16a modded can hit 120kw atw as well to the other guy that said d turbo will chop a heavy modded b16a... lol..

[beeza]

What would be a good combination for the price mods that you would do to a b16 to get to 120kw atw?
Stock they are 80kw atw as above?

[B147ch]

i know this is completely off the topic peeps,
but im looking at shipping a hondata system over here for my EG5.
wondering if anyone knew if my ecu was OBD1?

[Limbo]

I didnt say its not normal.. Its easy for boost to hit that target.. I am jus saying b16a modded can hit 120kw atw as well to the other guy that said d turbo will chop a heavy modded b16a... lol..

Not impossible but needs quite abit of mods & $$$
cheaper to boost it and hit 150kw+

[B147ch]

true that.. heh.
modding NA requires quite a bit of cashola..
mate of mine's DC2-R worked NA is a machine but at a very expensive price!

[iwantvtec]

well i just bought my b16a halfcut for 1.9 k =] but its ausdm =[

[NightKids]

That's a bargain! Hook us up if you can...

[B147ch]

oh nice one..

[beeza]

well i just bought my b16a halfcut for 1.9 k =] but its ausdm =[

How does the ausdm b16a compare to the other b16a's?

[VT1-R]

How does the ausdm b16a compare to the other b16a's?

lol.. basically the ausdm b16a has onli 118kw.. compared to jap spec b16a which has 125kw.. power diff...

the other diff i am not sure..

[EKVTIR-T]

lol.. basically the ausdm b16a has onli 118kw.. compared to jap spec b16a which has 125kw.. power diff...

the other diff i am not sure..

Since you're so knowledgeable could you explain why the jap spec makes more power?


Its like saying 118kw at flywheel for b16a is about 80kw atw..

^And by your estimate here my integra non vtec that made 80kw atw should be making about 118kw to the flywheel?Awesome!

[gReY-oNe]

turbo sucks
LMAO

[dc2dc2dc2]

far out im blind
i thought this thread said
diesel turbo vs b16a
i was gonna say
diesel turbo hands down.
lol
idiot.

[Limbo]

Drivetrain loss is all dependant on the car. ALso don't forget you have Dyno differences also.

I beleive the Jap spec b16 was slightly higher compression than the AU version. I had a comparision table somewhere but i dunno where i misplced it

[Lukezen27]

far out im blind
i thought this thread said
diesel turbo vs b16a
i was gonna say
diesel turbo hands down.
lol
idiot.

Yeah!!!!!

[iwantvtec]

lol i dont know the dif between jdm and ausdm b16's but all i know is that the b16 is bit faster. AND THE DOHC ON the rocket cover is bigger =] hehehehe

[Lukezen27]

erm... 160kw at the flywheel equates to roughly 25% lost at wheels.. so u are looking at 120kw at the wheels... I think you are using a rather high reading dyno.. a heavy modded b16 can hit 120kw as well bro.. Jus real gd I/h/e IM,TB, Cams package, port polish ECU+ tuning.. etc..

Its wrong to say far more power a turbo D has over a heavy modded b16.. its just a trade off between bottom torque and top end..

and any dyno sheets to prove ur claim?

Here's the latest dyno sheet bro
http://www.doubledynasystems.com/Car/dyno/119.4kw-05-05-2008.jpg

More info here
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=79182&page=22

[VT1-R]

Since you're so knowledgeable could you explain why the jap spec makes more power?



^And by your estimate here my integra non vtec that made 80kw atw should be making about 118kw to the flywheel?Awesome!

Lol.. I didnt say i am so knowledgeable.. I jus know that jap spec b16a makes more power than Audm b16a.. Did i mention i noe alot?

Also, the estimate about a stock b16a makes is a rough guage proven by many ppl who dyno their car.. I have a friend stock b16a who said he dyno 82kw atw stock.. So i am jus stating an example..

Nobody gives a shit about how ur shithouse non vtec got 80kw atw after u spending $10k on it..

If u are not helping this guy out, go check out the asian chick forums and wank urself out and leave this to us..

[VT1-R]

Here's the latest dyno sheet bro
http://www.doubledynasystems.com/Car/dyno/119.4kw-05-05-2008.jpg

More info here
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=79182&page=22

nice bro.. Turbo D does have good potential.. good luck.. Concentrate on internals for longevity and reliablity..

[iwantvtec]

IN THE END there are 3 issues CHEAP, POWER, Reliability.

Chooose 2 (example cheap power) the third is gonna be the issue (the reliability).

[EKVTIR-T]

Also, the estimate about a stock b16a makes is a rough guage proven by many ppl who dyno their car.. I have a friend stock b16a who said he dyno 82kw atw stock.. So i am jus stating an example..

Nobody gives a shit about how ur shithouse non vtec got 80kw atw after u spending $10k on it..

10k?Buddy that was stock ;)
My point is,as i've noticed over time,you go round posting incorrect bs misleading others who don't know better..
No need to get upset lol

[iwantvtec]

10k? i dnt think it would of cost that much, because da9's have the b18a engine? lol there cheap to mod + fun. HEAPS OF GOODIES FOR them. Mate had 1.

[outatime]

get b16. go n/a for a few months and then turbo it when u get the cash again.

a turboed b16 will eat the d16 turbo alive.

[fatboyz39]

nah bro turbo d series FTW... i heard it will eat a K-series for breakfeast

[VT1-R]

10k?Buddy that was stock ;)
My point is,as i've noticed over time,you go round posting incorrect bs misleading others who don't know better..
No need to get upset lol

lol.. what bullshit have i posted? by saying jap spec b16a is faster than Audm b16a?

Is estimating a fact that a stock b16a makes about 80+kw at the wheels wrong?

If i am in the wrong i admit, but for u to lash out like a dick at me for just trying to help, thats not cool.. lol..

Example of a b16a civic dyno result with only an intake shows 92kw(124hp) atw.. So stock unmodded, b16a with a dyno should make mid-high 80kw atw.. What i say may not be 100% correct, its not bullshit at least..

http://www.dohc-vtec.net/pages/linked/civic-gets-exhausted.htm

[outatime]

nah bro turbo d series FTW... i heard it will eat a K-series for breakfeast

LOL. don't u have a b series engine?

[fatboyz39]

yeh dude.. Turbo D are the shizzle

[iwantvtec]

i think he's being sarcastic.

[beeza]

yeh dude.. Turbo D are the shizzle

Hey,it's great to see you've come around Fatboy!

[iwantvtec]

so whats a safe psi to boost ur d series? without any internals done.?

[beeza]

10 psi :)

[xtercii]

10psi in vtec D will easily munch a mildly modified b18c7.

[fatboyz39]

Hey,it's great to see you've come around Fatboy!

who said i am....i've seen one in action(racing) and driven a d16y8 turbbbbbbbbbboooo..... Nothing special.

[beeza]

hehe I know your a b-boy :)

[barefootbonzai]

shit dam this is a long thread.

I can't believe y anyone is even arguing for.

TURBO-D-SERIES is the FUTURE! MAX POWER and MAX STREET CREED!

/thread

[iwantvtec]

who me bboy? lol yer..

[beeza]

So true Barefoot.Just look at how cheap d-series stuff is.You just have to learn how to fix stuff and you can keep a d Turbo going and going on the cheap ftw!

What d-series VTec engine would you guys recommend for a Turbo setup?

[Lukezen27]

So true Barefoot.Just look at how cheap d-series stuff is.You just have to learn how to fix stuff and you can keep a d Turbo going and going on the cheap ftw!

What d-series VTec engine would you guys recommend for a Turbo setup?

I'm lost

are we now talking for real or just been stupid noobs?

[fatboyz39]

So true Barefoot.Just look at how cheap d-series stuff is.You just have to learn how to fix stuff and you can keep a d Turbo going and going on the cheap ftw!

What d-series VTec engine would you guys recommend for a Turbo setup?

slap a GT40!! woohoooooooooooooo.....will make crazy power.

[beeza]

I was joking b4 but my last post was serious.I've never driven a b-series engine but I love the d and a d Turbo would just be mad fun haven't driven one either but I was a member on d-series.org and for a year I read thier stories about the Turbo d.My d16y4 just loves to be wound out to the 6.5k rev limiter,increase the power and rev limiter = PHOOOOOOAARRRRR Yeh :)

Wouldn't there be a fair bit of lag on such a big turbo though? I would ultimately want the car to be very responsive and fun.Big high end power would be cool but I just wouldn't get to use it often and I would be tempted to use it where I shouldn't be...

If you P&P and 3 angle valve job etc etc on the head would that sacrifice low end power for top end?

[scyt7e]

lol @ this thread, so many arguments at the end of the day, we can all quote numbers and figures lol just bring it to the strip!!!! im interested to see how the d's do on the 1/4 in australia anyway dont quote the americans :wave: :thumbsup:

[beeza]

I started a new thread with my questions above:
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1668933#post1668933

Cheers guys.

[iwantvtec]

getting my b16a installed 2morrow i cant wait!~!~!~

[Benson]

getting my b16a installed 2morrow i cant wait!~!~!~

:thumbsup: Good choice buddy

Ill pump 20psi into a stock D-series!

[iwantvtec]

lol... d series ftw!~!~

[Lukezen27]

I've driven a few B16's and they didn't feel much better then my D16 stock lol

I know a few people dispointed with there swaps... but oneced turboed they love me heheh

[B147ch]

yeah i ran a couple of B16's..
after each run they used the excuse that their vtec is ****ed!! bahahaha

[iwantvtec]

maybe it wasn't tuned...

[EKVTIR-T]

I've driven a few B16's and they didn't feel much better then my D16 stock lol

You need to drive a few more by the sounds of it.
The b16 isn't that amazing but comparing to d series both na its no comparison.

[Limbo]

i've never seen a NA D16 beat a na B16 that's for sure.
i've seen some b16s beat some b18s though

[fatboyz39]

i've never seen a NA D16 beat a na B16 that's for sure.
i've seen some b16s beat some b18s though

its called driver.

[EKVTIR-T]

ye fat one and skinny one lol

[Lukezen27]

i've never seen a NA D16 beat a na B16 that's for sure.
i've seen some b16s beat some b18s though

Not saying they beat em just they didn't feel much better!

[iwantvtec]

yer dat was wat i was gonna say, i drove my mates dseries sohc vti eg, and i drove my mates si eg, the si dohc nonvtec had way more torque i believe.

[Fo55il]

d feel of vtec and the feel of vtec + turbo is 2 different things.
no doubt if i had the cash i would go b16+turbo but unfortunately im POOR.

Seems like ur on a tight budget, go for the boost.

or u could go for d b series + extra cash from whereever. You can then pay off the cash u borrowed over time and then boost your b series.

or u could have more fun with your d series and save up money for your b later on.

obviosly everyone on here has their own opinions. n personally at the end whoe opinion u going to follow? sum guy who thinks that d series r the best and u should boost it. or sum guy who hasa b and thinks that d-turbos are for try hards and wankers? If sum1 has a b, they gon think the b is better, cause if they thaught the d was better theyd get a d. and the chances of dat is pretty low.
where as sum1 wid a d, usually cant afford a b so they boost their d and go faster than the b.

thats what i did n im luving it.

so what do u wanna do? go faster than a b? or dun want "ppl" to think your a try hard n get a b and be slower than the d turbos, which u could have had? lol

i think the answer is obvious.

OR get a b and save up for sum boost. short term or long term? up2 u

[Fo55il]

and as far as it goes with your budget, pay me 3.5k n ill hook your car up lol. 3.5k is plenty to boost your d.

[Lukezen27]

and as far as it goes with your budget, pay me 3.5k n ill hook your car up lol. 3.5k is plenty to boost your d.
That's about what I paid :thumbsup:

Fo55il

Ya go boosted in the end hay?

Nice one, what kit did you end up going for and what power are you making?

[iwantvtec]

nah i bought my b16a alrdy getting back on fri... im probably gonna drive my b16a till i get off my p's save up for turbs, whilst doing my sussy and handling. I may be thinking to upgrade to a b20/turbs in near future...

[B147ch]

lol i'd gladly take any EK to the track with my d series..
true there are more parts out there for b series, but once i boost my d, you'd best be running for the hills!! mehehe

[iwantvtec]

if i boosted my b16a/ comparing apples with apples, i think that'd be the same with your d series too. You just cant compare a turb car with a NA car..

[Limbo]

if i boosted my b16a/ comparing apples with apples, i think that'd be the same with your d series too. You just cant compare a turb car with a NA car..

yup
NA to NA
turbo to turbo
Its unfair to test it otherwise

[B147ch]

lolz ok..
looked at a peakboost kit for the d series..
standard kit can pull up to 450WHP..
ridiculously quick..

yes well i wouldnt waste time running an NA B16 if my d is boosted would i?

[joey99]

what can I expect for 3.5k ? what sort of power and is it a DIY kit ?

[Fo55il]

3.5k = greddy bolt on + cooler n piping + injectors + installation
im waiting on my injectors atm tho then a tune. all set

But if u wan compare apples wid apples. compare 3.5k to 3.5k
d series on boost compared to a b series half cut lying in your garage. ?

lol

[iwantvtec]

personally if i was gonna turb my car, i wouldn't trust a "DIY" thats just imo. I think i would be going all out, bout like 6 k for jus a kit...

you get what you pay for...

[Fo55il]

omg - go back n read lukenz posts. !!!
on prices and read mine too.

what diy u talkin bout? greddy bolton + installation. no DIY

[iwantvtec]

But if u wan compare apples wid apples. compare 3.5k to 3.5k
d series on boost compared to a b series half cut lying in your garage. ?

lol

lol i dont think i paid that much for my b16a w/ jdm block only 1.8 k. lol if u paid 3.5k. consider yourself paying bit too much. hate all this talk bout b16a cost this much lol. Know right people and it wont cost "that" much.

[iwantvtec]

oh yer i jus drove my mates turbo ej8. The torqueness is totally different compared to a bseries. I admit his ej8 had big balls. But its totally different to NA.

[Fo55il]

lol i dont think i paid that much for my b16a w/ jdm block only 1.8 k. lol if u paid 3.5k. consider yourself paying bit too much. hate all this talk bout b16a cost this much lol. Know right people and it wont cost "that" much.

oh ok -
not too sure how much they r,
apart from that. not everyone knows the right ppl.

[VT1-R]

lolz ok..
looked at a peakboost kit for the d series..
standard kit can pull up to 450WHP..
ridiculously quick..

yes well i wouldnt waste time running an NA B16 if my d is boosted would i?

Erm.. built that 450whp 1st then come back and laugh at N/A B16 k..

Before that, dun say B16 is shit.. A heavily modded EG B16a can run low to mid 13s k.. Its respectable.. Not a waste of time..

[iwantvtec]

Erm.. built that 450whp 1st then come back and laugh at N/A B16 k..

Before that, dun say B16 is shit.. A heavily modded EG B16a can run low to mid 13s k.. Its respectable.. Not a waste of time..
F**K yer go b16's, nah like its not the power house sh*t like a dseries turb, like i have heaps of respect for a dseries, coz f*k they quick man. but you can't say the b16 n/a is a hunka junk. For what it is a 1.6 l, far out i've seen it give some 180's and s13's (sr20de's some times turbs and ca18dets) a good
go.....

[VT1-R]

F**K yer go b16's, nah like its not the power house sh*t like a dseries turb, like i have heaps of respect for a dseries, coz f*k they quick man. but you can't say the b16 n/a is a hunka junk. For what it is a 1.6 l, far out i've seen it give some 180's and s13's (sr20de's some times turbs and ca18dets) a good
go.....

Also, i would respect a person if he has a 450whp D series turbo ride in his garage more than one who talks about it and starts putting other engines down as if he has been there done tat..lol..

[fatboyz39]

Erm.. built that 450whp 1st then come back and laugh at N/A B16 k..

Before that, dun say B16 is shit.. A heavily modded EG B16a can run low to mid 13s k.. Its respectable.. Not a waste of time..

can be achievable. We ran 13.9 with a average b16a +ITR CAMS, had the usual I/H/E ecu and tune. With some crazy head work and slicks those times can be achievable.

[iwantvtec]

lol YER never underestimate a 1.6 B!

[Lukezen27]

You know I loved my SOHC VTec even before it was boosted..

For a 1000kg car 96kw can still be fun IMO

[Fo55il]

lol its obvious that a
b > d
but $ wise d > b

[iwantvtec]

yer b's arn't the cheapest cup of tea.

[kraiye]

good choice if u'r on ur P's. why boost the D if u cant drive it?
& wen u finally get ur B boosted u WILL have a big-ass smile on ya face!!

[iwantvtec]

good choice if u'r on ur P's. why boost the D if u cant drive it?
& wen u finally get ur B boosted u WILL have a big-ass smile on ya face!!

i like how this guy thinks, think practical =]

[kraiye]

btw, now u got vtec, u'll have to change ur name :p

[VT1-R]

btw, now u got vtec, u'll have to change ur name :p

Change it to "Ihavevtec"..lol..

[Limo]

yer b's arn't the cheapest cup of tea.

your damn right! also if your going to boost the b, i wouldnt bother getting a b18/20 block, just keep the b16 cos you'll get enough torque from the turbo.

btw whos doing the conversion for you?

[iwantvtec]

andy GEEE!