***K24Z1 project teaser***

[EUR003act]

I didnt hear from you today, is it idling better?

hope so!

hey buddy :)

sorry been busy / sick :(

well i swapped back to the stock TB until i can bring it in to you to have the idle relearn done... prob wont be until next week... when i can get time :(


Any news justin. We are really keen to hear whats the status is!

ok so update is:

the K20 head puts the water outlet in a different spot, so my custom made air intake now sits directly ontop of the radiator hose, meaning my intake is about 50-60degrees :( sucking in hot air = sluggish performance!

so i must make up a new intake... more time and money!

as for the stock ecu - when running with the J32A3 throttle body, the a/f ratios sit similar to what they used to, except under vtec... they used to sit around 11, they now lean out to 13.5... so im loosing power there!

im playing around with my options, i only drove it around for a day, so given more time i can see it learning... otherwise i may go piggyback ecu :zip:

[EUR003act]

oh and some pictures - sorry havent posted any in ages!

Ported and blended RBC runners:
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/DSCF2495Large.jpg

66mm inlet and blended plenum:
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/DSCF2503Large.jpg

TODA headers at 2200rpm idle:
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/DSCF2515Large.jpg

[johnprocter]

thanks for the update!

[Chris_F]

The toda headers look good glowing like that - nice and even too so the flow is obviously pretty damn even across all primaries. How did you take that picture (how hot does the manifold have to be?)

I'm also curious as to why you didn't just change the cams? I'd always thought that in terms of flow the Accord euro k24a head was essentially the same as the DC5r k20a head?

You're probably getting sick of me saying this now, but...

definitely get this thing tuned! You're really not going to make the most out of the k20 head and all of your modifications unless you do. I also want to know what the real gains are when changing heads!

[aaronng]

The toda headers look good glowing like that - nice and even too so the flow is obviously pretty damn even across all primaries. How did you take that picture (how hot does the manifold have to be?)

I'm also curious as to why you didn't just change the cams? I'd always thought that in terms of flow the Accord euro k24a head was essentially the same as the DC5r k20a head?

You're probably getting sick of me saying this now, but...

definitely get this thing tuned! You're really not going to make the most out of the k20 head and all of your modifications unless you do. I also want to know what the real gains are when changing heads!

I think Justin wanted to prove that you could get good gains even without getting your ECU tuned. :thumbsup:

[Chris_F]

I think Justin wanted to prove that you could get good gains even without getting your ECU tuned. :thumbsup:

that's true, and it has been really interesting watching it come together... it just makes me nervous for the owner and the car seeing all these mods go on without a tune.

I'm looking forward to the next stage all the same ;):thumbsup:

[aaronng]

that's true, and it has been really interesting watching it come together... it just makes me nervous for the owner and the car seeing all these mods go on without a tune.

I'm looking forward to the next stage all the same ;):thumbsup:

As long as his AF ratios stay below 14:1 and there isn't pinging. :thumbsup:

[tron07]

Just wondering... why is the idle RPM so high? high cams?

[CL9R]

So when i can the the civic si intake manifold to my euro. there's no need to do anything to the ecu yeah? it will re learn itself?

[Crapdaz]

So when i can the the civic si intake manifold to my euro. there's no need to do anything to the ecu yeah? it will re learn itself?
yeh, direct bolt on. Wait for ECU....

just need to drain a bit of your coolant otherwise you'll have it leaking inside your engine bay.

[EUR003act]

Just wondering... why is the idle RPM so high? high cams?

bigger throttle body...

for example:

10% throttle on the stock TB might be 50cfm

10% throttle on 64mm TB might be 80cfm

so until the ecu learns that it doesnt need to open up so much at idle, itll rev higher...

[TODA AU]

found out something interesting today...

when the engine temp is below 30degree C - VTEC will not engage :eek:

lol and no, i wasnt revving the sh*t out of a cold engine, the engine temp was actually 92degree and oil temp 85degree... ECU just thought it was cold (trying to see if on cold start the engine advances ignition / increases fuel)

hehehe :thumbsup:

Usually Honda's retard the timing on cold start & use the idle speed motor to bring the revs up.
(EG: K-Pro software, this can be disabled)
The mixtures are a little richer, but not a lot.

[TODA AU]

hey buddy :)

sorry been busy / sick :(

well i swapped back to the stock TB until i can bring it in to you to have the idle relearn done... prob wont be until next week... when i can get time :(



ok so update is:

the K20 head puts the water outlet in a different spot, so my custom made air intake now sits directly ontop of the radiator hose, meaning my intake is about 50-60degrees :( sucking in hot air = sluggish performance!

so i must make up a new intake... more time and money!

as for the stock ecu - when running with the J32A3 throttle body, the a/f ratios sit similar to what they used to, except under vtec... they used to sit around 11, they now lean out to 13.5... so im loosing power there!

im playing around with my options, i only drove it around for a day, so given more time i can see it learning... otherwise i may go piggyback ecu :zip:

Try replacing the fuel pump reg in the tank with an adjustable unit.
Though it is probably a bother to do, .5 ~ .8 of an AFR is that hard to get from a reg.

[EUR003act]

Usually Honda's retard the timing on cold start & use the idle speed motor to bring the revs up.
(EG: K-Pro software, this can be disabled)
The mixtures are a little richer, but not a lot.

Try replacing the fuel pump reg in the tank with an adjustable unit.
Though it is probably a bother to do, .5 ~ .8 of an AFR is that hard to get from a reg.


Cheers buddy!

yeah i was looking at raising the fuel pressure... or something like that...

as for the retarded timing, yeah, it didnt run aswell when it thought it was cold lol

[Euro08Jaz]

Usually Honda's retard the timing on cold start & use the idle speed motor to bring the revs up.
(EG: K-Pro software, this can be disabled)
The mixtures are a little richer, but not a lot.

so thats why my car idles at 1600 rpm in the morning

[EUR003act]

UPDATE: Using stock TB and still not running right

---------- Run Information: ----------
Run Title 11/01/08 14.847-154.98
Date and Time Nov 1 2008 7-01-05 PM
Vehicle Name CL9 ACCORD EURO
Rollout distance (cm) 30
Rollout time (sec) 0.458

---------- Race Results: ----------
Reaction Time (sec) 0
Distance Time (s) Speed (kp/h)
20 m 2.424
100 m 6.401
200 m 9.713 121.25
300 m 12.433
400 m 14.847 154.95

0-100 kp/h time 6.867

---------- Other Information: ----------
Vehicle weight (kg) 1519
Engine redline 7400
Fixed shiftpoint RPM 7300
This run was performed in Metric mode

**was performed on a private road**

[Crapdaz]

nice figures.

[EUR003act]

nice figures.

cheers buddy!

thats just a start for now... after ive got the J32A3 TB back on and sorted out the leaning out/heat issues ill get more times :thumbsup:

[Chris_F]

nice, looks like the car is still performing well even though it's still not running right

[Suntzu]

Thats awesome. How did you do these calculation in terms of spped and weight? Whats that the GPS thing?

[bennjamin]

dont believe those figures until you run at an actual track. G meters etc arent too accurate.

[Aslam]

I would be more than happy if I can run in the 14's over the quarter mile.

[EUR003act]

Thats awesome. How did you do these calculation in terms of spped and weight? Whats that the GPS thing?

yes russ, it was with the gtech pro rr... :thumbsup:


dont believe those figures until you run at an actual track. G meters etc arent too accurate.

im just using these as a rough guide... having said that tho, maybe watch these videos...

Gtech Official Accuracy Test (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ly5bGvYzOM)

Gtech PRO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFUMG8rJBzw)

[aaronng]

im just using these as a rough guide... having said that tho, maybe watch these videos...

Gtech Official Accuracy Test (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ly5bGvYzOM)

Gtech PRO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFUMG8rJBzw)
It is reasonable if you have a level flat road. But that is usually not the case, which then affects the accuracy. If you took the Gtech to a place like WSID, then it would be very accurate because of the flat road. But if you tried using the Gtech on private roads, the numbers might be skewed.

So when are you coming to WSID to compare Gtech with official timing? :p

[EUR003act]

It is reasonable if you have a level flat road. But that is usually not the case, which then affects the accuracy. If you took the Gtech to a place like WSID, then it would be very accurate because of the flat road. But if you tried using the Gtech on private roads, the numbers might be skewed.

So when are you coming to WSID to compare Gtech with official timing? :p

very true :) (note to self - do 1/4mile on steep downhill)

ummm i wont be going to WSID until ive finished work on her... im still not happy with hows shes running... and i dont even have my J32A3 TB on yet! :p lol

[johnprocter]

keep up the good work !!

[hooyn]

bump! any updates ?

[Suntzu]

Yeah whats happening! Whent he dyno? Probbaly sorting out the new TB im guessing. Hows the euc handling it?

[EUR003act]

Yeah whats happening! Whent he dyno? Probbaly sorting out the new TB im guessing. Hows the euc handling it?

lol sorry ive been swamped with work and stuff :(

havent touched the engine since when i first got it running... still got the stock TB in there so the ecu is going fine... still a lil lean at high revs tho...

ill post updates when they come :thumbsup:

[integral90]

lol sorry ive been swamped with work and stuff :(

havent touched the engine since when i first got it running... still got the stock TB in there so the ecu is going fine... still a lil lean at high revs tho...

ill post updates when they come :thumbsup:

*Grabs tissue box in anticipation*

[Suntzu]

Any updates justin? Dyno yet? Decided on ECU option etc?

Keen to hear how your doing. cheers mate

Happy New Year Ya All!

[EUR003act]

Any updates justin? Dyno yet? Decided on ECU option etc?

Keen to hear how your doing. cheers mate

Happy New Year Ya All!

lol hey guys!

sorry its been sooo long, ive been swamped with work :(

still havent got her dyno'd or decided on tuning option, although i will say, once i get the intake running cool, ill dyno her with stock ecu :D

[power_of_dreams]

following this project fairly closely.
just wondering, with the RBC do you notice alot of power gain over the stock runners? Any loss down low?

[EUR003act]

following this project fairly closely.
just wondering, with the RBC do you notice alot of power gain over the stock runners? Any loss down low?

hehe yep! youll notice a gain :D and no loss down low! :thumbsup:

[power_of_dreams]

how much of a gain are we talking?
between what rev range?

[EUR003act]

how much of a gain are we talking?
between what rev range?

approx 3-6kw atw gain accross nearly the whole mid-high rev range... euroaccord13 posted his before and after dyno... try search for it... :thumbsup:

[Suntzu]

My RBC is going great guns. Its like the motor goes into angry mode at 5000rpm when vtec kicks in ( yo). I have the jtune so thats why the vtec is at 5000rpm. Really suits the RBC having the lower engagement i reckon.

Im getting a custom single exhaust as i reckon i might gain a bit with my mods.

Cant wait to hear about the dyno with the stock ECU! Fark I wish Kpro wasnt so exxey. I really want a tune with a 45 VTC~!

[EuroAccord13]

following this project fairly closely.
just wondering, with the RBC do you notice alot of power gain over the stock runners? Any loss down low?


Here's a link to my RBC manifold being dyno tested, have a read :)

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=84361

[integral90]

Cant wait to hear about the dyno with the stock ECU! Fark I wish Kpro wasnt so exxey. I really want a tune with a 45 VTC~!

Just go Emanage and V-Manage :D

[EUR003act]

UPDATE!!!

sorry for everything taking so long guys... but it should be worth it!

anyway, the latest news is im going to trial the new RSP manifold of the JDM FN2R... its a three piece manifold thats casted with the same technology used in the NSX, it was internal velocity stacks, and a massive plenum for low down torque... here is a quick comparison between the stock RBB, the new RSP and my current RBC manifold...

please note that the RSP is missing the bottom half of the plenum, its still on order from japan... :(

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/DSCF2569Medium.jpg

i will hopefully at one stage measure and document on here the length of each manifolds runners, the width of the runners, the volume of the plenums, and other stuff like that :thumbsup: hope you guys like!

p.s these are f*@ken expensive to buy normally, around USD$800... luckily i got an awesome deal from my good mate michael from honda, otherwise i wouldnt be able to afford it lol

[johnprocter]

very nice!

[power_of_dreams]

cant wait to see how these runners go..

[Chris_F]

any chance your mate at honda can hook us up too? hehe

[ms700]

lol, if youre quick, its very possible, but you'd have to be quick, its my last day today @ Honda........

[EUR003act]

any chance your mate at honda can hook us up too? hehe

lol i wouldve loved to, but unfortunately he left honda :(

see below


lol, if youre quick, its very possible, but you'd have to be quick, its my last day today @ Honda........

today is a sad day in the history of honda australia, tomorrow i shall wear a black arm band... :honda:

[integral90]

So Justin educate me... this intake manifold has the long thin runner for torque and swaps to short fat ones for peak power?

Like... vtec intake manifold?

[Crapdaz]

can't see the image @ work, but dont the runners go from thin to thicker?

[EUR003act]

So Justin educate me... this intake manifold has the long thin runner for torque and swaps to short fat ones for peak power?

Like... vtec intake manifold?

lol nah that manifold is some weird black plastic one... dont know its code...

this one has shortish/fat runners for top end power, but they curve around slightly and go into a extremely large plenum for low end torque... plut they have these sexy individual velocity stack trumpets on each runner...

ill get more pictures soon :thumbsup:

[EUR003act]

can't see the image @ work, but dont the runners go from thin to thicker?

ill measure them tonight... they do taper a little bit... ill find out there volume and all that...

[Crapdaz]

lol nah that manifold is some weird black plastic one... dont know its code...

this one has shortish/fat runners for top end power, but they curve around slightly and go into a extremely large plenum for low end torque... plut they have these sexy individual velocity stack trumpets on each runner...

ill get more pictures soon :thumbsup:


ill measure them tonight... they do taper a little bit... ill find out there volume and all that...

justin your fkn crazy mate, wished i could do what yoru doing... but since i need to waste money on my future....i shall not blow more money on the car.... :p

lookn foward to seeing it done.

[EUR003act]

justin your fkn crazy mate, wished i could do what yoru doing... but since i need to waste money on my future....i shall not blow more money on the car.... :p

lookn foward to seeing it done.

lol im counting on finding a very well paid chick... that way i can do what ever i want :p lol

[integral90]

lol nah that manifold is some weird black plastic one... dont know its code...

It's from the R-series engine isn't it? Would it fit/work on a K with modification? Seems like a pretty awesome concept

[power_of_dreams]

lol nah that manifold is some weird black plastic one... dont know its code...

this one has shortish/fat runners for top end power, but they curve around slightly and go into a extremely large plenum for low end torque... plut they have these sexy individual velocity stack trumpets on each runner...

ill get more pictures soon :thumbsup:

driving an N/A 4 cylinder, I think it's important to get something out of the lower end. Good to see someone has the balls to experiment!

[EUR003act]

UPDATE PEOPLE!!!

so i was bored this afternoon, couldnt go out and detail Evelyn because im sunburnt :( lol so i started polishing up my RSP manifold, ive only done the velocity stacks so far, but ill eventually do the whole runners :thumbsup:

PICTURES!!! YAY!!! :D

One stack done:
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/DSCF2577Medium.jpg

Close up:
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/DSCF2578Medium.jpg

Two stack done:
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/DSCF2581Medium.jpg

[integral90]

Wouldn't the RSP come pretty polished from the factory?

[EUR003act]

Wouldn't the RSP come pretty polished from the factory?

yeah, its made with the same casting technology as the nsx... as you can see by the too unfinished stacks theres no casting marks...

but i want those babies smoother than my pick up lines.... :p

[Int3gra-T]

this is sex,

Subscribed.

[integral90]

yeah, its made with the same casting technology as the nsx... as you can see by the too unfinished stacks theres no casting marks...

but i want those babies smoother than my pick up lines.... :p

haha, I'd probably do the same thing. It wouldn't feel right driving it knowing you might be missing out on a tiny bit of power because you didn't bother doing something like that.

[EUR003act]

this is sex,

Subscribed.

lol thanks buddy! :D


haha, I'd probably do the same thing. It wouldn't feel right driving it knowing you might be missing out on a tiny bit of power because you didn't bother doing something like that.

lol this power increase will alow me to eat maccas before i do my quater mile in apposed to after! :thumbsup:

[EUR003act]

this afternoon ive been measuring up the differences between the RBC / RBB / RSP manifolds (length / width / volume)...

i wont be able to finish the comparison until i get the second half of my RSP. but i thought you might want to know early that the RBB has a total capacity of 3620cc compared to the RBCs 2800cc... :thumbsup:

Fairly big difference! and ill tell you now, thats all in the runners... plenums are nearly the same size...

[integral90]

Doesn't that 3620cc vs 2800cc difference only matter if the car can suck in >2800cc in a certain amount of time?

Like if the 2800cc RBC could be refilled with air before the car could suck in 2800cc to the chambers wouldn't the difference be pointless?

[EUR003act]

lol i have no idea how different volume / length / width / etc effects how well a manifold works lol

but i do know that bigger plenums seem to give more power... lol :thumbsup:

[Crapdaz]

lol thanks buddy! :D



lol this power increase will alow me to eat maccas before i do my quater mile in apposed to after! :thumbsup:

ROOOOOFFLLLL!!!!!


lol i have no idea how different volume / length / width / etc effects how well a manifold works lol

but i do know that bigger plenums seem to give more power... lol :thumbsup:

good come back down here so you can take me for a spin!!!

[EUR003act]

Hey guys, as promised, here are the main differences betweem these three honda OEM manifolds, I do not have dyno proof of which manifold is better for what, but hopefully this info will help some of you out! :thumbsup:

Please note I did try get these measurements as accurate as possible, but please do not crucify me if they differ slightly...


RBB
Picture:
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/DSCF2594.jpg
Cover:
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/DSCF2589.jpg
Part #: 17110-RBB-000
Engine: AUDM K24A3, USDM K24A2
Found on: AUDM 2003-2007 Accord Euro CL9, USDM 2004-2007 Acura TSX CL9
Approx price: AUD$750
Weight: 6.2kg
Throttle body opening: 60mm (with idle bypass)
Runner Length: 31.0cm
Runner width: 4.4cm (min)
Runner width: 4.8cm (max)
Individual runner volume: 492.5cc
Total runner volume: 1970cc
Plenum volume: 1650cc
Total manifold volume: 3620cc



RBC
Picture:
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/DSCF2590.jpg
Cover:
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/RBC-cover.jpg
Part #: 17100-RBC-J00
Engine: JDM K20A, USDM K20Z3
Found on: JDM 2003-2007 Euro-R CL7, USDM 2006-2007 Acura Civic Si
Approx price: AUD$550
Weight: 4.5kg
Throttle body opening: 62mm (with idle bypass)
Runner Length: 18.5cm
Runner width: 4.8cm (min)
Runner width: 5.1cm (max)
Individual runner volume: 270cc
Total runner volume: 1080cc
Plenum volume: 1720cc
Total manifold volume: 2800cc



RSP
Picture:
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/DSCF2592.jpg
Cover:
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/DSCF2588.jpg
Part #:
17100-RSP-G00
17101-RSP-G00
17102-RSP-G01
17103-RSP-G00 (yes you need all four!)
Engine: K20Z4
Found on: JDM 2007 Civic Type-R FN2
Approx price: AUD$1300
Weight: 5.6kg
Throttle body opening: 64mm (no idle bypass)
Runner Length *1: 25.5cm
Runner Length *2: 19.5cm
Runner width: 4.8cm (min)
Runner width *1: 5.8cm (max)
Runner width *2: 5.1cm (max)
Individual runner volume: 295cc
Individual velocity stack volume: 105cc
Total runner volume *1: 1600cc
Total runner volume *2: 1180cc
Plenum volume *1: 2530cc
Plenum volume *2: 2950cc
Torque Chamber volume: 800cc
Total manifold volume: 4930cc

*1 with velocity stacks fitted
*2 without velocity stacks fitted



Quick Comparison Guide:
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/Comparison-Manifolds.jpg

[integral90]

Brilliant, thank you!

From my limited understanding and looking at these numbers... is the RSP just kind of the perfect mixture of the RBB's low end and the RBC's top end? It seems like the widths and runner lengths are either the same or inbetween the two?

Or am I completely wrong and the RSP is king in every aspect?

[aaronng]

Did you mean FD2 since it is JDM? FN2 is UKDM.

[EUR003act]

Brilliant, thank you!

From my limited understanding and looking at these numbers... is the RSP just kind of the perfect mixture of the RBB's low end and the RBC's top end? It seems like the widths and runner lengths are either the same or inbetween the two?

Or am I completely wrong and the RSP is king in every aspect?

yeah the runner blueprint is the exact same on the RBC and RSP, nice and fat... its only with the velocity stacks that it increases the max width because the trumpets flare out...

yeah the RSPs plenum is like twice the size of the others, and the runners are pretty much the same length as the RBC (apart from the stacks)...

the 'torque chamber' is the coolest bit, ill explain my theory on how it works later lol


Did you mean FD2 since it is JDM? FN2 is UKDM.

ummm... not sure, lol half of the manifold came from honda aus, half came from honda japan lol ill try check up... i know for sure its off the K20Z4 tho, so whatever civic has that in it...

[johnprocter]

so RSP is the best one out of the three?

[EUR003act]

so RSP is the best one out of the three?

these are just stats/specs... how it performs i dont know...

but yes, im putting my money on the RSP as giving me the best results :p

[EUR003act]

Greddy Emanage Ultimate jumper setting for the CL9 Accord:

Disclaimer: The following is provided as a GUIDE ONLY, and neither myself nor Ozhonda take any responsibility for the outcomes of someone else doing the following. You follow these steps at your own risk!

JP01 – open
JP02 – open
JP03 – open
JP04 – open
JP05 – open
JP06 – open
JP07 – 1-2
JP08 – 1-2
JP09 – open
JP10 – 2-3
JP11 – open
JP12 – open
JP13 – closed
JP14 – closed
JP15 – 1-2
JP16 – 2-3
JP17 – closed
JP18 – open
JP19 – closed
JP20 – closed

:thumbsup:

[EUR003act]

A few of you have know this little secret for awhile, but heres the latest public update...

I have GReddy Emanage Ultimate :thumbsup: lol

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/DSCF2536Medium.jpg

[johnprocter]

ohhh yeah! whats the damage $ ?

[Crapdaz]

A few of you have know this little secret for awhile, but heres the latest public update...

I have GReddy Emanage Ultimate :thumbsup: lol

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/DSCF2536Medium.jpg
damn i thought i could have sold mine to you for $2million hahahahha!

nice man how much did it set you back budz, when's the tuning gonna be?

[aaronng]

When are you installing the RSP? Could you also let us know how the AF ratio is going from RBB to RBC and then RSP on the stock ECU?

[EUR003act]

damn i thought i could have sold mine to you for $2million hahahahha!

nice man how much did it set you back budz, when's the tuning gonna be?

luckily i bought it before the australian dollar dropped too far, ive had it for about 3months lol, just been keeping it quiet :p

im probably going to come up to sydney and get adrian from TODA racing to tune it for me... :thumbsup:


When are you installing the RSP? Could you also let us know how the AF ratio is going from RBB to RBC and then RSP on the stock ECU?

i can do that for you aaron :p i have a/f ratios off my dyno runs before i went RBC, and then i have a full RBC a/f log before and after i did the head change.... once i install the RSP ill do another dyno run and a/f log to see how the stock ecu copes :thumbsup:

[Min988]

Nice e-manage, When my euro grows up it wants to be just like yours. In Justin we trust.:love:

[EUR003act]

Nice e-manage, When my euro grows up it wants to be just like yours. In Justin we trust.:love:

hahahaha thanks buddy!

you coming on the batemans bay cruise?

[EUR003act]

UPDATE:

Im thinking about installing a PNN4 transmission out of a 2007+ Civic Si into my car, it comes stock with 1.5 way LSD, and 4.7 Final drive... Not to mention the fact its got alot shorter 2nd gear, to fix up that massive acceleration gap the AUDM CL9 suffers from.

I also did some rough calculations on the top speeds in each gear between the K24A3 transmission, and the K20Z3 transmission...


K24A3 - - - - - K20Z3
---------------------
59km/hr - 1st - 54km/hr
104km/hr - 2nd - 83km/hr
142km/hr - 3rd - 116km/hr
187km/hr - 4th - 154km/hr
233km/hr - 5th - 192km/hr
261km/hr - 6th - 269km/hr

[integral90]

UPDATE:

Im thinking about installing a PNN4 transmission out of a 2007+ Civic Si into my car, it comes stock with 1.5 way LSD, and 4.7 Final drive... Not to mention the fact its got alot shorter 2nd gear, to fix up that massive acceleration gap the AUDM CL9 suffers from.

I also did some rough calculations on the top speeds in each gear between the K24A3 transmission, and the K20Z3 transmission...


K24A3 - - - - - K20Z3
---------------------
59km/hr - 1st - 54km/hr
104km/hr - 2nd - 83km/hr
142km/hr - 3rd - 116km/hr
187km/hr - 4th - 154km/hr
233km/hr - 5th - 192km/hr
261km/hr - 6th - 269km/hr

Awesome! Finally someone is gonna fix that sorry excuse for a 2nd gear the Euro has. I was always complaining about it, but now with RBC it's 10x worse - traumatising even. How much can you pick them up for man? I'd be very interested. But also, doesn't the K20Z3 redline at 8000rpm stock? So all those top speeds you estimated be even lower because the K24 only revs to 7200rpm yeah?

Or maybe you've already taken that into account :o

[aaronng]

UPDATE:

Im thinking about installing a PNN4 transmission out of a 2007+ Civic Si into my car, it comes stock with 1.5 way LSD, and 4.7 Final drive... Not to mention the fact its got alot shorter 2nd gear, to fix up that massive acceleration gap the AUDM CL9 suffers from.

I also did some rough calculations on the top speeds in each gear between the K24A3 transmission, and the K20Z3 transmission...


K24A3 - - - - - K20Z3
---------------------
59km/hr - 1st - 54km/hr
104km/hr - 2nd - 83km/hr
142km/hr - 3rd - 116km/hr
187km/hr - 4th - 154km/hr
233km/hr - 5th - 192km/hr
261km/hr - 6th - 269km/hr

Check if the Si's transmission case lines up with the passenger side engine mount. I've read in another thread that DC5 and Euro are different, and it should be the case for Si as well.

[EUR003act]

Awesome! Finally someone is gonna fix that sorry excuse for a 2nd gear the Euro has. I was always complaining about it, but now with RBC it's 10x worse - traumatising even. How much can you pick them up for man? I'd be very interested. But also, doesn't the K20Z3 redline at 8000rpm stock? So all those top speeds you estimated be even lower because the K24 only revs to 7200rpm yeah?

Or maybe you've already taken that into account :o

those top speeds are all calculated on my 225/45/18s at 7400rpm rev limit (stock) :thumbsup: :p

yeah the stock 2nd is shithouse... unless you smash 1st all the way to redline, it takes way to long to get her revving again... and if your taking a corner about 50-60km/hr in 2nd, omg talk about slow acceleration after it!

ill send you a PM on price... lets just say 70kg overseas shipping is nearly more than the whole tranny! :(


Check if the Si's transmission case lines up with the passenger side engine mount. I've read in another thread that DC5 and Euro are different, and it should be the case for Si as well.

i spoke to a guy in US who has one in his TSX... worst case senario ill swap the gears into my K24 tranny case, or custom fabricate a mount...

the only issue i was concerned was with the shifter cables matching up, ive heard guys swapping them into rsx/integras not being able to shift into 3rd properly... but the tsx guy said his matches fine :)

[TODA AU]

worst case senario ill swap the gears into my K24 tranny case

I think this is the way you're going to go...
You'll have no problem, you've proved to be pretty handy with the spanners so far... :thumbsup:

[integral90]

Should be interesting to see how much quicker it will make the 1/4 quicker as you'll have to make another shift vs. the K24a3 box but the ratios will be much better suited to the power. Please do a before and after 1/4 run!!!

[tony1234]

I think this is the way you're going to go...
You'll have no problem, you've proved to be pretty handy with the spanners so far... :thumbsup:
Is the gear swap really worth it?I don't find 2nd gear too bad,particularly after fitting the Comptech headers.What would be the approx.cost of getting this done Adrian?

[integral90]

Is the gear swap really worth it?I don't find 2nd gear too bad,particularly after fitting the Comptech headers.What would be the approx.cost of getting this done Adrian?

Remember Justin has the RBC which shifts the power up a bit. 2nd is just bareable with the stock torque curve but it's terrible with the RBC, it bogs so hard into the gear and it's an awkward wait for it to get back up to around 5500rpm :p

[EUR003act]

I think this is the way you're going to go...
You'll have no problem, you've proved to be pretty handy with the spanners so far... :thumbsup:

lol thanks buddy... yeah talking to a few people looks like a my need to do this... might even be something i come up to sydney and get you to do for me :p


Is the gear swap really worth it?I don't find 2nd gear too bad,particularly after fitting the Comptech headers.What would be the approx.cost of getting this done Adrian?

on the track, taking a sharp corner at about 40-50km/hr your going to be in second, it takes way to long to then jump up to 100km/hr for your shift into 3rd...

i was originally just going to buy the 4.7FD and LSD... but it was pretty much the same price for the entire transmission as for just those two parts :p

a little more labour involved, but im going to do lightweight fly and clutch at the same time, probably main rear seal aswell :thumbsup:

[TODA AU]

Is the gear swap really worth it?I don't find 2nd gear too bad,particularly after fitting the Comptech headers.What would be the approx.cost of getting this done Adrian?

It'll certainly be quicker,
But at the expense of fuel economy in the lower gears.
If it's a track car or used on the drag strip, it'd probably pay off with quicker times.
For a roadie, it'd likley see you get a ticket sooner rather than later cause you'll want to rev it. LOL
PM me for a price, I'll annoy too many people if I open quote in threads. :p

[integral90]

It'll certainly be quicker,
But at the expense of fuel economy in the lower gears.
If it's a track car or used on the drag strip, it'd probably pay off with quicker times.
For a roadie, it'd likley see you get a ticket sooner rather than later cause you'll want to rev it. LOL
PM me for a price, I'll annoy too many people if I open quote in threads. :p

Could you send me a PM in regard to which other gearboxes would fit/you'd recommend for a CL9? :wave:

[tony1234]

It'll certainly be quicker,
But at the expense of fuel economy in the lower gears.
If it's a track car or used on the drag strip, it'd probably pay off with quicker times.
For a roadie, it'd likley see you get a ticket sooner rather than later cause you'll want to rev it. LOL
PM me for a price, I'll annoy too many people if I open quote in threads. :p
Nah,i just wanted to know just out of curiosity.:D

[EUR003act]

UPDATE:

Just purchased this:

2008 USDM Civic Si 6sp MANUAL K20Z3 transmission

http://i12.ebayimg.com/03/i/001/32/08/813a_1.JPG

http://i5.ebayimg.com/01/i/001/32/08/812f_1.JPG

Gear ratios:
1st - 3.266
2nd - 2.13
3rd - 1.517
4th - 1.147
5th - 0.921
6th - 0.659
Reverse - 3.583
Final Drive - 4.764

With stock LSD :D

[tony1234]

UPDATE:

Just purchased this:

2008 USDM Civic Si 6sp MANUAL K20Z3 transmission

http://i12.ebayimg.com/03/i/001/32/08/813a_1.JPG

http://i5.ebayimg.com/01/i/001/32/08/812f_1.JPG

Gear ratios:
1st - 3.266
2nd - 2.13
3rd - 1.517
4th - 1.147
5th - 0.921
6th - 0.659
Reverse - 3.583
Final Drive - 4.764

With stock LSD :D
How much that cost?Will it fit in the Euro or do you have to modify 1 or some of the mounts.

[EUR003act]

How much that cost?Will it fit in the Euro or do you have to modify 1 or some of the mounts.

USD$780...

not sure yet, lol ill let you know once it arrives... if it doesnt fit, ill just swap the guts of it into my stock transmission case... sleeper gearbox! :thumbsup:

[power_of_dreams]

crazy 0_0

[giant_mongrel]

i got it right first

i bet you've been reading those acurazine threads using the 06 Si trans in their turbo experiments...

[integral90]

Can't wait for you to come up and run a 14.5 :D

Any word on RSP?

[BusterSonic12]

USD$780...

not sure yet, lol ill let you know once it arrives... if it doesnt fit, ill just swap the guts of it into my stock transmission case... sleeper gearbox! :thumbsup:

is it a rare used part to find? that's pretty good price since you get the 4.7FD with it and LSD as well :thumbsup:

[krogoth]

nice J

have u trial fitted yet????????????????

[EUR003act]

is it a rare used part to find? that's pretty good price since you get the 4.7FD with it and LSD as well :thumbsup:

i found two, mine which had 4oookms and another with 8oookm... both were around USD$1000... had to bargain my way down lol

yeah well the aftermarket LSD was around USD$500 and the FD around USD$300... so i was pretty happy :D

the only killer is shipping... :(


Can't wait for you to come up and run a 14.5 :D

Any word on RSP?

hehe im hoping for low 14s...

RSP - not yet, been working too much this week :(


nice J

have u trial fitted yet????????????????

havent got it yet, its sitting at the airport in US...

[tony1234]

How much was the shipping?

[EUR003act]

How much was the shipping?

USD$720 UPS expedited... that includes all customs fees and broker fees... direct to my door... i wont pay tax on it, if you wanna know why PM me...

57kgs... :eek:

[yfin]

Modding is like a drug - I think you are addicted! Great thread to folllow.

[EUR003act]

Modding is like a drug - I think you are addicted! Great thread to folllow.

lol its so true... and im too impulsive for my own good :( lol

thanks buddy

[integral90]

USD$720 UPS expedited... that includes all customs fees and broker fees... direct to my door... i wont pay tax on it, if you wanna know why PM me...

57kgs... :eek:

Could you PM me too? I wanna do gearbox soon-ish

[STiR]

You simply won't pay tax on it as it's under $1000 of personal effects or replacement auto parts etc.

[EUR003act]

UPDATE!!

Transmission arrived this morning, damn UPS is quick! and no customs hassles! :p

Damn that thing is heavy!
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/DSCF2643Medium.jpg

It was seriously like pass the parcel! :thumbsup:
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/DSCF2644Medium.jpg

8 boxes later!!
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/DSCF2645Medium.jpg

Mmmmmm
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/DSCF2652Medium.jpg

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/DSCF2651Medium.jpg

[krogoth]

lol fk

how did u get that out of the box??

surely u just removed the boxes from around it rather than lift it up??

it has to weigh at least 60kgs id imagine, lol

[blueuro]

nice thread man i started reading bit to late but very fair behind... i jsut a have a quick question on ur head light how did u do it... what did u use to black out?? im getting black rims and 5% tint on widnows and think headlight s would ba nice touch.. neways good read man.. sounds like a great car

[Thewhiteluxact]

Hey Juzzy,

Whats the chances of this being in by the 21st?

Cheers

Zane

[EUR003act]

lol fk

how did u get that out of the box??

surely u just removed the boxes from around it rather than lift it up??

it has to weigh at least 60kgs id imagine, lol

lol very close... 125pounds... about 56-57kg... :thumbsup:

yeah i kinda destroyed the boxes around it.... then carried it somewhere safe lol


nice thread man i started reading bit to late but very fair behind... i jsut a have a quick question on ur head light how did u do it... what did u use to black out?? im getting black rims and 5% tint on widnows and think headlight s would ba nice touch.. neways good read man.. sounds like a great car

i used a plastic primer first, then krylon ultra matt black...


Hey Juzzy,

Whats the chances of this being in by the 21st?

Cheers

Zane

hey buddy!!!

prob wont be in by then... RSP manifold will be tho...

and possibly a tune... :p

[integral90]

prob wont be in by then... RSP manifold will be tho...

and possibly a tune... :p

Wanna bring the car up and time it so I get my car dynoed the same day you get yours tuned? Would love to be there when your car gets tuned :D

[EUR003act]

Wanna bring the car up and time it so I get my car dynoed the same day you get yours tuned? Would love to be there when your car gets tuned :D

sounds good to me! :)

once i got the tranny in im going to wakefield... you should come to that too!

you coming down for batemans bay cruise?

[integral90]

sounds good to me! :)

once i got the tranny in im going to wakefield... you should come to that too!

you coming down for batemans bay cruise?

If the intake all works out I should be dynoing next Saturday for the cheaper cost, if you could make that? :D

Man I'd love to come and watch you at Wakey, lemme know if you want an extra driver :p

I'm 99% certain on the Bateman's bay cruise. But knowing my luck the car will get rear ended/roll into a pole a few days before the cruise... touch wood.

[aaronng]

sounds good to me! :)

once i got the tranny in im going to wakefield... you should come to that too!


Let me know when you are going to Wakefield and I will try to make it too.

[Crapdaz]

Let me know when you are going to Wakefield and I will try to make it too.
agreed me 3.....i will rip my front bumper off @ WP and end up with mugen front lipkit....

[integral90]

Anyone wanna take bets on what Justin will run? I think 1:17?

[Crapdaz]

1:15?

[BusterSonic12]

you think only 1:17? lol even aaron doing something close to that with just hotair sri, leaking coilovers. So i would expect much more from it.

[aaronng]

you think only 1:17? lol even aaron doing something close to that with just hotair sri, leaking coilovers. So i would expect much more from it.

I did 1:17.2 with my shitty car and 205/55 R16 stockie wheels. Hahhahahah So Justin should beat that easily.

[EUR003act]

im aiming for 1:15 and under :p

[integral90]

I did 1:17.2 with my shitty car and 205/55 R16 stockie wheels. Hahhahahah So Justin should beat that easily.

I'm just factoring in your proper coilovers and experience. To me knowing the track means more than anything.

[EUR003act]

I'm just factoring in your proper coilovers and experience. To me knowing the track means more than anything.

lol i agree, im not going to tell you guys my first few attempts :p lol

[integral90]

lol i agree, im not going to tell you guys my first few attempts :p lol

Have you been on a track before? When I took the Euro to WP even on my second session the car was only doing like 1:28, I cut down to 1:19.1 by the end of that day.

Next time I went to WP I drove another guy's EK, d-series non-vtec, just coilovers, intake and muffler. Managed a mid to low 1:18, can't remember the exact number.

But your car should be a rocket around the fish hook and the hairpin before the straight!

[aaronng]

I'm just factoring in your proper coilovers and experience. To me knowing the track means more than anything.

Says the guy who got 1:19 on a stock Euro with OEM Bridgestone and only RSB on his first try. :p My first try was 1:22.5. ahhaha

[Crapdaz]

rofl at least you didn't epic fail like my on 1.25.7 for first time. :p

[aaronng]

rofl at least you didn't epic fail like my on 1.25.7 for first time. :p

Maybe that's because my car wasn't lowered and I didn't have to worry about my non-existent lip kit rubbing along the road during hard cornering. :p Plus on my stock rims, I can fly off track and not have any "gutter marks"

[EuroAccord13]

It's getting OT.... OT... OT ... OT..... OT...
Aaron is such a bad influence!

[integral90]

Says the guy who got 1:19 on a stock Euro with OEM Bridgestone and only RSB on his first try. :p My first try was 1:22.5. ahhaha

:p Does this mean I'm allowed to drive yours?

[Crapdaz]

Maybe that's because my car wasn't lowered and I didn't have to worry about my non-existent lip kit rubbing along the road during hard cornering. :p Plus on my stock rims, I can fly off track and not have any "gutter marks"
hahaha yeh no worries if i rip my luckstar rep and have no further damage respray stock bar + mugen lipkit.


It's getting OT.... OT... OT ... OT..... OT...
Aaron is such a bad influence!
ROFL he is should ban him for making us addicted!


:p Does this mean I'm allowed to drive yours?

Still need to show me the best lines cause i missed out on my first time.

[integral90]

Still need to show me the best lines cause i missed out on my first time.

I'll write up a little diagram of the track if you want. I can only write the lines I take, no idea if they're right or wrong...

[Crapdaz]

I'll write up a little diagram of the track if you want. I can only write the lines I take, no idea if they're right or wrong...
grab the track diagram from www.wakefield.com.au (http://www.wakefield.com.au) or something and draw the line on the track hahaha :p

thanks liam.

[integral90]

grab the track diagram from www.wakefield.com.au (http://www.wakefield.com.au) or something and draw the line on the track hahaha :p

thanks liam.

I took your advice, lol. Just drew up the diagram with the lines including brake and throttle points. Also I tagged the different sections of the track with a number that I'll write corresponding bits for.

I'll just do the writing in a Word document and send it to you on msn with the image when I'm done! :wave:

[Crapdaz]

thanks man!

[aaronng]

grab the track diagram from www.wakefield.com.au (http://www.wakefield.com.au) or something and draw the line on the track hahaha :p

thanks liam.
Or watch my youtube vid

[BusterSonic12]

I took your advice, lol. Just drew up the diagram with the lines including brake and throttle points. Also I tagged the different sections of the track with a number that I'll write corresponding bits for.

I'll just do the writing in a Word document and send it to you on msn with the image when I'm done! :wave:

send me!!! :angel: leonvtec247@hotmail.com

[aaronng]

:p Does this mean I'm allowed to drive yours?

Makes no sense why you would want to drive a slower car with less grip though. :p

[integral90]

Makes no sense why you would want to drive a slower car with less grip though. :p

LSD and Tein Flex > more power :D

(let's stop hijacking thread)

[EUR003act]

UPDATE:

Firstly i'd just like to say sorry its taken me so damn long to post more info here... I've been really busy with work lately :(

Thanks to all the guys who came on the batemans bay cruise! that was good fun! and im looking forward to seeing you all again soon! (some of you next weekend :p)

Well im into what i like to call "stage2" of my build lol i dont know how many stages there are, but ill say only two for now...

here is a pic of whats going to be installed in stage2:
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/DSCF2662Large.jpg

Included:
-GReddy Emanage Ultimate (with boomslang harness)
-Comptech Engineering short shifter
-K&N rocker cover breather
-ANOTHER custom made 3" intake
-Insulated CAI piping
-2008 Civic Si K20Z3 (PNN3) transmission internals
----->including stock 1.5way LSD and 4.7final drive
-FD2R RSP intake manifold (custom polished)
-RC engineering 440cc injectors
-NGK iridium IX spark plugs
-New rear main seal
-New oil filter and oil change
-New MTF06

EDIT: Forgot to include in pic:
-reverting back to standard chrome badges (front n rear H)
-M3 style lip spoiler
-JDM euro-R service stickers (wheel specs/SRS/cooling system/etc)

Im fitting the RSP manifold hopefully early next week, then driving up to sydney early friday morning to TODA where adrian will swap the PNN3 guts into my K24 tranny case... along with another little suprise :p
Then on the saturday ill go back into TODA, where ill finally get her tuned!! yay!

The only thing i cant decide on, is whether or not to run the stock 60mm TB or put the 64mm one on... hmmmm

[BusterSonic12]

UPDATE:

Firstly i'd just like to say sorry its taken me so damn long to post more info here... I've been really busy with work lately :(

Thanks to all the guys who came on the batemans bay cruise! that was good fun! and im looking forward to seeing you all again soon! (some of you next weekend :p)

Well im into what i like to call "stage2" of my build lol i dont know how many stages there are, but ill say only two for now...

here is a pic of whats going to be installed in stage2:
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/DSCF2662Large.jpg

Included:
-GReddy Emanage Ultimate (with boomslang harness)
-Comptech Engineering short shifter
-K&N rocker cover breather
-ANOTHER custom made 3" intake
-Insulated CAI piping
-2008 Civic Si K20Z3 (PNN3) transmission internals
----->including stock 1.5way LSD and 4.7final drive
-FD2R RSP intake manifold (custom polished)
-RC engineering 440cc injectors
-NGK iridium IX spark plugs
-New rear main seal
-New oil filter and oil change
-New MTF06

Im fitting the RSP manifold hopefully early next week, then driving up to sydney early friday morning to TODA where adrian will swap the PNN3 guts into my K24 tranny case... along with another little suprise :p
Then on the saturday ill go back into TODA, where ill finally get her tuned!! yay!

The only thing i cant decide on, is whether or not to run the stock 60mm TB or put the 64mm one on... hmmmm

why u need to think 60 or 64mm TB? ofcos the 64 =) is it a tsx throttle body or custom bore stock euro TB?

[EUR003act]

why u need to think 60 or 64mm TB? ofcos the 64 =) is it a tsx throttle body or custom bore stock euro TB?

its the one off the J32A3 (acura TL)...

when its on idle is very jumpy... and doesnt cruise smoothly...

hmmmm decisions decisions

[Nepolian]

its the one off the J32A3 (acura TL)...

when its on idle is very jumpy... and doesnt cruise smoothly...

hmmmm decisions decisions

The emanage should help with that???

[EUR003act]

The emanage should help with that???

it doesnt control the idle for DBW vehicles :(

but ill take both Throttle bodies up to sydney, maybe if adrian is nice he'll let me do a run with each one ***hope adrian is reading*** hehe :thumbsup:

P.S i have your RBC, just gotta clean it up for you and ill send it off :cool:

[integral90]

its the one off the J32A3 (acura TL)...

when its on idle is very jumpy... and doesnt cruise smoothly...

hmmmm decisions decisions

Go 06+ TSX one man, no jumpiness and my warm idle is about 800rpm :thumbsup:

[EUR003act]

Go 06+ TSX one man, no jumpiness and my warm idle is about 800rpm :thumbsup:


Euro Luxury
Wakefield - 1:19.1
WSID - 13.6

HOLY SHIT DUDE DID YOU GET A 13.6 1/4 mile AT WSID IN THE EURO!?!?

what 60ft time?!?!

THATS AWESOME!

[integral90]

HOLY SHIT DUDE DID YOU GET A 13.6 1/4 mile AT WSID IN THE EURO!?!?

what 60ft time?!?!

THATS AWESOME!

LOL, nope. I just put that there to see if anyone would notice :p

WSID just confirmed to me that RBC is shit for the stock Euro redline and gearbox :( . Would be much quicker with RBB

[EUR003act]

LOL, nope. I just put that there to see if anyone would notice :p

WSID just confirmed to me that RBC is shit for the stock Euro redline and gearbox :( . Would be much quicker with RBB

hahahahahaha you bastard! lol

i noticed, i was like DAMN!!! lol

my RSP is looking soooo sexy atm, you can use the velocity stack as a mirror... lol mmmmm

[integral90]

hahahahahaha you bastard! lol

i noticed, i was like DAMN!!! lol

my RSP is looking soooo sexy atm, you can use the velocity stack as a mirror... lol mmmmm

Depending on your RSP results I might consider swapping to that too :p

Is your stock redline really 7400rpm? 'Cause mine is 7200rpm, did they change it in the 06+??

If they did you reckon it would be worth swapping a pre-06' ecu into my car to get that extra 200rpm out of the RBC's flow??

[aaronng]

hahahahahaha you bastard! lol

i noticed, i was like DAMN!!! lol

my RSP is looking soooo sexy atm, you can use the velocity stack as a mirror... lol mmmmm

The RSP is one mod that I wouldn't mind at all.

[Nepolian]

Cheap coilovers for someone!

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=111149

[EUR003act]

Depending on your RSP results I might consider swapping to that too :p

Is your stock redline really 7400rpm? 'Cause mine is 7200rpm, did they change it in the 06+??

If they did you reckon it would be worth swapping a pre-06' ecu into my car to get that extra 200rpm out of the RBC's flow??

lol yeah mine is definately 7400...

they mustve changed it then if yours is only 7200... i think the TSX only goes to 7200 aswell...?

[Crapdaz]

mine is 7200 also.

Btw after pulling the batts out after putting the greddy e ult in the car feels alot smoother;
Otherwise it might just be me and feeling bullsh1t effects but feels like it picks up alot better.

Any ideas on where to locate it? the harness wiring is bloody thick as can't tuck it.
Hurry up and put the RSP on.

[EUR003act]

mine is 7200 also.

Btw after pulling the batts out after putting the greddy e ult in the car feels alot smoother;
Otherwise it might just be me and feeling bullsh1t effects but feels like it picks up alot better.

Any ideas on where to locate it? the harness wiring is bloody thick as can't tuck it.
Hurry up and put the RSP on.

hmmmm maybe mine is only 7200?

ill use the greddy data logger to check once i install it...

yeah im stumped where to put mine aswell, possibly behind th glove box? or under it against the firewall?

did you get a CEL?

did you leave your vtec engagement on what i set it at?

[Crapdaz]

hmmmm maybe mine is only 7200?

ill use the greddy data logger to check once i install it...

yeah im stumped where to put mine aswell, possibly behind th glove box? or under it against the firewall?

did you get a CEL?

did you leave your vtec engagement on what i set it at?
I haven't checked yet.
I was in a rush to go for inspections on places to buy so i was lucky enough to stick it in.

Got there and tried to park next to the railway line rear to kerb parking and ended up scrapping so i moved to another spot and missed the inspection. :(

Surprisingly i didn't get any CEL. :) yes i left it to what you already had it set. You can feel it pull at the 5400 mark but can't hear it as loud also when you reach the 6k mark you feel it pull again more noticeably.

I am not sure whether the fuel made a difference in the smoothness but it sure feels like it since last tank i used was Vortex 98 and now is BP ult.

Anyhow if i don't talk to you this week i'll see you @ TODA on Saturday btw PM me or SMS the time your rocking up there and i'll turn up there the same time.

[EUR003act]

I haven't checked yet.
I was in a rush to go for inspections on places to buy so i was lucky enough to stick it in.

Got there and tried to park next to the railway line rear to kerb parking and ended up scrapping so i moved to another spot and missed the inspection. :(

Surprisingly i didn't get any CEL. :) yes i left it to what you already had it set. You can feel it pull at the 5400 mark but can't hear it as loud also when you reach the 6k mark you feel it pull again more noticeably.

I am not sure whether the fuel made a difference in the smoothness but it sure feels like it since last tank i used was Vortex 98 and now is BP ult.

Anyhow if i don't talk to you this week i'll see you @ TODA on Saturday btw PM me or SMS the time your rocking up there and i'll turn up there the same time.

yay! my jumper settings worked! lol

yeah im not sure whether its the stock ecu adjusting for vtec or a vtc change, but with the 5400 vtec theres still a lil kick at 6000rpm... its pretty cool, like gradual two stage vtec lol :thumbsup:

yeah ill msg you during the week after i speak to adrian!

[integral90]

yeah ill msg you during the week after i speak to adrian!

Me too!

[EUR003act]

Me too!

lol ill call your home phone buddy! :thumbsup:

[Nepolian]

Which sat are you coming up, might just meet you at toda justin :)

[integral90]

lol ill call your home phone buddy! :thumbsup:

If my dad answers say "Hello I'm Constable O'Keefe, I'm calling in regards to your vehicle's illegally high ride height. It needs to be lowered immediately, may I speak to the most frequent driver of the car"

hehehe, hahaha HAHAHAHAHA... it's all falling into place :cool:

[EUR003act]

Which sat are you coming up, might just meet you at toda justin :)

hey buddy, see here:

EURO meet and BBQ at TODA this saturday 25th April (http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=111331)

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[giant_mongrel]

can you guys come down to VIC one day... love to see them...

[EUR003act]

can you guys come down to VIC one day... love to see them...

ill let you know next time im coming down :)

prob mid/end of winter

[Nepolian]

Justin, you guys hanging around after?? You staying overnight??

[EUR003act]

Justin, you guys hanging around after?? You staying overnight??

nah im staying friday night in sydney... will head back saturday arvo tho...

will prob be at TODA till around 3pm or so tho...

[Crapdaz]

yeh around the same time for me if something doesn't pop up.

[Nepolian]

Look, Dynoday!

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2232776#post2232776

[EUR003act]

UPDATE!

Tuning results from TODA Racing...

Peak power not as high as i wanted (dynos vary so im not fussed) but definately an increase in midrange power... As you can see, im making alot more torque between 5500rpm and 6900rpm, and you can definately feel that pull!

I'll post up more info about my weekend adventures when i have time (preparing for holidays!!!)

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/DYNO-TODALarge.jpg

Big thanks goes to Adrian and Ash from TODA Australia, you guys were really good the whole time I was in Sydney... Looking forward to coming up again in a month or two... lol :thumbsup:

[felixd]

Shiii ur car is truly beast my frend

[Chris_F]

UPDATE!

Tuning results from TODA Racing...



Looks like a nice power curve!

What bolt on mods are you running again? (you have the DC5R k20 head on the car don't you?)

[aaronng]

Looks like a nice power curve!

What bolt on mods are you running again? (you have the DC5R k20 head on the car don't you?)

He's still running k24a3 cams, if I understand correctly, which makes it impressive.

[EUR003act]

Shiii ur car is truly beast my frend

thanks buddy! will be getting more power soon :)


Looks like a nice power curve!

What bolt on mods are you running again? (you have the DC5R k20 head on the car don't you?)

cheers :) the pull from around 5500 to 7000rpm is insane!

TODA headers
Comptech exhaust
Custom 3" CAI
RSP manifold
K20 head (K24A3 cams)
UR pulleys
Lightweight fly
Metal cat (300 cel)


He's still running k24a3 cams, if I understand correctly, which makes it impressive.

yerp :thumbsup:

[johnprocter]

man your car looks like one fun euro to drive LOL congrats you've put alot of effort/time/money into it and got some impressive results by the sounds of it

[EUR003act]

man your car looks like one fun euro to drive LOL congrats you've put alot of effort/time/money into it and got some impressive results by the sounds of it

thanks buddy :)

yeah, it was awesome fun, especially with the civic Si tranny.... cant wait to get it back in!

and then a few more tweaks on the system, and hopefully ill make even more power :p

[Thewhiteluxact]

Nice one Juz.

[EUR003act]

cheers f@g... :p

ive got that intake waiting for you... well actually i have two lol so you can take your pic... we'll install after i get back from QLD

[Thewhiteluxact]

cheers f@g... :p

ive got that intake waiting for you... well actually i have two lol so you can take your pic... we'll install after i get back from QLD

Nice one, I'll be in Syd this weekend for Motherday...have to do the Yum Cha bit but the weekend after that I should be free.:wave:

[integral90]

Update plz

[EKTYPR]

wow 4hours later and im finally finished...
that was one gone read and a very nice euro btw..very gutsy to do such mods not knowing the outcome, truly inspiring for people looking into modding of their own
keep the updates coming

well done mate very good read :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[EUR003act]

Update plz


wow 4hours later and im finally finished...
that was one gone read and a very nice euro btw..very gutsy to do such mods not knowing the outcome, truly inspiring for people looking into modding of their own
keep the updates coming

well done mate very good read :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

hey guys, sorry i hardly have time to come on here anymore, ill try get on more in the next few months :)

DRU, ill send your pipe soon, sorry its taken sooooooo long :(

UPDATE!!

I took Evs to JDM'FEST 2009, came first in the FWD N/A class :) unfortunately no trophy, as there was only one trophy for n/a and blown FWDs :( lost that to a supercharged 3.5L V6 magna that got 180kw....

Heres my dyno sheet:
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/dyno-1Large-1.jpg

Hope you all like :)

[damienm]

i think youre going to have to test it against my car now lol!

[ekdez]

there wasn't any other NA cars that jumped on the dyno.. LOL..
well not that i saw.. so competing against yourself i guess, congrats!

nice run tho, they almost ruined your front lip reversing onto the dyno.

[EUR003act]

there wasn't any other NA cars that jumped on the dyno.. LOL..
well not that i saw.. so competing against yourself i guess, congrats!

nice run tho, they almost ruined your front lip reversing onto the dyno.

lol there was like 10 n/a cars... i was there from 9am till 4:30pm lol

i shouldve got that trophy, i had 58kw/L compared to the magnas 51kw/L and he was forced induction, i win hands down...

PLUS the fact i beat a few of the WRX and nearly beat that evo7... for n/a thats damn good

[ekdez]

never said it wasnt good figures LOL..
i left when the red series 4 or 5 with black rims was sitting on the dyno doing jack shit.. killed the mood.
plus i was only there from that red evo which pulled 180ish to the car mentioned above.

[EUR003act]

never said it wasnt good figures LOL..
i left when the red series 4 or 5 with black rims was sitting on the dyno doing jack shit.. killed the mood.
plus i was only there from that red evo which pulled 180ish to the car mentioned above.

that red car got 369kw or something insane... damn rotaries! lol

why didnt you run your civic?

[ekdez]

cos its stock motor and intake.. only a full titanium j's 60rs. not worth it till i get i and h covered.

[johnprocter]

very impressive mate !

[EUR003act]

Hey guys!

Im finally back online, dont have an update for my car yet (havent driven her in 2 months) :( but just thought id show you two of the reasons ive been so busy :p

ON ANOTHER NOTE: All my parts in my sale thread ARE STILL FOR SALE! :D

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/16942_223609902561_645437561_315284.jpg

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/dirt.jpg

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/Picture001.jpg

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/Picture030.jpg

[racerwannabe]

welcome back...thought you've completed loss interest in euros like crapdaz and integral90...any new plans

[integral90]

welcome back...thought you've completed loss interest in euros like crapdaz and integral90...any new plans

I did a few more modifications after what I last updated in my build thread.

I think anybody who starts modifying a Euro quickly realises the limitations and complications of playing around with them.

[racerwannabe]

Liam, I'm wasn't having a go at you...I referred to you guys because you and only a few others have detailed build threads that go beyond wheels, kit and cai...

[integral90]

Haha, I didn't think you were. I just realised I seemed pissed off when I re-read that :p

The thing I've found with the Euro is that it has good potential, but you're gonna pay a lot more for that than you would on to get it with another car (such as a DC5R)

I haven't lost interest in cars, I've just concluded that I don't have the money to do a Euro properly like it deserves. My next car, however... :D

[akina]

lol @ lossing interest, its really a matter of time since buying another car for less $$ goes faster... right liam? :p

[damienm]

yeh thats why i bought a 900kg civic instead haha

[racerwannabe]

lol @ lossing interest, its really a matter of time since buying another car for less $$ goes faster... right liam? :p

Hey Alex, it's good to see you're still checking the euro section :) I saw your DC5R with the black CE28s a few months ago...looking good.

[EUR003act]

lol once i finish with the bikes, ive got a little plan for my euro ;)

as liam said, its just time and money holding me back :(

[kraiye]

lol
i'd say that sounds like about 90% of the people on here ;)
"need more time... NEED MORE MONEY!!!"

[BusterSonic12]

basically just need hondata kpro dual setup then everyone's problem resolve haha i reckon euro are awesome car =)

[akina]

Hey Alex, it's good to see you're still checking the euro section :) I saw your DC5R with the black CE28s a few months ago...looking good.

Haha, I don't very often but I saw Justin's thread so I clicked it XD
Only place I check out around here is the lounge now... lost interest :s

Thanks, but and the euro kills it in looks any day.

Whens the next meet? Need to catch up :D

[racerwannabe]

Alex i wanna know when's the next euro meet as well...man there hasnt been one since june last year :(

Dazza use to arrange all of them and now that his gone no more euro meets. I am definitely up for it :D

[EUR003act]

Haha, I don't very often but I saw Justin's thread so I clicked it XD
Only place I check out around here is the lounge now... lost interest :s

Thanks, but and the euro kills it in looks any day.

Whens the next meet? Need to catch up :D


Alex i wanna know when's the next euro meet as well...man there hasnt been one since june last year :(

Dazza use to arrange all of them and now that his gone no more euro meets. I am definitely up for it :D

haha cheers alex!

maybe we can try arrange a meet for may sometime? im always keen for a drive up to sydney (workload permitting) :thumbsup:

[BraXta]

lol come to the gong =D have a bbq at the beach lol hehe

[Ahmad's Euro]

agreed lol

[tony1234]

Yeah count me in.

[RonBurgundy]

nice project.
i´ve send you a pm :)

[raffyboy]

tuned nice man finally finished reading the whohle thread whoosh

[EUR003act]

sorry i havent replied to people, i just got back from being overseas for a month.

i will return all pm's asap :D

thanks

[RonBurgundy]

hey justin,

i´ve send you an other pm :)

[EUR003act]

Revival!!

So im finally taking my baby back up to Sydney to get the K20 gearbox finalised, after that ill take her to the drags and get some quarter mile times :) see where all this modding has got me!

[IEVAQ8]

about fukn time.....lol

[Nepolian]

Hey what gears do you have left over from your swap...? Particularly the 6th gear? U using the original K24 or K20 one?

[racerwannabe]

Time for a long overdue euro meet!

[EUR003act]

about fukn time.....lol

haha i know! lol i just hope she still starts!!


Hey what gears do you have left over from your swap...? Particularly the 6th gear? U using the original K24 or K20 one?

i think ill be using the K24 6th... Will know for sure on the install day


Time for a long overdue euro meet!

lol that could possibly be organised :)

[EUR003act]

MASSIVE UPDATE!!

So i recently purchased Greddy V-Manage to run along side my Greddy E-Manage Ultimate, I also ordered a custom made Boomslang USA harness to run all three ECUs...

See pic below:
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/Vmanage.jpg
You can see in this harness that it splits off onto two lines, one to the E-Manage Ultimate, and the other to the V-Manage :)

After finally getting around to install the two units, I updated my new tune files (which i created) and took it for a test run, to my suprise, my efforts to break the stock rev limiter WORKED!!

YES THATS RIGHT!! I TOOK MY K20/K24 FRANK ENGINE TO 8,400RPM IN MY HONDA ACCORD EURO :D

Now because i did not have my o2 sensor hooked up, or my oil pressure gauge to see what was happening under the hood at those rpm, i only did it once, as i didnt want to run it lean and fry the engine!! (I had guessed the fuelling for those revs using data from previous runs)

After connecting up my laptop and doing a data log run, i took it to just shy of 8,000RPM !!!

See picture below:
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/untitled-2.jpg
You can see where the revs (RED LINE) stumble as the stock ecu limits and the E-Manage takes over, but hopefully I can fix that up with some more tuning

I will do more runs once I've got all my sensors re-connected :)

On the V-Manage side of things, at the moment its throwing a check engine light, and its not logging VTC as planned. I will sort all of that out as soon as possible, however the only manual i have for it is all in Japanese! So its very very teadeous!

Also, my old Boomslang E-Manage Ultimate harness is up for sale :D

[felixd]

WOW !!!!!!!!!! how much cost and where to source one ? :)

[kitbkk]

Wow. Nice update!
Mind pm'ing me how much the custom harness is?
I want 45 degree VTC tooooo.

[mocchi]

Wow. Nice update!
Mind pm'ing me how much the custom harness is?
I want 45 degree VTC tooooo.

any idea where to get 45 degree VTC done?

[integral90]

I love you, Justin :)

[snYpz]

any idea where to get 45 degree VTC done?

Hytech, a company in the USA, does customise the VTC mechanism via a pin which limits the advance to 45 degrees.

[EUR003act]

WOW !!!!!!!!!! how much cost and where to source one ? :)

Got the V-Manage off eBay... ALOT cheaper than suppliers here in Aus were asking (~$700)

Only downside being I dont have the english manual :(


I love you, Justin :)

Haha cheers buddy, once i sought out the CEL ill post videos of the dash :D the needle looked crazy flicking past the 8,000 marker...

I also realised i wasnt even in VTEC when i did it (mechanism isnt active as V-Manage not yet programmed)

[mocchi]

Hytech, a company in the USA, does customise the VTC mechanism via a pin which limits the advance to 45 degrees.

shouldve made myself more clear. i meant somewhere local in melbourne.

[EUR003act]

Another UPDATE:

I've found whats chucking the Check Engine Light - The VTC actuator control from the V-Manage requires an extra GReddy part (which i cant find anywhere!) to trick the ECU into seeing the VTC solenoid connnected and functioning... Im going to test the solenoid tonight and see what its internal resistance is, then hopefully i can make my own 'tricker box' :)

Hopefully once i got it all sorted, no one will ever have to go thru this much trouble!!

[felixd]

Another UPDATE:

I've found whats chucking the Check Engine Light - The VTC actuator control from the V-Manage requires an extra GReddy part (which i cant find anywhere!) to trick the ECU into seeing the VTC solenoid connnected and functioning... Im going to test the solenoid tonight and see what its internal resistance is, then hopefully i can make my own 'tricker box' :)

Hopefully once i got it all sorted, no one will ever have to go thru this much trouble!!

Ur awsome brother we need more person like u :)

[kitbkk]

^yes. justin is the man mang!


shouldve made myself more clear. i meant somewhere local in melbourne.
Pretty sure Racing Projects in Mitcham can do it if you bring this pic
http://www.hondata.com/images/tsxtuning/vtc_small.jpg

[integral90]

Haha cheers buddy, once i sought out the CEL ill post videos of the dash :D the needle looked crazy flicking past the 8,000 marker...

Do you want me to take some footage of the car when you bring it up and edit a little video together?

[EUR003act]

Ur awsome brother we need more person like u :)


^yes. justin is the man mang!

Cheers guys! Im just sorry this has taken me sooooo long!! Glad its finally coming back together tho :)


Do you want me to take some footage of the car when you bring it up and edit a little video together?

You can indeed!

I would love some pictures, videos of my car while im driving it lol because i never get to see it driving lol only from the inside :)

[EUR003act]

Unfortunately I never get to drive my girl anymore... only put 2,800km in the last two years on her... sooooo...

Car is up for sale guys...

Will part out anything you want...

SERIOUS BUYERS ONLY!! Youve all seen the money that has gone into this car...

[marquee]

Part out completely or just mods if evrything ill take your headunit if not ill swap your lights with mine if yours aren't hid and ill take your grill if pre facelift

[EUR003act]

I'll part out absolutely everything aslong as you give me the stock to swap back in.

Yes you can buy my headunit, aslong as yours still works now problems?

***I will post up a complete list of parts for sale shortly***

Someone buy my engine??

[EUR003act]

2003 Honda CL9 Accord Euro

Body:
JDM CL7 Euro-R front grille
JDM CL7 Euro-R emblem front grille badge
JDM CL7 Euro-R emblem rear badge
Honda OEM MY07 boot lid
Honda OEM MY07 tail lights
Honda OEM MY07 windscreen wipers
Honda OEM side skirts
Honda OEM rear under lip
MUGEN front under spoiler
Custom painted Silver bonnet trim
Custom black front bar grille
Custom black JDM style headlights
Custom black parklight lenses
Custom clear front indicators

Interior:
Honda genuine metallic silver dash trim
Honda genuine footrest and accelerator pedals
MUGEN brake and clutch pedals
JDM DC5 Type-R gearknob
JDM EP3 Type-R red ‘H’ Key Backplate
SABER 60mm blackout oil pressure gauge
SABER 60mm blackout oil temp gauge
DRiFT 60mm black gauge cups
LC-1 wideband digital air/fuel gauge with data logger
KP Technologies window auto close module
KP Technologies alarm module

Performance:
Unorthadox Racing lightened/underdrive pulley set
Gates Micro-V high performance belt
TODA Racing CL7 EuroR headers
Metal Hi Flow catalytic converter
Comptech USA cat-back 2.5inch exhaust
-Custom flange matched to 60mm TODA pipe
Acura RSX Type-S K20Z1 cylinder head
-Portflow USA port and polished
-Full radius competition exhaust valve job
-Multi-angle competition intake valve job
-De-shrouded valves & polished chambers
-Surfaced deck to mirror finish
-Brass valve guides
Acura RSX Type-S K20Z1 valve springs
Acura RSX Type-S K20Z1 retainers
Acura RSX Type-S K20Z1 valves
Honda OEM CL9 25 degree VTC actuator
JDM Honda Type-R K20A camshafts
Cometic 0.030” competition headgasket
APR K20/K24 competition headstuds
JDM RSP intake manifold
-Ported plenum inlet to 66mm
-Blended/Polished plenum
-Full runner port work/port matched
-Blended Runners
-Custom modded to fit J32A3 throttle body
-Custom modded to fit K20Z1 block
Acura TL J32A3 64mm electronic throttle body
-Ported 68mm inlet and 66mm outlet
-Polished butterfly and chamber
-Custom modded to fit RBC manifold
Power Rev Racing K20A3 thermal intake manifold gasket
Power Rev Racing K20A3 throttle body spacer
-Ported to 66mm
Autobahn88 Racing silicon CL7 Euro-R radiator hoses
MUGEN 1.3bar competition radiator cap
Custom throttle body coolant bypass
Custom made 66mm K20A/J32A3 throttle body gaskets
Custom made 3inch aluminium short ram intake and cold air intake
K&N 3inch inlet 6.5inch hi flow pod filter

Engine Bay:
JDM CL7 Euro-R red rocker cover
JDM CL7 Euro-R spark plug cover
JDM CL7 Euro-R engine cover
JDM CL7 Euro-R bulkhead cover
SPOON Racing reservoir covers
MUGEN K20/K24 oil cap
GReddy oil sandwich plate adapter
Custom oil catch can

Suspension / Wheels / Brakes:
18” Advanti Blade 7.5” rims
BF Goodrich 225/40R18 SP sport tyres
Brembo cross drilled and slotted front rotors
Brembo cross drilled and slotted rear rotors
AXXIS ceramic composite brake pads
Custom painted ‘Racing Red’ callipers
Whiteline 18mm rear sway bar
Energy Suspension polyurethane front sway bar bushes
Energy Suspension polyurethane rear sway bar bushes
Pedders super low springs
Aluminium front strut bar


Lighting / Audio
OSRAM 6000k D2S HID globes
Phillips 5000k H11 driving light globes
Phillips silver vision chrome indicator globes
ORACLE 8000k angel eyes kit
LED replacement globes throughout interior
Custom red and white LED centre console
Custom red and white LED buttons and switches
Custom 16 LED centre mount brake light
XCarLink Accord Euro MP3 module
2x ALPINE Type-R 12” subwoofers
2x Response 500WRMS amplifiers
Redtop 650CCA battery
Custom engine earthing kit
Custom boot sound deadening

[marquee]

Do you want stock engine? If so how much for swaps and what you using to tune it?

[monkii]

pm sent !

[EUR003act]

If you organise and pay for the engine swap, you can have it for $2000.ONO
Engine also has:
Exedy Racing Clutch
Exedy lightweight flywheel
1.5 way LSD
Portflow USA K20 head

Im using Greddy emanage to tune, i also have vmanage but never got around to tuning it

[MingZai]

pm replieddd !!!

[EUR003act]

hi all. I am away until first week of october.

Then the selling will continue.

Thankyou

[MingZai]

no wonder you haven't been replying me :(