5th gen VTiR Prelude vs. DC2 Integra

[Chronos]

Guys, i seek your wisdome regarding these two cars. Comfort, performance, mods, etc.

On paper, i know the prelude is faster. What about in real life? On a track, In a straight line, how do they match up?

I know similar questions have been asked in the past, but i am more interested in prelude vs integra specific facts.

Thanks everyone,
Dim :)

[redliner]

well, like on paper stock vs stock prelude out-match integra in comfort because that what they were designed for. Performance wise it will outrun the integra, but i dont think it will much anywayz...
On a straight, because integra lighter it might get ahead but the lude catch up easy.
I havent seen integra on track yet, but i seen the lude atts on the track n they are awsome on corners.
They are both gd cars, no bias feeling toward both. :)

[SiR JDM]

If its JDM i say dc2 but im being bias.

Ive sat in both cars and both are very sweet cars.
I think the ITR is a more balanced car and would be slightly better for track...
But the gen5 are a hot daily car and a cruiser, and the power is there if needed... its hard to split the 2

[ginganggooly]

my experience tells me that the dc2 vti-r is marginally quicker than a 5th gen in a straight line... i don't know how they'd fare on the track, but i vaguely remember a wheels test where a 4th gen prelude did eastern creek in 1:59, a stock dc2 vti-r integra vti-r can do it in 2:02- the thing is that the prelude had mark skaife or kevin bartlett at the wheel, and i was driving my dc2 ;)
i wouldn't say i was even remotely in the same ballpark as those drivers, so i guess it would be safe to assume that the two cars are pretty evenly matched on the track.

[Type R Positive]

The stock ITR is faster than lude vtir

There is heaps of mods for both, I would be alot more happy with the teg, but more comfortable in the lude. I had a 2000 ITR, pretty even mach in straight line with lude vtir, until hit 3rd. ITR pulls away.

[McChook]

ITR wins on weight and gear ratio - Lude wins on comfort while keeping close and torque.....

And from experience, prelude chops teg VTiR in straight line - my first ever drag was a Teg VTiR - close, but still won

[Type R Positive]

I'd agree with that!

[ginganggooly]

oh well, i'm up for a little testing in the name of science. any takers from the 5th gen mob?

[McChook]

oh well, i'm up for a little testing in the name of science. any takers from the 5th gen mob?
Find a pair of absolutely stock cars, and then we are right - can't use my car, definitely can't use your's....

[ginganggooly]

i's still a b18c at this point hehehe
so i reckon it's be okay. you got a power fc now?
i think we have fairly similar mods.

[McChook]

i's still a b18c at this point hehehe
so i reckon it's be okay. you got a power fc now?
i think we have fairly similar mods.
Lets wait til I have a clutch, headers and hondata... finished
NO A.P.FC.. never got a chance to try it

[bluebird]

I've got a dead stock DC2 Integra VTiR. Find me a dead stock 5th gen VTiR Prelude, and i'll be up for it :)

[McChook]

I've got a dead stock DC2 Integra VTiR. Find me a dead stock 5th gen VTiR Prelude, and i'll be up for it :)
I'd say yes, I've only got mugen cat back, panel filter and type S intake... but no clutch, and when I do the clutch it'll have a grippy number in there

[[XsCaPe]]

ive got a stock vtir dc2 & im willing to race in the name of science..

i can chop my mate's 5th gen vtir lude, although his is the tiptronic auto..

[h22a accord]

mc chook, where the hell did u get a hold of a type s intake? I want one too.

[bmorr]

']ive got a stock vtir dc2 & im willing to race in the name of science..

i can chop my mate's 5th gen vtir lude, although his is the tiptronic auto..

are the tips really that much slower???

[McChook]

are the tips really that much slower???
They have a low load up point - can;t do 5000rpm launches like ya can in the manual - and believe me, 5000rpm launches in the prelude woop ass.

They also change slower and have longer ratios

[McChook]

mc chook, where the hell did u get a hold of a type s intake? I want one too.
Remind me later today and I will PM you the site

[bmorr]

They have a low load up point - can;t do 5000rpm launches like ya can in the manual - and believe me, 5000rpm launches in the prelude woop ass.

They also change slower and have longer ratios

so what would be the diff 0-100

i know da manuals do around 7.9sec

[McChook]

so what would be the diff 0-100

i know da manuals do around 7.9sec
I dunno

And I don't know if 5th gens do 7.9

I say take them to the drags and do a 1/4 test

[THRUST]

The Vtir Prelude would beat all the Integras in a straight line except the Type R. Vtir Prelude vs Type R and the lude would get the jump on the line to due to more torque, but after 2nd the Type R would walk all over it.

Also the Type R would beat the lude quite easily at the track.

More info at http://www.ntpog.org/articles/magazines/battle.pdf

Also I have a pretty much stock Vtir Prelude, so in the name of science PM and maybe we can organise a run. I'm in Melbourne :wave:

[ginganggooly]

are the tips really that much slower???

yep, i went to a dyno day that had a stock auto 5th gen vti-r, he pulled 81 at the wheels, my car pulled 89- not forgetting the extra mass either.

[Creative]

Sounds about right.....90kw atw here with i/h/e and vafc tuned on an auto 5th gen lude :)

Your losing 10kw no questions asked being Auto compared to if I was manual....kinda annoying...but oh well :)

[McChook]

Mine made 93.6 on the dyno stock, but the aftermath was that the dyno was out on the day - 4th gen made 98kw, so I expect the 5th gen would be around the same as I believe the 4th gear ratios are almost exactly the same

[joneblaze]

Stock Preludes Vs Integras huh?
Can shithouse GSi's take part too? Or have I been banned after last summer? :)
Interesting that a stock Prelude VTiR is so much faster than all Integras bar an ITR.
I distinctly remember chewing the absolute **** out of a stock 5th Gen Lude time and time again. I was extremely surprised.
Must definitely be the drivers. Or perhaps gradient of the slope....or perhaps bad timing...or perhaps shitty tyres...anybody for a cold/overheated clutch?

All talk and no play....

*hurries back to dling asian porn and playing PC games*

[Ironfist]

My stock vtir teg went up against a 5th gen vtir lude with air filter donno if he had exhaust. I got a better launch then him and was half a car infront of him and that's were it stayed till 100.

[toE]

I dunno about you bois, but IMO traffic light drags, on-street drags do no count and cannot and will not justify which car is the better.

If you want to find out, do it on a blackstrip, in an enclosed and controlled environment, and on balck-and-white.

As for the topic, with stock forms of both models, find out the power-to-weight ratio, and that should derive a better theoretical answer.

If you want practical comparisons, google it, or email BMI to do a comparison ;)

[McChook]

Stock Preludes Vs Integras huh?
Can shithouse GSi's take part too? Or have I been banned after last summer? :)
Interesting that a stock Prelude VTiR is so much faster than all Integras bar an ITR.
I distinctly remember chewing the absolute **** out of a stock 5th Gen Lude time and time again. I was extremely surprised.
Must definitely be the drivers. Or perhaps gradient of the slope....or perhaps bad timing...or perhaps shitty tyres...anybody for a cold/overheated clutch?

All talk and no play....

*hurries back to dling asian porn and playing PC games*
Considering I'd only owned the car for a month (hadn't really worked it out) and the clutch was cooked... standard 110,000km original suspension (front end was in the air) and the tyres were badler than an eagle with bad camber
Oh, and as always Jon, welcome to take me on anytime.

Against Totti in his old VTiR, I was a good 1/2 length on him til 120ish... and that wasn't a stock VTiR teg

[fried]

can i play?!


mcchook, jone's car was ALSO stock form, with ALOT more kms on the clock, older car, no vteck (lol) and also a very cooked clutch. so umm yes.. lol

lets all play!!! w00t w00t

[McChook]

can i play?!


mcchook, jone's car was ALSO stock form, with ALOT more kms on the clock, older car, no vteck (lol) and also a very cooked clutch. so umm yes.. lol

lets all play!!! w00t w00t
Pretty sure it had an exhaust (????? was a while ago) and was atleast lowered - might be wrong

Either way, I'm always open to challenges - just let the clutch n LSD go in this week, then its a free for all.

I say pick a wednesday, and hit WSID

[h22a accord]

mine made 110kw at the wheels.

[joneblaze]

Pretty sure it had an exhaust (????? was a while ago) and was atleast lowered - might be wrong

Either way, I'm always open to challenges - just let the clutch n LSD go in this week, then its a free for all.

I say pick a wednesday, and hit WSID

My non-VTEC GSi was, and basically still is, tock. At that stage I was into a 3rd week of waiting for my new clutch to arrive at Advan, so I was running on a non existant clutch. Yes, my car is lowered.

What's the use of waiting for your clutch and LSD? I thought the topic of discussion was "stock" Prelude VTiR Vs. stock Integra VTiR.
I merely mentioned I found it odd a Prelude VTiR kept losing to my GSi.
Complaints of clutch/gradient/stock condition are really irrelevant.
I also find it hard to believe Totti's ex red VTiR was that slow. :)

[McChook]

My non-VTEC GSi was, and basically still is, tock. At that stage I was into a 3rd week of waiting for my new clutch to arrive at Advan, so I was running on a non existant clutch. Yes, my car is lowered.

What's the use of waiting for your clutch and LSD? I thought the topic of discussion was "stock" Prelude VTiR Vs. stock Integra VTiR.
I merely mentioned I found it odd a Prelude VTiR kept losing to my GSi.
Complaints of clutch/gradient/stock condition are really irrelevant.
I also find it hard to believe Totti's ex red VTiR was that slow. :)

Clutch will be stock replacement (as far as I know, up to Robbie really), LSD shouldn't effect straight line racing. The clutch pick up point is so far up, it is extremely hard to drive.
On my standard boat suspension (which was dead), the ass squated so much, the front wheels never got any grip - and I was trying too hard and continually ****ed up - yes, driver made more difference than anything, as is so often the case.

You saw how many times I ****ed up gear changes - I was pathetic

[bennyfy]

i like DC2R more than pelude 5th gen
at least it looks smooth and better~

[Lyle_Style]

So is this how it goes guys?
in a strait line with stock standard cars the order goes like this
1st = Teg Type R (b18c5/6) 2nd = Prelude Vtir (H22a) 3rd = Teg Vtir (B18c)

let us know
Cheers!

[joneblaze]

I think you might find the B18C might be a challenge for the H22A....

[Pre_ludachris]

ive got a full exhaust system on my h22a
who evers got a b18c with the same, id be more then happy to show u a car length up to 100

[joneblaze]

rofl... "it's on".

[[stealth]]

lets get this SHOW on the ROOOAD!

:)

[THRUST]

ive got a full exhaust system on my h22a
who evers got a b18c with the same, id be more then happy to show u a car length up to 100
The Lude will always beat a ITR up to 100 but after 140 or so the ITR will be infront.

[ginganggooly]

ready and waiting. full exhaust system on a b18c right here. ;)

[[stealth]]

Chook take him on!!

:p

[McChook]

I think you might find the B18C might be a challenge for the H22A....
Not really

I've only lost to one B18C1 - and that was Steve (Totti)...
I've had a lot of runs with VTiR tegs lately, seems thre are quite a few around the eastern suburbs for me to run on the way home from work - 2 blue ones (one with nice BBS wheels), a white one (with those late GSi 6/5 spoke wheels) and a black one.... All driven by older guys, and I haven't lost to any of them yet


BTW, does anyone know someone who owns a VTiR Integra, burgundy colour, with mugen badges??? Saw this guy coming home from the city last Saturday night around 11pm, Princes Hwy, Tempe - He was HELLA cut.....

[azjs]

The Lude will always beat a ITR up to 100 but after 140 or so the ITR will be infront.

Sorry, but where'd you get that from? :confused:

-az

[G33K]

HmMm......both cars are nice....but i think you should be more specific........you made it clear what lude you want to get but a dc2 integra? what do you want? GSi? VTiR? TypeR?

personally....i like the look of the dc2s......always have and always will......secondly, i wouldnt compare the 5thgen lude but 4th gen lude. hehehe they not only look better but are a lil faster from memory.

i reckon you can only compare VTiR vs VTiR.......both manual ofcourse......

Although iv heard wierd sh!t happeing from joneblaze's GSi.....we should be talking bout the majority of GSi's not one particular 1 right? Coz if this guy buys a GSi, will it be as fast or faster than yours joneblaze? Highly unlikely.

Choose wisely, and drive safely fools. hahaha :D

[fried]

dc2-vtir dc2r-itr dc4-gsi

i think i remember an h22a in an accord, 92 model or something, full zorst, some engine work. never had 0-whatever... but had a few rolling squirts. they all varied, but there was never more than a 1/4 of a car in it. vs dc2 btw.

[Pre_ludachris]

The Lude will always beat a ITR up to 100 but after 140 or so the ITR will be infront.

huh?..i dont think so, ive been hammered by an ITR 1st 2nd and 3rd!
but yeah, any1 who does have a vtir teg with an full exhaust,
im willing to show u at 5300rpm what im capable off!!
in a freindly battle ofcos :D

[joneblaze]

I'm with Az... Lude VTiR will put lengths on a dc2R off the line? LOL... I'd be inclined to say the reverse, but hey.

Btw, G33K... my GSi is slow as all shit, and stock. :) I'd class it far from "fast".
Any potential DC series buyers (who want a fast/enjoyable ride) looking a non-ITR's should always save up the extra few thou and purchase the VTiR model. Unless you want B18Boost of course! ;)

[fried]

huh?..i dont think so, ive been hammered by an ITR 1st 2nd and 3rd!
but yeah, any1 who does have a vtir teg with an full exhaust,
im willing to show u at 5300rpm what im capable off!!
in a freindly battle ofcos :D

ive always found it hard to say no :wave:

stock here btw, but i wont let the b series down :D

[Pre_ludachris]

i raced my bros ITR tonight
on a rolling start i was at 40 1st gear and he was at 40 2nd gear..
and he caught up prety easily.!!
i had 18's he had his stockies.!!..ah wells!.

[Teggy-Vtir]

i raced my bros ITR tonight
on a rolling start i was at 40 1st gear and he was at 40 2nd gear..
and he caught up prety easily.!!
i had 18's he had his stockies.!!..ah wells!.
ive got a full exhaust, u can gimme a go =))

[THRUST]

Sorry, but where'd you get that from? :confused:

-azSorry I got the figures mixed up. But it does say that the Lude would be in front until 40mph = 65 kph.

http://www.ntpog.org/articles/magazines/battle.pdf

I'm willing to give any stock ITR's ago in Melbourne area. PM me

[ginganggooly]

so... when are we going to do this?

[fried]

so... when are we going to do this?
always the instigater!


ive got a full exhaust, u can gimme a go =))
lol... full exhuast AND?! :rolleyes:

actually, i think you two should play together, would be an interesting 10seconds :p

[Blew_lude]

ive got a full exhaust, u can gimme a go =))

ive heard about ur burguny ferarri
stop trying to set me up for a lost johny
hahahaha

[Blew_lude]

so... when are we going to do this?

lets make up a so called " Cruise" and we'll go from there
can't hope for co-incedental bump in at lights!

[bluebird]

I'll be representing the dead stock crew if a cruise is organised. :thumbsup:

[joneblaze]

I'll be representing the dead stock crew if a cruise is organised. :thumbsup:
Can I represent "basically stock non VTEC who will lose for sure" crew? :wave:

LOL... I can smell it.... Grey DC2 is keen ;)

[ginganggooly]

who is organising it?

lets do it in about three weeks...

[Teggy-Vtir]

yeah 3 weeks fine with me =)

[redliner]

boooooooooo gimme new tyres :(

[McChook]

I'm in.... I'll bring slicks

[Teggy-Vtir]

boooooooooo gimme new tyres :(
put ur stocks back on =))

[redliner]

stock is bold like a baby butt
hahahahahaha
current one slip in the rain like a bitch

[Teggy-Vtir]

shit silverstone tyres =p

[Blew_lude]

umm..3 weeks?..hello..did any realise its long weekend!
we can't cruise at 60km all day can we?
i occasionally wanna see how long my 2nd gear can go for

[Teggy-Vtir]

umm..3 weeks?..hello..did any realise its long weekend!
we can't cruise at 60km all day can we?
i occasionally wanna see how long my 2nd gear can go for
alrite we found the organiser haha

[redliner]

umm..3 weeks?..hello..did any realise its long weekend!
we can't cruise at 60km all day can we?
i occasionally wanna see how long my 2nd gear can go for

hahahahahaha i can
cruise baby cruise... wats the rush :D
on occassion i might accidentally press the gas too hard

[Teggy-Vtir]

hahahahahaha i can
cruise baby cruise... wats the rush :D
on occassion i might accidentally press the gas too hard
accidentally? haha theres no such fing as "accidentally" :p

why dunt u organise somethin ?? lets go take some fotos of our cars
anynite dis week is fine with me =)

[Blew_lude]

accidentally? haha theres no such fing as "accidentally" :p

why dunt u organise somethin ?? lets go take some fotos of our cars
anynite dis week is fine with me =)

everytime we ring ya..ur on the couch with ur zipper half undone.
hahahhaa..like how are we supose to interupt without being to rude prelude! :honda : :cool:

how hot are our cars?...like seriosly...every day wen i wake up..
i cant believe shes mine.!!

[Teggy-Vtir]

everytime we ring ya..ur on the couch with ur zipper half undone.
hahahhaa..like how are we supose to interupt without being to rude prelude! :honda : :cool:

how hot are our cars?...like seriosly...every day wen i wake up..
i cant believe shes mine.!!
rofl, especially ur bro's type r..

[Blew_lude]

rofl, especially ur bro's type r..

yes esp his deep dish 18s that bulks his car up like it has a wide body kit of some sort.!!
not that ur wheels aint nice...dont get me rong, size does matter

[fried]

hahah blew, teggy and redliner.. u guys talk soo much crap! im suprised keith hasnt joined the conversation :P

lets goplay man! bring em out, i'll show u stock dc2 power

[redliner]

hahahahahahaha
man i m crap
got a car with potential but i cant drive hahahaha
i'll b safe n b a gd citizan n drive normal :)
Out takin pix sounds gd to me
Hey teggy u goin to hung farewell fri an shirly's bday on sat?

[redliner]

hahah blew, teggy and redliner.. u guys talk soo much crap! im suprised keith hasnt joined the conversation :P

lets goplay man! bring em out, i'll show u stock dc2 power

man i'll get fried
i'll leave it to blew to do the work, his win is my win :)
well if he lose dun i dunno him :D
j/k

[McChook]

hahahahahahaha
man i m crap
got a car with potential but i cant drive hahahaha
i'll b safe n b a gd citizan n drive normal :)

I'll drive tyour car then......:wave: :thumbdwn:

[Teggy-Vtir]

hahahahahahaha
man i m crap
got a car with potential but i cant drive hahahaha
i'll b safe n b a gd citizan n drive normal :)
Out takin pix sounds gd to me
Hey teggy u goin to hung farewell fri an shirly's bday on sat?
yup goin to both, ill see u there.

[fried]

can i come too?! :P

[totti]

Pretty sure it had an exhaust (????? was a while ago) and was atleast lowered - might be wrong

Either way, I'm always open to challenges - just let the clutch n LSD go in this week, then its a free for all.

I say pick a wednesday, and hit WSID
Regarding my Vtir, only had 2.25in catback and drop in filter, and i was running my 18's back then (i think)

I'll be at WSID 15th December if anyone wants to hear some vtecccc....:D

[THRUST]

Anyone in Melb to give me a run?

[Sp3rMz]

I will if you're talkin legally.

[THRUST]

I will if you're talkin legally.what do u mean legally?

[Sp3rMz]

I mean no illegal activities LOL. Nah down a proper 1/4 eg. calder.

[THRUST]

I mean no illegal activities LOL. Nah down a proper 1/4 eg. calder.
Ok, maybe we can make this an upcomming event?

[Sp3rMz]

I think its already on our plans for March sometime.

[Savant]

thrust, what mods do you have? I just have intake and crappy tyres. i'll give you a go

[Sp3rMz]

Please take your discussion to PM.

-Tien

[THRUST]

Stock with type S intake.

[Blew_lude]

what ever happened to our so called cruise?
hahahah

[redliner]

ahahahahahah yo dude we havin one on the 19th to take some pics
comin??????

[Blew_lude]

let me check, ive got work..
oh wells..think i have to use one of my sickies.!!

[redliner]

LOL sickies it is
u cant leave me hanging... need to take 2 pic of lude 2gether

[Blew_lude]

yeah..
try and make it after 3.30pm yeah?.
cheers

[Spoon-Accord]

ehh.. i'll just sit on the side with my stock EXi accord..
cause i know i won't be catching up to any of you guys

:P

driven with few of these engines..
but the H22a certainly makes me smile when it starts to play :D

*Weezle dance* :D

just let me know when u guys going calder..

i wanna see if i can hit the 18 second mark again

Ken

[DaPlaya]

The Lude will always beat a ITR up to 100 but after 140 or so the ITR will be infront.

I think u got ur info from an unreliable source dude...ITR 0-100 time is less than Lude Vtir's. So yea...

[THRUST]

Ok there is a drag night comming up on the 4th of March in Melbourne, so this can be settled there. It would be good if all types came along R's VTiR's. Register your interest here.
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?p=216606#post216606

[NeRV]

Wouldnt it be a much more closer battle between the 4th Gen VTiR's then the 5th Gen VTiR versing a DC2 VTiR?? ... since the 4th Gen's are more lighter and has closer gear ratio's then the 5th Gen.. so the 4th Gen has a better 0 - 100 time.. and that both cars are around the same age. 5th Gens are sexy cars that are more luxury cruiser then a sprint star.. but they aint exactly slow either.. but i reckon the 4th Gen would beat a DC2 VTiR in a race.. and the 5th Gen VS DC2 VTiR would be a close match.