NSW: RTA FINES and DEFECTS. DEMERITS INCL. for modifications

[zco]

move this thread if necessary. didnt know where to post..

after having a quick read of this http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/index.cgi?fuseaction=demeritpoints.browsehandler&category=&offence=&SubmitButton.x=75&SubmitButton.y=4

i thought it'd be useful to point out to any body in NSW that is thinking about modyfying your car and pretty much weigh out the benefits of modding.. (i know after i have enough points on my license, i'd be reinstalling some of my mods LOL)

for those that currently have less than 3pts, you might want to fix your car up or else risk loosing your license if getting pulled over according to these rules below..

i found alot of these very surprising and didnt know that demerit pts were involved ! learnt something new and hope this will save some of you guys if you happen to get an asshole of a cop

*got bride or recaro seats ?
USE VEHICLE NOT COMPLY WITH STANDARD
Defective seating $243 3pts

*nardi , momo , sparco steering wheel ?
USE VEHICLE NOT COMPLY WITH STANDARD
Defective steering $243 3pts

*got a seatbelt thats slightly torn or damaged ?
USE VEHICLE NOT COMPLY WITH STANDARD
Seatbelt missing/defective $243 3pts

NUMBER PLATES
Use vehicle with obscured/defaced/illegible number plate
CLASS A MOTOR VEHICLE$324 3pts

*having a smoke ? or just relaxing your hand outside the window ?
SAFETY OF DRIVER/PASSENGERS
Part of body outside vehicle window/door (driver/passenger)$243 3pts

theres a few more weird ones.. but you guys can have a read for yourself.. :thumbsup:

[trism]

wow.

some of these rules are gay.

but i think that anything like defective seating, or defective steering more refers to if you replace your seat with a non adr approved seat, and dont get it engineered, or replace your steering wheel with one below 350mm, or if you put a non airbag wheel on your airbag car

and the number plate one doesnt say moved from oem position, it says Use vehicle with obscured/defaced/illegible number plate, so as long as you can see it.

but good post none the less ;)

[Lukezen27]

Hence the reason my whole car and all my mods have been engineered..

Some of those rules are gay but there rules none the less!

[RtN]

does engineering protect the sticking your hand out? haha..

[FAT VTI]

they are maximum penalties.

thats like the maximum penalty for being too low is probably demerit points, but i've never heard of a first offender being done for points unless the thing is scraping on flat ground.

[zco]

they are not maximum penalties.. a member on this forum got done for defective seatbelt. he had a small fray in his.. 243 + 3pt

[bennjamin]

having any mods to your car legally engineered does not prevent your car getting pulled over or harassed :(

[Lukezen27]

having any mods to your car legally engineered does not prevent your car getting pulled over or harassed :(

I've never been pulled over :thumbsup:

Touch wood :p

[chinkdood]

wow how mad is that!@
bride seat 3points
momo steering wheel 3 points
that 6 points alreayd fo rme =[

[rayb3na_]

seat belt thing i understand.. ripped or frayed its like a shirt really once its been ripped say if they got into an accident it would rip straight through that.. but sticking out your hand and having a smoke? jesus christ we cant smoke anywhere anymore.. and if it was a hazard sticking out our hand we wouldnt have any god dam side mirrors.. honestly does your arm stick out further then your side mirror? ridiculous..

[cupnoodle]

What if the car comes standard with those items, such as the DC5R. Recaros and momo wheel. Will that get defected too?

[LiKPiC]

no, if it comes with the car then you wont be defected.

[GreekWarrior]

*having a smoke ? or just relaxing your hand outside the window ?
SAFETY OF DRIVER/PASSENGERS
Part of body outside vehicle window/door (driver/passenger)$243 3pts


LOL

wft is this shit?

that's bullshit...

ah well if your gonna get pulled over for having your hand out the window you might as well give the cop the finger haha

[zco]

i know aye.. the rules are gay as lol but rules are rules.. and be prepared to cop a fine :(

[denot]

TV & VDU (VIDEO DISPLAY UNITS)
Drive vehicle with TV/VDU image visible to driver - $243 - 3
TV & VDU (VIDEO DISPLAY UNITS)
Drive vehicle with TV/VDU image visible to driver (school zone) - $324 - 4

^^^ LOL!!! so you cant have a head unit visible to the driver at all ????

[dwn_boi]

wow 3 points?? umm ok how much duz it cost for a new prelude drivers seat belt? what if it cme with the car when i bought it, does that make it ok? mines a lil frayed where the clicker in thing is

[GreekWarrior]

does all this apply to all states or just nsw?

[dupac->]

so if i stick out my middle finger out the window at the cop i can lose 3 points?

lol!

thats terrible

[trism]

wow 3 points?? umm ok how much duz it cost for a new prelude drivers seat belt? what if it cme with the car when i bought it, does that make it ok? mines a lil frayed where the clicker in thing is

doesnt matter if it was like it when you bought it.

you own the car, its frayed its your fault ;)

[rayb3na_]

so if i stick out my middle finger out the window at the cop i can lose 3 points?

lol!

thats terrible

give them the finger from inside du! lol

[zco]

TV & VDU (VIDEO DISPLAY UNITS)
Drive vehicle with TV/VDU image visible to driver - $243 - 3
TV & VDU (VIDEO DISPLAY UNITS)
Drive vehicle with TV/VDU image visible to driver (school zone) - $324 - 4

^^^ LOL!!! so you cant have a head unit visible to the driver at all ???? headunits with video display, ie: DVD units, TV screens turned on WHILST Driving


does all this apply to all states or just nsw?
that is from NSW Roads and Traffic Authority. you might want to check your own States road authority..


doesnt matter if it was like it when you bought it.
you own the car, its frayed its your fault ;) :thumbsup:

[T-onedc2]

I see nothing in the guidelines mentioning a particular seat brand or style. So instead of suggesting Bride's & Recaro's which is not conclusive, wouldn't the defect hinge on whether it's reclinable or fixed? just curious

[zco]

yehh.. it doesnt say anyhting about brides or recaro's. i was just stating some examples that honda' drivers might have
as for hinge or fixed seats, no idea. the title just states "not comply with standard" i guess you can always try tell the officer your bride seats are stock ? hehe

[The Dog]

LOL

wft is this shit?

that's bullshit...

ah well if your gonna get pulled over for having your hand out the window you might as well give the cop the finger haha

LOL! i did give a cop the finger just as i pasted north parra maccas. he pulled me ova n tried 2 defect me for my recaros in a bone stock DC5R! I laughed at him n told him 2 get a life & he drove off. try it one day. mite work... or not.

[bennjamin]

LOL! i did give a cop the finger just as i pasted north parra maccas. he pulled me ova n tried 2 defect me for my recaros in a bone stock DC5R! I laughed at him n told him 2 get a life & he drove off. try it one day. mite work... or not.


Haha - its people like that get stuck in a viscous circle.

always attracting cops or trouble but you go out of the way to attract it. Then you complain about getting defected or worse. I think its you that needs to get a life dude :wave:
Take care !

[dsp26]

I see nothing in the guidelines mentioning a particular seat brand or style. So instead of suggesting Bride's & Recaro's which is not conclusive, wouldn't the defect hinge on whether it's reclinable or fixed? just curious

yeah was thinking the same... but if it's "ADR approved" then it's OK? like stock dc2r sr3 recaros maybe?

[markoJEK1]

Wow you guys have it tough in NSW , personally I havent looked at the rules in QLD for a long time, hope they dont transfer the rules into the QLD system

[denot]

headunits with video display, ie: DVD units, TV screens turned on WHILST Driving


so when you have say DVD HU which can play Video DVD, you CANT turn it on while you in the car... well most of the time you are driving in the car rite? so whats the point of having them? should we replace the OEM BMW 7 series HU because they can play DVD video that you CANT use?

[markoJEK1]

thats the point, your not supposed to have them to distract you while driving, vehicles from factory that have DVD players etc, wont play any sort of entertainment (visual) until the vehicle is turned off

[denot]

thats the point, your not supposed to have them to distract you while driving, vehicles from factory that have DVD players etc, wont play any sort of entertainment (visual) until the vehicle is turned off

serious? I'm happy I didnt buy one of them then... what a waste of money :thumbdwn:

[FAT VTI]

serious? I'm happy I didnt buy one of them then... what a waste of money :thumbdwn:

LOL, No reason for that, i'd put money on at least 30% of the ones in cars have the lock (whatever u call it) disabled, so u can drive and watch.

It isnt a hard process to take out of most of them, dunno bout the new beamers though, they'd be tricky.

[johnprocter]

*having a smoke ? or just relaxing your hand outside the window ?
SAFETY OF DRIVER/PASSENGERS
Part of body outside vehicle window/door (driver/passenger)$243 3pts


got pwned by this one once :(

[zco]

so when you have say DVD HU which can play Video DVD, you CANT turn it on while you in the car... well most of the time you are driving in the car rite? so whats the point of having them? should we replace the OEM BMW 7 series HU because they can play DVD video that you CANT use?

to have them installed properly, theres a "lock" that is supposed to be attached to your handbrake. once you have the handbrake up, you'll be able to watch it.. ie: when you're parking and waiting for someone or something.. thats the legal method..


got pwned by this one once :(
aswell as your passenger seatbelt incident ? damnn you must carry some bad luck :thumbdwn:

[trism]

Haha - its people like that get stuck in a viscous circle.

always attracting cops or trouble but you go out of the way to attract it. Then you complain about getting defected or worse. I think its you that needs to get a life dude :wave:
Take care !


a viscous circle?

is that like, a new type of LSD?? :P

you mean vicious

[johnprocter]

to have them installed properly, theres a "lock" that is supposed to be attached to your handbrake. once you have the handbrake up, you'll be able to watch it.. ie: when you're parking and waiting for someone or something.. thats the legal method..


aswell as your passenger seatbelt incident ? damnn you must carry some bad luck :thumbdwn:

yeah mang LOL oh well could be worse ^_^

[mattchuej8]

did you know that you now lose points from getting caught by a speed camera. :O

idk, might be old but it shocked me lol.

[johnprocter]

...your joking right?

[Q_ball]

did you know that you now lose points from getting caught by a speed camera. :O

idk, might be old but it shocked me lol.

You should not even be holding a license if thats the case.

[dsp26]

serious? I'm happy I didnt buy one of them then... what a waste of money :thumbdwn:

ALL of them have this function.. it's a matter of wiring it up.. it's usually an internal relay disabling the screen that you wire up to the park brakes...

btw cops check this now...

[dmx]

damn.. mine only 2 point left
how this :
USE VEHICLE NOT COMPLY WITH STANDARD
Defective brakes
$243 3 point

means, we have get eng.certf. for all BBK upgrade ?

[xntrik]

If brides or recaros came standard its fine right;
cause when I got defected, he didnt say anything about the seats.

[MikeyG]

wow gg -.-

[trism]

If brides or recaros came standard its fine right;
cause when I got defected, he didnt say anything about the seats.

omfg


are you serious


its stock

why the **** would you get defected?

[xntrik]

omfg


are you serious


its stock

why the **** would you get defected?

i didnt get defected for stock seats.

[markoJEK1]

damn.. mine only 2 point left
how this :
USE VEHICLE NOT COMPLY WITH STANDARD
Defective brakes
$243 3 point

means, we have get eng.certf. for all BBK upgrade ?

Yes thats how it should be done, people look past it because it isnt as noticable as Recaros or Brides, or if you have done a motor swap. A brake upgrade is definatly one of the bigger mods which need to be engineered and letting the RTA know of the change.

[HwyStar]

if people are putting in unsafe kit then i kind of understand.... but moving the plate a bit & you get slugged? Thats a bit harsh

[denot]

ALL of them have this function.. it's a matter of wiring it up.. it's usually an internal relay disabling the screen that you wire up to the park brakes...

btw cops check this now...

what about having satnav unit (or from the HU) but doesnt have any voice direction? which means I will get fined for this as well? :(

[MikeyG]

gg... lost my license... fukin 2 demerit points gone.. casue of fukin music.. fukin prick fukin dogs FUK!!

[zco]

OFFENSIVE NOISE FROM SOUND SYSTEM
Drive/Use vehicle with sound system emitting offensive noise $150 2pts Prot Env (NC) Reg 2000
Cl 17A(1)

what is considered as "offensive noise" ?? did u drive around pumping up a porno on your dvd player mikey ? hehe

[trism]

offensive. if people can hear it, its offensive..

[MikeyG]

yea,

what trism said sigh..

what can of laws is this shyt makes me wanna go ape shyt... honestly its all those fukin hoons fault.. FUK.. i cant even drive in peace no more.. well i got 3 months suspension...so its saving time then b series time :D.. and zco.. i might actually buy those 2 parts off u.. for a mate :) pm me on a good price zco!!!

[zco]

apply to go on probation . 1 pt for 6months.. beats having no license at all.. and also saves your driving record :) insurance wont stuff you around in the future

just apply for it at the court. takes 10minutes

[SHOGUNOVDDRK]

Zico great thread

Would make a good sticky

Possibility of expanding it if possible? (i.e Driving offences, speeding etc?)


apply to go on probation . 1 pt for 6months.. beats having no license at all.. and also saves your driving record :) insurance wont stuff you around in the future

just apply for it at the court. takes 10minutes

:thumbsup:

[zco]

Zico great thread

Would make a good sticky

Possibility of expanding it if possible? (i.e Driving offences, speeding etc?)
:thumbsup:

no need to expand.. the website/URL gives you options to refine your search and find the offence, or you can view the entire lot ! what ive highlighted in the first post is just a few common offences, and/or problems that we might have and unaware of.. :thumbsup:

[johnprocter]

apply to go on probation . 1 pt for 6months.. beats having no license at all.. and also saves your driving record :) insurance wont stuff you around in the future

just apply for it at the court. takes 10minutes

can you only apply for this probation on full license or P's as well?

[steve88]

i had no front bar today on my car, ie. no front license plate the cop pulled me over let me off. i wasnt rude or anything, i told him the truth and was polite as was he.

the truth was my front bar was getting resprayed so i was waiting to get it back, i was supposed to get it back same day but no luck so im picking it up tonight

[dwn_boi]

yea as long as you tell them the truth they are nice, like when i got pulled over for speeding i told him the truth was i'm not used to driving in steel caps so it gave me a lil bit of a lead foot lol

[denot]

^^^ I've read somewhere about a guy who drive his car for 5 mins without the front bar (coz he taken it off the night before to fix somethin - cant remember what) and then he realise that he forgot to put it back, and went straight back home. on the way back home, patrol car stop him and defect his car eventhough his being polite and all. and the cops keep on calling him "hoons" and stuff... I think its depends on the cops, not how you behave... I know a friend of mine got fined becoz she has a teddy bear sticked on his dashboard... -_-"

[dwn_boi]

^^^ I've read somewhere about a guy who drive his car for 5 mins without the front bar (coz he taken it off the night before to fix somethin - cant remember what) and then he realise that he forgot to put it back, and went straight back home. on the way back home, patrol car stop him and defect his car eventhough his being polite and all. and the cops keep on calling him "hoons" and stuff... I think its depends on the cops, not how you behave... I know a friend of mine got fined becoz she has a teddy bear sticked on his dashboard... -_-"

wtf? duz that mean can get find for a yoshi in my cluster?

[bigspoon]

alot of it is up to "police discretion"

i got defected for having my car too low, and i gota admit it was dumped!

so i copped a fine, 1 point lost, and i had to raise my car and bring it into a cop shop for inspection.. i raised the car above 10cm and had everything cleared and checked off

3 days later.. got pulled over again bcuz apparently "i didnt have suspension" and got another fine for "driving a vehicle with parts unsafe for the road". another 125 bucks and 3 points.. laters to my lisence for 6 months

on both occassions the police took fotoz of the car so when i went to court the judge looked at me (young dude), looked at the fotoz of my car, n pretty much told me to fcuk off

its bs, but we gota put up with it..

[SXC-84K]

LICENCE - PROVISIONAL
P1/P2 Driver fail to comply with conditions of licence - Drive prohibited vehicle
$405
7 demerit points

wow thats a bit harsh aint it? how many points do we have on our greens anyways? isnt it 7? so we basically lose our licence on the spot if we drive a prohibited vehicle? zzz

[Element12]

LICENCE - PROVISIONAL
Not comply with P1 passenger restriction $405 3

I got this fine awhile back and it wasn't that bad, i lost 2 points and got a $395 fine i think ?

[zco]

LICENCE - PROVISIONAL
P1/P2 Driver fail to comply with conditions of licence - Drive prohibited vehicle
$405
7 demerit points

wow thats a bit harsh aint it? how many points do we have on our greens anyways? isnt it 7? so we basically lose our licence on the spot if we drive a prohibited vehicle? zzz
yes. greens have 7. if you loose demerit pts, and happen to go into the negative, then you will be suspended. upon returning from suspension, you will accumulate the points that you lost from this offence
ie: you have 2 pts. speeding will deduct 4pts. you will be suspended for 3months (minimum), and then when you return to driving, you will have 2pts again.

the offence you outlined above im guessing goes for RED P platers that drive turbo cars or driving cars that have restrictions. Or if you drive a vehicle that carries more than 12 passengers


LICENCE - PROVISIONAL
Not comply with P1 passenger restriction $405 3

I got this fine awhile back and it wasn't that bad, i lost 2 points and got a $395 fine i think ? they must've increased it. i know the fine has gone up on speeding tickets over the last few months

[SXC-84K]

yes. greens have 7. if you loose demerit pts, and happen to go into the negative, then you will be suspended. upon returning from suspension, you will accumulate the points that you lost from this offence
ie: you have 2 pts. speeding will deduct 4pts. you will be suspended for 3months (minimum), and then when you return to driving, you will have 2pts again.

the offence you outlined above im guessing goes for RED P platers that drive turbo cars or driving cars that have restrictions. Or if you drive a vehicle that carries more than 12 passengers

they must've increased it. i know the fine has gone up on speeding tickets over the last few months

it also counts for SOME green platers too, cause it says p1 / p2

[zco]

yepp. it would be all the ppl that got their license after july07

[xtat1k]

LICENCE - LEARNER
Unaccompanied Learner $621 2pts

who loses the points if there is no1 with the learner driver?
the learner? confusing.

[zco]

hmm L platers dont have demerit pts.. how does that work lol

[bigspoon]

qld learners have 1 point on their "lisence"

not sure how it works in other states

[FAT VTI]

LICENCE - LEARNER
Unaccompanied Learner $621 2pts

who loses the points if there is no1 with the learner driver?
the learner? confusing.

you lose them, as your licence will most probably be suspended, and that would mean u wont be able to drive for a period of time, then you would have to wait longer to go for your provisional licence.

[Element12]

they must've increased it. i know the fine has gone up on speeding tickets over the last few months

Found it !

It was $397 and 2-4 demerits (i think i know the fine was right)

[FAT VTI]

LICENCE - PROVISIONAL
Not comply with P1 passenger restriction $405 3

I got this fine awhile back and it wasn't that bad, i lost 2 points and got a $395 fine i think ?

exactly, isn't this just the maximum penalty? Isn't it up to the discretion of the police to fine you up to what they think is equivelent to the crime committed.

[paps02]

seat belt thing i understand.. ripped or frayed its like a shirt really once its been ripped say if they got into an accident it would rip straight through that.. but sticking out your hand and having a smoke? jesus christ we cant smoke anywhere anymore.. and if it was a hazard sticking out our hand we wouldnt have any god dam side mirrors.. honestly does your arm stick out further then your side mirror? ridiculous..

their reasoning behind this is if you get side swiped at the time you have your hand out the window then your hand is gone a cop told me this when i got pulled over once. luckily i proved to him its impossible that my arm was pretruding from the car as i always have my window up just a little bit for this exact reason..

its about safety. but your right... definently a shit fine. but whats the problem with recaro's??? cops must be really bored these days

[trism]

well imagine you have seats that arent adr apprioved. theyere absolutely shitty quality

youre in a crash, and the seat jsut snaps. no suport what so ever, your body is jsut gonna slip out of the seat belt, and get ****ed up

its not jsut the seats, they need to be engineered to ensure the rails are fine. what happens if the rails are ****ed? youre in a crash and the entire seat comes off the floor, and you get sent into the steering wheel/dash/windscreen

its the little details that are important not jsut the big obvious shit

[paps02]

so recaros arnt adr approved OR they need to be engineer approved so that you are not defected? because some cars come with recaro as stock!!!

[trism]

if they come with recaros stock theyre obviously gonna be adr approved arent they

but its not just recaros, its ANY AFTERMARKET SEAT. and the installation has to be engineered.

[zco]

yehh theres this girl i know of, she usually puts her hand outside her window, one day she decided not too and a taxi t boned her.. would have lost her arm

[fletty]

LICENCE - PROVISIONAL
P1/P2 Driver fail to comply with conditions of licence - Carry more than 1 passenger

am i reading this correctly, since when does this rule apply to green p plate holders? im assumeing this is carrying more then 1 passenger after the 11pm cut off?

[zco]

check the back of your license. it should state your conditions..

[johnprocter]

i dont think it applies to greenplaters.

[Petronas]

LICENCE - PROVISIONAL
P1/P2 Driver fail to comply with conditions of licence - Carry more than 1 passenger

am i reading this correctly, since when does this rule apply to green p plate holders? im assumeing this is carrying more then 1 passenger after the 11pm cut off?

I wonder if you loose points for not wearing glasses if one of your conditions on license state wearing glasses?


I cant seem to find anything about going the wrong way into a on way street. Anyone know the point penalties for this?

[trism]

prob jsut a fine for being a retard

[zco]

petronas.. maybe this one
TRAFFIC SIGNS & ROAD MARKINGS
Drive contrary to direction of traffic lane arrow $189 2pts

[mr33gts4]

driving a turbocharged Honda on P's = -4 Points =(

[iced]

AFAIK (from RTA documentation) there are certain brands of steering wheel and boss kit which are ADR aproved.
Autotecnica, MOMO, SAAS.

If the seat is ADR approved it will have a tag on the seat itself or paperwork.
Word of mouth approval doesnt apply :lol:
I have one here with ADR tag.

[Petronas]

petronas.. maybe this one
TRAFFIC SIGNS & ROAD MARKINGS
Drive contrary to direction of traffic lane arrow $189 2pts

Thanks mate... :thumbsup:

I now have 2 points left... :thumbdwn:

[MikeyG]

hmmm

one question... prob not even supposed to be here but,

when you change ur engine obv u have to tell RTA but what else would u have to do??

also... is there a charge for have a different cluster to oem.. say from ek1 to ek9 having differnt kms??

[trism]

other then getting it engineered if need be, you just need to get a place that does blueslips to sight the engine number, they write something out, you take it into rta, and change engine number

and no, nothing about clusters, exept that technically you should have the kms on teh new one wound to match the old one

[MikeyG]

thats the things.... i highly doubt jdm h22a prelude cluster would fit ek -.-

[trism]

hahahaha

if you can make it fit, then sweet, there wont be a problem

[Petronas]

I was talking to a guy form the RTA just then and he was explaining to me points on a license... Instead of saying "you have 2 points left" he was saying "you have 5 points and you don't want to hit 7 because that is when you loose your license" (Green P's = Max of 7 Points)...

So is this how the points system works, you start out on zero and loose your license when you accumulate your maximum?

[Lukezen27]

I was talking to a guy form the RTA just then and he was explaining to me points on a license... Instead of saying "you have 2 points left" he was saying "you have 5 points and you don't want to hit 7 because that is when you loose your license" (Green P's = Max of 7 Points)...

So is this how the points system works, you start out on zero and loose your license when you accumulate your maximum?

yup

Start at 0 and so on

[zco]

I was talking to a guy form the RTA just then and he was explaining to me points on a license... Instead of saying "you have 2 points left" he was saying "you have 5 points and you don't want to hit 7 because that is when you loose your license" (Green P's = Max of 7 Points)...

So is this how the points system works, you start out on zero and loose your license when you accumulate your maximum?

spot on

[Q_ball]

Yeh its always been like that ... but somehow we all got it wrong O.o haha

No one should have points... if you have points, ur a bad ass lol.

[trism]

yes, its demerit points. means you get points for bad things

red ps can get a maximum of 3. 4 or more, goneskies,
greens can get up to 6, 7 or more, gone
blacks up to 12. 13 or more, gone

[MikeyG]

i wish we had 50 demirt points :( ... vtec for a year and not lose your license yO!

[Lukezen27]

i wish we had 50 demirt points :( ... vtec for a year and not lose your license yO!

You should try having VTec and Boost :o

[Petronas]

So guys, another Q for you's...

If we pay our fines sooner, does that mean we gain our points sooner?

(I payed my speeding ticket like 3 hours after I received it thinking the above....)

[Lukezen27]

So guys, another Q for you's...

If we pay our fines sooner, does that mean we gain our points sooner?

(I payed my speeding ticket like 3 hours after I received it thinking the above....)

yup

Goes for the time its paid

[Nepolian]

So guys, another Q for you's...

If we pay our fines sooner, does that mean we gain our points sooner?

(I payed my speeding ticket like 3 hours after I received it thinking the above....)


yup

Goes for the time its paid

Also means you get it back sooner too! Works both ways ;)

[Crapdaz]

yes, after you pay you get the points the same time the year after.

e.g 1dec 2007 ---> 1 dec 2008 you should gain them back

[Lukezen27]

yes, after you pay you get the points the same time the year after.

e.g 1dec 2007 ---> 1 dec 2008 you should gain them back

Not in Sydney

3 Years here

2007 - 2010 :o

Well speeding anyway

[LiL FiLo]

yup

Goes for the time its paid

if you loose (suspend) your lisence tho, its from the time you receive the letter to notify when you loose it, regardless of when you paid - normally 2-3 weeks after

[Petronas]

Not in Sydney

3 Years here

2007 - 2010 :o

Well speeding anyway

Is it 3 years for every offense or just speeding?

If not, what are the time periods for other offenses, in particular -

TRAFFIC SIGNS & ROAD MARKINGS
Drive contrary to direction of traffic lane arrow $189 2pts

[trism]

it takes 3 years for every offence to gain the points back

[Crapdaz]

Not in Sydney

3 Years here

2007 - 2010 :o

Well speeding anyway
yeh sorry my bad, was mistaken it use to be that.

[CRAVED]

Not indicating while exiting a roundabout - 2 points

[zco]

if you loose (suspend) your lisence tho, its from the time you receive the letter to notify when you loose it, regardless of when you paid - normally 2-3 weeks after

i paid my fine, recieved a letter about 2 weeks after i paid it, and then it told me that i will be suspended a certain date ( which was approx 12days from that date i received it)

[MikeyG]

man... i miss the old days... where if u got a fine... u would pay by cheque and put 1 dollar extra... they would send the cheque back but if u dont get the cheque's money your license wont be suspended

:( i miss those days

[cruzincivic]

in my datto 1200 ute with the Sr20det in it i had it for 2 yrs and it went to the defect station 9 times in 2 yrs ... and never pined me for anything hahaha ... i say if you are going the mods your self then after its done get an engineers cert.. cost a bit but saves the hassel...

[johnprocter]

Not indicating while exiting a roundabout - 2 points

did you get done with this or are u just adding it to the list??

[beeza]

Thanks zco,the new bride copy I got was looking good for a daily until I read this.
Cheers mate :)

[zco]

i'd have more concerns on a fixed bucket over a reclinable, regardless of brand..

so dont worry too much, unless you got a fixed bucket ? lol well regardless, its just a warning for ppl that dont have the demerit pts to cover for the mods.. some ppl end up losing their jobs because they have no license.. =/

[beeza]

Yeah,it's a fixed bucket seat I got just for Track Days.The Bride Vios III.

Cheers mate.

[migoreng]

got fined for speeding not so long ago...cop also told me i overtook on the left but didn't get done for that. he asked me why..i was like cause i felt like it !!
:S

Overtake to left of vehicle $135 2
fail...2 points huh

so if there's a 3 lane road with a 70k limit and a driver is doing 60kph in the middle lane..is it illegal for me to do 70kph to the left of him?

[trism]

if its 3 lanes in one direction i dont see how its illegal

i think the overtaking to the left is more to single lane if you go off the road aorund them

[migoreng]

if its 3 lanes in one direction i dont see how its illegal

i think the overtaking to the left is more to single lane if you go off the road aorund them

well the cop definately mentioned something about me overtaking on the left on a multi lane road

[RtN]

umm i think overtaking on Left is dangerous as there can be cars parked on the left side of road can you can't see sometimes especially with big trucks maybe? LOL

[Petronas]

Is it legal to do a 360 degree turn on a roundabout?

[trism]

no....

[RtN]

Do like 1080s.. just say you can't figure out which direction you wanan go yet LOL. Umm and no I believe it IS legal to do 360 in a roundabout what if you wanna go back in the opposite direction? ._.

[trism]

well thatw obvious, you cant go the wrong way

[A.C.S DRAG]

can anyone tell me if they can take my car away if its considered a defective vehicle?

[Lukezen27]

can anyone tell me if they can take my car away if its considered a defective vehicle?

Maybe if you don't get the defective cleared but I doubt it...

Why what happened?

[A.C.S DRAG]

ive just got a strike against my name. cars been impounded once before. im just scared of taking her out again. i wont be doing anything stupid again thats for sure. but my car isnt exactly normal looking. just need to know if i get pulled over and they dont like my wheels, can they take it for 3 months?

[Lukezen27]

ive just got a strike against my name. cars been impounded once before. im just scared of taking her out again. i wont be doing anything stupid again thats for sure. but my car isnt exactly normal looking. just need to know if i get pulled over and they dont like my wheels, can they take it for 3 months?

ITS CALLED Engineering people!!!

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=78487

Never leave home without one!!

[A.C.S DRAG]

yeah im goign to get it wengineered but im moving to back to Vic soon, unsure if Brisbane engineers have any say on vic registered cars, ill have to call vic rtoads i think. thanks

[Lukezen27]

yeah im goign to get it wengineered but im moving to back to Vic soon, unsure if Brisbane engineers have any say on vic registered cars, ill have to call vic rtoads i think. thanks

Never worth losing your pride and joy or having to deal with cops

[Petronas]

Do like 1080s.. just say you can't figure out which direction you wanan go yet LOL. Umm and no I believe it IS legal to do 360 in a roundabout what if you wanna go back in the opposite direction? ._.


well thatw obvious, you cant go the wrong way

Yeah lol stupid question, what I meant was, is it legal to do a 720 degree or more turn on a round about?

[Bayani]

Not in particular, but an officer may reason that it is erratic driving.

[jeffreymui]

hey i just had a read in the rta site...it says USE VEHICLE NOT COMPLY WITH STANDARD
Defective seating....might mean that we can have recaros but we have to have all seats in the car? i dun quite get it...man this rule is pain up the ass...i was plainnng to get the bucket seats><

[dudeling7]

afaik if your car is a registered 4-5 seater (i.e. people sit in the back) you can not have two fixed bucket seats, they have to recline.

if you want fixed seats you have to register your car as a 2 seater?

and also if you remove your rear seats its a defect also unless your car is registered as a 2 seater.

[jeffreymui]

so that means i canstill get recaros....and just get ADR proof?

[MikeyG]

yes recaros are fine, just fixed seats are issues with police

[Petronas]

Is it illegal to cover your whole car in P plates in NSW?

Like showing nothing but lights and windows?

[dasicvtec]

I'm on my red P's - I got a speeding fine of exceed 15km/h (so lose 3 demerit points).

Do i lose my license for 3 months then have 1 point left when i get it back ? Or as lose all 4 points (due to automatic lose of license thing) and then get 4 points back at the end of the suspension.

[CRAVED]

i lose my license for 3 months then have 1 point left when i get it back


^^ that one

i wouldnt have lasted long on these new laws.

[FAT VTI]

I just thought i'd post it up here.
my gfs dad owns a small rigid truck, it is loaded with pallets daily. the side of the truck has been hit with a pallet a few times and has been smashed a bit out, probably around 4cm from the original position (basically been dented from the inside so the side is out 4cm or so from the original position).

He was pulled over, 3 cops looked over the truck and deemed it defective as the side was "dented and extended the width of the overall vechile".

Okay fair enough this is correct. However, on this truck (and most trucks in australia) the side mirros extend past the rear container of the truck a good 30-40cm at LEAST. therefore, how does a 4cm dent in the rear container make the vechile's width...wider?hmmm:confused:

[Jamezy]

that is plain bullshit.. he wanted to stir shit on purpose.. have this appealed in court

[97EK1]

you guys are hella worried about this defect and demerit points stuff, that is max penalty, usually if your not a douche to the officers they wont even go into demerit points, atleast thats from personal and friends experiences. so dont be a dick and give them the respect they deserve and they (most) wont be hard on you, remember they are just doing their job.

[trism]

i got pulled over, didnt have my license, didnt have p plates on the car

he gave me an 80 dollar no point fine for the no license, just said make sure you check your plates are on next time, alot of people steal them so people get in shit off us

[nvmee]

I think its bullcrap that if u lower ur car 1.5 inch all around and have a lip its a defect because the lowest part of the car is less than 10inch



GRRRR

[lolwuut]

10inch?

you mean 10 centimetre

[zco]

I think its bullcrap that if u lower ur car 1.5 inch all around and have a lip its a defect because the lowest part of the car is less than 10inch



GRRRR

i guess their defence is , if you hit something travelling at 100km/h ,, it make break off your car, fly and hit another car, causing more damage

[Type R Positive]

10inch?

you mean 10 centimetre
nah, 4x4 spec FTW!!! :cool:

[nvmee]

i guess their defence is , if you hit something travelling at 100km/h ,, it make break off your car, fly and hit another car, causing more damage

yeh that sounds pretty reasonable i guess. Its just frustrating to see that there are cars so much lower out there that hAVENT been pulled over as of yet =/

[dannyhuynh]

ive seen some dc5's with their number plate on the front of the front bumper and some in the small gap just above the bottom of the front bumper. which of those 2 are the oem position for the number plate?

[JDM-EGG]

yeh that sounds pretty reasonable i guess. Its just frustrating to see that there are cars so much lower out there that hAVENT been pulled over as of yet =/

if ur lowered on 1.5inch , say kings low with a lip .. no way its under 10c,'s .. maybe if your on superlows then yea .. but not lows , lows like blady 4WD , cause i have them ..

=="

cheersss

[oldschool]

did you know that you now lose points from getting caught by a speed camera. :O

idk, might be old but it shocked me lol.

:eek:
LOL X 10000, ah man u mad my day !

[Gio]

lol how low can you actually go in qld/nsw, 10cm??

Where do they measure this?

[SHOGUNOVDDRK]

Where do they measure this?

From the lowest point of your car.

Either the Cat on your exhaust or the lip or whatever is lowest point.

[Gio]

Mudflaps?

[EK1.6LCIV]

whatever point is the lowest, yes mudflaps do count, unless they are like the big rigs which are designed to flap and deter rocks from behind traffic

On 180sx's cops go for the exhaust at the rear near the diff as if it's lowered its going to be 90-70mm off the ground

If I lowered mine my cat would be the lowest if the front deflection plate was removed, lol

[Gio]

Fark my mudflaps are like 2 inches of the ground **** that

[jdm_b16a]

Scrutineers at race events (NSW State Cahmpionships) use a device which is basically a metal ring 100mm in height attached to a long handle. They poke it under your car and if it 'tings' anywhere then you are deemed to be too low. Maybe the HP need one of these as the idea of being pinged arbitrarily (as mentioned above) really sucks!

Peter

[FAT VTI]

thats what they do mate, they get that device and smash it into your front lip and when it hits, they say it's too low, heres a defect.

you ever driven from syd to canberra before summernats? you'll know what I mean if you have, about 100 defected cars and coppers using that thing.

[trism]

mudflaps dont count

[jdmEG5]

My EG, lowered on pedders, currently, with mugen lips on, measuring from a coke can, distance from lip to ground is 3/4 of the can gone.


i once got pulled over, the way cops look ar ur ride height is froma coke can, and i asked the cops why he did that, and they say, "its a way for measuring lowered cars, usually coke cans height is the maximum legal limit for lowering here in NSW.. " but mines lower than that, didnt get a defect, he just told me to rise it up.. was i just lucky? :S

[trism]

yes. very lucky

[jdmEG5]

aiyahh..

[Gio]

lol a fkn coke can, are u serious bahahahha,

Fk tha police

[jdmEG5]

yeah man im serious bro!! :L nsw police are fckn dodgy ..

[Gio]

lol

What is the legal height in nsw, 100mm??

What is it in qld?

[jdmEG5]

er are coke cans 100mm? haha i heard the legal are only 2inch lowered from standard... not sure :S mine are 4.5 inch lowered all round

[SIP117]

they used to use 330ml coke but not anymore.Last time I got pulled over.They didnt use a can of coke, they used a long stick with round thingy at the end of the stick.So he just rolled it in under the car.Lucky it went through on mine but if its not going through
!?!?gud luck brothaaa

[EK1.6LCIV]

most insures dont ins cars if theyre more than 2" lower than factory as well,

[tec it]

yeah man im serious bro!! :L nsw police are fckn dodgy ..

yeah mate they have done that for years. it's dodgy as **** but quiet funny to watch.

[Nismo3oi]

i got pulled over, didnt have my license, didnt have p plates on the car

he gave me an 80 dollar no point fine for the no license, just said make sure you check your plates are on next time, alot of people steal them so people get in shit off us

so driving without your license is a $80 fine? no demerits? or did u just get lucky

[aaronng]

He got lucky.

[trism]

no, i had my license. just didnt have it on me. driving with a suspended license is like a 2500 dollar fine and 12 months loss of license on top of whatever. possibly court.

[neo_phase]

Not sure anyone posted this link but I believe all states and territories must adhere to the National Code of Practice.

Here's the link to the NCOP Guidelines for Light Vehicle Construction and Modification (http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/vehicle%5Fregulation/bulletin/vsb_ncop.aspx).

It's got all the details in thorough for modifications regarding Engine, Brakes, Transmission, Body, Chasis, Seating...... you get the picture!

Quite an extensive list and the details that they go into are :eek::eek::eek:

[Nismo3oi]

no, i had my license. just didnt have it on me. driving with a suspended license is like a 2500 dollar fine and 12 months loss of license on top of whatever. possibly court.

yea i know that, my question was is that the usual fine for driving without your license on you? what is the actual amount and demerit points.

[Gio]

^^^^There is not normally one. You should always keep ur licence number on some paper in the glovebox, so when u forget ur licence they can check the number, ur pretty face pops up and its all good.

If you do not have ur licence number on u and no licence they normally give you 48 hours to goto the cop shop and show them...but i have heard of people getting a small fine for it like $125.00.

[zco]

yea i know that, my question was is that the usual fine for driving without your license on you? what is the actual amount and demerit points.


look through the link thats posted in the first post.. it will answer your question

[Gio]

zco my man i need someone to talk to come on msn lulzzzz z saefweartfw

[Gio]

LICENCE CONDITIONS
Fail to comply with licence conditions $189 2 RT (DL) Reg 2008
Cl 114 (except cl 22(b), 32, 33 & 34)

[BI85LL]

Crash testing by the RTA
Current laws already provide that the cars of repeat offenders may be forfeited to the Crown. Usually, those vehicles are sold and the money used to recover storage and collection costs. The new laws will allow certain forfeited vehicles to be released to the RTA for crash testing.

The RTA will use the unique tests to investigate the potential effects of certain modifications on overall crashworthiness and the wrecks of these vehicles will be displayed at education days for young drivers, or at other RTA presentations.


:(

[zco]

w0w.. can u provide source ? love to read more :/

[BI85LL]

w0w.. can u provide source ? love to read more :/

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/rulesregulations/penalties/street_racing_burnouts.html
:thumbdwn::thumbdwn::thumbdwn:

[jdmEG5]

Older bro, drove with out license on him, it was with his GF, got pulled over, RBT. Got fined.. $200 on the spot :S no demerit lost.

[EK1.6LCIV]

dayum... you for real?

in QLD youve got 24hrs to go to the cop shop with ur credentials (drivers licence and rego) or else you get a fine

[BI85LL]

dayum... you for real?

in QLD youve got 24hrs to go to the cop shop with ur credentials (drivers licence and rego) or else you get a fine

In good ol' NSW it depends on the officers mood they either except a small amount of time (24 Hrs) to produce ur credentials or they just fine you straight away

[VT-11-RR]

how long will it take for police to issue a court summons??? (court date)
in regards to a speeding fine in NSW

[flipfire]

Usually 1-4 weeks

[tiksie]

yea as long as you tell them the truth they are nice, like when i got pulled over for speeding i told him the truth was i'm not used to driving in steel caps so it gave me a lil bit of a lead foot lol

Even if you didn't have an excuse, females always get let off for fines.. It's ****ing shit house, as long as a Male copper pulls you over.

If I was the copper I would've laughed at you if you said that you were speeding due to your shoes..What kind of excuse is that ? :confused:

[zco]

bump fyi

[nikolaz01]

Pretty much with the bride or recaro's even if you get it engineered they can still defect you.

My friend is mates with beau yates the aussie drifter, he had his seats engineered but still got defected. So don't think your safe because you have a piece of paper :)

[Neesmo31]

Just a quick q - obviously the dc2r comes standard issue in australia with recaro's and a momo wheel - does that mean an ansy policeman can get up me for it???

[grifty]

Even if you didn't have an excuse, females always get let off for fines.. It's ****ing shit house, as long as a Male copper pulls you over.

If I was the copper I would've laughed at you if you said that you were speeding due to your shoes..What kind of excuse is that ? :confused:

reminds me of when my sister got pulled over for running a red light and speeding, she drove away with a fine for a bald tyre.....

[xntrik]

Just a quick q - obviously the dc2r comes standard issue in australia with recaro's and a momo wheel - does that mean an ansy policeman can get up me for it???

If the guy is an idiot yes, but you can take him to court.


I've been defected before but they didnt defect my recaros,
after spotting it, they just checked to see if my belts and seats
werent wobbling. The copper knew it was a type-R :eek:

[Neesmo31]

Yeah around here im pretty sure they dont know much. Court is such a hasstle though...

[danb18c]

Stupid rule, resting your arm out the window.

[MWAKU]

what happens if u got 3 points, then loose 4 points and have -1 points. is it still just 3 months suspension>

[geeang]

what happens if u got 3 points, then loose 4 points and have -1 points. is it still just 3 months suspension>

Yes, but after the 3 months is up you lose that 1 point straight away.

[MWAKU]

oooh ok thanks.

[89lude]

Cant you just lie about recaros? saying your car is a type r? Anyone goten away in say a dc4 with recaros?

[Limbo]

Cant you just lie about recaros? saying your car is a type r? Anyone goten away in say a dc4 with recaros?


i've heard of type r getting pulled over and harrassed cos of the recaros.
Good luck trying to pull that off.

When in double they just give you a Non-standard notice and you need to prove it

[zco]

its funny how these fines are more expensive now ..

USE VEHICLE NOT COMPLY WITH STANDARD
Defective steering $265 3pts

USE VEHICLE NOT COMPLY WITH STANDARD
Defective seating $265 3pts

USE VEHICLE NOT COMPLY WITH STANDARD
Seatbelt missing/defective $265 3pts

[flipfire]

^ Was the seatbelt defect because of a bucket seat?

[Gio]

Ouuuuuuuuuuuuch.

[zco]

Ohh, i didnt get fined lol.. Just posting up for fyi for ozhonda members..
Id assume seatbelt would be installing a harness?

But compared with my initial post, you can see what the fines cost back then vs now..