***K24Z1 project teaser***

[Crapdaz]

y r ppl in this place so firey?
u obviously dont read ppl's whole posts or u wouldn't have missed the ":p j/k" at the end.
it was a JOKE!
mods with humour = the shiznit! :thumbsup:
after all... mods are ppl too u know!

and fyi, this is prob my FIRST time in the Accord section.

HAND :)
heheh to be exact the Accord Euro section. :thumbsup: hehe taking the piss outta you.

[EUR003act]

Eagerly awaiting your vid.

ok, well im gonna have to get the car back up on jacks again, the exhaust is vibrating off the cars heat shield just behind the middle muffler, makes really annoying sound...

verdict so far: exhaust sounds extremely low deep and sexy at idle... when revving that changes to more of a raspy typical 4cyl sound... but under WOT it definately sounds nice... kinda does a little back crackle when backing off from 4000rpm, but that may only be while the ecu getting used to it... i dont know whether its the exhaust or the fact i sound deadened my entire boot, but cruising still sounds completely stock inside :) :thumbsup:

anyway, heres the video, not awesome quality, but u kinda get the idea

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5eTtpJ8fIE

[Crapdaz]

maybe its backfiring Nice though.

rofl, sound deadening prob the reason, just curious why you sound deaden the boot? do you have a sub?

[EUR003act]

maybe its backfiring Nice though.

rofl, sound deadening prob the reason, just curious why you sound deaden the boot? do you have a sub?

yeah i got two :p lol but also i dont like drone... i do trip around a bit in my euro.... would hate to do canberra to brisbane with drone!

lol to it for a drive tonight... im actually really liking it, sounds alot better when driving.... ive pin pointed where the vibration is, so ill fix that up soon... sitting on 80km/hr in 6th gear its the nicest low deep rumble... but either drop down to 5th or do 90... and you cant hear a thing, its like its stock! :D

cant wait till i get my 3" intake installed tho :thumbsup: lol ill try get cabin recordings some time soon, i need a new way of recording videos, the camera im using only records down to 100-120hz... well above the low deep grumble of idle note :(

[Crapdaz]

yeah i got two :p lol but also i dont like drone... i do trip around a bit in my euro.... would hate to do canberra to brisbane with drone!

lol to it for a drive tonight... im actually really liking it, sounds alot better when driving.... ive pin pointed where the vibration is, so ill fix that up soon... sitting on 80km/hr in 6th gear its the nicest low deep rumble... but either drop down to 5th or do 90... and you cant hear a thing, its like its stock! :D

cant wait till i get my 3" intake installed tho :thumbsup: lol ill try get cabin recordings some time soon, i need a new way of recording videos, the camera im using only records down to 100-120hz... well above the low deep grumble of idle note :(

nice mate,
hopefully when the ECU fully adjusts to the exhaust it won't be as droney.

sometimes i am glad my 5zigen is piss quiet but nice when revving. --> compared to loud but nice deep tone idle buddyclub.

[aaronng]

cant wait till i get my 3" intake installed tho :thumbsup: lol ill try get cabin recordings some time soon, i need a new way of recording videos, the camera im using only records down to 100-120hz... well above the low deep grumble of idle note :(
Most video cameras have the capability to plug in an external mic. Does yours have that?

[EUR003act]

Most video cameras have the capability to plug in an external mic. Does yours have that?

its not video camera... its a cheap 3mp fuji camera using the inbuilt "video" function lol :(

[tony1234]

Haha Justin your tuner must love you,there once a week.lol

[EUR003act]

F*******CK!

lol whoever said awhile back that the cooling system is different... and i said its not? lol well it is, im desperately trying to get my hands on a K20 water outlet connection, as it is a completely diff part to the K24s :( lol

damnit! plus i just realsied ill have to mod my RBC manifold to fit onto a K20 head with the seperate water outlet... means pulling out the angle grinder and doing some cutting!

why does there have to be soooo much work involved! :eek:

[Suntzu]

Told you. I read it on k20org. Bugger.

[kazam]

ust went thru 22 pages... wow... your a freak...

[aaronng]

F*******CK!

lol whoever said awhile back that the cooling system is different... and i said its not? lol well it is, im desperately trying to get my hands on a K20 water outlet connection, as it is a completely diff part to the K24s :( lol

damnit! plus i just realsied ill have to mod my RBC manifold to fit onto a K20 head with the seperate water outlet... means pulling out the angle grinder and doing some cutting!

why does there have to be soooo much work involved! :eek:

Yeah, if I were you, pick up a k20a manifold instead of grinding down your RBC. I'm sure you can make up the price of the k20A manifold and a little extra by selling the RBC.

[EUR003act]

Yeah, if I were you, pick up a k20a manifold instead of grinding down your RBC. I'm sure you can make up the price of the k20A manifold and a little extra by selling the RBC.

lol nah this cars gonna be unique :) lol RBC FTW!

i just finished modifying my second P2R IM thermal gasket from JDMyard to fit the K20 head... and yes i know they sell them for it, but i didnt realise that when i ordered it lol i keep thinking that the K20 is the same as the K24 head lol

[Euro08Jaz]

lol he cant get over having the first RBC, props 2 you man i respect the commitment.

[EUR003act]

ok... so got some better pics of the head today... here are some non blurry close ups :)

INTAKE:
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/DSCF2265Large.jpg

EXHAUST:
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/DSCF2267Large.jpg

DECK:
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/DSCF2270Large.jpg

THE SECRET IS OUT:
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/DSCF2273Medium.jpg

[Bobjones]

Well if those port figures are anything to go by then this thing will flow nicely with the right headers and intake, combined with a decent set of cams and a raise in the redline it will scream along!!!

[felixd]

woah this is so nice man im sure this can take up to high rpm :D cant wait till u finish ur project :O !!!!! the 1st euro 2.4l with high rpm

[EUR003act]

woah this is so nice man im sure this can take up to high rpm :D cant wait till u finish ur project :O !!!!! the 1st euro 2.4l with high rpm

lol nah mine will be staying at stock 7400rpm rev limit... i dont want to kill my engine lol

besides, i think theres a certain melbourne based euro thats revved to 8000rpm a few times... ;) no names mentioned hehe

[Crapdaz]

roflmao!
would be nice to though but yeh too harsh for the euro.
unless we had the K20a engine

[kitbkk]

^i think i could guess..lol

[EuroAccord13]

Justin... SHHHHUUUSH!!!!!

[Euro08Jaz]

Justin... SHHHHUUUSH!!!!!

hey what ever happened to you development in progress?

[snYpz]

Wow awesome! Keep us updated man...how long to go before all parts are installed?

More pics of the headlights with blacked out housing lol...really keen to see how it looks (seen the other pics that was uploaded) :)

[EUR003act]

LATEST UPDATE!

Aaronng you will be happy :)

the J32A3 throttle body definately runs on the K24A3... it has required a few mods to do (nothing electrical, just physical)... but it works, hooked it up before, cold idle sat about 1900rpm, warm idle sat at 1100rpm... obviously needs to be recalibrated... throttle control was good, not jumping or over sensitive... :D

[aaronng]

Nice!!!!! Will you be selling your modified spares? heheehehe.

Does the stock intake arm still fit over the J32 TB?

[EUR003act]

Nice!!!!! Will you be selling your modified spares? heheehehe.

Does the stock intake arm still fit over the J32 TB?

ill try that tonight... i fitted my 2.5" K&N over it, so you might be able to do it :D

yeah, ive ordered 3x J32A3 throttle bodies, and after ive modded them to suit, ill prob sell 1 or 2, keep the others for a complete intake system..

[aaronng]

ill try that tonight... i fitted my 2.5" K&N over it, so you might be able to do it :D

yeah, ive ordered 3x J32A3 throttle bodies, and after ive modded them to suit, ill prob sell 1 or 2, keep the others for a complete intake system..
PM me your price for 1 of the TBs. hehehehe :)
Does it bolt straight onto the RBB instake manifold too?

[EUR003act]

PM me your price for 1 of the TBs. hehehehe :)
Does it bolt straight onto the RBB instake manifold too?

ok i tried it with the stock intake piping... no go :( just wont squeeze over the inlet pipe...

as for being direct bolt on, yes, but! the idle bypass cutout needs to be blocked off somehow, im getting mine welded up, you could probably use a custom made gasket, all i did to try it out was cover it with gaffa tape :p lol

[EUR003act]

MORE PICTURES!

P2R throttle body spacer bored out to 66mm :D
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/DSCF2287Medium.jpg

66mm spacer vs. stock 60mm plenum inlet
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/DSCF2281Medium.jpg

J32A3 TB (left) vs. K24A3 TB (right)
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/DSCF2289Medium.jpg

Backside of the two TBs *NOTE on the K24A3 TB you can see where it blanks out the idle bypass cutout...
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/DSCF2294Medium.jpg

[Nepolian]

Was the size difference between the J32A3 and the K24A3?

[EUR003act]

Was the size difference between the J32A3 and the K24A3?

J32A3 = 64mm

K24A3 = 60mm

but my J32A3 has ported inlet and outlets, i kinda copied off the spoon TB desgin

[aaronng]

Hmmm... Now I feel like going for the FD2R throttle body.... Would you be able to source a used one? hehhe.

[EUR003act]

Hmmm... Now I feel like going for the FD2R throttle body.... Would you be able to source a used one? hehhe.

i havent seen close up pics of one (so not sure on its design, my guess is very similar to the K24A3 DBW TB...) meaning it should bolt straight on... i know that theyre 64mm but i think the FD2R uses a RSP intake manifold? which doesnt have the idle bypass, meaning i dont know if the TB would have blanking plate for it or not? im still trying to find pics of it! lol heres the part # GMD1A, but they are very rare... saw one a couple months back for USD$350...

which is why i went for J32A3...

[aaronng]

Wow, how much was the J32 TB instead? Maybe I should try to source a 2006-2008 TSX intake arm as those have a slightly larger diameter.

[EUR003act]

Wow, how much was the J32 TB instead? Maybe I should try to source a 2006-2008 TSX intake arm as those have a slightly larger diameter.

J32s go for around USD$100-150

yeah itd prob fit... or if u just made a custom pipe?

[aaronng]

J32s go for around USD$100-150

yeah itd prob fit... or if u just made a custom pipe?

I prefer a stock look. Hmm, time to check ebay. From the pics, the K24A3 TB has that idle bypass, but the gasket blanks it out, is that right? Would that mean that I would just need to find a similar gasket for the J32A3 TB which does the same thing by blocking the idle bypass?

Crap, nothing from ebay. Does your contact have any 06+ intake arms in stock?

[felixd]

wad is the benefit on this TB if put in RBB intake manifold will it be more responsive n how much kw approx can be made ? with this mod just having I/H/E mods

[aaronng]

wad is the benefit on this TB if put in RBB intake manifold will it be more responsive n how much kw approx can be made ? with this mod just having I/H/E mods

How long is a piece of string? You'll have to put it on your car and dyno a before and after.

[EUR003act]

on the K24A3 TB, underneath the main inlet theres an extra flat piece of aluminium, even tho there is a rectangular cutout in the gasket, when pressed up against the RBB, this blocks the idle bypass... on the J32A3 however, youll notice there is no flat aluminium continuation under the inlet... so when using the normal gasket (or J32A3 gasket) on the RBB or RBC, the idle bypass will have a leak....

ill send him an email and check, im not sure if he has any '06 tsxs in atm... (he normally just deals with engines only)

[Euro08Jaz]

How long is a piece of string? You'll have to put it on your car and dyno a before and after.

lol hopefully my euro gets to be that piece of string

[aaronng]

on the K24A3 TB, underneath the main inlet theres an extra flat piece of aluminium, even tho there is a rectangular cutout in the gasket, when pressed up against the RBB, this blocks the idle bypass... on the J32A3 however, youll notice there is no flat aluminium continuation under the inlet... so when using the normal gasket (or J32A3 gasket) on the RBB or RBC, the idle bypass will have a leak....

ill send him an email and check, im not sure if he has any '06 tsxs in atm... (he normally just deals with engines only)
Ahh, I see. Thanks for the explanation. Now I understand which part it is. What is the solution to this short of either using the RBC manifold or using an adaptor plate to block up the bypass?

[EUR003act]

Ahh, I see. Thanks for the explanation. Now I understand which part it is. What is the solution to this short of either using the RBC manifold or using an adaptor plate to block up the bypass?

well even on the RBC there is an idle bypass... so on mine im just welding it up... the simple solution tho as you say, would be a gasket or blanking plate :thumbsup: or, there is an intake manifold that bolts directly to the K24A3 block, that does not have an idle bypass... AND it makes more power than thr RBC :eek: buy one aaronng!

[Suntzu]

Wow better intake than RBC? What is it? Do tell?

This modding is getting more exciting by the day.

need more updates!:wave:

[EUR003act]

hehehe not sure if it goes aswell top end... but definately more torque mid range... its called the RRC (or RSP) and is off the FN2R

heres a pic of its "chamber of torque" lol
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/1296/dscn1214mediumop5.jpg

[johnprocter]

LOL fkn hell man i cant wait till you install all this shiz

[aaronng]

hehehe not sure if it goes aswell top end... but definately more torque mid range... its called the RRC (or RSP) and is off the FN2R

heres a pic of its "chamber of torque" lol
[IMG]http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/1296/dscn1214mediumop5.jpg[IMG]

Haha nice! I can't imagine the MAP sensor going "what the" when you first put on the RBC and then going "WTF!!?!?!?" after you put the RRC on.

Looks like I am going to have to wait for your hand-me-downs :p

[Suntzu]

So maybe this RRC will be viable if straight bolt on 64mm throttlebody can be sourced.

or maybe you can just bolt up the RRC and FNR2 64mm TB as one unit no mods to the K24!

[aaronng]

So maybe this RRC will be viable if straight bolt on 64mm throttlebody can be sourced.

or maybe you can just bolt up the RRC and FNR2 64mm TB as one unit no mods to the K24!

Yeah, was thinking about that since the FN2R has an electronic throttle too. Just need to check that teh Euro's ECU is able to operate it. It should since it can run the J32A TB.

[EUR003act]

Haha nice! I can't imagine the MAP sensor going "what the" when you first put on the RBC and then going "WTF!!?!?!?" after you put the RRC on.

Looks like I am going to have to wait for your hand-me-downs :p


lol you shouldnt seen my engine when i first started it with the J32A3 TB on it lol car was like "holy sh*t so much air!"

lol yeah i think i ordered too many parts lol :p


So maybe this RRC will be viable if straight bolt on 64mm throttlebody can be sourced.

or maybe you can just bolt up the RRC and FNR2 64mm TB as one unit no mods to the K24!

RRC manifold is PERFECT for J32A3 TB, becuase the RRC does not have an idle bypass, so they will mate perfectly with no holes :thumbsup:

im trying to weigh up now whether to stay with RBC or try an RRC... decisions decisions...

[Euro08Jaz]

both the euro type r and civic have k20 right? how great would the difference of each intake manifold be? would the tb diameter be a good simple mans indicator?

i understand that there are differences between both the k20's used in the civic and euro such as the civic (jdm) making greater power at higher rpms.

so we cant use a euro type r throttle body due to it not being compatible with our electronic throttle where as the civic type r is?

[aaronng]

RRC manifold is PERFECT for J32A3 TB, becuase the RRC does not have an idle bypass, so they will mate perfectly with no holes :thumbsup:

im trying to weigh up now whether to stay with RBC or try an RRC... decisions decisions...
Choose one and I'll take the remaining choice. hahaha

[Euro08Jaz]

lol is that easy? so you dont think theres enough difference for it 2 matter?

[Suntzu]

Wow. The RRC sounds good. Wonder how it will dyno.

Question is?: Can you even buy this RRC yet?

[ig3o]

i eny u lol.. ur euros gonna be crazy

[EUR003act]

both the euro type r and civic have k20 right? how great would the difference of each intake manifold be? would the tb diameter be a good simple mans indicator?

i understand that there are differences between both the k20's used in the civic and euro such as the civic (jdm) making greater power at higher rpms.

so we cant use a euro type r throttle body due to it not being compatible with our electronic throttle where as the civic type r is?

CL7 euroR uses JDM K20A spec R engine...
Makes 162kw at 8,000rpm
and 206nm torque at 7,000rpm
cabled 62mm throttle body

FN2R CTR uses JDM K20A spec R and makes...
165kw at 8,000rpm
and 215nm torque at 6,100rpm
electronic 64mm throttle body

my guess is that the peak power increase is due to the intake/exhaust ports being polished (same process used on the NSX), and that the extra torque (lower down in the rev range too :thumbsup:) is due to the RRC manifold design...


Wow. The RRC sounds good. Wonder how it will dyno.

Question is?: Can you even buy this RRC yet?

i cant source any atm :( saw one in an old sale thread from a few months ago go for USD$620... alot to pay for the possible extra torque! if i could find one for a good price, id definately give it a go... but i still might have something up my sleeve lol

[vte18c]

So what are you hoping for at the wheels when it's all built and tuned mate?

[EUR003act]

So what are you hoping for at the wheels when it's all built and tuned mate?

lol im not tuning it... :D

i dont wanna guess numbers, because i dont want to let people down if i dont make them, and because im not tuning, i dont even know if its going to work... all ill say is, guys running similar mods and setup to this, once tuned get anywhere between 200-240hp atw...

[johnprocter]

how much is that in kw's?

[EUR003act]

how much is that in kw's?

150-180kws

[johnprocter]

niceeee

[fatboyz39]

200-240HP US dyno? thats around 140-160kw atw AUS

[johnprocter]

still very impressive for a euro

[aaronng]

200-240HP US dyno? thats around 140-160kw atw AUS
He's located in Aus... would that be considered a US dyno? 160kW is still subtantial for an Euro with stock ECU.

[EUR003act]

hehehe data logger (a/f ratio) installed today, logged files will be up soon :D

oh and i do believe i hit 10,000+ views :p lol

[Suntzu]

So the new heads not on yet but you have the Af gauge hooked up in preparation.

I was looking at k20a.org and theres some fantastic results with a k20a head on the K24 with almost no tuning.

Im hoping you will get an immediate 20kw boost. That would really set my pants on first..so to speak!

You still projecting end of month on the head install?

[EUR003act]

So the new heads not on yet but you have the Af gauge hooked up in preparation.

I was looking at k20a.org and theres some fantastic results with a k20a head on the K24 with almost no tuning.

Im hoping you will get an immediate 20kw boost. That would really set my pants on first..so to speak!

You still projecting end of month on the head install?

yeah im logging my a/f ratios before the build so once i do it i can compare and make sure the ecu is coping...

the build is planned for monday-wednesday coming up :D only problem is im still waiting on two parts :( so the heads will be swapped, but i wont be able to drive it until they arrive! :(

[krogoth]

tell us wat A/F ratioz ur getting J

post us up some graphs and shiet, lol

[EUR003act]

tell us wat A/F ratioz ur getting J

post us up some graphs and shiet, lol

still trying to figure out how to export the graphs lol

but idle i sit dead on 14.4... under WOT its pretty much 12.5 the whole time...

[krogoth]

mmmmmmmmmmmmmm

sounds good J

numbers are pretty cool, tho, im talking in a textbook sense, not in a "ive seen many built engines with these numbers sense" lol, so dont trust me, lol

WOT is a little rich, but thats a good thing, reduces the possibility of knock, idle is ok

u were properly warmed up when u got those ratios right?

[EUR003act]

mmmmmmmmmmmmmm

sounds good J

numbers are pretty cool, tho, im talking in a textbook sense, not in a "ive seen many built engines with these numbers sense" lol, so dont trust me, lol

WOT is a little rich, but thats a good thing, reduces the possibility of knock, idle is ok

u were properly warmed up when u got those ratios right?

yepp yep :D water temp was 92degrees... oil temp 87degrees and oil pressure at idle was 25psi...

yeah im glad my WOT is rich cause thats when the engine is running in open loop (off settings in the ecu and not chasing the sensors)... so hopefully all will go well :thumbsup:

[krogoth]

awesome man

keep us updated

and get us some pretty graphs

just use a good quality camera, lawlll

[EUR003act]

heres just a quick screenshot i did (shows the car at idle):
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/screenshotLarge.jpg

[johnprocter]

man your a legend for having the balls to do this project :D

[aaronng]

What did you use to pull the AF ratios? the OBD2 port?

[EUR003act]

What did you use to pull the AF ratios? the OBD2 port?

Innovative motorsports LC-1 wideband a/f gauge/data logger...

its a completely separate wideband o2 sensor which i calibrated before the run :)

now for the good news hehe did a trial run with the J32A3 throttle body and 3" intake this morning, i didnot port out the manifold so it was only running thru 62mm stock opening. I will be using this dyno as my baseline for the build.

So here is the printout (temp was 16degrees):
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/Baseline-1Medium.jpg

and here is my A/F log for a run:
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/Dyno-AF-log.jpg

[aaronng]

Do you stick it up the exhaust or did you plumb it through a port in the toda test pipe?

[EUR003act]

Do you stick it up the exhaust or did you plumb it through a port in the toda test pipe?

its welded in the TODA test pipe just before my cat converter... pretty much directly opposite the stock o2 sensor :)

and yes i know its a little rich lol but thats good :) because once i get all that extra air smashing thru there, the ratio should lean out to more around the 13 mark :thumbsup:

[Suntzu]

Hang on..is that dyno from your normal motor plus the new intake and bigger Throttle Body?? or have you installed the new K20z head and thats the results?

Im not sure what im seeing?

That a different dyno from the original dyno that you and i used that was showing 133kw? Bit hard to draw comparisons in that case.

Either way its looking mighty impressive.

[aaronng]

Good idea to list all the mods for this run, seeing that this will be your baseline.

[EUR003act]

Hang on..is that dyno from your normal motor plus the new intake and bigger Throttle Body?? or have you installed the new K20z head and thats the results?

Im not sure what im seeing?

That a different dyno from the original dyno that you and i used that was showing 133kw? Bit hard to draw comparisons in that case.

Either way its looking mighty impressive.

lol its my normal motor with the J32A3 TB and custom intake (plus the comptech exhaust)... i wanted my baseline on a dyno dynamics dyno, as the mainline one seems to read lower than every other dyno ive seen...

lol this is the dyno you got 86kws on lol :thumbsup:

that dyno sheet is a little weird (dont know what happened there lol) i have another overlay printout, showing like 3 or 4 different runs i did this morning... ill try scan it in later tonight aswell...


Good idea to list all the mods for this run, seeing that this will be your baseline.

-J32A3 throttle body
-RBC intake manifold (stock 62mm inlet)
-P2R thermal gasket
-Comptech exhaust
-TODA racing headers
-hiflow metal cat
-custom 3" CAI

:D

and yes, i did not have my P2R spacer in (it still needs to be modded to fit the J32A3 TB)

[EUR003act]

ok heres the overlay:

BLUE line = WOT to redline, then back off, then repeated
GREEN line = Normal power run (i think i got 142kws on that one)
PINK line = Max power run (using as my baseline)

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/MultiOverlayMedium.jpg

A/F statistics for 3 runs on the dyno... this takes into account idle/WOT/injector cutoff (hence max 22a/f)

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/untitled.jpg

[Suntzu]

Its all good. Nice figures for those mods, but with respect i dont trust that dyno. thats why I went to the one you suggested. As you said i got 86kw on that one and 118 later on at the other one.

Why did you swap dynos mid mods?

[EUR003act]

Its all good. Nice figures for those mods, but with respect i dont trust that dyno. thats why I went to the one you suggested. As you said i got 86kw on that one and 118 later on at the other one.

Why did you swap dynos mid mods?

this is actually the dyno i used for my very first run... so the mainline one was actually the one i swapped to "mid mods"... and as i said before, that mainline one reads low... i know plenty of guys who get lower than usual figures on mainline...

i trust that dyno... its been very consistant for me (and others)... lol its just a shame ur VSA was on when u did ur run... you mightve got higher than 118kw...

the majority of people seem to use dyno dynamics, so by me using that for all my mods, its a little better for comparison...
(and yes i know you cant compare different dynos done on different days - but using the same brand and program is better than nothing)

[Suntzu]

Ok. That fair enough.

Im just trying to gauge the improvement of the TB. And your last dyno was 133kw and the same the mainline where i got 118kw. ( i got 86kw at the dyno dynamics place you got 146kw)

So theres no baseline for the TB. But thats fair enough its not worth doing a dyno for every little mod.

Now you have a firm baseline on the Dyno Dynamics and now you can get stuck into the serious head work.

it will be exciting to see what you get next!

Let me know if you are going to pulfords again ( im only 3kms from their shop). Id love to see the next dyno run.

cheers

[aaronng]

Both of you need to stick to the same dyno so that you two have semi-comparable numbers. LOL

[Euro08Jaz]

so which dyno are you guys sticking with?

[EUR003act]

Both of you need to stick to the same dyno so that you two have semi-comparable numbers. LOL


so which dyno are you guys sticking with?

lol dyno dynamics :p

[hooyn]

hey im curious.. whats the blue line represent ?

[EUR003act]

Ok. That fair enough.

Im just trying to gauge the improvement of the TB. And your last dyno was 133kw and the same the mainline where i got 118kw. ( i got 86kw at the dyno dynamics place you got 146kw)

So theres no baseline for the TB. But thats fair enough its not worth doing a dyno for every little mod.

Now you have a firm baseline on the Dyno Dynamics and now you can get stuck into the serious head work.

it will be exciting to see what you get next!

Let me know if you are going to pulfords again ( im only 3kms from their shop). Id love to see the next dyno run.

cheers

to gauge the improvement from the throttle body, id have to go get a dyno, then drain my coolant, then remove my manifold, then port it out to 66mm then replace it, then refill with coolant, then fit throttle body and new EVAP lines, then let it learn the new TB for a few days, then go dyno again... i saw that as alot of effort and wasted money (around $160) just to see maybe a 1-2kw gain... and even that may not show up, as dynos done one week can vary 2-5kws (or more) the next week... hey, ive done three dyno in the space of 5mins, and even they are 1-3kws apart...

that is why i didnt do baseline for the TB... i just want a starting point so i can gauge what difference the K20Z head makes...

and also i needed to get a dyno A/F log to compare with :D


hey im curious.. whats the blue line represent ?

im guessing your talking about the blue line in the last dyno sheet? if so, that is my kw output at the wheels... except instead of starting at 2000rpm and revving all the way to redline... it was started around 5000rpm, hit rev limit, then backed off, then WOT to rev limit again... and so on...

[aaronng]

Did the ECU eventually relearn the idle of the J32 TB without needing the HDS? or is it still idling at 1100rpm?

[EUR003act]

Did the ECU eventually relearn the idle of the J32 TB without needing the HDS? or is it still idling at 1100rpm?

warm idle was sitting around 900rpm lol

ive swapped back to the stock TB for the next fews days... stalled itself first two times i started it with the stock TB lol my ecu must be going "f*ck! make up your mind!" lol

build starts on monday morning :) so first pics will be up monday night... :thumbsup:

[EUR003act]

LATEST UPDATE AND PICS~!

ok so on the J32A3 engine, the MAP sensor plugs into the TB and not the IM like on the K24A3... so you need to block the hole in the TB... weld/plug it up you say? lol well maybe, but on closer inspection, the K23A3 TB has three connections (besides the inlet)... it has: coolant in, coolant out, and EVAP vacuum... the J32A3 however, only has two! coolant in and out (these can be removed :) youll notice in my previous pics thats exactly what i did)... so for the EVAP line, simple, drill and tap into the MAP sensor hole, and hey presto! you have both problems fixed :thumbsup:


MAP sensor hole drilled out to 11.8mm and tapped 1/4 BSP thread:
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/DSCF2298Medium.jpg

Right Angled 8mm EVAP line connection:
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/DSCF2299Medium.jpg

[aaronng]

Nice nice. Lateral thinking ftw!

[EUR003act]

ok... so my car is now at the workshop... parts all ready to go, intake manifold, tb, engine cover, etc all removed...

will recommence work on it tomorrow morning after ive gone via honda to get some tools :D

[Suntzu]

Excellent news. So the heads about to go on.

this is officially the most important thread on Ozhonda - Euro CL9

Top stuff!

[EUR003act]

PIIIIIIIIIIICCCCCCCSSSSSSSS!!!!!

Manifold taken off - starting to remove cam chain cover:
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/show3Large.jpg

All jacked up - crank pulley and chain cover removed:
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/show2Large.jpg

Cylinder head off!
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/show1Large.jpg

The block after we cleaned the Pistons and sleeves:
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/DSCF2323Large.jpg

Mmm so damn sexy! you should see them go up and down, its better than sex!
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/DSCF2325Large.jpg

Yes i have some cool videos aswell, theyll be posted up with the finished product :thumbsup:

[kitbkk]

sweet asss!!!

[aaronng]

Damn the pistons and cylinder area very clean.

[EUR003act]

Damn the pistons and cylinder area very clean.

lol yeah my mate is very particular about doing everything right! everything is going smoothly so far... took us forever to get the VTC actuator off the camshaft (im only using 25degree on the K20 cams)... but apart from that, all good :thumbsup: touch wood!

i have in my possesion a VTEC testing aparatus, so tomorrow we will be bolting on the cams, actuating to 25degree advance, and engaging VTEC, then hand cranking the engine to check piston to valve clearance :)

[IEVAQ8]

this is exciting.......................

[EUR003act]

nearly finished! hehehe

got the whole block and head back together :) just got a few things to re-connect tomorrow, and then itll be towed back to my house tomorrow morning... (still awaiting K20 water outlet :()

here are some more pics :D

Timing chain back on:
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/DSCF2344Large.jpg

Valve clearance adjustments (to K20Z1 spec):
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/DSCF2349Large.jpg

A nice shot of my baby girl:
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/DSCF2357Large.jpg

How i left her tonight:
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/DSCF2374Large.jpg

[EuroAccord13]

Droooools.........

(Bucket)

[krogoth]

timing chain?

plz explain, lol

[felixd]

ohhh i cant wait this is realllyyyyyyyy excitingggggggggg hehehehhehehee :D :D :D trade me ur car pls hehe

[EUR003act]

timing chain?

plz explain, lol

lol K-series use timing chain instead of timing belt... dont know why... more friction equals less power :( but i suppose they last longer!

and yes, i replaced with a brand new one :)


ohhh i cant wait this is realllyyyyyyyy excitingggggggggg hehehehhehehee :D :D :D trade me ur car pls hehe

i just hope i make a sh*t load of power! lol all this effort and money! it better be fast! lol

[Xplodin]

timing chain?

plz explain, lol
get with times Wazzzomm... the K series doesnt use ur nublet of a D17z motor belt! LOLz hahhaa

[johnprocter]

dude how much have you spent all up? Can't wait to see some dynos!

[EUR003act]

dude how much have you spent all up? Can't wait to see some dynos!

lol on engine/performance alone? or on the car fullstop?

after the build is finished... ill work out approx costing... my guess, maybe around $10k on the engine :o

[johnprocter]

yeah i mean on teh engine/performance for this build! really 10k shitt well i reckon it'll be worth while if you get some fatt gains :)

[EUR003act]

yeah i mean on teh engine/performance for this build! really 10k shitt well i reckon it'll be worth while if you get some fatt gains :)

hahaha damn your quick on the reply! lol

yeah, i mean, i know theres gonna be so many people saying i wasted my money and shouldve done this shouldve brought that blah blah blah... but when it comes down to it, ill have a one of a kind, something no one else has, the only euro like it in australia... and thats what will make me happy :)

[johnprocter]

yeah true haha i was thinking about that today like someone said it'd cost them 15grand to turbo their euro all up and people were saying blahblahblah just buy an evo/wrx whatever.. but everyone has an evo/wrx no one would expect the b000sst from a euro :P and you'd be the only person in the whole of australia with a turbo'd euro ^_^

[EUR003act]

yeah true haha i was thinking about that today like someone said it'd cost them 15grand to turbo their euro all up and people were saying blahblahblah just buy an evo/wrx whatever.. but everyone has an evo/wrx no one would expect the b000sst from a euro :P and you'd be the only person in the whole of australia with a turbo'd euro ^_^

lol so true... and interior of wrx/evo :thumbdwn:

euro is definately something special... and with the extra power... will beat anything in its class/catagory :thumbsup:

hehehe

[Euro08Jaz]

so true, id rather hav a frank euro over an evo/wrx anyday.

i mean suxs to buy a rally car that'll never hit the dirt

compared to a nice classy euro which is completly functional and would still kick a fair bit of ass.

[vte18c]

so true, id rather hav a frank euro over an evo/wrx anyday.

i mean suxs to buy a rally car that'll never hit the dirt

compared to a nice classy euro which is completely functional and would still kick a fair bit of ass.

Its subjective and to say one thing is better and the other sucks is a pointless position to take. I have owned an 03 STi with 200kw atw are you saying that it sucks to own such a car? Have you owned one? The only thing that sucks about owning one is the ridiculous stereotypes attached to it and the retards who target, want to vandalise it and say things like you have just said. :wave:

[Crapdaz]

it sux cause they should have stuck with the 22B style.

[Euro08Jaz]

Its subjective and to say one thing is better and the other sucks is a pointless position to take. I have owned an 03 STi with 200kw atw are you saying that it sucks to own such a car? Have you owned one? The only thing that sucks about owning one is the ridiculous stereotypes attached to it and the retards who target, want to vandalise it and say things like you have just said. :wave:

obviously they are amazing cars to drive.

it is subjective, and i did own a stock wrx and could not afford the insurance, the point im making is sometimes these cars dont see there full potential. dont take my comment personally i admit it was not very concise

[EUR003act]

girls stop your bickering! point i was trying to make - everybody has fast WRXs... not many people have fast euros... :p

andway, so heres the lastest update! still waiting for my water outlet, so shes all finished for now, ill be fitting that and making up new lines/hoses once it arrives... until then, a few more pics :)

Lurking in the workshop!
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/lurkingLarge.jpg

On her way back to my place:
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/tow-backLarge.jpg

[Euro08Jaz]

so were just waiting on water outlet?

[Crapdaz]

BOO HOO justin!! =P

[EUR003act]

so were just waiting on water outlet?

lol yep... then she'll be ready for dyno's! :D

[vte18c]

Kick ass! cant wait for you to ''fire it up'' OCC style.

Just on your front bar.. when you refit it, not sure if you have done it before.. but when I took mine off for resonator removal, it put it back on but noticed the 'hooks' had sagged slightly from the removal, allowing a slight gap under the head lights. Sucks.. now I have to take it off again, just thought id share.

[EUR003act]

Kick ass! cant wait for you to ''fire it up'' OCC style.

Just on your front bar.. when you refit it, not sure if you have done it before.. but when I took mine off for resonator removal, it put it back on but noticed the 'hooks' had sagged slightly from the removal, allowing a slight gap under the head lights. Sucks.. now I have to take it off again, just thought id share.

lol im gonna video the first start up :)

thanks buddy!

yeah im gonna bend the hooks back up a lil... hope fully will sit level :thumbsup:

[krogoth]

far out

3 pages back is too far back, lol

updatezzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[yfin]

Far out this is like waiting for jtune updates! Finish already!

Kudos for having the balls to do this. You crazy mother - $10k on the engine..... lol

[Chris_F]

Such an impressive/inspiring build, kudos :D

What are you planning to tune it with? (sorry if I missed it)

[EUR003act]

far out

3 pages back is too far back, lol

updatezzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


Far out this is like waiting for jtune updates! Finish already!

Kudos for having the balls to do this. You crazy mother - $10k on the engine..... lol

lol tell me about it!

its kinda good tho cause its giving me time to do all my wiring and re-do my interior lighting aswell...

but damn i just want the part to arrive!


Such an impressive/inspiring build, kudos :D

What are you planning to tune it with? (sorry if I missed it)

lol stock ecu FTW :thumbsup: lol

[Chris_F]

lol tell me about it!

its kinda good tho cause its giving me time to do all my wiring and re-do my interior lighting aswell...

but damn i just want the part to arrive!



lol stock ecu FTW :thumbsup: lol

lol all that effort and all that money and your not going to tune it?

With extensive modifications like this a good tune is where you get most of your gains isn't it? *scratches head*

[EUR003act]

lol all that effort and all that money and your not going to tune it?

With extensive modifications like this a good tune is where you get most of your gains isn't it? *scratches head*

lol yep... but im not paying another $4000-$5000 for ecu / harness / tuning for another 5-10kw... lol

[Chris_F]

lol yep... but im not paying another $4000-$5000 for ecu / harness / tuning for another 5-10kw... lol

It'd be a lot more than 5-10 kw. On a euro with just intake header exhaust gains are more like 10-15kw at the wheels (with only a piggy back ecu that can't even control VTC). So with your mods the gains would be even greater and with a stand alone ecu even greater again.

You've spent roughly 10k on the engine. With your current mods you're reading about 140-145kw on the dyno your using. By changing the head you might bring that to 145-155kw. I just don't see how the stock ecu is going to cope with the change in cam profiles. The car is likely to run pretty rough (especially at VTEC engagement) and your definitely not going to get the most out of all the mods you've made.

As a point of reference I've seen a few DC5R's with Intake, header, exhaust go from about 120-125kw atw to 140kw atw when tuned with a standalone, fully tuneable ecu.

I'd say with a good ecu you would have been making over 155kw before the head swap. After the head swap with no ecu tuning I'm honestly doubtful it'll be much higher than that.

This is the same logic I've used for my car... I've done I/H/E/Cat lightweight flywheel/clutch and won't be doing any more performance mods untill I can afford a decent ecu to tune it. I know there's a lot more power to be made with the mods I already have with a decent tune. I've always thought ECU tuning was the most critical part of the package when it comes to making power. It just seams odd to me that you've got so many really nice parts but won't be truley taking advantage of them?

What do some of the more experienced guys think about this?

How about the traders that specialise in tuning, what's your honest opinion?

[vte18c]

I agree with what Chris is saying but then I come from a turbo background where tuning is more important.. well higher gains from it anyway. I guess when your talking about gains of only 10-15kw from tuning, people aren't as keen to fork out for it.. For the OP maybe it's something you can look at as the next step when your looking to spend more money.

I wanted to ask as a side note, whats the capability of the standard ECU to be flash tuned with these mods?

[Chris_F]

I agree with what Chris is saying but then I come from a turbo background where tuning is more important.. well higher gains from it anyway. I guess when your talking about gains of only 10-15kw from tuning, people aren't as keen to fork out for it.. For the OP maybe it's something you can look at as the next step when your looking to spend more money.

I wanted to ask as a side note, whats the capability of the standard ECU to be flash tuned with these mods?

You're right, there's less gains to be had when tuning NA, but there's also a lot less gains when it comes to boltons. There's just less power overall. But percentage wise ECU still offers the biggest gains on a well modified NA car (as far as I know.

I just hope there's an ecu planned for this car in the future :)

[Crapdaz]

would emanage ultimate running piggyback be more suitable in his case?

[Suntzu]

I was under the impression there was no proper tuning option for the Euro.

that the current ecu tuning options:
1. Kill off VSA Aircon Trip etc
2. Get unlearned by the master factory ECU.

Im hoping im wrong with this assessment.

I have the Jtune mild flash with a 5000 rpm vtec and a 98 ron map and im hoping ill get decent gains with more bolts ons. Certianly my car does seem to have responded well to I/H/E/Cat at this stage. Im hoping RBC, heatshield gasket and maybe pulleys will push it along.

But it will be very interesting to see what justin gets with this groundbreaking and awesome mod! He can always tun later if its a cost effective and reliable method.

[Chris_F]

would emanage ultimate running piggyback be more suitable in his case?

It would definitely help. You can get an emanage ultimate installed and tuned for around $1500-$2000

Piggybacks aren't as flexible or as precise as many of the stand alone ecu's and are generally for cars with more basic bolt-on mods. I'm not sure how it would handle a new head/cams but it's something worth looking into.


I was under the impression there was no proper tuning option for the Euro.

that the current ecu tuning options:
1. Kill off VSA Aircon Trip etc
2. Get unlearned by the master factory ECU.

Im hoping im wrong with this assessment.



Not entirely true. There are two definite standalone ecu options that I know of:

Efi Euro1 with drive-by-wire module. AKmotorworks is a trader that deals/tunes EFi ecu's. There used on a lot of race cars and have some great high-end features. For this ecu you'd be looking at $3000-3500 fitted and tuned. You also won't lose any capabilities like VSA, dash, aircon.

Motec M400 with optional drive-by-wire and VTC compatability. Most tuners should be able to work with Motec and it's one of the best ecu's on the market (extremely precise and a whole bunch of features). This one will set you back about $5000 installed and tuned.

Piggyback wise there is another two:

Emanage ultimate: forum member ALN has this ecu and has experienced no problems with the factory ECU relearning. This is a step above a VAFC or standard emanage and has somehow managed to get around the relearning. Has the capability to change VTEC point and you can buy a greddy V-manage computer to play with the VTC (works in conjunction with the ultimate). This one is about $1500 installed and tuned.

Haltech interceptor: I've emailed the guys at haltech and they have confirmed that this works on a euro and have installed one on a euro in the past. They said gains were 12-15kw atw on a fairly stock car. Unlike the emanage ultimate you can't change vtec point, but it's just as good as the ultimate in every other respect. Once again you should be able to get this one installed and tuned for $1500-$2000.

Ecu's are something I've been looking into for the past couple of years, and so far the Efi is the most desirable in terms of features vs. cost. Still I can't bring myself to spend $3000 and I'm waiting for either a second hand EFi or a new product to come onto the market at a more reasonable price.

So yea, there's definitely a number of options out there. I'm not sure why more of the euro/TSX guys haven't gone ahead and used some of these.

[Crapdaz]

It would definitely help. You can get an emanage ultimate installed and tuned for around $1500-$2000

Piggybacks aren't as flexible or as precise as many of the stand alone ecu's and are generally for cars with more basic bolt-on mods. I'm not sure how it would handle a new head/cams but it's something worth looking into.

i got quoted for about $1300 for tuned and sourced it myself.

But yeh sounds about right, that piggybacks arent as good as standalone ecus but works.

[kingfoo]

After I've finished doing my mods I'm going to get a VAFC2 (& Tune) as it's compatible with both iVTEC and VTC.

[Chris_F]

i got quoted for about $1300 for tuned and sourced it myself.

But yeh sounds about right, that piggybacks arent as good as standalone ecus but works.

Damn, that's a good price!

EUR003act, now there's no reason you can't spend 1300 and get the thing tuned given the outlay on parts so far! :D:thumbsup:



After I've finished doing my mods I'm going to get a VAFC2 (& Tune) as it's compatible with both iVTEC and VTC.

I thought the factory ecu is able to relearn with the VAFC2 (basically wiping the tune)

[Suntzu]

Haltech might be good for me as Ive already got a 5000rpm vtec point...hmmm

[Chris_F]

^ awesome idea. I never thought of the flash/piggyback combination. Chances are you'll be able to achieve a more agressive tune with the flashed ecu.

[aaronng]

After I've finished doing my mods I'm going to get a VAFC2 (& Tune) as it's compatible with both iVTEC and VTC.

VAFC2 doesn't allow you to alter ignition timing and control the VTC.

[Euro08Jaz]

i guess its easy to assume that its not worth the money to tune an NA car compared to a turbo, 15kw to 5000,

i dont understand much about ecu tuning but do you need a stand alone unit? couldn't the results be achieved by tuning a stock ecu?

[aaronng]

i guess its easy to assume that its not worth the money to tune an NA car compared to a turbo, 15kw to 5000,

i dont understand much about ecu tuning but do you need a stand alone unit? couldn't the results be achieved by tuning a stock ecu?

You can't tune a stock ECU.

[Chris_F]

i guess its easy to assume that its not worth the money to tune an NA car compared to a turbo, 15kw to 5000,

i dont understand much about ecu tuning but do you need a stand alone unit? couldn't the results be achieved by tuning a stock ecu?

You're never going to make as much power NA but that doesn't mean it's not worth it.

10-15kw can be gained from $1300 with the haltech or greddy piggy back ecu. There limitation is that they're really only suitable for mild modifications.

If your spending the full $5000 for the motec m400 (or $3000 for the efi) you can really go to town on the engine. Agressive cams, stroked/destroked/bored engine, Supercharger, turbocharger basically whatever you like.

With the right mods a naturally aspirated k24 can make in excess of 165-175kw atw, you'll just need to spend upwards of $3000 on a decent ecu to get it there (after you've done all of the engine work).

[Euro08Jaz]

just quickly whilst were on the topic of ecu's say i was after the comptech sc kit how would i be able to tune my ecu to run with that including header and exhaust modifications? i understand no reflash is available for 07 euro and i dont think an 06 tsx ecu would be interchangeable with the euro.

[EUR003act]

i havent had a chance to read all your replies properly... i will when i have some spare time... :) but until i see a euro with an aftermarket ecu that still has full functioning dash, air con, and cruise control... im not going aftermarket... i didnt buy a luxury car with all those features for nothing...

as for piggy back ecus... the master ecu will relearn them, and they cant adjust things like a/f ratio in open loop mode and VTC... (where all my power would be...)

yes i know id get more power with a tuned ecu... but until there is a viable option out there for the euro, im not gonna go down that road...

in saying that, the only thing i can see doing what i want would be piggy back K20 ecu running K-pro... but that gets expensive and still has alot of experimenting to be done.... before people start saying "you cant do this" "you should do this" i think id like to wait and see what this build gets me... this is all unwalked ground in the world of euros... and from what ive seen of the stock ecu so far, damn theyre good! :thumbsup:

[Euro08Jaz]

true at the end of the days you've been getting mad results with the stock ecu, im sure something will eventually come out no point losing features that we paid for.

[vte18c]

Yeah exactly, and the reason why I was advised against piggybacks such as the Haltech interceptor on late model ECU's is due to their intelligent learning capabilities. Your basically cutting the standard ECU out of certain controls or signal bending.. id rather go a flash tune or complete ECU replacement if you can be assed.

I had haltech interceptor on my 03 sti, it took 4 hours to tune and I was told a flash tune would have netted better results. Not to say it still wasn't good.. it's just that the late model factory ECU's are pretty smart.

See how you go mate.

[EUR003act]

havent had an update in ages... so here ya go :)

well, still waiting for the water outlet to arrive, but i re-did all the LEDs in my centre console (two had died!), and also started adding mood lighting...

i have also tidied up some of my old sensor wiring, and run new looms for future upgrades :thumbsup:

photos!

the mess im currently sorting out lol:
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/DSCF2406Medium.jpg

and my new looms (mine are ALL the black ones!):
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/DSCF2408Large.jpg

[sodaz]

Wow mate. You're a seriously dedicated Euro modder. Hats off to you! :thumbsup:

[EUR003act]

Wow mate. You're a seriously dedicated Euro modder. Hats off to you! :thumbsup:

cheers buddy :) its always good to hear others thoughts on what im doing... :thumbsup: thanks

[Crapdaz]

maniac......Maniac!!!
crazy MF!!!

nice work justin.

[Euro08Jaz]

dude your going to help me do this!

[EUR003act]

UPDATE! :)

while replacing my wheel splash guard (id torn the other one) i noticed that the 03-05 and 06-07 wheel guard are different! :eek:

nothing big, but on the 06-07 there is a ventilation panel... not sure how much extra air it'll allow to flow, but considering my pod will be sitting directly infront of it, maybe itll help draw air thru the front bar and past the pod :thumbsup:

anyway, pics for everyone to see...

03-05 is on the RIGHT / 06-07 is on the LEFT:
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/DSCF2411Medium.jpg

03-05 is on the LEFT / 06-07 is on the RIGHT:
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/DSCF2412Medium.jpg

[akina]

yea, i always get paranoid about those holes when its raining.
just scared when i go in puddles or potholes, i splash water up there onto the pod as thats where it sits directly.

[EUR003act]

yea, i always get paranoid about those holes when its raining.
just scared when i go in puddles or potholes, i splash water up there onto the pod as thats where it sits directly.

lol my car wont be driven in the rain :p

but yeah i get what you mean, water splashes thro should spray to the back of the guard...

[munkaii]

Subscribed! This is bloody fantastic. Sex on wheels!

[misteR_bilzz]

a decent amount of water needs to get in to cause any damage, it would be hard enough getting past the pod let alone your piping.

[bennjamin]

tell me when to make a OH WSID event.....we need a booked lane to see this thing run down the 1/4 :)

[EUR003act]

tell me when to make a OH WSID event.....we need a booked lane to see this thing run down the 1/4 :)

will do buddy! the week after i get it all finished ill be coming up for a day or two :)

ill let ya know as soon as i know what dates! :p

[EUR003act]

To fit RBC onto K24A3 you will need to add a vacuum line...

do so by drilling an 8.8mm hole:
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/DSCF1630Medium.jpg

tap the hole with a 1/8th NPT thread:
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/DSCF1633Medium.jpg

And fit a 4mm nipple:
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/DSCF1658Medium.jpg

DONE! :thumbsup:

[Suntzu]

That is AWESOME!

Im fitting my RBC on Sat and thats just saved my ass from fking it up.

Thank you big!

[felixd]

That is AWESOME!

Im fitting my RBC on Sat and thats just saved my ass from fking it up.

Thank you big!

hey can you please tell me after you've installed your rbc cuz i want to do the same aswell :D how many kw at the wheels does it proven to gain with I/H/E mod :D
how much you source your RBC for i got quote $284 USD shipped

oh also are you just installing the rbc it self or with accord TL TB ???

[Suntzu]

Uts cheaper and quicker to buy off a verndor here once you pay the customs, potentially gst and allow for the shit AUD$ at the moment.

Im just putting on the RBC with Hondata Heatshield Gasket and Throttle Body bypass. Im not 100% sold on the value of the larger TB as yet but will see once I dyno this new RBC.

I bought the RBC and got it in 24 hours from JDMYARD in traders.

[felixd]

Uts cheaper and quicker to buy off a verndor here once you pay the customs, potentially gst and allow for the shit AUD$ at the moment.

Im just putting on the RBC with Hondata Heatshield Gasket and Throttle Body bypass. Im not 100% sold on the value of the larger TB as yet but will see once I dyno this new RBC.

can you gimme the contact detail ? :D thx man

[EUR003act]

UPDATE:

took my TODA test pipe (with broken cat) into the exhaust shop today to get my new cat put in, im getting the magnflow metal hi flow cat :) i hope it lasts longer than my last one!

this should solve my rattleing problem for good! yay!

[felixd]

can u give us pics of the cat :P welded in thx my zorst place quote me 450 for the mgnaflow metal cat lol

[Crapdaz]

UPDATE:

took my TODA test pipe (with broken cat) into the exhaust shop today to get my new cat put in, im getting the magnflow metal hi flow cat :) i hope it lasts longer than my last one!

this should solve my rattleing problem for good! yay!
master justin, how much for the Magnaflow metal cat? and is it direct fit or you need the flanges cut and rewelded with trangle flange?
:p:p:p:p:p

[EUR003act]

can u give us pics of the cat :P welded in thx my zorst place quote me 450 for the mgnaflow metal cat lol

i was quoted $350 :p

i was impressed! lol lets just hope they get it right... yeah ill be picking it up on monday (theyre really busy) so ill post pics that night :thumbsup:

[EUR003act]

master justin, how much for the Magnaflow metal cat? and is it direct fit or you need the flanges cut and rewelded with trangle flange?
:p:p:p:p:p

see above lol

and im getting my old one cut out and this one welded in... so im re-using the toda flange bits and my three o2 sensor bungs... lol yes 3 hehe

[felixd]

how come toda has 3 o2 bung ??? wad will dat do ?

[EUR003act]

how come toda has 3 o2 bung ??? wad will dat do ?

lol only mine has three o2 bung... data logger! :thumbsup:

[felixd]

ohhhh dangggg !!!!!

[Suntzu]

i could only get a 1/8th BNC from Enzed. I have an imperial tap and die set. but now I got no clue what drill bit to use? Looks like 8.8mm still. Let see.

Also any idea why the nipple is called a 1/8th bnc and it about 10mm wide which is mire like 7/16th! Trying to find the correct tap and its all weird. Maybe 1/8th is the screw thread type...

[aaronng]

i could only get a 1/8th BNC from Enzed. I have an imperial tap and die set. but now I got no clue what drill bit to use? Looks like 8.8mm still. Let see.

Also any idea why the nipple is called a 1/8th bnc and it about 10mm wide which is mire like 7/16th! Trying to find the correct tap and its all weird. Maybe 1/8th is the screw thread type...

1/8th because the tubing that is meant to be used with it is 1/8" in diameter. You need a 7/16 hex spanner to use with it.

[Crapdaz]

Justin - did you bother making a bracket to hold the RBC up or did you just leave it bolted to the head?

4.1-4.2kg for the RBC.

[EUR003act]

Justin - did you bother making a bracket to hold the RBC up or did you just leave it bolted to the head?

4.1-4.2kg for the RBC.

lol just bolted to the head... not much weight... headers are heavier and they only got support after the flex...

[Crapdaz]

you reckon it would be best if i made my own aluminium gasket? to block off the TB hole?

[EUR003act]

you reckon it would be best if i made my own aluminium gasket? to block off the TB hole?

you only need to block the hole if your using a J32A3 TB... stock TB blocks the hole itself :thumbsup:

p.s go to bed... lol

[Crapdaz]

you only need to block the hole if your using a J32A3 TB... stock TB blocks the hole itself :thumbsup:

p.s go to bed... lol
your not the boss of me.

No reason cause i am asking is i got the TSX P2R spacer which doesn't have the DBW gap.

So i need to block both ends 1. TB end, 2. Manifold end.

I might just get a sheet of aluminium and blank it off, since the TB and manifold doesn't get hotter than 600+ deg.

Aluminium = 660deg C melting point.

YOU GO TO BED, I AM DETERMINED TO GET IT PAINTED AND BRASS FITTING IN BY TOMORROW.

BUT WORRIED I WILL MAKE A MISTAKE WITH THE TAPPING.
just to be sure.
3/16 X 1/8 Male NPT or BSPT
1/8 Tapper Drill
8.8mm Drill piece

[Crapdaz]

To fit RBC onto K24A3 you will need to add a vacuum line...

do so by drilling an 8.8mm hole:
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/DSCF1630Medium.jpg

tap the hole with a 1/8th NPT thread:
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/DSCF1633Medium.jpg

And fit a 4mm nipple:
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/DSCF1658Medium.jpg

DONE! :thumbsup:
RE: photo one

Just below your drill piece, you have a Valve opening and lower down is a large silver blanking plate.
In between is a smaller circle which hasn't been drilled i have a tiny valve located there on my RBC. Would that be my vacuum valve?

If you need i'll take a photo.

haha no wonder why you didn't need that other P2R K24 IM gasket, cause you remove the whole IM assembly for the replacement and the hondata is the only one used.

[Suntzu]

Mines fitted. I had the valve on my RBC so I didnt need to drillland tap. It was bolt on.

comments soon...

[Crapdaz]

did you run it and did you get white smoke?

cause i switched on the engine and it started smoking with white smoke.

[Suntzu]

Nope. 100% ok. Idled at 1500rpm and then settled done to 800rpm. i did not observe any smoke. All good. Im reserving judgment until the ecu has relearnt as i reset it.

Sufficice to say that when my vtec kicks in at 5000rpm it like an extra turbine has engaged, :thumbsup:at least that what it sounds like.:zip:

[aaronng]

did you run it and did you get white smoke?

cause i switched on the engine and it started smoking with white smoke.
Did you connect the coolant lines properly?

[Crapdaz]

Did you connect the coolant lines properly?

yeh connected the lower coolant line on the lower massive valve.
and the other connections to the TB bypass.

RESULT: COLD START and now i don't any problems. Just have some coolant that has dripped down to the lower side. Car sounds slightly deeper and different response.

[felixd]

any pics of its installed guys :D plss

[aaronng]

How did you manage to fit your hand beneath the stock intake manifold to get at the support bracket? I can't fit my hand in at all.

[EUR003act]

How did you manage to fit your hand beneath the stock intake manifold to get at the support bracket? I can't fit my hand in at all.

lol please dont talk about that support bracket... i hate that thing! lol and im pretty sure everyone else with an RBC now hates that thing lol...

just alot of squirming, trying different angles, coming up from below....

so the RBC revolution has begun?

Me
EuroAccord13
Suntzu
Crapdaz

who will be next?

[aaronng]

I don't have money. hahahah... cheap enough to even repair my topspeed header under warranty. LOL

[snYpz]

Well if the gains are good then i will be up for it for sure ;)
Just not game enough to install it myself tho :p

[aaronng]

any pics of its installed guys :D plss

Check out Crapdaz' appearance thread.

[Crapdaz]

How did you manage to fit your hand beneath the stock intake manifold to get at the support bracket? I can't fit my hand in at all.

The support bracket lean over from the left hand side of the car and you can slip your hand in from the left hand side of the radiator (passenger side) arch your arm towards the bracket use the 12mm socket wrench to undo the bolt.

i was going to undo the undercover but would have wasted too much time to jack car up so i found that way was more efficient.

[EUR003act]

lol my bracket is still sitting there... freakin bolt cross threaded or something... ive been meaning to remove it for weight reduction reasons :p

haha the culprate:
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/DSCF1651Medium.jpg

[Crapdaz]

lol my bracket is still sitting there... freakin bolt cross threaded or something... ive been meaning to remove it for weight reduction reasons :p

haha the culprate:
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/DSCF1651Medium.jpg
ROFLMAO!!!
Bugger that sux, but hey at least you don't need to do much to replace your RBB.

When you removed your RBB, didnt you undo that bolt?
Cause i took the whole RBB + bracket together out.

Only thing i did under the chassis was attach the socket + extension.
Engine bay - slip hands in and attach wrench then undo.

[Suntzu]

lol my bracket is still sitting there... freakin bolt cross threaded or something... ive been meaning to remove it for weight reduction reasons :p

haha the culprate:


LOL. My bro in law got that one off yesterday after some friggin around! Its a biatch alright.

Only issue with my RBC was extending the MAP sensor lead (easy), realizing I didnt need to tap a nipple for the vacuum line ( very easy!), screwing around with the comptech ( with OEM) rubber intake fitting with the different run to the RBC ( hard but got it 95% ok) and getting a longer hose for one fitting( easy).

I also installed the Hondata heatshield gasket and routed the throttle body heat bypass back into into the cooling system (incredibly easy, you dont need any joiners or anything for the TB bypass, 1 minute job). This has GREATLY cooled off the TB and RBC IM.

Both this cooler manifold intake air and RBC design has really opened my engine and power delivery. It sounds friggin fantastic at 4000-7600rpm. It also pulls like a muther by about 5500rpm.

I can feel the extrapower and the throttle response is instant. The RBC plus the breathing mods and Jtune flash have made my car come alive. It really obvious. i was hoping Jtune+rBC would work together and they certainly seem to compliment each other. The earlier Vtec+RBC meand the torque and power keeps coming in a smooth creamy power delivery.

I dont think I lost any torque at this stage. I certainly can't feel it. I can feel the extra surge and eagerness in the higher rev band. Its great. It revs HARD!

Ill confirm this with a dyno within a week or so. The RBC is also lighter than the RBB system so WiNA for tiny weight reduction.

Now lets get back on topic.

Whats the status on this build? Are we ready for dyno yet ? Any info?

[Crapdaz]

LOL. My bro in law got that one off yesterday after some friggin around! Its a biatch alright.

Only issue with my RBC was extending the MAP sensor lead (easy), realizing I didnt need to tap a nipple for the vacuum line ( very easy!), screwing around with the comptech ( with OEM) rubber intake fitting with the different run to the RBC ( hard but got it 95% ok) and getting a longer hose for one fitting( easy).

I also installed the Hondata heatshield gasket and routed the throttle body heat bypass back into into the cooling system (incredibly easy, you dont need any joiners or anything for the TB bypass, 1 minute job). This has GREATLY cooled off the TB and RBC IM.

Both this cooler manifold intake air and RBC design has really opened my engine and power delivery. It sounds friggin fantastic at 4000-7600rpm. It also pulls like a muther by about 5500rpm.

I can feel the extrapower and the throttle response is instant. The RBC plus the breathing mods and Jtune flash have made my car come alive. It really obvious. i was hoping Jtune+rBC would work together and they certainly seem to compliment each other. The earlier Vtec+RBC meand the torque and power keeps coming in a smooth creamy power delivery.

I dont think I lost any torque at this stage. I certainly can't feel it. I can feel the extra surge and eagerness in the higher rev band. Its great. It revs HARD!

Ill confirm this with a dyno within a week or so. The RBC is also lighter than the RBB system so WiNA for tiny weight reduction.

Now lets get back on topic.

Whats the status on this build? Are we ready for dyno yet ? Any info?
nice work suntzu lucky you have reflash cause i can't do anything until i am done with performance mods so i can use my greddy emanage.

btw note to all; the weight difference between the two manifolds,
RBC - 4.2kg
RBB - 6.2kg.

[EUR003act]

UPDATE:

used meguars quickclay on my bonnet this afternoon... and damn it looks sexy! cant wait till i can do the whole car! heres just a quick snap shot...

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/mirrored-bonnetLarge.jpg

And also my Accord door sills arrived! (damn fast i might add! A+ to Heeltoe Automotive!)

Heres a quick pic, sorry about the quality, its dark in my garage and i cant drive the car out yet lol

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/DSCF2432Large.jpg

[Crapdaz]

nice justin.

[snYpz]

mate post more pics, would love to see how the headlights look on the car =)
....thats if ur car is complete of cos lol

[EUR003act]

mate post more pics, would love to see how the headlights look on the car =)
....thats if ur car is complete of cos lol

lol nah still in pieces lol

ill try get some headlight pics this weekend or something... its difficult doing things because shes in the garage and i cant move her out (steep driveway out of garage)

Russ - excellent review :) im glad you like it! hehehe i told you you wouldnt regret it :thumbsup:

[Crapdaz]

lol nah still in pieces lol

ill try get some headlight pics this weekend or something... its difficult doing things because shes in the garage and i cant move her out (steep driveway out of garage)

Russ - excellent review :) im glad you like it! hehehe i told you you wouldnt regret it :thumbsup:

hey justin, do you mind taking a photo of your new intake piping engine bay area?
i need to custom mine properly so it's positioned better.
please send it via PM.

Many thanks,
Darren

[EUR003act]

hey justin, do you mind taking a photo of your new intake piping engine bay area?
i need to custom mine properly so it's positioned better.
please send it via PM.

Many thanks,
Darren

or i could sell you one... i have the piping for two more custom ones sitting in my lounge room :p

hehe but yes... ill post pics this weekend aswell :thumbsup:

[Crapdaz]

or i could sell you one... i have the piping for two more custom ones sitting in my lounge room :p

hehe but yes... ill post pics this weekend aswell :thumbsup:
how much are you selling it? PM me.

[snYpz]

RBC sounds sweet!!

Will wait for Suntzu's dyno to see the actual gains. But it does sound like it makes a difference...or it could be pychological thing :p

If its good, i'll get it ordered as soon as possible!! Too bad i cant install so will probably rely on some workshop while they fit the pulleys to the car as well.
Any recommendations in Sydney? Top one? ismotorracing?

Cheers Justin. Take the pics when ur all done...no hurry =)

[EUR003act]

UPDATE:

better pic of "Accord" door sills:
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/DSCF2454Large.jpg

RBC's (yes plural):
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/DSCF2481Large.jpg

Port matching to 66mm P2R TB spacer for my J32A3 TB:
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/DSCF2485Large.jpg

[aaronng]

UPDATE:
RBC's (yes plural):
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/DSCF2481Large.jpg

Sell me one of your spares which match to the stock TB once you sort out your J32A TB :D

[hooyn]

no sell it to me

[aaronng]

no sell it to me
Doesn't fit in your firetruck. :p

[EUR003act]

Sell me one of your spares which match to the stock TB once you sort out your J32A TB :D


no sell it to me

lol i think jaz has first dibs on it... lol but he's still in warranty so we're not sure what we'r gonna do yet...

lol ill keep you all updated :p

[Crapdaz]

justin i need a photo of your take!
*waahh waahh waahhh*

[EUR003act]

justin i need a photo of your take!
*waahh waahh waahhh*

lol ill dummy fit it tomorrow for you! lol jeez :p

ill also send you a PM about price to buy a replica of mine :thumbsup:

UPDATE AGAIN!

got my new magna flow cat welded in over the last few days... took some comparison pics... looking at my old cat (not sure on the brand) you can see why it broke loose and rattled (see pic below):
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/DSCF2458Large.jpg

whereas the magnaflow cat has a spongey padding around the film to hold it firmly in place (see below):
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/DSCF2462Large.jpg

:thumbsup: Thumbsup to Powertone Exhaust in Canberrra... they jumped on the K24Z1 project and gave me excellent service followed by good discount hehehe

The finished pipe:
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/DSCF2466Large.jpg

And one more Porting pic for good measure (thats the idle bypass hole you can see in the plenum):
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/DSCF2487Large.jpg

[Atjo]

UPDATE:

better pic of "Accord" door sills:
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/DSCF2454Large.jpg


Does the rear sill can fit? The rear sill for Accord is longer than euro.

[Suntzu]

Nice. Ill fit my $55 ones this weekend.

Whats the status on the K20z frank build? Issues or any problems?

[Euro08Jaz]

HEY DONT FORGET ABOUT ME lol, im still keen. i know better than to hassle the man.

[EUR003act]

Does the rear sill can fit? The rear sill for Accord is longer than euro.

fits perfectly... no issues at all (unlike the "Accord Euro" ones which have a small gap on the rear)

ill post pics of the rears once i finish my build...


Nice. Ill fit my $55 ones this weekend.

Whats the status on the K20z frank build? Issues or any problems?

lol still awaiting my water outlet :( ive got one on hold at honda... so if it doesnt turn up... ill cough up $200 for a new one...


HEY DONT FORGET ABOUT ME lol, im still keen. i know better than to hassle the man.

lol cheers buddy!

dont worry, ill sort you out once this is all finished! :thumbsup:

[EuroAccord13]

Who wants my RBC :D :D :D

[JunYu]

pm sent lol.

[EUR003act]

Who wants my RBC :D :D :D

:eek: !!! wat you selling for?

your not going RSP are you? :eek: so unfair if you do!!!

lol PM me if your shy about it ;) lol

[JunYu]

what's RSP guys?

[EuroAccord13]

:eek: !!! wat you selling for?

your not going RSP are you? :eek: so unfair if you do!!!

lol PM me if your shy about it ;) lol


Yeah, I got a mate overseas who might be changing his one out and he said I can take his to try heeheheeheheheh...


RSP is the FN2R's Manifold....

[power_of_dreams]

what car(s) come with RBC stock?

[snYpz]

what car(s) come with RBC stock?

the euro-r's and possibly the dc5r's as well but not 100%

[EUR003act]

what's RSP guys?
RSP is the manifold off the new civic typr R... and the same one DRHONDA used to get ~200kw atw on an N/A K24...


what car(s) come with RBC stock?
CL7 Euro-R (K20A) / Civic Si (K20Z3)
from what ive worked out - the K20Z3 RBCs already have the vacuum nipple... the K20A ones dont...
guessing its got something to do with the Z3 being DBW and the 'A' being cabled...


the euro-r's and possibly the dc5r's as well but not 100%

DC5R use PRB... PRB is gay :thumbdwn: lol

[aaronng]

Who wants my RBC :D :D :D

I get first dibs. lol

[Chris_F]

RBB, RBC, RPS, PRB....

what about ITB lol

[power_of_dreams]

RSP is the manifold off the new civic typr R... and the same one DRHONDA used to get ~200kw atw on an N/A K24...


CL7 Euro-R (K20A) / Civic Si (K20Z3)
from what ive worked out - the K20Z3 RBCs already have the vacuum nipple... the K20A ones dont...
guessing its got something to do with the Z3 being DBW and the 'A' being cabled...



DC5R use PRB... PRB is gay :thumbdwn: lol

coolies, what diff between cl9 and cl7 intake then? volume?

[snYpz]

CL9 produces more low end torque whereas CL7 produces more power at the higher end.

[EUR003act]

coolies, what diff between cl9 and cl7 intake then? volume?

CL9 has skinny long runners... (better for low end torque - shit for top end power)

CL7 has short fat runners... (awesome for top end power)

[Euro08Jaz]

RSP has a fat ass torque chamber aswell to allow the air to pool

[felixd]

RBB, RBC, RPS, PRB....

what about ITB lol

yeah ITB... but our car is not drive by wire :( !!! can we still get ITB ???

[Chris_F]

yeah ITB... but our car is not drive by wire :( !!! can we still get ITB ???

I'm not sure if there are any ITB's on the market designed to work with DBW? You'd probably have to convert the car to cable throttle.

At the moment I'm looking into the HKS F-CON V Pro, wich is a piggy back ecu with 32x32 resolution maps for fuel and ignition and some more advanced features. Doesn't seem to be anyone who can tune them locally though.

[EUR003act]

Daz and Russ... can please post pics of your RBC with the nipple already there? im interested to compare the intakes...

and confirm your using the correct nipple :p lol

cheers guys! :thumbsup:

[Crapdaz]

Daz and Russ... can please post pics of your RBC with the nipple already there? im interested to compare the intakes...

and confirm your using the correct nipple :p lol

cheers guys! :thumbsup:

Our nipples didn't come from the direction where you installed yours :p, its located on the side just above the PCV on the manifold.

If you need a photo i would love to take one for you when i get home.

Daz

[Suntzu]

I havent got a current photo but i can tell you mine has the correct vacuum line next to the large one. It exactly the right size for the hose. It works perfect and makes the install easy.

[EUR003act]

Our nipples didn't come from the direction where you installed yours :p, its located on the side just above the PCV on the manifold.

If you need a photo i would love to take one for you when i get home.

Daz


I havent got a current photo but i can tell you mine has the correct vacuum line next to the large one. It exactly the right size for the hose. It works perfect and makes the install easy.

lol sounds like its the correct one... im just trying to work out why you guys came with them and other RBCs dont...

from what i can work out so far - the euroR RBC doesnt have the nipple... whereas the civic si RBC does... maybe part numbers are different? :eek:

[aaronng]

lol sounds like its the correct one... im just trying to work out why you guys came with them and other RBCs dont...

from what i can work out so far - the euroR RBC doesnt have the nipple... whereas the civic si RBC does... maybe part numbers are different? :eek:
They were probably supplied with Civic Si RBC manifolds instead of EuroR RBC manifolds

[ENVSSS]

This looks like an interesting mod. Does aftermarket intakes such as Injen designed for the CL9 fit with the RBC intake manifold, or do we need to use custom piping?

[Euro08Jaz]

im sure if you order a intake for the euro r it should work fine on manifold.

[aaronng]

This looks like an interesting mod. Does aftermarket intakes such as Injen designed for the CL9 fit with the RBC intake manifold, or do we need to use custom piping?

You know how the Injen has that black rubber bit which joins the two halves together? If that is not enough to give you proper fitment with the RBC, get a longer rubber/silicone joiner.

[JunYu]

how's the progress?

[odor]

So that sounds like the rbc for the si is probably a better fit for the CL9 as compared to the euro-r rbc?

[Crapdaz]

So that sounds like the rbc for the si is probably a better fit for the CL9 as compared to the euro-r rbc?
only because it comes with the nipple already there. :p

[vte18c]

so whats the latest?? ive been away getting engaged and partying in Byron Bay, I was expecting to come back to youtube links with this thing on the dyno already!! hehe

[Crapdaz]

so whats the latest?? ive been away getting engaged and partying in Byron Bay, I was expecting to come back to youtube links with this thing on the dyno already!! hehe
rofl day you'll find out how much it gains. One day... :p

[ms700]

From the rumours floating around, it is alive.....

[EUR003act]

From the rumours floating around, it is alive.....

hahaha yes very true!

she is up and running!

ill post more info soon... got caught up with work today :(

[johnprocter]

whaaaat!!!

[EUR003act]

found out something interesting today...

when the engine temp is below 30degree C - VTEC will not engage :eek:

lol and no, i wasnt revving the sh*t out of a cold engine, the engine temp was actually 92degree and oil temp 85degree... ECU just thought it was cold (trying to see if on cold start the engine advances ignition / increases fuel)

hehehe :thumbsup:

[ms700]

I didnt hear from you today, is it idling better?

hope so!

[Suntzu]

Any news justin. We are really keen to hear whats the status is!