New thread to discuss things in, should be a lot of talk with Monaco coming up tomorrow!
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New thread to discuss things in, should be a lot of talk with Monaco coming up tomorrow!
To kick start this thread.
You ready all?
From f1-live.com
Monaco could well host the final Sunday
qualifying session of the season
Formula One teams reached unanimous agreement at Monaco on Friday to change qualifying to a single session and hope to introduce the new system in time for next weekend's European Grand Prix. The team chiefs met here Friday to discuss a way to alter the current system, which sees the grid decided by aggregate times from two laps on Saturday and Sunday and has been unpopular with teams and the media.
The new system will see just one session run on Saturday afternoon, the traditional slot for qualifying, and the running order will be decided on the results of the previous race with the winner running last in the session.
The proposal has been put to the Formula One Commission and the World Council in a fax vote and the FIA said the results should be through in time to change for the next race at the Nurburgring.
"These people are all over the world and sometimes people don't answer immediately, so we have to wait until we have enough votes," said FIA President Max Mosley. "Now it is a question of whether we can get the World Council and the Formula One commission to agree. I hope (it is a formality) and I think so, and I am trying to get it done for the Nurburgring."
The current system has been continually criticised by the drivers and on Thursday, before the decision was made, world champion Michael Schumacher said: "I would prefer to go back to one qualifying session. I think that is reasonable but then it would be nice to stick with that qualifying for once. If we change it now hopefully we wont change it again and again."
The change is yet another in a long list of modifications to qualifying, which began with the introduction of one-lap qualifying two-and-a-half years ago after a switch from the traditional best of 12 laps in an hour solution. The single lap qualifying has always had two sessions and when initially introduced the first session, run on a Friday, simply decided the running order for the second session on the Saturday.
The two sessions were run consecutively on a Saturday last year and this year, another new system was introduced with the times from both sessions, now run on Saturday and Sunday, combined to decide the grid positions. Mosley admitted the latest solution was not ideal but insisted the format must stop changing.
"We shall have to see how it goes, but there are always going to be discussions. The thing is, there are lots of very good ideas but getting everyone to agree is tricky. The trouble is you get 10 teams and you have 15 opinions, but maybe something will come up. What a lot of people were talking about was taking the times from the final part of free practice on the Saturday morning and making that the order for qualifying."
"I quite like that, because they would be running empty tanks and they would be under pressure to go quick. But in the end we had to find something that everyone agreed to. It is very important to have qualifying on a Saturday because all the press want it but also it irritates the public not knowing who is on pole until the day of the race. If you follow a particular driver and you know he is going to be on pole then you maybe change your plans for Sunday. If he is at the back then you might go and do something completely different, so people need to know."
bout time :D
I like the two qualifying sessions. It adds some spice to it.
Maybe they could do 3 laps on the Saturday session and take the aggregate of the best 2 or something. Just something a little different.
In one lap, you only see each driver once. But in 12 laps, there are a lot of cars on the track and some drivers will suffer from traffic.
let ur voice be heard! lolz
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On the very future of Formula One
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Max Mosley wants input from race fans
At the beginning of 2005 the FIA initiated a consultation on the future of Formula One. A timetable for the consultation has since been published with an open invitation to all of the stakeholders to participate.
The FIA has always considered the fans of Formula One to be an essential part of this process. As a result, the FIA, backed by AMD, a global technology leader, is launching a new survey to gauge public opinion and to help shape the future of the sport.
“We have been saying for some time that Formula One fans should be consulted and involved in shaping the future of the sport," FIA President max Mosley stated. "I am delighted that with AMD’s support, we now have the opportunity to conduct this research for the first time. I very much look forward to the results and I would encourage everyone interested in Formula One to participate.”
The FIA/AMD Formula One Survey 2005 can be accessed via www.fia.com and will be online from Saturday, May 21
My vioce to be heard?
Bring back slicks
Let more aero be allowed
Don't go to V8's
Main three I would say.
the title of your second post Jase was a God send! booya! hope it is indeed.
My three would be,
1. dont go to V8's
2. bring back last years tyre regulations
3. Unlimited Aero!
in that order. My main is the old tyre regulations, when strategy played a huge roll in the race
Firstly, Go to a control Tyre, Limit budget spending, reduce aero grip, and increase mechanical grip.
The control tyre really will reduce the cost of testing etc, this gives a fairer change to the playing field. Budget spending, I know i know, why limit if they got the funds etc, well, its in all other forms of sport in terms of salary caps etc etc, why not make it a level playing field. The mechanical grip issue is a problem, but aero grip makes it very hard for overtaking, so for real overtaking mechanical grip is the only real solution.
I think the tyre thing is probably the biggest thing alot of people want back....the strategy just allowed a different dimension to the racing.
Old aero rules
and no V8s!!! - they are for crappy aussie bogan races
Do bogan V8's rev to 20k? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Jus-10
Id like to see tyres back the most
HAHA..true Kawasaki...I was taking a VERY high-level analysis!
Next thing you know, Max is going to turn them in to electric powered cars, or running on hydrogen or some crap like that.
i can so see that happening in the next 10 years or so...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jus-10
technicolour dream coats and flower power! F1 2020
Why do you want unlimited aero? What would be the point of that? There are some huge benefits of reducing aero.
- more overtaking
- more sliding
- more skill
- less speed = safer
- makes them focus on better mechanical grip (as Andy said) which could actually improve OUR cars in the future. Focussing on getting the grip in the suspension, tyres, diffs... that technology will help our cars.
less speed = boring!
Everyone knows that the drivers are potentially putting their lives on the line every time they go out, but in all seriousness, is lopping a few seconds a lap off the times of the cars really going to make them that much safer? We're talking the difference between say 320kmh and say 305kmh down a straight....you're still gonna be f*cked up at that pace if you lose it.
I am all for making sure there is a decent element of driver skill involved in the driving as this quickly sorts out the champions from the wannabes.
I think the current setup of rules is relative good if only they would fix the tyre changing and the qualifying....I think the effectiveness of the changes is evident in the sheer diversity and excitement we have seen so far this season.
I think Max gets bored and likes changing things for the sake of it.
yes, less speed = bad. More speed = More overtaking....think about it lol.;)
Well, with less downforce, they might even be faster down the straights! (depending on the circuit)
It's more a case of 150km/h in a corner where they'd normally be able to go 180km/h. They're still on the limit though.
I would argue that it's far from boring! Still bloody fast, much more sliding and much closer racing. It's far from being safe but it is slightly safer.
It is a minor factor, but a factor all the same, so I put it on the list.
More speed = more overtaking? How do you figure that?
I'm going on the impression some make more speed and others:D
Lol, well it's a bit hard to go past someone when you're going slower than them. :p
the thing is, even if ur much faster with aero downforce grip rather than mechanical grip, once u reach that zone where u get into the front cars dirty air, the aero downforce doesnt give its full effect, ie once u hit the dirty air its hard to control ur car. Therefore to overtake is really really difficult, u can see this when even the car behind is almost 2 seconds faster (thats alot on the track), that they cant overtake
Your all forgetting, that if the track is new and suits F1 cars like Bahrain, Turkey etc they can be fast and overtake.
Its just the old tracks don't allow it.
good point, good point. And yeah martin and james often talking about how the aero becomes terrible becuase your driving through turbulent air
Basically, the car behind goes faster on the straight because it's pushing less air. But if you're behind in the corners... less downforce, less grip, have to go slower. But if you reduce the downforce then it becomes less of a problem.
So you enter the corners right on the tail of the slower car infront, but you have to go slower through the corners so when you hit the straight, they're already going a lot faster.
I get frustrated when someone who is obviously faster gets stuck behind someone for 10 laps. The leader tears away never to be seen again and the race is over before it began. You see these freight trains of faster cars caught behind a slug Toyota. We see it time and time again. It leads to incidents and spectacular desperation, but it's not good racing.
This is just my opinion, obviously you're free to have your own. But I'd much prefer to sacrifice a bit of the downforce, a bit of the speed for closer, more competetive racing with more exciting overtaking. It wouldn't make it like Supercars, 'cos there's still a crapload of brilliant engineering in the cars.
yeah, i agree, they need to increase mechanical grip and decrease the aero a bit, although i want them to retain the look of the current cars..... Bring back tyre changes, its cool seeing someone chose softs and have to do three stops but be flat out for those stints., but keep the golden lap qualifying format, i.e. one sessions, one lap, i reckon its a great spectacle....
i always thought it was terrible that they couldn't find a way to police the traction control ban, was great to see them actually have to control the throttle onto out of corners and off the line, rather than just mash it to the floor now and let the computer sort out how much is actually required......
i don't mind switching to V8s, it'll only be a year or so before they are back at the same speeds, I just want them to settle on one format and stick to it, so they can actually start saving costs!
The problem with putting skill back in the launch is if someone stuff it up and stalls, you have the potential for a big accident. It still happens even with launch control, but it's something which should be minimised as much as possible.
One solution would be a rolling start. But that takes away from the spectacle too.
At least this way it rewards good engineering. And the way those Renaults get off the line is something special.
For me the best thing about this year championship is there is no domination by one team, every team almost has an equal shot at a round win.
as long as your a renault or a mclaren :D nah, i think the season is only going to get closer as ferrari, BAR and Williams get their cars together and catch up with the renaults and mclarens....Quote:
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also, i think we have as many electronic launch malfunctions as we used to have drivers stalling, i liked how the start was an important skill of the driver.
I think Renault have hit a rock, and the pace of the Ferrari AGAIN when they are fueled up is amazing.
If they can get a few things right it would be great racing, Michael, Kimi and Alonso.
The biggest thing that has annoyed me this year is the luck of 2 drivers.
1/ Michael
2/ Juan
Poor Juan, he hurts himself and misses out on valueable points, and then hit with penaulties and whatever else can get in his way.
If his luck changes he can win races, he is just as quick as young Kimi.
I'd be happy if they change the tyre rule and put less aero.
As long as that damm tyre rule changes.
You ferrari guys are suffering on the tyre rule. bwahahaha.
good point about the launching viv, could cause some dramas again, even though it still hapens.
It will be good once Ferrari, BMW, and Mclaren(sorta) find their feet because it like said, each round is still easily up for grabs. BAR too lol.
True about unlucky Michael and Juan, he should play less tennis and stick to his bike more often:p
Everyone's had their share of bad luck so far this season except Alonso. It's been clean sailing for him. Even when things go bad, he scores 4th.
The Williams drivers have driven really well but the car has sucked in races.
The BAR drivers can't take a trick, it was meant to be Button's year!
Toyota hasn't really had the speed so far.
The Ferrari has been a horror for Michael and Rubens.
Juan has paid for his mistakes.
Kimi... well, he's just Kimi... bad luck follows him wherever he goes.
And Fisi has had as many problems as anyone... engine, clutch, etc.
The only person who's escaped is Fernando Alonso. Sun shines out of his arse this season. He'd better make the most of it.
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Originally Posted by Vivski
thats cos MS and ferrari arent winning ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by jackosimm
Taking bets... who wants to put money on the BARs blowing engines at the Nurburgring? :p
if it was the old track they wouldnt even be able to put 1 lap in:p
I don't think any of the cars could make one lap, can't imagine them handling the Carousel without broken suspension haha :D .Quote:
Originally Posted by jackosimm
I agree with them being likely to blow up in practice/qualifying, and then take the 10 place penalty (is that right?).
I agree with everything. Except I have no sympathy for Michael. It's about time he had a horror season. God knows he has had good luck in the past. How he handles it will be the mark of how good a driver he is. Poor Rubes but, that dude is never gonna get his fifteen minutes, not for want of talent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vivski
AND NURBURGRING!!!! YEAH!!
Its one of my life goals to drive around there, all 147 corners. :) Should be good!
A mate of mine has done it. You can imagine how jealous I am.Quote:
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bastard....closest i can come is GT4.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vivski
i think ferrari might have a chance for a win this weekend, either that or kimi... (Go kimi gOOOO)!!!
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:thumbsup: :wave: :D
Schuey and Ferrari make their own luck, respect it! Goal of mine too to drive ye ol circuitQuote:
Originally Posted by nEUROtic
We should do an OzHonda cruise to the Nurburgring and drive Nordschleife (the old track)! :thumbsup: :d
Ok well far be it for me to have sympathy for sch. So **** him. He has done shit. He hasn't has bad luck he just is shit. LOL. Hardly.Quote:
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At your expense and Im there!:pQuote:
Originally Posted by Vivski
I have sympathy for anyone that has problems, a good race is one where its one by racing not mechanical failures, therefore its better for everyone to have good mechanical luck. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by nEUROtic
hahaha, ozhonda might need a few more donations for air tickets plus freight for at least 10 cars....
We'll steal the Spirit of Tasmania, turbocharge it, put some stickaz on. Then load on our cars and we'll be in Germany in no time!
GT wing on the back.
Sounds good to me... here is my artistic design of this event (I was bored :D )Quote:
Originally Posted by Vivski
Go Honda-san!
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LMAO! Classic!
Bwahahahah! That Is Pure Golden!
You know in Italy, there is a boat that I am guessing is made by the same cmpany that makes the Spirit of Tasmania (it looks identical) and it is called "Super Fast"
No joke...down the side, instead of "Spirit of Tasmania" it has "Super Fast"...I think that boat is more appropriate....
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HAHAHAAHA That is absoloute gold! lol funny stuff lol great pic, love the affect:thumbsup:
Hey Vivski, how many weeks with same gaskets and all that are they going to be running?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vivski
I think 1 engine will go bang in qualifying and the other in the race.
Also, anywon noticed Minardi performance lately?
Getting quicker and quicker, smashed Jordan last 2 GP's.
Also, Eddie Irvine wants to buy jordan and race again.
Go Irvine!
ITS SCHUMACHER TIME AGAIN BITCHES, SO STOP CRYING AND START BOWING.Quote:
This weekend's European GP will be the first race where a new qualifying system comes into force and although all the team bosses agreed to the change some drivers aren't too sure about it.
The FIA confirmed earlier this week that Sunday qualifying would be scrapped with immediate effect, leaving only the Saturday afternoon session. That will remain an hour-long flying lap shoot-out with the quickest driver starting the grand prix from pole position.
The only change to the Saturday qualifying is that instead of the drivers running with just enough fuel to complete their three laps, they will have to carry the fuel load that they'll start the race with.
"From a competitive point of view, I think we may be penalised slightly with this system," Renault driver Giancarlo Fisichella said.
"The other system favoured the teams that had a strong car and were able to show its performance in both sessions - we have a good car with the R25, so the two-part format definitely helped us in the opening races."
But the 2005 Australian GP pole position holder added: "Overall I do not have any problems with the change - it is very similar to how we did qualifying last year, so it is not a step into the unknown for anybody."
However, Fernando Alonso doesn't seem to be as comfortable with the change as his team-mate is as he's concerned it will impose a hefty penalty on any driver who fails to finish the previous race.
"I think there are pros and cons to the new system," said the Spaniard, who has started two of this year's six races from pole position and two more from P2 on the grid.
"It is good to know the qualifying positions from Saturday onwards, so that is definitely an improvement. But on the other hand, we have to rely on the previous race position for our starting slot - which means you will be punished for a bad result with an early qualifying position at the next race."
"Having said that, it just means you need to be consistent in your race performances - which is what we aim for anyway."
The Drivers' Championship leader concluded: "The main point is that the system is the same for everybody, so as long as it is fair, I am happy."
LORD SCHUMACHER, WHY OH WHY DID WE DOUBT/BAGG YOU!
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Bout time the changed the rules for qualifying, although it still is not as good as they had when they were doing 12 Laps.
The problem with the new system is that they basically have to fire the cars up after a night of rest and race without a proper warm up. There are a heap of problems with the new system though...
Qualifying will now be basically in order of how much fuel the drivers take on.
Instead of running qualifying on Sunday and changing the setup to match the conditions, they will have to guess (if they can touch the setup at all before the race... not sure about that). The track temperature could be radically different between Sat qual and Sun race.
Anything I've missed?
I do like the fact that we now know who will be on pole on the Sat night. But to be honest, that never really bothered me anyway.
Your right Vivski, and if Ferrari run around for the the qualifying laps and hope the Bridgestones are on, we all know there cars with fuel and good tyres are incredible.
So could it be a good starting point for Ferrari to come back?
I don't mind this system, but i didn't mind the two session system either, as far as i can see its basically the same as last year which worked fine. From what i understood, you can adjust the set-up if the conditions change from like wet to dry or vice versa, but apart from that, nothing.
As alonso said, in the end, it doesn't really matter as long as its an even playing field.
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Racing Imola engines could pose a problem
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BAR Honda get back to work at Nurburgring
When BAR Honda were stripped of their points paying positions at the San Marino Grand Prix and forced to miss the Spanish and Monaco Grand Prix, the team looked forward to Nurburgring and the latest engines from Honda to try and make a big impact on their return to the sport.
The team are however to use the same V10 Honda powerplants that were used at the San Marino Grand Prix as the rules state that engines must be used for two consecutive races. BAR Honda believe that they are entitled to fresh Honda engines as they did not race in either of the last two events, while the FIA take the stance that it is in fact two consecutive races for the team.
As it stands, BAR Honda will practice, qualify and race with the same engines that powered them to the points back at Imola. Honda has concerns that after five weeks sitting in storage, the engines will be compromised and perhaps not as reliable as an engine juts a week or two old.
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imo they should just put in the new engine...
so be it if they go down 10 spots.. better than risking blown engines half way thru the race..
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I dunno, I reckon you might be speaking a little too soon. The 2 session system (which personally I didn't mind) gave everyone a lap on vapor. That would be where everyone has a fair chance. I dont remember him doing real well at it to be honest.
Just have to see I think...
go kimi !!!!! ha ha
I concur
yea well take down lud02c and jacko
Making them use the same engines is hardly fair. Give 'em a break, they've done their time. Should be able to come out a fresh. That's my biased opinion anyway. ;)
Anyone else think that picture of Schumy looks like a kid in a Ferrari jacket with Michael's head photochopped onto it?
Great news for Webber and Heidfeld... the BMW-Williams seems to have the speed in Germany!! They're quicker than the Ferrari and up with the McLarens in first practice. The BARs stayed in the shed.
Just fired up the Live Timing and WHAT??!!? Registration for live timing!?! But luckily no charge, just free registration.
No way I think they should have to pay a 14,000 Australian Dollar fine as well.Quote:
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Hahah yeah. Your days are numbered guys. I'm catching you all in the tipping competition too!Quote:
Originally Posted by civ_sik
New F1 mag has a little bit about how jean todt has an eye on raikkonen as michaels successor. Man would I be torn!!
man this is stupid just let honda use the new engines, talk about ruining the sport, blown engines dont make for good races
HAHAH you sadistic prick....should the BAR squad spend 20 years in a bali prison too?Quote:
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Bows to ye Master!
Havent bought F1 mag for so long, its quiet bad of me lol:thumbdwn: I wouldnt like Kimi comin over to Ferrari much, not a huge fan of his, I still like him and daym he can drive, but Im just not a fan lolQuote:
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show some respect jacko!!! lol now i know why your car is so red lol
I dont want him at ferrari either :P
I don't want him in a Ferrari. No way, Kimi's way too cool for Ferrari.
Webber's a better Schumacher replacement. Calculated and focussed.
Speaking of Kimi Raikkonen. This is an article from Formula1.com
Away from the cameras and press conferences, Kimi seems far more articulate.
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Q: So how was the Monaco victory - how did it feel to run away with the trophy?
Kimi Raikkonen: Believe me, it felt mighty good. Winning a race is always special - when you know that you and the team have got it right - but winning Monaco is another dimension. A victory there seems to be bigger, more important and more satisfying because this race track immediately turns on you if you make mistakes, so to win there means that you did a better job than the other 19 guys.
Q: It was your second victory this year, just two weeks after Barcelona. Did you already feel ‘warmed-up’ for another podium?
KR: Barcelona was a bit of a surprise, but there we learned that we are on the winning street again. That the next strike would be Monaco was a just reward for the hardships we had been facing in 2004.
Q: McLaren boss Ron Dennis even went as far as to compare you with six-time Monaco winner Ayrton Senna. How did you feel about that?
KR: I don’t think in such terms. Those were different times with a different type of driver, so any comparison in the end is only a verbal game without any basis.
Q: Recently, many pundits have labelled you the second best driver on the grid after Michael Schumacher. What do you make of such comparisons?
KR: I should probably stop racing if I thought about myself as being second best.
Q: So far, this year’s title looks like being a straight fight between you and Fernando Alonso - do you see anyone else potentially challenging the two of you?
KR: Sure both of us seem the obvious bets. But in reality it is much too early to pick out a definite ‘would be champion’. I think that Ferrari will come back heavy into the race again - it is never clever to underestimate them. Ask me this question after six more races - probably then I will have a more definite guess.
Q: Much was written about potential friction between you and Juan Pablo Montoya as team mates. How are communications between the two of you? And does having a team mate of such obvious ability boost your motivation?
KR: It was always Ron’s policy to have two drivers in the team with the capability to win so it is no big deal for me to have Juan Pablo as team mate. And it surely did not influence my motivation - not for the better and sure not for the worse. It would be very questionable if a team mate would influence the motivation of a driver because it would mean that he is not giving his best all the time.
Q: And how about friendships in the paddock? Are there people you would call friends?
KR: I get along with everybody, but fact is, that my real friends are outside Formula One – normal people with normal jobs. It feels good to dive into the real world once in a while so I am anxious to keep them.
Q: There has been media speculation about a new dream team: you and Fernando racing for Ferrari. Are you also dreaming in this direction?
KR: It is obsolete to speculate about the future. I am happy where I am and concentrating on a successful season. We are living in times of changes in Formula One that nobody can predict how it will be in the next couple of years. Who can say that Formula One will be running with the same teams in five years.
Well THAT stuffs up the championship!!
1. 59 - Fernando Alonso
2. 27 - Kimi Räikkönen
2= 27 - Jarno Trulli
4. 25 - Nick Heidfeld
5. 18 - Mark Webber
6. 17 - Giancarlo Fisichella
6= 17 - Ralf Schumacher
8. 16 - Michael Schumacher
8= 16 - Juan Pablo Montoya
10. 15 - Rubens Barrichello
10= 15 - David Coulthard
Now he's two full races ahead. Instead of Kimi being one race away. Although it is a good fight for second, I hope someone can challenge Alonso by the end of the year. Somewhere his luck has to change.
ah christ this is a weird championship, Renault definetly have the upper hand i believe