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the moment a tyre is stretched beyond what its supposed to fit, its compromised. even small stretch isn't 'safe', but then again people have very different definitions of 'safe'
His logics correct.By 'safe' he means unreliable, more likely it could fail. The tire is stretched past its limits thus making it more potential to fail, making it unsafe.
The moment you increase boost the moment it comes more unreliable then stock. Like anything in this world if its put outside of its limits it will become more likely to fail.
Tires were not manufactured to do that.
The stuff that keeps you connected to the ground should kind of be a priority.
Common sense kicks in for most people before they run a tyre with an outrageously unsafe profile.
On a tyre with a lot of stretch, the sidewall contacts the road when cornering. That part of the tyre is not supposed to wear and is critical to handling.
exactly, the motor was not designed to take more than what it is. increasing its boost increases your chance of failure. im glad you see the logic now.
^exactly
yes of course, if you can show me any situation where 'upgraded brakes' were the sole cause of an accident then i'll concede to you. i've seen many an article of stretched tyres debeading while moving. by some miracle of god nothing happened, but if that were to have exploded? or completely left the wheel? then what?
^not only critical to handling but safety. the sidewall needs space to flex, take away it away from its intended use, and reduce its space in which the sidewall can flex and its a hazard. stretch is not and never will be safe. i understand you're all stance|works and all that jazz, but endangering yourself or other human beings so you can stance your nuts off, or get wheels that shouldn't your car to fit, by using the wrong size tyres is wrong.
still not understanding the concept of within limits.
I dont have any pictures for you nor stories, The main reason would be because i dont hang around fanboy enthusiasts who think its cool to put -10 camber, massive offsets with stretched tires and ridiculous number plates on their cars. But im sure there are fails and when it happens it is quite unsafe.
edit: umad?
I know stories of stretched tyres coming off the rim during cornering.
Buy nice wheels, run cheapest tyres that stretch on them. Nice.
buy cheap wheels
put cheaper tyres for max stretch
http://b.vimeocdn.com/ps/322/679/3226798_300.jpg
not enough poke for the meat?
no spacer?
no worries
http://southerncrossfasteners.com.au...05/washers.jpg
http://b.vimeocdn.com/ps/322/679/3226798_300.jpg
is it possible to stretch my 15' tyres to fit on 16' wheel?
anything is possible when you want to endanger everyone around you!
http://b.vimeocdn.com/ps/322/679/3226798_300.jpg
Spoken to any engineers about that? brake upgrades require tests to make sure they don't lock, and if they do, they don't pass.
So a stetched 45 profile tire on a 1 tonne civic is more unsafe then a 2 tonne commonwhore on 22"s with 30 profile tires?
ahhh.... no it doesn't.
No problem, Ill stop driving a car then because regardless of modifications, I could be hit by someone else and die... We should all stay indoors on our computers and live in fear.
Not mad, find it hilarious when pretty much all ozhomo trolls spam the shit out of the technical forum with their opinions... Only forum im on that allows that, generally shit talking is restricted to spam threads, not tech forums. Also find it hilarious that you picture anyone with stretch as "fanboy enthusiasts".... Im sure you have a mad posse of jdmYO civics on slipstreams.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dw7SoQha2po
Didn't realise that the price of tires was a huge factor in car safety, explains why 80% of standard cars run the cheapest tires possible from bob jane t marts.
.... on the complete example you were trying to make e.g. what tyres does the civic have exactly, what tyres does the commodore have exactly etc.
anyone can post images.
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__...me-face-i0.png
15x9 195/45 civic 22x8 215/30 ve commodore.
Both hit a pothole, which wheel has more chance of being damaged?
civic clearly, that's a ridiculous spec of tyre to run.
price is a factor, you buy chinese shit tyres, expect chinese shit quality and performance.
and the sidewall doesnt need to flex either hey? maximum stretch for maximum bitches
no one is spamming an opinion, only you are. its a fact, stretched tyres are not safe and just to be the devils advocate personally i'd rather run high boost and kill an engine than stretch my tyres.
in saying that though, what could possibly ever go wrong though with stretching tyresright?
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29...tchgonebad.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img6/8172/stretchd.jpg
http://i45.tinypic.com/350p1n8.jpg
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http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/a...vol/IMG492.jpg
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5082/...0c257ae0_b.jpg
what sidewall?
so did OP ever find the leak?
RIP op.
im not trolling, it might be an opinion but our opinions have been proven and shown on this thread. Its funny that we have proven why stretching wheels are dangerous but you still havent proved to us that they are safe or legal,you just keep giving us this opinionated crap, show me some evidence. I didnt say anyone with stretch is a fanboy, read all of what i said. "-10 camber, massive offsets with stretched tires and ridiculous number plates on their cars". i can assure you i dont have a mad posse of jdmyo civic friends, But by the look of your car i can tell that might be your group of friends. ha har
Hi oxer
you have problems with comprehending texts. I did not say that your car was jdm. What do you mean a law that rules it out? Its unsafe to drive on for the reasons we just said, So it would go under NOT ROAD WORTHY.Not road worthy is quite a broad law. It covers anything that makes the car unsafe.
Actually, a tyre's sidewall is meant to be mounted so it runs close to parallel with the faces of the wheel.
When you stretch a tyre it changes the angle of load of the air pressure within the tyre.
So where the tyre mates to the wheel it's experiencing an air pressure direction it was not meant to, and if you include camber into the equation, the weight of the vehicle will also help deform the tyre.
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/customa...ar28992_21.gif
It also looks bad.
Why don't people just flare there guards and fit the wheels properly instead of fitting them all weird and sideways so the car looks ugly and broken?
Mounting is no different, they bead the same, they hold the same pressure, they run on the same pressure, they handle no differently.
all you guys are forgetting that tires are made of that flexible stuff called rubber, along with nylon and steel.
If you're anal, the lack of sidewall flex is transferred to the tread that is contacting the ground. Depending on the compound of tire this may cause premature wear, but of course driving on the road doing the speed limit doesn't wear the tire as much as say "spirited" driving.
In terms of roadworthy-ness, you're only allowed to go 15mm taller or shorter in rolling diameter, and the same goes for width, when compared to the factory tire size, found on your placard on the drivers side pillar (assuming its a 90's model honda that hasn't been resprayed) So anyone rolling a 15x8 with a 225/50 is technically "unroadworthy" in victoria anyways.
The angle of a tire's sidewall has nothing to do with the bead of the tire. If you've ever looked at an unmounted tire, the bead surface isnt a square 90 degrees. Also the bead surface on the wheel is usually larger then the bead surface on the tire, and also has a lip that acts as a "fail-safe" of sorts. The reason wheels and tire diameters are made in intervals of inches is due to the fact that they squeeze over the bead lips to create an air tight seal.
Im not going to go into the way that temperatures affects the pressure within the tires, because surely you all arent that stupid.
As far as camber goes, sure it affects the weight distribution on the tire, but that's why they have load ratings, if you're within the limits, it makes it much harder to "roll a tire off a rim". The sidewall doesn't contact the ground until you're getting to the -20's camber specs, believe it or not Super-DA9, even under cornering.
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5208/...50419547_b.jpg
That's -6.5, that's also a 215/40, At that point in time, you can see there was plenty of tread, and the sidewall is well clear of the contact area. Another misconception is camber = tire wear, when in reality toe is the biggest factor in tire wear.
I know I've just wasted 10 mins of my life typing this in response to forum trolls, I also know that you will still debate and nit pick what I've written and tell me how unsafe it is and how many people I have and will continue to kill.
UMAD Ozhomos?
Wasn't that pic from when your car had to get towed away because it got defected?
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5285/...997ec965_b.jpg
nah that must be another unsafe roadworthy vehicle
What was the defect for?
too low, coilovers, wheels.
That time one of the cops told me 3pc wheels were illegal.
Ive heard much more bullshit from cops then you guys have.
Hi oxer
There are lots of things I find difficult to understand, doesn't mean I have a problem it means I am human.
Nobody can claim to understand everything.
http://animatedimagepic.com/image/hi...hello-7411.jpg
care to inform me then? as for the idiot part, I'm much more then that..... The sensors on this forum don't allow for such language though.
How ya going
Why are you running so much camber Ox? You have a 9" wide wheel but it looks like you only have 4" of tread on the road, judging from that photo. that is less than stock..?
LOL, good luck with that!
How is any of what I said incorrect? actually, dont bother, because you've already told me so many times. Add to my neg rep if you like to discredit me, im sure people will believe you from all your spamshit.
Its actually 9.5" but imagine if it was 6", then there's only be ~3"
All vw beetles should be off the road too, with their 135 tires.
Already tried man :'[
Its a good project though. He just needs it done already so he can enjoy it. Haha
If you are being sarcastic, by that logic, you are saying any car can have 135 tyres because beetles do.
wat
is op dead yet
Seeing as the thread is hijacked... you kinda cant disprove god.... only not believe in gods existance. Same as religious peeps can only believe god and not prove it to be so... as such the 'truth' isnt really clear.
To analyze the streched tyre thing a bit... is the consequence of the tire failing and better/worse? No. Can you estimate the frequency of injury/death/totalling the car? Ive got no stats bt id say something like 1/500 (0.002%) of tyre blowouts (regardless of reason) lead to serious problems.
youve only made it more likely to happen. Now im going to make these figures up, but based on my own experience.... id say the chance that my nonstreched tyre will blow while driving for whatever reason is at like 0.05%. I have now gone and installed them streched tyres... and the likelyhood im going to have an incident that leads to the tyres going pop has gone up by a factor of 100 (10000% more likely than a blow out under normal conditions)... the grand total chance of tyre failure is now 5%.
So the chance of it happening (1/20) multiplied by the chance of serious consequences due to a tyre blow out (1/500) = 0.0001%
SOOOOooooo if you drive THAT car twice per day on average, you could expect a blowout every 10,000 th drive, or in this case 5000 days. Thats a ****ing long time.
Math is clearly overly simplified but im trying to demonstrate that it probably isnt that "Risky" to do.
Just as an FYI, i dont like running streched tyres. Not because of the consequences, but because i dislike the look.
Stretch & Camber = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EOKrW4ITZM
Last i read on SAU was e cbf with it anymore
here is dangerous example
http://www.stanceworks.com/forums/sh...t=11804&page=4
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7381/8...e6883538_b.jpg
lol or what about this where the tyre popped off the bead?
http://www.houseofstance.com/2013/09...-tyre-stretch/