I believe Heidfeld is the most bargain driver of the year, great performance for small amount of salary (anyone knows what salary he is getting from Williams? Test driver rates maybe).Quote:
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I believe Heidfeld is the most bargain driver of the year, great performance for small amount of salary (anyone knows what salary he is getting from Williams? Test driver rates maybe).Quote:
Originally Posted by LUD02C
Who knows what a F1 driver gets.
I think they "reckon" Michael got payed by Ferrari $300 million euro (including clothes sales percentages etc) in 2004.
^^^ Is from my memory of something I read, could be wrong.
But Michael was the most payed sportsman last year by a lot so could be right or near right.
So much money!
Both Seb Loeb and Stephane Sarrazin are doing the LeMans 24hr Race.
Loeb is in a PESCAROLO JUDD in the premier class (LMP1). They qualified 2nd just 0.8s behind the other Pescarolo Judd.
Sarrazin is in an Aston Martin DB9 **drool** in the LM GT1 class.
No wonder he donated $10m USD to the tsunami victims a while back. thats just simply no money for him. Having said that, $10m donation by MS is way out of proportion when you consider vodafone only donated a few million pounds (not sure) for the same events :rolleyes:Quote:
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They published all the figures in f1 racing a few months back. Lesse here.
Sch - 42 million including bonuses and merchandising.
Kimi - 19 mil
Ralph?? - 18 million
JPM - 12 mil
Webber - 6
Heid 2mil (Is a bargain!)
Rubes - 9
Button alonso trulli 7-8
Ok, from the above list, I can the the big disapointment is Ralf considering his huge pay! he just doesnt delivery the bang for the buck. :thumbdwn:Quote:
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hmmm man there makin big bucks
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Acquire a majority shareholding in Sauber
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BMW to take over the
running of Sauber in '06
BMW is striking out on a new path in Formula One. After acquiring a majority shareholding in the Swiss Sauber team, a BMW managed team will be contesting the Formula One World Championship as early as 2006.
This was decided by the BMW Board of Management on Tuesday. It means that, for the first time in company history, BMW will be competing independently in Formula One.
Professor Burkhard Göschel, BMW Board Member for Development and Purchasing
“This decision is a strong, long-term affirmation of BMW’s commitment to Formula One. We anticipate that Formula One will emerge strengthened from the current restructuring phase and that it will continue to represent the top echelon of motor sport for the future as well. For BMW, Formula One is thus the right platform for demonstrating our competence as a car manufacturer."
"Success in Formula One increasingly depends on the perfect interplay of all factors. That is why we have resolved to extend our involvement beyond our present role of engine partner. With a team managed by BMW we will, as of next year, take on responsibility for the entire package, which will include the key factors of the chassis, tyres and drivers. Naturally this decision impacts on our partnership with WilliamsF1. We want to discuss the future options together with WilliamsF1 in order to find the right way forward for both sides."
"We do not expect instant success from the new constellation, but we are convinced that we have chosen the right path for the long term.”
Dr Mario Theissen, BMW Motorsport Director
“The realignment of our Formula One strategy is based on two insights. Firstly, the influence of the engine on the winning potential of the overall package has diminished; the car, tyres and drivers play a greater role than they used to. Secondly, from our point of view, an optimal overall package can only be achieved with a fully integrated team and coherent processes throughout."
"In restructuring we are taking account of these insights. At Sauber we have found a solid foundation for vehicle development and production, along with the requisite know-how and one of the most modern wind tunnels. The results achieved there so far are worthy of respect in the light of the team’s limited budget. BMW will not only maintain this foundation but build on it. That applies both to the facilities and to the staff. Additional workplaces will be created at the Sauber headquarters in Hinwil. The new team will be managed as a fully integrated project from two locations, as has long been standard practice at BMW for series production."
"We are aware that we face a learning curve, that although you can plan success you can’t buy it off the peg. After showing that BMW is capable of building the best Formula One engine, we are starting out as it were at apprenticeship level on the complex task of tackling the vehicle as a whole. That demands patience and stamina. We possess both, as well as a concrete work programme. The technical cooperation has already begun."
"In the partnership with WilliamsF1 we have celebrated successes together and taken the team forward. Both partners today are stronger than at the outset of our joint venture and are thus equipped for the future. What that future will look like will be decided over the next weeks. Irrespective of that decision, we are concentrating on the current season. We still have quite a few goals for this year and we will apply all our powers and professionalism to implement them together with WilliamsF1.”
Peter Sauber
“For Sauber, the partnership with BMW is an ideal solution as it supports the two goals which have always been paramount for me: firstly, to offer the team the possibility of improving their sporting performance, and secondly, to safeguard the site at Hinwil and the jobs of today’s 300-strong workforce. The involvement of six car manufacturers has resulted in significant changes to Formula One in recent years. For the private teams in particular it has become increasingly difficult to secure the kind of solid financing that will also allow for sporting success. For some years I have also been thinking in terms of succession planning – in the light of the very specific demands of Formula One, that is no easy matter."
"The partnership with BMW guarantees continuity. For that reason, too, it represents an ideal solution, because I know it will give the workforce a very good outlook. Over more than 35 years, I have guided this company through often stormy seas, which is why it is so important for me to know that it will be in good hands in future as well.”
"The new partnership is also made possible by Credit Suisse, which over the next three years will successively sell off its shares in Sauber Holding AG to BMW as well. Credit Suisse took over these shares in 2002 with a view to placing them with suitable investors in due course."
Urs Rohner, Member of the Executive Board of Credit Suisse Group
“We are looking forward to working with BMW. What you associate with BMW and Sauber are, on the one hand, longstanding experience in motor racing and, on the other, efficiency and dedication. That creates an ideal basis for a successful team. Credit Suisse, moreover, will be an Official Partner of the team for the next three years.”
Presentation at the start of 2006.
In parallel with that, based on the Board’s decision, the new structure with managerial and key positions, including the driver line-up, and the name of the new team will be worked out by the takeover date of 1st January 2006. Development of resources are being driven forward with urgency and immediate effect.
The team will present itself to the public at the beginning of 2006. The factory in Hinwil will continue to be operated as a legally independent Swiss company linked to BMW Motorsport.
The expansion of BMW’s Formula One involvement will not impinge on other BMW motor sport projects. In future, BMW will continue its commitment to touring car racing – both in the new World Touring Car Championship (FIA WTCC) and in leading individual events such as 24- hour races. Formula BMW with its four series in Asia, Britain, Germany and North America will also continue. This year it will feature a world final for the first time.
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BMW
Yep, all the usual arse-kissing antics in those interviews. Pretty typical stuff.
Well, what does this mean for Williams? Toyota engines?
Any idea of which drivers BMW intend to employ? I'm guessing Heidfeld would be one.
Interesting, i think they will stick with BMW customer engines at least for 2006, after that....sh!t, it could be anyone! Skoda F1!
Daihatsu-WilliamsF1, Chevrolet-WilliamsF1, Holden-Vauxhall-WilliamsF1 ?
porsche-willaims f1?
audi-williams f1
lamborgini-williams f1!!!! <---------- would LOVE to see that
wait, lambo is audi, what am i on about?
Williams + RB26 + Attessa = NEVAR LOSE!
I hope BMW employ Heidfeld and Klien.
Both terrific young drivers!
Well done to BMW on there purchase, I personally think Frank and Patrick are wankers!
I said that Williams will be in a Toyota engine and Bridgestones next year, But I'm thinking a Honda V8 now.
I wonder if Peter Sauber will still have some involvement?
I think Honda will be strong with their V8 package, anybody else agree with me?
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I don't think we'll know who is strong with the V8s until Australia next year, too much of a blank canvas. Was it Honda who was the only team to have tested a V8?
true about not knowing how the V8's will run till next year, everyone can speculate over testing times like always, but in the end of the day, gotta wait till Australia, and even a couple of rounds in to see who's got it good
im actually looking fwd to seeing how the v8's run.. n sound :D
should be interesting though.. imo i tink Ferarri will have the upper hand .. considering they've got quite a vew v8 production cars...
but meh.. this is f1.. too hard to speculate.. so just have to wait n see..
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Salo highlights potential new issue
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111 races for Salo in Formula One
Former Formula One driver Mika Salo has highlighted a new concern to the FIA after he discovered that his lungs have accumulated brake dust, presumably over his eight-year stint in Formula One and his time in other categories before and after F1.
Salo, who started his Formula One career with Lotus in 1994, went on to question if his lungs have accumulated so must brake dust, how much more would a driver like Michel Schumacher have after his much longer spell in the sport.
The BBC report that the specifics of Salo’s problems have now been brought to the attention of the FIA and there is now a dialogue between the parties.
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I wonder how high they will rev?!, currently at 18 or 19,000 rpm, and i read somewhere that the F1 V8s will be more like motogp engines.Quote:
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The honda hit 21,000rpm didn't it?
You will have to wait for Australia, because we are not the opening round next year, we are 3rd on the calender. (commonwealth games)
Mika Salo what a great guy, concerns over Michaels health.
Also, Bought a book last night, Michael Schumacher by James Allen (Yeh I know, he is a tool) but James is with him for 2 years, and you see all sides of Michael.
Also, with Michael's money thing, when i said he got $300 million thats including all his interest and all that he has earnt on his money and all that. ;)
what was first then btw?
you wouldn't happen to have read the Behind the Wheel book by Martin Brundle would you? looked pretty cool, but i was scared off by the price haha.
Nar I haven't.
I never thought Martin Brundle was that good.
He was a team mate of Michael's I believe in the Benetton?
maybe? He raced for McLaren for one season didn't he?
Holy crap, 21000RPM!! That's a lot of heat!
Williams used to have their engines supplied by Renault. Any chance of that relationship being rebuilt?
Rothlmans Williams Renault, what a great team!
I think Toyota or Honda will get Williams on board, I haven't heard of Renault wanting to be a supplier has anyone?
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Answers a whole lot of questions
BMW announced this week that it would take over the Sauber Formula 1 team. Shortly afterwards, Credit Suisse emagazine spoke with Peter Sauber about his reasons for the move, the role of Credit Suisse and the Hinwil location.
Daniel Huber: What were your reasons for agreeing to the buyout offer from BMW?
"In the last ten years, Formula 1 racing has developed by leaps and bounds technically and as a result has become extremely expensive. That has made it extraordinarily difficult for small, independent teams to hold their own. We have an excellent infrastructure and really outstanding people, but otherwise we're a little short on everything. It's very difficult to keep up under these circumstances. That's why I announced years ago that I would be willing to work with a strong partner or even sell provided I could improve the team's motor sport future and safeguard both the jobs in Hinwil and the entire infrastructure. There's another important point. I'm now 62 years old. It was high time to find a good solution for the succession issue. The deal with BMW is thus also ideal in terms of timing."
What's the new ownership situation?
"Credit Suisse, the main shareholder, will gradually reduce its stake to zero over the next three years. I'll also scale back my shareholding, but ultimately will keep 20%, which is quite a lot."
Was Credit Suisse involved in these negotiations?
"Of course. It was in the picture right from the word go and welcomed the sale for the same reasons I do. After all, it guarantees progress on the motor sport side and up to a certain point secures the future of Hinwil."
Talking about Hinwil, what's going to change there in future for the staff?
"Very little will change for them. The team is 300 strong right now and will even be expanded somewhat. Teams like Renault or Williams employ 450 or 500 people. BMW doesn't want to go quite that far, but staff levels will be much higher than right now. And that's important not only for the employees but also for the entire region."
So the jobs of all Sauber employees are guaranteed?
"There are no guarantees for jobs. I've been doing this for 35 years now. I've always offered attractive jobs and steadily built up the company. I think that's more important than talking about guarantees."
How quickly will the new ownership make its impact felt on the work in Hinwil?
"The impact will be felt very fast. We have a state-of-the-art wind tunnel that is under-utilised now because we don't have the personnel. We're operating only a single shift, whereas our competitors run three shifts. We want to change that, so we're going to increase our personnel as quickly as possible, but with all due caution of course. The same is true, for instance, of the test team, which only operates one car, while everyone else is using two. This is another handicap that we want to eliminate as quickly as possible."
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Credit Suisse to gradually reduce involvement
What will Peter Sauber's role be in the new BMW team?
"I will no longer have any operational role in the team. And that's a good thing. I've put my stamp on this business for the past 35 years. With BMW taking over, the new management will want to do a lot of things differently. BMW also has completely different structures. We need a clean break. However, I'll be around as a consultant to advise BMW and the team in the next few years."
What are your thoughts at the end of this crucial day?
"That's a bit difficult for me to answer. On the one hand, I feel very relieved that the company with which I am so closely connected is in good hands. Since I started in Formula 1 racing, about ten different teams have come and gone. On the other hand, retiring from active involvement is certainly not easy for me. I think I won't really know what it means for me for another few weeks yet."
Have you got any plans for starting something new?
"No. That's why I'm happy to have this consulting agreement with BMW. That will take up so much of my energy that it won't make sense to start anything new at the same time. But I hope that things will be a little calmer. With 19 races this season, I'm sometimes really at the limit."
E.A.
Source Credit Suisse
interesting read there, least it answers a few things
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Stoddart warns of possible team action
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Troubled times in Formula One
The eyes and ears of the Formula One community will be focused on the events in Paris this Wednesday as the FIA World Motorsport Council meet to discuss the events of the US Grand Prix just over a week ago.
The seven Michelin-shod teams plus Michelin will appear in Paris charged with a whole host of offences that culminated with 14 runners peeling into the pits and not taking part in the Indianapolis race.
Speaking to BBC Radio Minardi boss Paul Stoddart warned that if the hearing results in draconian penalties, the teams would meet at Magny Cours, home of the French Grand Prix, and that it was not beyond the bounds of possibilities that the teams would boycott the race.
"Would we race after a penalty? I think we'd have a meeting and you wouldn't guarantee it," Stoddart said.
This is all for the future of course as it is not clear what penalties will be handed out. It could range from a warning, a simple fine to points deductions and possible suspended bans.
Stoddart points the finger of blame firmly at FIA President Max Mosley for the US Grand Prix shenanigans for not taking control of the situation and ensuring a compromise decision that would have allowed all 20 cars to race in some form or another.
The FIA has announced that Max Mosley will be holding a press conference on Wednesday afternoon after 3pm CET. It will be another busy week for Formula One and their legal teams.
Earl ALEXANDER
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This is a classic case of the vocal minority, since when did stoddart get elected spokesperson for the michelin teams, guy should shut up and concentrate on racing.
I really dont know ..... this should be the business between all michellin teams and the FIA, well... Poor Paul must have forgotten that he/his team was dumped by Michellin 2 years ago, but he for sure has kept the friendship with the french manufacturer. I wonder what Bridgestone is thinking now .... :DQuote:
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Tyres not flawed but insufficiently suited...
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The loading on the tyre was greater than
Michelin had anticipated
Michelin has completed its investigations concerning the tyres used at Indianapolis and has communicated the results of these investigations to its partner teams:
"The tyres were not intrinsically flawed, but were insufficiently suited to the extreme racing conditions encountered through Turn 13 of the Indianapolis circuit this year."
Given the evolutions concerning the cars' aerodynamics, the regulations which govern the sport and the nature of the track surfaces, etc., Michelin carries out testing in the course of each season with a view to developing the tyres which are the most suited to each event. Two key elements must be known about the Indianapolis circuit:
Turn 13, with its severe banking, is the only turn of its kind in a season of 19 races.
<LI>Testing at Indianapolis was not possible.
As a consequence, in order to define the specification of its tyres for Indianapolis, Michelin had to carry out simulation work based on the results of less severe testing at other venues and on estimations concerning the specific conditions likely to be met at Indianapolis in 2005.
The Michelin investigations have revealed that the loads exerted on the rear left tyre through Turn 13 at Indianapolis were far superior to the highest estimations of Michelin's engineers. This year, the situation through this corner turned out to be altered by the extreme combination of the speed, lateral acceleration and additional dynamic load. The tyres which Michelin took were therefore insufficiently adapted to the extreme conditions of Turn 13 in 2005. This was a problem.
On the other hand, investigations concerning the materials and construction employed for the tyres produced for Indianapolis have confirmed the absence of any anomaly. The tyres did not have an intrinsic flaw but they were not insufficiently suited to turn 13.
Moreover, this analysis confirmed the pertinence of the tyre solutions specified for all the other circuits.
In retrospect, this analysis perfectly validates the pertinence of the precautionary measures requested by Michelin and its partner teams in the interests of driver safety and fully confirms that the addition of a chicane at the entrance of Turn 13, which would have guaranteed lower speeds through Turn 13, would have enabled spectators not to be deprived of a high class competition, while at the same time guaranteeing the safety of the drivers.
As a consequence:
1. Based on these investigations, Michelin has revised its simulation model for 'banked' corners such as Turn 13 at Indianapolis in view of the special effects caused by this corner.
2. Michelin requests that it be possible in the future to undertake testing at Indianapolis before the Grand Prix.
3. Michelin confirms that it will be present with safe, competitive tyres at the forthcoming Grand Prix races.
In conclusion, Michelin Competition's Director Mr. Pierre Dupasquier declared: "The problem was that we under-evaluated the extreme constraints to which tyres were exposed through Turn 13 in the specific context of 2005. We are grateful to our partners for their work with us right up to the last moment to seek a solution that would have permitted the race to go ahead in total safety. We regret that the spectators did not see an exciting race. However, in keeping with its principles, Michelin did not sacrifice safety for performance."
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Michelin
I hope Michelin don't race till Max and Bernie leave!
I think they have understand, that is they don't race Bernie and Max aren't in charge!
Paul is looking for media attention!
EDit:
Anyone seen the Honda-Channel 10 F1 commercial.
Promoting the French GP with time and that.
Good to see they are trying to promote F1
And Subaru using it's rallying a lot more lately. Good for motorsport.
Hehe, Stoddart is a nutter. What's he going on about now, boycotts? If I was in charge, I'd be very tempted to penalise Stoddart for bringing the sport into disrepute. Penalty, he has to be kept on a leash by Max Mosley... Max will take him on walkies and keep him fed but no interviews with the press.
Stoddart would do F1 a favour if he backed off a bit.
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(GMM) All is not well, or so it would seem, between Rubens Barrichello and his Ferrari team.
The Brazilian admitted he is having to 'put up with a lot of things' within the red camp.
An obviously frosty relationship has developed between Rubens and teammate Michael Schumacher after near clashes at Monaco and Indianapolis.
And, believed to be no longer willing to play second fiddle to the championship winning German, Barrichello is now linked with a switch next year to BAR.
''You know, I'm just a little Brazilian against a very big world.
''It's a very big fight.''
someone who would be a good number 2 for sure.......although there's not that many out there nowadays.
lol ... What points would BAR Honda lose?? This might be good for their championship to be honest lol :DQuote:
The seven teams - Williams, McLaren, Renault, Sauber, Toyota, BAR Honda and Red Bull - face losing constructors' world championship points or punitive fines, as well as charges of bringing the sport into disrepute.
ahahaha true true... maybe they'll have negative points?Quote:
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anyway Michelin have decided to pay the fans at Indi the cost of their tickets.. n have also offered to buy 20k tickets for next years gp to be given to spectators... good gesture me thinks...:thumbsup: ... still think FIA should be held partly responsible n should incure some of the costs...
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Company to purchase 20,000 tickets for fans...
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Michelin react to calls for compensation
On the eve of the FIA World Motor Sport Council meeting in Paris on Wednesday, Michelin has released the following press release.
"One week after the Indianapolis Grand Prix, Michelin wishes to make a sincere gesture of goodwill towards the people present at the GP, a group whose passion for F1 is encouraging in the development of this sport in the United States.
Therefore, on our own initiative and in total solidarity with our partners, we have taken two decisions:
<LI>1. Michelin has decided to contribute to the costs incurred by the spectators present at the circuit on Sunday June 19th 2005 by offering to refund their tickets. This is an important decision, since Michelin is not at all legally bound to do this.
Michelin deeply regrets that the public was deprived of an exciting race and therefore wishes to be the first, among the different groups involved in the Indianapolis race, to make a strong gesture towards the spectators.
<LI>2. Michelin also offers to buy 20,000 tickets for the 2006 U.S. Grand Prix to be given to spectators who were present at the Indianapolis race in 2005. We are offering this to promote further Formula 1 interest in the United States.
We would also like to take this opportunity to underline the fact that it is unacceptable that our partner teams have been accused by the FIA of having boycotted the Indianapolis Grand Prix. The reality is that together, Michelin and its partners have done everything possible to assure that the race could take place in total safety.
We are extremely disappointed that the proposals made with all our teams were not accepted. These proposals, including a chicane, were technically viable and totally met all safety requirements. On Sunday morning, June 19, the sporting authority had all the means necessary to preserve the interest of the race. And yet, the sporting authority rejected the proposed solutions. Why? In our view this is totally incomprehensible and reflects a lack of respect for the spectators.
It is the spirit of respect for the spectators that brought us, with our partners, to propose solutions to allow the race to take place in total safety. It is this same spirit that leads us today to make this gesture."
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Michelin
Michelin are smart, good on em for doing that
I actually thought Rubens would be gone in 2004.
If I was Ferrari I'd go after Klien or Wurz (main 2 that come in my mind now)
Edit: Or even heidfeld if he doesn't go to BMW
They've got an advantage coz they don't need to train a successor to michael, when the time comes they'll have pockets deep enough to buy a top level guy right off the bat.
fuk klien or wurz, get someone that actually has tallent and get raikkonen or someone like that or alonso when michael leaves, and money can buy anything so they could easily afford one or both of them. when michael leaves they will have plenty of extra money
lol good point, I've never thought about how much more money they'll have without him, savings time:thumbsup:
Wurz is fast as hell, just cant pass for shit. As long as ferrari can qualify him up the front he would be an excellent choice.
Where's the tipping thread for France? Need to put in my stupid tips so I can forget to change them and be stuck with having tipped a Minardi 1-2, Jordan 3-4. :P
But more seriously, gotta get my tips in, 'cos I've got stuff on this w/end. :thumbsup:
hey Vivski., sorry dude, I usually do it on Tuesday but I've been so busy!
Its up now mate
Cheers. I'll probably get time to adjust my tips on Sunday night, but wanted to get in early just in case.
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Ongoing discussions at
the French Grand Prix
Formula One could return to the United States at the end of the year in a bid to repair its tarnished image, said McLaren team principal Ron Dennis on Saturday.
The sport's aspirations of becoming popular in the country were hit hard after a chaotic race at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway in June that saw fourteen drivers boycott the event amid safety concerns.
Disgusted spectators pelted the remaining drivers from the three teams running Bridgestone tyres with missiles with many walking away from race demanding their money back.
McLaren's Dennis said here that discussions had taken place with an additional non-championship race in the United States a possibility.
"This would not be a free race, more a free of team costs race," said Dennis. "It would take place at the end of the year and would be up to Bernie and the promoters to decide.
"It would be logistically challenging but not a major problem. It is an offer from the teams and would supplement the offer of Michelin.
"We support anything that can repair the image of Formula One so that it can once again be a community. We are also looking to the future with the possibility of night races and more flexible starting times."
The race, which has been proposed to repair damaged relations between the sport and the American public, would take place at the end of October at the earliest with no details as to the level of participation from the teams' main drivers.
Asked if they would participate in the event, McLaren's Colombian driver Juan Pablo Montoya said: "Yes, I would take part if the team agreed to it."
Tyre manufacturer Michelin, whose mistake in bringing incorrect tyres to Indianapolis in June led to the controversy, agreed to reimburse the fans for the tickets purchased. They also indicated earlier this week that they would buy 20,000 tickets for the next United States Grand Prix.
Source AFP
I say cut the round at Indy and move them to the street course in Las Vagas.
Nice wide fast track, street circuits are always great.
Let the red neck tools of central usa have there Nascar.
Las Vagas would pull more of a international crowd and sponsors anyway.
Nah... Laguna Seca!! :p
Apprantly they can't have it there.
There was a list in some CCC (British Car magazine) back in 03 I think with tracks that the F1 calender can't go to.
Laguna was one and so was Bathurst.
I have no idea why either.
The dipper at Laguna and Bathurst would nail an F1 car anyway right? Not sure if you can jack it up super high but it'd do some damage I would think.
LMAO, F1 at Bathurst! I almost damaged my Civic there, I can only imagine what it would do to an F1 car. And it's no surprise they don't race at Laguna Seca. It's a fantastic track, one of my favourites, but the corkscrew (and the entry to the corkscrew) is way too dangerous for F1. But it would certainly be fun to watch F1s at both those tracks.
lol sure would rip them up! Bottom out a whole lot on Conrod Straight lol!!!
I knew it wasnt the dipper at Laguna, lol Corkscrew ofcourse!
Vivski - When I had my Prelude, I was hammering around Bathurst chasing this Ferrari, nearly hit in under brakes at Forest Elbow (I ran out of brakes:( )
Then Conrad came up and i was FLAT OUT, he was cruising (well above 60km/h) and the copper pulled me over :thumbdwn:
6 points and $800 later :D
I begged him not to take my licence, I won't say what speed I got caught doing because it was stupid!
Lol, you idiot. ;) Yes, it's so tempting to just boot it isn't it? I can see why there's a speed limit. I almost came to grief at Forest Elbow too!! I came down at about 80km/h in my 84 Civic hatch with 5 people in it... I was hard on the brakes, but it's so steep there and I was inches from the wall on the exit. Scary stuff.
Unlucky to get caught but you probably deserve it. :p Harsh fine! After all, the only person you're going to kill is yourself and whoever's stupid enough to get in the car with you. Haha.
First time I went hard at Bathurst I under estimated forest elbow.
I went in there in 3rd and understeered so bad that I had to pull the hand brake up and try and swing the back end out.
After that it was always a double shuffle into 2nd at high revvs so I could pull out of the corner and get a good start for Conrod Straight.
Heading up the mountain with a low torque car was crap :(
Haha, tell me about it! I had 4 passengers in my 66kW 20yo Civic. I almost didn't make it up! I couldn't believe how steep it was. The Dipper was crazy too, I was cruising up to it thinking cool, the Dipper... then I was thinking OH S#!T THE DIPPER! Got very light and almost lost it even going really slowly. I look at the Bathurst race differently now having driven the track. The rest is your usual race track stuff, but up in the forest is insane! It must be hell to get the setup right for that track.
You are 100% correct about looking at the race/track differently after driving the track.
The amount of knowledge the teams have of the track does help them.
The dipper the first timedoing 60km/h in the Prelude was scary, I would love to have a go in a V8 supercar!
Guys, too much off topic discussion lately in this thread ... oh... bring back F1! :wave:
Id love to drive around bathurst one day, that would be great fun.
Im sure I would appreciate the mountain a lot more after seeing it first hand, and noticing how damn steep it actually is:D
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FIA / AMD F1 survey 2005
93,000 fans responded !
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94% want more overtaking
Formula One fans want more races, more teams, more overtaking and more emphasis on driver skill according to the findings of the FIA/AMD Formula One Survey 2005, the largest and most comprehensive analysis of public opinion ever undertaken in motor sport.
<LI>94% want more overtaking;
<LI>74% want more emphasis on driver skill;
<LI>69% want more teams;
<LI>84% want 18 or more races in a season.
Max Mosley, FIA President
“Fans from all over the world agree that the most important challenge to F1 in the next five years is to maintain competitive racing. Many want to place more emphasis on driver skill and less on driver aids. It is also clear that the majority of fans are unhappy with the current qualifying system.
“These and other views will be an invaluable addition to the consultation process on the future rules of Formula One, which began formally this week. For the first time, fans’ opinions will form an essential part of this process.”
Henri Richard, AMD Executive Vice President
"As an industry leading technology partner, AMD is proud to have put our customer-centric philosophy to work with the FIA to help connect Formula One fans around the world and help shape the future of Formula One racing through this unprecedented survey.”
“It’s encouraging to find that a majority of fans look forward to the technical innovations each season and most believe that technology developed in Formula One has improved the development and safety of road cars. We’re excited about the overwhelming success of this survey and look forward to working more closely with the FIA to continue improving one of the world’s great sports."
Survey
Independent research specialists TNS Sport analysed more than 93,000 completed surveys from fans in 180 countries worldwide. The majority of respondents have been following the sport for at least six years and many for more than ten. Almost all describe themselves as either very interested or extremely interested in Formula One.
The driver and technology
<LI>88% say showcasing the skills of the drivers is the most essential aspect of Formula One;
<LI>80% agree advanced technology sets F1 apart from other motor sports;
<LI>74% want more emphasis on driver skill and less on driver aids;
<LI>64% look forward to the technical innovations each season.
Only 15% of fans think Formula One incorporates the right balance of technology and driver skill. Almost two thirds think Formula One currently showcases the most advanced technology in motor sport but only a third believe it showcases the best drivers. In the next five years, almost three quarters of the fans want to see more emphasis placed on driver skill and less on driver aids.
Calendar
<LI>84% of fans want 18 or more races a season;
<LI>28% want 21 races or more;
<LI>69% said that the sport should travel to even more new countries.
With the 2005 season incorporating 19 races some of the current teams have argued for a shorter calendar. But that opinion is not shared amongst fans, 53% of whom strongly disagreed that there are too many races on the calendar. Most fans said new circuits had increased their interest in the championship. This was especially the case with younger fans rather than older fans.
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Monaco is the favourite circuit of the F1 fans
Circuits
The most popular circuits are Monaco and Spa with 55% and 53% of fans respectively saying their interest in Formula One would decrease if these circuits were removed from the Championship. Other circuits were voted for as follows: 49% Silverstone 25% Indianapolis43% Monza 24% Interlagos38% Suzuka 23% Barcelona35% Imola 20% Magny-Cours29% Montreal 18% Sepang27% Hockenheim 17% Hungaroring27% Nurburgring 15% Bahrain26% Melbourne 14% Shanghai 9% IstanbulApart from the three new circuits in Bahrain, Shanghai and Istanbul, which have had little or no time to gain favour, the least popular tracks were considered to be Magny-Cours, Sepang and Hungaroring.
Television coverage
<LI>99% of fans watch Formula One on TV;
<LI>76% will watch all 19 races;
<LI>68% watch all of the race coverage;
<LI>36% watch all of the qualifying coverage;
<LI>54% think television coverage has improved in the last five years.
With the increasingly international nature of Formula One, television has become the essential medium through which fans follow the sport. Japan is the most avid nation of viewers with 87% of fans intending to watch all 19 races this season. This compares with 79% in the UK, 68% in the US and 60% in Germany. Most fans agree that coverage has improved in the last five years. The vast majority of fans (95%) praised the increased use of onboard cameras. Many also commented on the increased quality of programme content, such as driver profiles, interviews and pit updates.
Over a fifth (22%) of fans believed that TV coverage had deteriorated. They blamed the lack of depth of coverage, the quality of the commentators and too much attention focused on the race leaders. Qualifying is not as big a draw as the race. Fewer fans watch it on television and a massive 70% would prefer qualifying to be decided by the best time from a specified number of flying laps.
Media and marketing
In the last 12 months:
<LI>95% of fans visited a dedicated Formula One website
<LI>89% read about Formula One in the newspaper
<LI>48% bought team merchandise
<LI>40% purchased a product or service of a sponsor
Most fans follow the sport via websites and newspapers. But just 55% were willing to buy a Formula One related publication.
Many show their support with team merchandise. This is especially the case in the US where 57% bought Formula One team merchandise in the last 12 months. In Germany just 38% bought team merchandise. A number of fans have bought sponsors’ products. Again, US fans were the most supportive, with 58 per cent buying the product or service of a sponsor in the last year. In the UK, just 34% did so.
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(GMM) How fast can a Formula One car go?
It's a question that'll be answered when BAR plonk a Brackley based contender on the Bonneville Salt Flats in Utah (US) some time in October.
Team CEO Nick Fry, who said around 250mph is the target, confirmed that the 007 will have a parachute installed at the rear, and run very low downforce.
''It's a Lucky Strike idea,'' he told Autoweek.
''At Monza, we do approximately 220. (At Bonneville) we think it should be able to exceed 250mph (413kmh).''
Fry said either Adam Carroll or James Rossiter, both junior drivers, would steer the car.
Bonneville is a 121 square-kilometre salt flat in north western Utah. The quickest land speed recorded there exceeded 600 miles per hour (1000kmh).
lol thatll be nuts!! Quiet a good idea for them to test how fast they actually can go, suprised it hasnt been done before(maybe has, I really dont no). Wouldnt the parachute affect a whole lot of aero and so forth??
Are the salt flats really smoothe and flat enough for an F1 with its low ride height and F1 tyres?
i think the world land speed record was held there... n thats lik 1000kmph+...
so it would HAVE to be flat if u plan on going those speeds...
"...Michael Schumacher would just blow him away..." lolz pretty strong words there from Eddie
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Not Jenson but Kimi claims Irvine
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Where next for Jenson Button?
The lead up to the British Grand Prix last Sunday was always going to be all about home-favourite Jenson Button and on cue the Daily Mirror newspaper reported that Jenson Button could be on his way to not Williams, but Ferrari.
The thinking behind the speculation is that Rubens Barrichello could be on his way from Ferrari at the end of the season despite his contract running to the end of the 2006 season. Jenson Button, looking for a new seat, could slot into Barrichello’s number two Ferrari role. Not according to former Schumacher team-mate Eddie Irvine.
“Any suggestion Jenson will go to Ferrari next season is laughable,” Irvine told The Sun newspaper earlier this week. "Michael Schumacher would just blow him away. And that would not be a great career move. Anyway, Ferrari are not interested in Jenson. The man they really have their eye on is McLaren's Kimi Raikkonen."
Certainly Ferrari boss Jean Todt has never his admiration for Raikkonen while McLaren Mercedes are more than keen to hold onto the services of the Finn.
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© CAPSIS International
Yes, but those cars are designed for the salt flats. F1s are designed for the racetrack. Well, I assume the tyres will handle it. Seems to me like a pretty abbrasive surface but what do I know. And I assume there wont be too much dust choking up the engine.
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Regenerative braking system the key for 2008
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Passing for position in recent races has been
confined to the starts and the pit stops.
Back in 1998, one team was developing a device to generate extra engine power from the heat produced during braking. Back then, the FIA vetoed the innovation. Now, however, the idea could be adopted to improve the spectacle in Formula One and enable more overtaking. FIA president Max Mosley is in favour of this, and so are the manufacturers.
Mosley suggests the introduction of regenerative braking systems, whereby heat generated under hard braking would be stored up in a battery to give the drivers an instant extra 60 horsepower for around five seconds, would improve the racing by enhancing overtaking opportunities. The drivers could use this increased power by pushing a 'boost button'. A similar system is already being used in the Champ Car World Series.
In Champ Car, the 'push to pass' or 'power to pass' system is controlled by increasing the turbo boost at the touch of a button for a maximum of 60-seconds during a race, taking and refining an idea first used by Formula Palmer Audi some years ago. The push to pass system has worked well in Champ Car for drivers both defending their position and trying to make a pass on the car in front.
Clearly overtaking is one of the issues that needs to be addressed in Formula One, after a survey carried out by the FIA revealed that more than 90 percent of race fans want to see more cars passing each other. The British Grand Prix last Sunday saw little passing save the start of the race off the line with drivers' all focusing on making 'passing' manoeuvres during the pits stops. Push to pass in Formula One along with massive changes to the aero-characteristics of the modern chassis are long overdue.
E.A.
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but how does it work? will there be a separate electric motor?
I hope it doesnt mean reintroduction of turbos....gotta think of another way to implement it
There is a mechanical genious on site at my work, and he is German.
He loves football (soccer) and F1.
He told me something interesting today, he said:
He was watching some German TV and they had a 5 series BMW new kind, and this years BMW F1 in Monaco aero.
Now the test was F1 car let go of accelerator and BMW car braked.
The F1 car stopped quicker with the Monaco aero and no brakes then the BMW car braked.
I'm not sure what the speeds where, but the F1 car was going over 150km/h that I can remember.
Interesting I think so!
Oh and Jenson will go to Williams or stay at BARHonda.
On a quick Side note, and this matters becuase both manufactures are in F1 ;)
Mercedes-Benz AMG introduces world's most powerful naturally aspirated V8
Stuttgart, Germany - Mercedes-Benz AMG division unveiled a new 6.3-litre V8 engine that is claimed to be the world's most powerful naturally aspirated eight-cylinder production engine. It combines high-revving performance with a large displacement. Developed entirely by AMG, it generates an output of 510 hp at 6800 rpm. Thanks to its large displacement, the V8 by AMG develops around 20 percent more torque than comparable naturally aspirated engines in this performance class.
Made completely from high-strength aluminum, this naturally aspirated V8 engine has features derived from motorsport. Together with a variable intake manifold featuring two integral throttle flaps, the vertical arrangement of the intake and exhaust ducts ensures perfect cylinder charging. Bucket tappets in the cylinder heads allow a stiff valve train and therefore high engine speeds. Variable camshaft adjustment, a particularly rigid closed-deck crankcase and cylinder walls with a new, revolutionary LDS coating are further attributes of this V8 engine.
The new AMG 6.3-litre V8 engine will soon be available in a new high-performance AMG car.
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In parallel with the road and racetrack trials in various test vehicles, the new AMG 6.3-litre V8 engine was subjected to rigorous tests on the ultra-modern dynamic test benches at AMG; these can accommodate engines with an output of more than 735 kW/1000 hp.
Oh and this because it makes me feel warm inside.
Layout: Mid-Engine/RWD
Transmission: 6-Speed Manual/Tiptronic
Engine Type: V8
Displacement: 4308 cc
Horsepower: 531 bhp @ 8500 rpm
Redline: 8500 rpm
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